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By islander
October 30, 2021 12:23 pm
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Another good article for those who 'really" want to know what's going on with regard to the investigation of Trump's role in 1/6.

Sensationalized news stories and memes just don't cut it for those of us who want to get at the truth.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on October 30, 2021 2:27 pm
    I read Teri Kanefield's entire blog post. Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I think Trump will get his just desserts.

    One way to punish is Trump is financially through natural consequences.
    According to Canada's Globe and Mail and Reuters, "Trumpís real-estate business pays the price for poisonous politics". See link. "Revenues from some of his high-end properties have declined, vacancies in office buildings have increased and his lenders are warning that the companyís revenues may not be sufficient to cover his debt payments, according to Trumpís financial disclosures..."

    Another way to punish Trump is through lawsuits. The most litigious person ever to occupy the White House and most other houses is Donald Trump. He is richly deserving of being nickeled and dimed with court costs and legal expenses.

    Together, these two methods of punishment may not provide the satisfying image of Trump in an orange jumpsuit but it will be a painful financial loss and he'll be labeled a loser.

    Not that will dissuade his cultists, but Trump will certainly go down as one of the worst presidents ever and one of the worst threats to democracy ever. Being labeled a failure by historians surely must be a rung to be avoided on Maslow's hierarchy of needs for people at Trump's level and especially for such an insecure person as Trump.



    theglobeandmail.com


  2. by HatetheSwamp on October 31, 2021 4:53 am

    I read about half and skimmed much of the rest.

    As you know, I hate Trump. I think he's despicable. I think that he's capable of the evil that you 1/6 conspiracy theory people believe in...

    ...but the blog and Curt's answer have too much a feel of TDS than reality.

    I think you all would be best served to take a chill pill about this January 6 thing. A minute fraction of the people who attended the Trump rally participated. It was truly a mostly peaceful protest.

    In the end, Joe was elected.

    While I agree that Trump's evil enough to do what you're imagining, I think it's far more likely that he'll be elected in 024 than he'll be even indicted for January 6.


  3. by islander on October 31, 2021 2:47 pm

    1/6 was the culmination of one of the ugliest presidencies in memory and the first time since the Civil War that we did not have a peaceful transition of power. The former president has still not acknowledged or conceded that he lost the election. 

What I hope is that all those responsible will be held accountable for their part in this disgraceful chapter in our history. I agree that Trump, whether he is ever indicted or not, will go down in history as a disgraced president. I think though, that before this is over criminal charges will be brought against him as they should. I also donít think there is a chance in hell that he could ever be elected again in 2024.

    If there is anything good that might come out of this awful Trump experience, I think it might be that the when the American people finally shake the cobwebs out of their heads and look back they will realize how fragile our Democracy is and how easily we could lose it, and thatís something I think most of us never really thought was possible here in our own country. 1


  4. by HatetheSwamp on October 31, 2021 3:30 pm

    isle,

    In your post I'm seeing a lot of wishing and hoping, and a boatload of TDS.

    Still time will tell.


  5. by Donna on October 31, 2021 3:53 pm
    You don't think there's a chance in hell that Trump could get re-elected in 2024? OMG, after seeing him pull off "the impossible"
    in 2016? (Which btw didn't surprise me; in Sept 2015, I predicted that Trump would win the nomination) That's the mistake too many Democratic voters made and continue to make. It's only because of a couple Republicans that we didn't have a constitutional crisis after the 2020 election. We have states like Georgia and Arizona where Biden won but the government is controlled by Republicans who rewrote the laws to make it harder for people who usually vote Democrat to vote, and to overturn the results of the election without having to provide proof of election fraud. It doesn't get much more alarming than that. Our democracy is hanging by a thread. You shouldn't be surprised if we lose it.




  6. by islander on October 31, 2021 5:10 pm

    Donna,
    

I think whatís now called the Republican Party is going to self destruct just as Donald Trump did. Authoritarian leaders and their henchmen always end their days in that way due to the way they have to maintain their power. There is no true loyalty among them. Look back at past and recent history. Teflon Donís armor which we were all beginning to think was impenetrable was shattered in 2020. Will Cheney and Kinzinger challenge the Trump Tea Party Republicans and form a new branch of the Republican Party that holds more to the more honorable ideals of former Republican Party and challenge the Trumpists? Who knows? But I donít think itís something that is out of the question.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on October 31, 2021 5:13 pm

    I do think Trump could be elected in 024. He received 75,000,000 votes in 020. Considering the way Joe's making a mess of governing, I can't imagine a Dem getting more than that in 024, even through cheating.


  8. by islander on November 1, 2021 8:02 am

    You are imagining that all those who voted for Trump will still be voting for him (if he were to run)in 2024 and many Democrats will join them. Trump couldn't get enough votes to win in 2020 and he'll have even fewer Republicans supporting him in the next election. You are dead wrong if you are counting on Democrats to support him in 2024.

    Trump destroyed himself and he showed his true colors to many who couldn't see it before when he refused to allow the peaceful transition of power after the election. That peaceful transition is the cornerstone of a democracy. Sure, there are a small core of his supporters who would vote for him no matter what he did. But the wiser upper echelon of the Republican party are now beginning to distance themselves from Trump and many of the Republican voters are just plain tired of him and and don't want to have to go through another four years of him like the last four.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on November 1, 2021 8:25 am

    isle,

    I'm imagining that Trump will hold on to his core, highly committed base. Next time there's a Trump rally, watch just ten minutes of the coverage about two to three hours before Trump's scheduled speech. What you see will give you nightmares.

    Between the enthusiasm they had from 015 on and the certainty that the smoke filled room handlers of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" swiped the election, these people...and, there are many, Trump starts out with millions of votes in the bank.

    As far as non MAGA GOPs, they're so pi$$ed already at the Afghanistan fiasco, the border debacle, the decline of the economy, etc., I'm convinced that they'll be motivated to vote for anyone the GOP nominates.

    About the Dems: None of them will vote for Trump. You're right about that.

    The Dem candidate will have two major disadvantages, I see it. One is a lack of motivation as a result of four years of unpopular Biden/Harris leadership. The other is that the new election laws that GOPs are passing will close windows on vote manipulation.

    And, then...check out declining Dem support among Independents. Oy effin vey!

    In my opinion, it would be an achievement for any Dem to win in 024, perhaps the greatest electoral achievement in American history.


  10. by Donna on November 1, 2021 8:50 am
    islander: IMO it's a huge mistake to be writing Trump's and the Republican Party's epitaph.

    Just got this from Alan Grayson (former Dem, US House, FL):

    "Ten out of the last 12 national polls show that in a Biden-Trump rematch, Biden would not win the popular vote by enough to defeat Trump in the Electoral College. Ah, the Electoral College Ė that wretched itch that never gets scratched. That would be the third time since 2000 that the Electoral College has overruled the popular vote. Stop the Steal, indeed.

    The same polls also show Kamala Harris losing to Trump by around five points, which would be the worst loss for a Democratic Presidential candidate since 1988.

    And in Virginia, a state that Biden won by ten points, the Democrat and the Republican nominees for governor are neck-and-neck in Tuesdayís election."


  11. by HatetheSwamp on November 1, 2021 9:22 am

    Interesting, Donna.

    I can't imagine Biden being able to withstand the rigors of a reelection campaign. He'll be older and more frail physically, not to mention how much less able he'll be cognitively, even if he's not suffering from dementia.

    In 024, he'll not be able to hide out in his basement and run an Anyone But Trump campaign. And, considering his rapidly declining approval ratings only nine plus months into his term, a reelection campaign would be extremely difficult.

    So, who'll be the Dem candidate? Kamala will have to defend the Biden record...and her even lower popularity than Joe's.

    Who, among young progressives, might survive Dem primaries? I'd love your speculation.


  12. by Donna on November 1, 2021 11:58 am
    I'm pretty sure that Biden said a long time ago that he doesn't plan to run in 2024.

    Kamala is a disaster. She would easily get beat by Trump. I don't see any great prospects among the Dems.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on November 1, 2021 12:07 pm

    In politics, these three years are time enough. Remember how Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere.

    But, I think, this time, if a Dem wins, it will be someone not associated closely with the Swamp. Someone young and charismatic, without baggage.

    I was a Dem for decades for many reasons but one of the contributing reasons is that they had meaningful primaries. I think that the Dems will have a meaningful Presidential campaign...and that the forces that secured the nomination for that old, tired man will not prevail.


  14. by islander on November 1, 2021 1:31 pm

    Donna, I personally donít put much faith in those kinds of polls, especially this early (3 years away), in fact itís only in the last week or two of the campaign that the polls might make me start genuinely worryingÖor start feeling more confident.

    Weíre just beginning to see the results of the ongoing DOJ criminal investigations into Trump and his cohorts, so itís much to early to speculate whether Trump will win in 2024 or if he will even be able to run. My guess is thereíll be someone else representing the Republican party in that election and the only way they will be able to win that election is by voter manipulation such that can guarantee their win without the support of the majority of American people or voters. Thatís why, in my opinion the Democrats, as much as we all need this economic package, should be pushing the voting rights bill even more! The rest can be passed in the coming years.





  15. by HatetheSwamp on November 1, 2021 1:49 pm

    isle,

    I agree that it's waaaaaaaaaaaay too early to be thinking in concrete terms about how the 024 presidential campaign will go.

    I was trying to demonstrate that Trump may win.

    If anyone in the last generation has had a Teflon quality among their supporters, Trump's your man.

    If anything, supporters are more committed than ever.

    As fervently as your dreaming of Trump's vulnerability to legal or criminal challenges, remember how slimy he is. He's dodged two impeachment insurrections and is more popular with his people than ever and he seems devious enough to have created plausible deniability.

    My sense of the former 18 wheeler driver is that he's incompetent and truly overmatched by the challenges of the Executive Branch. With majorities in both houses of Congress, all he's signed of significance has been Executive Orders.

    But, please. Keep a good thought.


  16. by islander on November 2, 2021 4:05 am

    Ē If anything, supporters are more committed than ever.Ē ---Hate

    I suppose thatís why they are now starting to distance themselves from him and why so many of his former supporters are ashamed of their poor judgment in supporting him in the first place.

    Of course, there'll always be those "Trump no matter what" voters!

    media.newyorker.com


  17. by HatetheSwamp on November 2, 2021 6:18 am

    Just watch ten minutes of a Trump rally about two hours before Trump is scheduled to speak. It's easy on YouTube. RSBN gives a vivid picture of what's going on.

    In 024, I imagine a lot of people will be exactly like good ol pb. They'll hope anyone but Trump wins the GOP primary and they'll vote against him if they are GOPs. But, Trump, likely, will be nominated.

    But, when the choice is between Trump and a woke Dem, they'll vote for Trump.

    So will a great majority of Indys.


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