I have begun to actually hate Joe Biden.

By Ponderer

April 4, 2024 9:47 am

Category: President

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Pretty much no one likes every single thing that a politician they have voted for ever does once they get into office. I suppose that many Trump voters back in '16 may have felt that way about him throughout his term. They certainly condoned and defended every single thing that he did while in office and did their damnedest to keep him from having to pay for any of it. But for the most part, it is normally to be expected that a politician who you vote for isn't going to make you happy 100% of the time. I understand this and did when I voted for Biden in 2020. Trump had to be stopped.

I never really liked Biden all that much. I had really hoped for a much better Democratic candidate than him, last time and this time. And of course there are several things that he has done and not done that piss me off a lot. But I have to say that he has actually done a much better job on the whole than I expected him to. The economy is tracking in the right direction. Crime is down, wages and employment are up in record ways. Unions are increasing. He worked out a very effective bipartisan plan to deal with the border that the Trump Party crushed. He's right on the nose with Ukraine.

But his handling of Israel in this Gaza/Hamas war has left me unable to defend his actions any longer.

Sure, it's easy to say that he's backed into an impossible corner. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. But continuing to send Israel weapons to use on innocent Gazans in the face of the genocide that Israel has seemingly pulled all the stops out to commit is simply inexcusable.

When I heard the other day that we are sending Israel eighteen hundred 2,000-pound bombs, that was it. I lost it. Bombs that take out entire city blocks. Bombs that level entire communities. Bombs that kill dozens at a time and have no other purpose. The fact that he is going through with such a transaction knowing full well what Netanyahu intends to do with them absolutely shocks and disgusts me. It is a despicable thing that he is doing, and has been doing, and I completely and totally disagree and detest what he is doing.

So that in itself is worthy of my hatred towards him. But what I also hate him for is that even with his despicable facilitation of Netanyahu's genocide against innocent Gazans that I hate him for... I still have to vote for him, God damn it.

Talk about being backed into a corner! The person who I have to vote for in order to do what I can to save our democracy and our constitutional system of government... to save our very country from the demented whims of a megalomaniacal, white supremacist, criminal, immoral, psychopathic mob boss... is someone who is facilitating a genocide.

Whatever anyone's issues are with Biden, doing whatever is in our power to stop this country from being turned into Russia on crack should be the number one goal of any voting American citizen I would think. It has certainly become mine. All the other issues can be addressed once that has been accomplished in this election. But we will never be able to address any issues if we don't at least do that and stop Trump from a lifetime term as Dictator first.

Whatever I have come to hate Biden for, whatever despicable things he does, I know he will at least protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic as he swore an oath to do. That oath is something that we all watched Trump blatantly wipe his ass with throughout his entire term and since. And we are witnessing the rest of the Trump Party falling in line to wipe their asses with it too. The Constitution has become an inconvenient barrier to them. Democracy and the will of the people have proven to be their enemy and of no help to them at all, So it must all be destroyed. How any American could shirk their duty as Americans to allow it to happen flabbergasts me.

So I absolutely hate Biden for making me have to vote for someone who facilitates genocide in order to do my part to stop this country from being destroyed. I hate him for putting me in this position between a very large rock and an extremely hard place. But I will still have to vote for him.

My vote for him does not condone or support what he is doing with regard to arming Israel. I do not support or condone this genocide against innocent Palestinians in any way whatsoever.

My vote for Biden will simply be the most I can do to save the United States of America and our Constitution from quite literal destruction.

I had to swear the same oath Biden did when I worked for the census. And it doesn't expire. So I can't sit at home on election day, facilitating the destruction of our Constitution by not doing the very least I could to to try to save this country from a deplorable demise.

I am obligated by my sworn oath to protect and defend, by whatever means at my disposal, our Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Or orange.

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by Curt_Anderson on April 4, 2024 11:24 am
"But continuing to send Israel weapons to use on innocent Gazans in the face of the genocide that Israel has seemingly pulled all the stops out to commit is simply inexcusable." --Ponderer

Is that really true? I mean are we really sending the weapons that are used on Gaza? It's more likely we are selling them defensive weapons that are protection from the hostile theocratic regimes in the area. What is being used on Gazans doesn't seem to be anything high-tech.

I agree with your larger point that it's atrocious what is happening there. It's obviously a calamity for the Palestinians but it's also counterproductive for Israel.

I notice that you didn't address the issue of the hundred or so hostages that Hamas is holding. Normally in war the side that is getting their ass kicked surrenders and releases any prisoners they have. After we dropped atomic bombs on Japan, Emperor Hirohito didn't ask if the US was ready to quit.

Hamas is cynical and fanatical. They gleefully allow their own citizens to be killed because it generates bad publicity for Israel. It would be nice if the Gazans rebelled against Hamas. That's not going to happen because almost "three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found."
reuters.com

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 1:07 pm

Curt, if you think that the Israeli government is going to use the weapons we send them only for the purposes that they agreed to when we sent them, I have a really sweet bridge in Baltimore that I'd like to sell you.

(I forgot about the 500-pounders...)

U.S. sends more weapons to Israel amid growing calls for cease-fire

The U.S. is sending a fresh round of bombs to Israel, two senior administration officials told NBC News, undermining the Biden administration�s public expressions of frustration at Israel�s conduct in the war and its own efforts at brokering a cease-fire.

The bombs are part of a weapons package that was approved for Israel years ago, but is only being fulfilled now � and includes more than 1,800 Mark 84 (MK84) 2,000-pound bombs and approximately 500 Mark 82 (MK82) 500-pound bombs, the officials said. [This delivery should have been halted by any means at Biden's disposal]

The delivery of the weapons package was first reported by The Washington Post.

The Mark 84 and 82 are dumb bombs that can be converted into precision-guided ones with the help of a guidance kit, which the U.S. has provided in the past.

Even with precision guidance, these bombs likely lead to civilian deaths [Ya THINK???], and it�s believed that Israel has used them in its campaign in Gaza.

�These are the bombs that can destroy entire blocks,� one senior administration official said of the MK84 bombs.

The delivery comes as U.S. officials said Israel has provided Washington with assurances that it is using American-supplied weapons within the laws of war.

Israel receives $3.8 billion in annual military assistance from the U.S., but there is growing criticism of Washington�s continued supply of weapons to Israel six months into the war amid international scrutiny of Israel�s military tactics in Gaza and a mounting civilian death toll.

"I notice that you didn't address the issue of the hundred or so hostages that Hamas is holding." -Curt

My bad. You're right. I shouldn't have left them out...

Those bombs that we are giving to Israel to drop on Gaza will very likely kill quite a few of the hostages as well as other innocent civilians.

metro.co.uk

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 1:12 pm

If Biden loses the election, it will be mainly from alienating so many Democrats and Independents with his policy on Israel/Gaza.

Donna and I have talked with a great many progressives and Democrats who are simply not going to be able to vote for him because he is facilitating genocide. No matter how we stress the importance of Trump not being reelected, they still can't do it.

I sincerely hope that this reticence on such people's part to vote to save the Constitution of this country will dissipate by November.

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by Indy! on April 4, 2024 1:50 pm

That's what motivates the young away from the... ahem... "two" parties the most - the continual refusal to move in a different direction on issues like these. I've got no problem NOT voting for BidenTrumpCo. again.

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 3:02 pm

But Indy!, their future will be an entirely better place to live in if Trump is defeated. How can they not understand that the future existence of this country as a country hangs on whether one guy wins or the other? There is no other viable choice to protect their future that they could make than by doing whatever they can to stop Trump from fuckingit up. Which is casting a vote for Biden.

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by Curt_Anderson on April 4, 2024 3:05 pm
Ponderer,
The reason I mentioned the hostages that Hamas holds is because Hamas could end the war today if they returned the hostages to Israel. Israel certainly deserves condemnation, but too many people give Hamas a pass for their actions and their lack of action.

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by oldedude on April 4, 2024 4:12 pm
curt- I do absolutely agree with you on this. As is typical on the strip, one party refuses to even offer that, while the other won't move without it. And this is resonating with a lot of countries who have people still held.

So, good catch.

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by Curt_Anderson on April 4, 2024 4:23 pm
Thanks 👍 Olde Dude.

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 5:31 pm

Of course I am not giving Hamas any kind of pass. I never have for a second. The fuckingbastards should all rot in Hell.

But we are not giving arms to Hamas. We are giving them to Israel. How much sway do you believe Biden has with Hamas to diplomatically make them stop what they are doing?

Biden is not going to lose votes because Hamas is a bunch of asshole terrorists who he has no control over. He's going to lose votes over our supplying Netanyahu with bombs and other munitions that he's using to commit genocide with. Biden does have a bit of sway built into that situation. Sway that a great deal of people are pissed at him for not at least trying to use to stop this madness.

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by Curt_Anderson on April 4, 2024 6:23 pm
Ponderer,
Of those people you've talked to who are upset about Gaza and with Joe Biden, who will the vote for, RFK Jr?

Kennedy says Hamas is to blame for Gaza�s destruction for failing to embrace a two-state solution and for firing thousands of missiles into Israeli cities like Tel Aviv.

�Any other nation that was adjacent to a neighboring nation that was bombing it with rockets, sending commandos over to murder its citizens, pledging itself to murder every person in that nation and annihilate it, would go and level it with aerial bombardment,� Kennedy says.

I don't agree with RFK Jr. on much, but I believe he is right about what other countries would do, if they could, about a neighbor like Hamas.

timesofisrael.com

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by Curt_Anderson on April 4, 2024 6:42 pm
Ponderer,
Gaza is a strange war. Israel is motivated to NOT kill civilians as they risk international condemnation, but they want to root out Hamas. Hamas is motivated to HAVE Gazans killed, starved and pitiful as it creates sympathy for the Palestinians. Any other nation at war would have surrendered if they lost civilian lives like Gaza has. The civilians themselves would have risen up and demanded it.

Of course both sides are going about it in the wrong way. Both sides are counter-productive to their own goals.

There has a been sizeable amount of liberal Israelis advocating a two state solution. They are still for it, but not now, as it would be seen as a reward for Hamas' awful bloodthirsty October 7th assault.

Ponderer, yes we are not arming Hamas (I hope). But isn't not arming Israel essentially helping Hamas?

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 11:12 pm

Curt, all I am saying is that Biden is going to lose votes because he is being perceived as facilitating Israel's genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Anyone is of course free to try to justify Biden's actions all they want to.

But unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, Joe Biden is going to lose votes because he is being perceived as facilitating Israel's genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Maybe his talk earlier today with Netanyahu may amount to something other than talk.

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by Ponderer on April 4, 2024 11:13 pm

"Ponderer,
Of those people you've talked to who are upset about Gaza and with Joe Biden, who will they vote for, RFK Jr?" -Curt

They mostly say they aren't going to vote for anyone. Or they're going to vote for some vote-wasting vanity candidate.

Fortunately, I haven't run into anyone yet who is going to vote for Kennedy. Or at least anyone who is willing to admit it openly.

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by HatetheSwamp on April 5, 2024 4:29 am

Sorry to get on to this one so late. We were traveling yesterday, ending our winter sojourn.

Re: "...his handling of Israel in this Gaza/Hamas war has left me unable to defend his actions any longer." -po

po, we agree but we get there going different routes and I just say that you're getting what you voted for.

Joe's brain dead. All he's ever done, no matter what the challenge, is spend money. Ukraine. This current ridiculous border security bill... as examples.

Here? Spending money is a poooooooor solution. On whom? For what?

pb hasn't read all the posts on your thread but, clearly, the people suffering are the Palestinians. They are punching bags. Hamas threw the first punch. Israel is fighting back... and won't stop,... for a looooooooong time, at the very least.

And, if Joe weren't brainless,... and the string-pullers weren't inept,... the US might be able to mediate a solution.

Heck, even Jimmy Carter mediated the Camp David Accords. And, Trump engineered stuff.

Unlike you and your woke, white electric limousine lovin progressive Swampcult friends, I don't buy, uncritically, the Hamas propaganda. Still, I know it's ugly over there... and, if reports leaked from the CIA are true, Iran is about to make it much worse.

An observation and a question:

1. American progressives have always been virulently antisemitic, as we've learned here on SS itself. Your woke friends are walking lockstep in a tragic and hateful, Hitlerian, past. Sadly. But, par for the course. Nuthin new.

2. ARE YOU STILL CALLING FOR A BIDEN LANDSLIDE?

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by oldedude on April 6, 2024 6:17 am
xCurt, all I am saying is that Biden is going to lose votes because he is being perceived as facilitating Israel's genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
po- I agree that anyone riding the fence on any of this is going to lose friends, votes, whatever.

I do think there are bigger questions in it though. Ukrain seems to many to be a fairly cut and dry invasion by an "enemy" to us to a nation we didn't really care about. Few here were on Russia side. The biggest thing is supporting pedojoe and the war, whatever that was going to bring.

Now we have Palestinian/ Israeli "problems." I agree with Lead. For some reason modern liberals have become very antisemitic. I don't understand it other than they are pretty diehard anti terrorist while surrounded by terrorists.

Both Ukraine and Israel are portrayed in the media as supposedly bogging down in their counteroffensives.

More pro-Israel Republicans are troubled by Ukraine�s strategy, or lack thereof, in an increasing World War I Somme-like stalemate.

Yet more pro-Ukrainian Democrats are turning away from Israel as it dismantles Gaza in the messy, bloody slog against Hamas. The Left claims either Israel cannot or should not defeat Hamas, or at least at the present cost.

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When Russia invaded Ukraine, Americans overwhelmingly supported Ukraine�as they did with Israel after Oct. 7.

No wonder: Ukraine was surprise-attacked by Russia, and Israel was by Hamas.

It seemed an easy binary of good versus evil: Both the attacked Ukraine and Israel are pro-Western. Both their attackers, anti-Western Russia and Hamas, are not.

Now everything is bifurcating. And the politics of the wars in America reflect incoherence.

Both Ukraine and Israel are portrayed in the media as supposedly bogging down in their counteroffensives.

More pro-Israel Republicans are troubled by Ukraine�s strategy, or lack thereof, in an increasing World War I Somme-like stalemate.

Yet more pro-Ukrainian Democrats are turning away from Israel as it dismantles Gaza in the messy, bloody slog against Hamas. The Left claims either Israel cannot or should not defeat Hamas, or at least at the present cost.

So the Left pushes Israel to a cease-fire with Hamas.

It blasts Israeli �disproportionate� responses.

It demands that Israel avoid collateral damage.

It pressures it to form a wartime bipartisan government.

It lobbies to cut it off from American resupply.

It is terrified that Israel will expand the war by responding to aggression from Hezbollah and Iran.

Yet on Ukraine, the Left oddly pivots to the very opposite agenda.

It believes Ukraine should not be forced to make peace with Russian �fascists.� It must become disproportionate to �win� the war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy deserves a pass, despite canceling elections while suspending political parties.

America must step up its resupply to Kyiv with more and far deadlier weapons.

Ukraine has a perfect right to hit targets inside Russia.

Russian threats to widen the war should be considered empty and thus ignored. America should hate Russia far more than Hamas.

By contrast, conservatives are less supportive of Ukraine�s offensives, if more than ever allied with Israel.

In their realist views, Ukraine is a smaller power, vastly outnumbered by a richer, better-armed Russia. Thus, it should negotiate while it can, rather than eventually losing everything.

Israel, however, is, in their view, defeating Hamas. If allowed to finish the job, it can soon win the war in Gaza and still handle Hezbollah and deter Iran.

Furthermore, the Right is wary that Russia is a nuclear power. The Ukraine war is unfortunately creating a new, potent anti-American axis of Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea and drawing in former U.S. allies like Turkey and Qatar.

Yet, in Israel�s case, the U.S. is far more powerful than Hamas� patron, Iran, and can easily deter it should Tehran intervene.

As of now, none of Hamas� allies has nuclear weapons. Israel, however, does, unlike Ukraine.

Many conservatives further point out that Israel is a longtime U.S. democratic ally.

Ukraine�s elections are currently suspended while the country remains under martial law.

In realist terms, the old idea of Russian triangulation still makes some sense. Russia should be no friendlier to China than to the U.S., and China is no more aligned with Russia than with America.

Hamas, by contrast, is a terrorist clique, as are Hezbollah and all of Iran�s terrorist appendages. Their hatred of the U.S. is long-standing, immutable and transcends the Gaza war.

How about the public�s views in general?

With some $35 trillion in debt, still smarting over the humiliating withdrawal from Kabul, Afghanistan, and the military short 40,000 recruits, the public does not wish to get heavily involved in either war, even as polls still show radically differing Left/Right attitudes toward both.

Americans once overwhelmingly supported vast aid for Ukraine. Now, they decidedly think the U.S. is providing too much to Kyiv.

They still poll strong support for Israel over Hamas, but less so for Israel�s ongoing destruction of Hamas, given the collateral damage that follows.

Given there are few Russian-Americans, there are almost no demonstrations on behalf of Moscow�s war. But there are plenty of protests for Hamas since there are lots of Middle Eastern Americans and visitors within the U.S.

What are we to conclude about these contradictory wars and American attitudes toward them?

The more democratic and defensive the power, the more Americans support it�but only up to a point.

Even more, they demand quick victory�and lose interest when the wars stagnate, costs increase, and protests grow.

When Ukraine and Israel began costly counteroffensives, the former losing thousands and the latter killing thousands, the American public began to be less invested in either war.

Final lessons?

Israel should do all it can to destroy Hamas as quickly as possible and end the war.

Ukraine does not have the wherewithal to defeat Russia. It should cease costly offensives against Russia�s fortified lines and seek to negotiate.

Or, put another way, fickle Americans sympathize with those who are attacked. But their continuing support seems contingent on whether the victim can remain sympathetic�and win decisively to end the war rapidly.
dailysignal.com

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by HatetheSwamp on April 6, 2024 6:39 am

...anyone riding the fence on any of this is going to lose friends, votes, whatever.

Riding the fence? I think that it bottom lines that way, but I don't think that's what is the truth.

Joe's so physically frail and intellectually challenged by his cognitive decline that he brings neither strength nor creativity to the Hamas terror...

...and moderate and independent, Donna's low-information voters i.e., common sense voters can't help but to notice.

Joe's not up to the job... and, the international chaos proves that.

Moderate and independent, low-information voters know that life was serene across the globe when Trump was President.

po, Curt and t'other woke, white electric limousine lovin progressive Swampcultists like to pretend that that's coincidence. It may be, but I doubt it. And, the voters who will decide this election won't think that.

Oh, and the Fox and Friends Weekend gang was discussing the Victor Davis Hanson article. He's sharp.

There's no equivalent to him among social wokesters.

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by HatetheSwamp on April 6, 2024 7:27 am

Vote, proudly, for this...

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by Ponderer on April 6, 2024 9:05 am

od, the thing is, many of us believe that if the cost of Israel "destroying" Hamas is the intentional, reckless genocide of tens of thousands of Palestinians, then yes, that cost is too high and another way needs to be found.

Netanyahu doesn't care if every last Gazan starves to death or is blown to smithereens in his attempt to accomplish the quixotic and impossible goal of "destroying Hamas". That would suit him just fine. Palestinians are literal vermin to him. He would care far more about the global backlash he'd get from doing that than he cared about a single dead baby in Gaza.

I actually liked the commentary you posted. But...

"Final lessons?

Israel should do all it can to destroy Hamas as quickly as possible and end the war.

Ukraine does not have the wherewithal to defeat Russia. It should cease costly offensives against Russia�s fortified lines and seek to negotiate."

Israel defeating Hamas as quickly as possible to end the war essentially boils down to blowing the livingshit out of every part of Gaza until no Hamas members are left alive, which is what Netanyahu's plan has pretty much been all along. Meaning that to him, the bulk of the entire population and all the hostages need to be killed along with them. And even then Hamas will not be "destroyed". He might as well try to "destroy" all hatred towards Israel in the Occupied Territories by blowing it up.

Until both sides agree to some sort of two state solution, which neither side will ever accept over their own dead bodies, no negotiations will ever lead to any kind of lasting peace there. So the place is royallyfucked for a long time to come.

Ukraine would have the wherewithal to defeat Russia if we and the other NATO nations would only give them the aid they need to do it with (My God, in the very early days of Russia's invasion, what just one squadron of A-10's coulda done to that forty mile long line of Russian tanks and support vehicles). Any negotiations with Russia would mean giving up Ukrainian territory. Which I suppose Russia fairly deserves as a consolation prize for unsuccessfully invading and trying to invade and take over the entire country in the first place???

Ukraine shouldn't have to give up a square foot of its land to that megalomaniacal psychopath. Russia is entitled to none of Ukraine. Putin deserves none of it and we shouldn't help him get any of it. Quite the opposite. And he should be made to pay for the destruction he has caused there.

od, if foreign country started blowing things up all over America and was murdering tens of thousands of innocent Americans month after month in an attempt to overthrow and take over our country because they think they have some right to parts of it, would you be in favor of giving them Florida in peace negotiations if it would stop their violence? Wouldn't that be fair?

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by oldedude on April 6, 2024 9:15 am
I can go with that sub context for sure.* For the low information voters though, they don't look nor do they care about it. The granddaughter here is one. Really smart, but isn't talking the way she thinks she needs to. Obviously, there's baby sign going on for some of the things. And being one, there's a whole lot of needs and wants she can't articulate except in the way she cries. Anything else in the world, she doesn't care about.

It's a lot like low information voters. They can't articulate the need/ desire in words everyone else is willing to listen to. So then the crying starts, then the pissed crying starts. There is no reasoning, hoping, or cajoling that will stop them until you "guess correctly" and fulfill their "need/desire."

I don't think there's any coincidence either. These things happen because there's things in the background that make/let them happen. I spend about 50% of my news time on domestic news is all. That's why I'm behind many times on this blog. My view is that I see things that do/will affect the US internationally first. Be it in a few months or a day or two. So it's far easier for me to pick up domestic news and those that have cranial/ rectal inversion (mostly political figures at first). Joe looked like he was riding that fence, when I truly think he was negotiating with SEATO about Taiwan. You just don't put a carrier group or a sub task force out to sea in a day. It just doesn't happen.

You watch people. some operate in chaos. some don't. the left operates in chaos well, Bucause that's the way they get stuff. So it's no surprise when they have a hissy fit and burn down cities. Their parents (left wokester politicians) have not only allowed them to do it, but give them suckers for the act.

*(In this post, when I say pedojoe did this or that, I'm talking about the collective of the "administration." meaning handlers and whizbang wokesters screwing things up because they don't have any experience)

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by Indy! on April 6, 2024 11:39 am

The reality on Ukraine... everyone came around to Indy's way of thinking (as usual). I said on day 1 it was a farce - just another military money pit - now everyone except those willingly brainwashed by the military agree.

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