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The debt ceiling compromise
By HatetheSwamp
May 30, 2023 4:22 am
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Here's what I know:

"That feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" said all along that he would not negotiate. He did. He demanded a clean bill. This bill is dirty.

That gay Guy Curt never heard of retweeted this:

"1. The debt ceiling compromise could've been done six months ago.
2. McCarthy had a weak hand but played it well.
3. Biden had a weak hand and played it poorly.
4. The end result is much ado about nothing. None of this matters a damn."

I think the GOPs won...if this passes.


pb is perhaps the most politically moderate poster on SS. OD's close, but it's probably pb. Of course, compared to po and the Heather-lover, that ain't saying much.

pb loves these increasingly rare moments in which compromise is unavoidable...and the federal government has to do what it's designed, by the Founders, to do...and a majority in the House, 60 in the Senate, and the President have to agree on a compromise.

Unlike po, I ain't a law school professor and constitutional scholar so po can correct me but, based on last year's Supreme Court decisions, I don't think the current Court will allow the President to foist an increase in the national debt on Congress and the citizens by claiming the Fourteenth Amendment. I know that po saw that as a possibility...but, I don't think so. This is, as Lincoln said, "a nation of the people, by the people and for the people."

Anyway, getting the bill through Congress will be a different kind of interesting politics than we've become used to in recent decades.

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on May 30, 2023 8:22 am
    1. The debt ceiling compromise could NOT have been done six months ago because voters and political donors of both political parties would would tell their representatives don’t quit now, you still have six months to get a better deal!
    2. GOP reps Ralph Norman, Chip Roy et al disagree that McCarthy played a weak hand well.
    3. “Biden had a weak hand and played it poorly.” See #2
    4. It matters a lot. The GOP House position is like the husband who isn’t happy with what the family pays for rent and groceries so he threatens to ruin their credit.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on May 30, 2023 8:26 am

    What's the GOP House position? McCarthy's?


  3. by Curt_Anderson on May 30, 2023 11:07 am
    They are in the same position as the husband I mentioned who who threatens to destroy the the family’s credit by not paying their bills.


  4. by oldedude on May 30, 2023 11:17 am
    4. It matters a lot. The GOP House position is like the husband who isn’t happy with what the family pays for rent and groceries so he threatens to ruin their credit.

    Perhaps, if the family is judicious with its spending I'll agree. If mom wants to move into a new house, and spend more money than they have on jewelry, take herself on vacation with a "friend" she's going to pay for, and hit the casinos, clearly that's another issue.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on May 30, 2023 12:24 pm

    They are in the same position as the husband I mentioned who who threatens to destroy the the family’s credit by not paying their bills.

    I don't understand how your metaphor works. When Jesus told a parable the point was obvious. When Curt tells one? Not so much.

    Please splain, Curt.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on May 30, 2023 12:52 pm
    Ok, HtS, you and your wife spend money on shopping, rent, utilities, et cetera. Sometimes you have jointly agreed on where the money is spent. Sometimes you spend money and use the credit card independently. Since you are married you are responsible for your wife's spending and vice versa.

    When the bills come due you don't stiff your landlord and other creditors because you aren't happy with your wife's spending. You don't sabotage your own credit---thus paying a higher interest rate---to teach your wife a lesson. That's extortion while holding a gun to your own head.

    Can pay your bills but tell your wife that you are dumping cable and TV and cutting back on eating out in the future. It's not legitimate to threaten not to pay your bills. Likewise, Republicans in Congress when they have control can vote on bills and amendment and cut spending. But they need to pay the bills that are due.

    Some of that debt was incurred while Trump was president. Trump's tax cuts helped "for the first time in American history, the 400 wealthiest people paid a lower tax rate than any other group" (Forbes). That would be like the husband complaining about the family's bills when he decided to cut back on the hours he works a week.

    forbes.com


  7. by HatetheSwamp on May 30, 2023 1:05 pm

    Sorry, Curt. Your parable doesn't comport with reality, even a little bit.

    Where are you getting your propaganda these days?


  8. by Curt_Anderson on May 30, 2023 1:21 pm
    Fortunately for our economy most Americans agree we should pay or bills and not stiff our creditors. You cannot make an arbitrary HtS household rule and insist you won't pay your bills if they exceed an arbitrary amount. Non-deadbeat Americans understand the analogy.

    Btw, if you ask Americans about government spending, most want to NORE money spent when asked about individual expense areas like education, veterans' benefits, roads, health care, et cetera. (Click image below)

    thehill.com


  9. by HatetheSwamp on May 30, 2023 1:24 pm

    Freedom Caucus lawmaker supports ousting McCarthy over debt-limit deal with Biden

    Rep. Dan Bishop on Tuesday became the first Republican to signal his support for ousting House Speaker Kevin McCarthy over an agreement with President Biden to hike the debt limit past the 2024 election.

    "The Republican conference right now has been torn asunder,” said Rep. Chip Roy, Texas Republican. “No matter what happens, there’s going to be a reckoning about what just occurred, unless we stop this bill by tomorrow.”

    Earlier this year, Mr. McCarthy narrowly clinched the speakership after 15 ballots amid opposition from members of the Freedom Caucus.


    pb's being proved right again. He says two things repeatedly:

    1. The GOP is the home of openness and inclusion and tolerance, acceptance and diversity...and freethinking. But, mostly freethinking and diversity.
    2. The GOP does rule well.

    Bang on, pb. Bang on.


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