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IT'S OFFICIAL: Florida is Governed by Bigoted, Sociopathic Assholes...
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Florida passes bathroom bill in latest wave of anti-trans legislation

Florida’s legislature Wednesday passed a bill that bans transgender people from using many bathrooms and changing areas that match their gender identity, on penalty of criminal trespass charges, in the latest spate of anti-LGBTQ legislation that has been taken up by state lawmakers.

A small number of Republicans joined their Democratic colleagues in opposing House Bill 1521, which applies to schools, government buildings, prisons and detention centers. It now heads to the desk of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who is expected to sign it into law. DeSantis — who has privately indicated that he intends to seek the 2024 GOP presidential nomination — has tacked to the hard right on social issues such as abortion, as he courts primary voters by showing off his conservative vision for the state and pitches Florida as a “blueprint” for the rest of the country.

The bill that passed was more limited than earlier drafts, which would have extended the ban to facilities in many private businesses. It is opposed by LGBTQ and civil liberties activists, who say that it criminalizes transgender people for ordinary behavior. “Our state government should be focused on solving pressing issues, not terrorizing people who are simply trying to use the restroom and exist in public,” said Jon Harris Maurer, public policy director at Equality Florida, an LGBTQ advocacy group.



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  1. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 7:07 am

    Well, Florida doesn't have to worry about me or Donna ever threatening and upsetting their public safety. We're never going to set foot in such a Fascist-governed place ever again. I hope we never even have to make a layover in such a place ruled by such bigoted, sociopathic assholes.

    In fact, I am never going to call the state anything but Fascist Florida from here on out...


  2. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 8:06 am

    We're never going to set foot in such a Fascist-governed place ever again. I hope we never even have to make a layover in such a place ruled by such bigoted, sociopathic assholes.

    Would Curt allow you to use SS to promote your own, private, for-profit HATESPEECH SEMINARS!!!!!? You breathe hate as effortlessly as Ilya Natasi hit a forehand back in the day.

    I'm tellin ya, po. As long as you engage in the, uh, Democracy, with virulent hate speech, your side is going down.

    Apart from your detestable way of expressing yourself, I agree to a small degree. The bathroom stuff? I'm with Ron on that...in publicly owned property. "Of the people, by the people and for the people," and all.

    I do think that the abortion bill went too far.

    I posted yesterday that I think DeSantis is killing his presidential prospects by hitting the social issues this harshly. "It's the economy, stupid."

    I also pointed out, though, that Jaime Mitchell, President of GAG, is a rabid supporter of Ron DeSantis for President...illustrating serious problems for you supporters of the trans political agenda. You ain't even close to mainstream LGBT...if there is such a thing any longer.


  3. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 8:48 am

    But Bill, I only do it to this degree in here for your benefit. I come in here and use you and your bigoted pig-ignorance as a punching bag to work out all my frustrations on without actually offending anyone who actually matters.

    Please don't think that I am stupid enough to ever imagine that you could ever change into a rational, empathetic human being. Regardless of how pleasant and calmly I explain what an asshole you are. I know for a concrete fact what a hopeless and eternal asshole you are and you aren't going to ever change. I am fully aware of this fact and have been for some time. Don't fool yourself into thinking I'm trying to change you.


    "As long as you engage in the, uh, Democracy, with virulent hate speech, your side is going down." -Hate

    I know I know. We are all supposed to simply shut up and respond to all the virulent hate laws you fukking MAGA Republican assholes on your side sees fit to ruin our lives with. We should never react to your virulent hate laws with anything but a polite, "Thank you, sir" and a smile. As if that would make the tiniest bit of difference in the world.

    Well you and all your evil, bigoted, sociopathic, immoral, asshole brethren can all go fukk yourselves.


    America would be such an wonderfully American place if it wasn't for all the bigoted fukking anti-American assholes like you and all your MAGA Republican politicians.

    (And I only say that because you assholes believe and say the same thing about us)


  4. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 8:57 am

    "You breathe hate as effortlessly as Ilya Natasi hit a forehand back in the day."

    And you and your MAGA Republican party breath hate as easily as you breathe normally.

    In fact, you can be counted on to be breathing hate all the time. It's all you ever breathe. No breath seems to ever emanate from your mouths without a huge consistency of hate. You even named yourself Hate! Hate and fear of what you hate govern your entire beings.



  5. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 9:08 am

    And you and your MAGA Republican party breath hate as easily as you breathe normally.

    Noop.

    Thing is, po. At least once daily, I quote your "Christian theocrats" and Donna's "fascistic and disgusting." Just today you added some "fascists" to the pile. You can't quote that stuff coming from OD and me.

    We don't hate. You do.


  6. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 9:21 am

    Bill, since my use of the word "fascist" seems to trigger the living shhit out of you so terribly (perfectly accurate though it is), I shall strive to utilize some of the established synonyms for the word listed in the dictionary to calm your tender and fragile ego.

    They don't all really apply perfectly, but several still allow me to accurately describe what the MAGA Republican party is currently in the process of doing to the trans community...

    • Blackshirt
    • National Socialist
    • Nazi
    • brownshirt
    • authoritarian
    • autocrat
    • totalitarian
    • tyrant
    • anti-Semite
    • jingoist
    • racist
    • xenophobe

    No need to thank me.



  7. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 9:22 am

    "We don't hate. You do." -Hate

    The ease with which you lie your fukking ass of is a thing to behold I must say.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 9:29 am

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Life in a "democracy."


  9. by Hunter28 on May 5, 2023 11:08 am

    I would probably support this bill, though I'd like to hear more about how they define "transgender" -- people who identify as a different gender than their birth sex, people who have had surgical reassignment, people who have a long and documented history of gender dysphoria, etc.

    My main concern here isn't most trans people. My feeling is that most genuine transgender people are harmless (or at least no more dangerous than non-trans folks). And I don't think many people have a problem with trans men (before or after surgery) entering men's restrooms. There's no threat to the biological men or boys.

    But women's restrooms are different. I don't think many people would have a problem with trans women who have surgically transitioned entering a women's room. They have the correct anatomy for the location. My concern -- and I suspect this is shared with many others -- is with people who have male genitalia entering a women's restroom, spa, locker room or changing room. There have been cases where men, pretending to be trans, entered female spaces and exposed themselves (which is the most common sex crime). Even if you believe yourself to be trans, is it really appropriate to expose your male equipment in a female space? I don't think so. And I'm not some right-wing religious nut.

    I realize trans folk may respond, "That concern is overblown because it rarely happens." Maybe, but gender dysphoria is also rare, and yet we're changing laws and customs to accommodate a remarkably small number of people. So here we are. I would say the safety and rights of females with female body parts trumps that of any person with male parts who wants to enter a space reserved for females.


  10. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 1:03 pm

    "I would probably support this bill, though I'd like to hear more about how they define 'transgender' --" -Hunter

    The word "transgender" appears nowhere in this particular bill though, Hunter. They worded it very carefully so that it makes it a misdemeanor for trans people to use their correct bathroom without having to even mention the term. They make it very clear: If you were born male, you can only legally ever use men's rooms. If you were born female, you can only legally ever use female bathrooms. They make no distinction between pre- or post-surgical transgender people. Which is nothing but putrid, baselessly paranoid bigotry unconstitutionally sewn into this state's law.


    "But women's restrooms are different. I don't think many people would have a problem with trans women who have surgically transitioned entering a women's room. They have the correct anatomy for the location." -Hunter

    And you are right! Women don't have a problem with trans women in the restroom. Because they generally never even knew we were in there and we were never in there to rape anybody. I am even quite positive that Hate's wife has used public restrooms with trans-women before, pre- and post-op, and has never had a thing to say bad about it.

    There are of course some of us who don't pass very well who women have had problems with. I know dozens of horror stories of religion-fueled Karens creating degrading and embarrassing havoc in some poor trans-woman's life just because they needed to pee. But these may also be trans-women who have in fact had every surgery they can get. Fortunately for myself, I have so far avoided meeting such a Karen. I never even make eye contact in a ladies room. And as I mentioned already, I shall stay well out of Florida and any states that have such draconian, evil laws.

    I'm sure that you must see that this is a ridiculously complicated issue to try to establish legal protocols with. Especially with such ill-thought out proclamations.


    "There have been cases where men, pretending to be trans, entered female spaces and exposed themselves (which is the most common sex crime)." -Hunter

    And there have also been men who enter men's rooms and sexually assault boys. Neither of these types of men are transgender. Both of these types of men are criminal perverts and should be arrested, tried, and locked away to prevent them from harming anymore women in other restrooms. I'm all for that 100%. Throw away the key.

    But I guess I need to ask how you might think that making it illegal for me and my wife to use a public women's room in many buildings and properties in Florida, thereby forcing us to have to use the men's room, is going to make women's rooms safer for women in that state. We transitioned before the turn of the century and have been using women's public restrooms for over a quarter of a century now. All of a sudden, we are a threat and need to have our civil rights flushed down what baselessly paranoid bigots believe is the appropriate toilet?

    Why do you think that we and our entire community, who are not criminal perverts, are suddenly a threat to women in restrooms in Florida? What do you think would justify the governor making it illegal for Donna and I and the rest of our community specifically to use public restrooms in Florida that are the correct ones for us?


    "I realize trans folk may respond, "That concern is overblown because it rarely happens." Maybe, but gender dysphoria is also rare, and yet we're changing laws and customs to accommodate a remarkably small number of people." -Hunter

    Do you think you could share with us what you believe is, or should be, the legal percentage of the population that a minority must achieve before it becomes eligible to be a protected minority under the Constitution?

    There are millions of us just in this country, Hunter. Not enough...?


  11. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 1:43 pm

    The question is becoming a matter of whose comfort matters. More and more, organic men's and women's comfort is what matters.

    Much of the LGBT agenda that has become law...almost ALL of it...was foisted on America by courts.

    One way that a new day has dawned in America is the punch line of the Dobbs decision. Dobbs, and other Supreme Court decisions last year, reassert the power of the Tenth Amendment and give prerogative to "the people and their representatives." I.e., these issue will be addressed through legislatures, not courts.

    No more judicial foisting.

    po, you're caught in the middle of that.
    Arizona is so purple that I think it's unlikely that there will be a Florida style law there.

    28,

    You are correct. Gender dysphoria is very rare. What's more, anti-TQ LGB groups and activists will remind us that "Gender Affirming Surgery" is not the only way of addressing it. My guess is that, if the decline of the trans political agenda continues for another year or two, the conversation will move toward effective alternatives to the surgery.

    po and Donna may be dinosaurs in 20 years or so.

    BTW, po. GAG added 3,000 new Twitter followers in the last day.


  12. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 2:58 pm

    "My guess is that, if the decline of the trans political agenda continues for another year or two, the conversation will move toward effective alternatives to the surgery."

    Bill, for trans people who truly need it, if you are aware of any way other than surgery to remove a penis and testicles and replace it all with a vagina (that can even fool a gynecologist) that the medical world has not thought or heard of yet in the last half a century of global research, you need to contact the American Medical Association or a similar psychological organization and let them know about it right away.

    If you aren't aware of such a treatment, I am not as confident as you are that MAGA Republican politicians are going to discover it in the next twelve months.



    And yes, Arizona has been becoming more politically sane in a lot of ways since we first got here. I think it was just last week that I read about a high school here that held a drag talent show on campus.

    Yeah... Here it is... Their second annual even!:


    TUCSON, Ariz. - Some lawmakers in Arizona introduced bills this year prohibiting children from attending drag shows, but as they try to keep kids away, a high school in southern Arizona held its second annual drag performance.

    On April 29, it was a packed house, all for a cause for Tucson High School's Q Space Club, with a variety of drag queens and other performers. [I think it may have even been sponsored by Trans Political Agenda, LLP]

    "This a chance for them to exercise their right to express themselves, come in here, and really be who they are," said Tucson Unified Governing Board president, Dr. Ravi Shah.

    Shah, along with others on the board, attended.

    He says it's a student created and led show, just like every other event on campus.

    "I think people really need to look at the difference and stop equating every performance there is. A drag show at a nightclub at midnight is very different than a drag show at brunch at a nonprofit fundraising event, which is different from a drag show in the afternoon at the library, which is different from a drag show here at 6 p.m. in the evening put on by high school students," Shah said.



    You know what, Bill? Could you please alert those gallant Protectors of Public Safety at GAG about this event so that they can light their hair on fire about it...? There's a great video in there for them to edit and misrepresent too.

    And MY GOD...! All the trans grooming that was taking place there that day...!
    fox10phoenix.com


  13. by Hunter28 on May 5, 2023 3:03 pm

    Interesting comments, Ponderer. Let me clarify.

    As I said in my opening line -- I would consider supporting the bill, though I would want to read the fine print. If you are correct that there are no exceptions for people who have surgically transitioned, then I probably would not support it. Looks like the bill has some problems. Thank you for pointing that out.

    But this isn't a trans issue. Nobody cares if trans men use male restrooms. It's a safety issue. Most sex crimes are committed by people who have penises. I believe that women (those with vaginas and ovaries) have a right to be safe in vulnerable spaces where they have to remove their clothes, such as restrooms, bathrooms, spas, locker rooms and changing rooms.

    You are correct that this could become a ridiculously complicated issue. That's why I propose a simple rule: No penises in female-only spaces.

    Since you have already explained that you and your wife have surgically transitioned, none of this would apply to you.

    You are also correct that male sexual predators already have access to male restrooms. But that is no reason to give them easy access to female restrooms as well. If we pass a law that allows people with penises to use women's rooms, it's nearly impossible to keep male sexual predators out, since they can simply claim they are transgender. Allowing penises into women's restrooms will embolden sexual predators.

    You made some sort of comment about whether rapes would happen in restrooms. Probably not that many. But as I said earlier, the most common type of sexual assault is when a male exposes himself to women. There are all kinds of sex crimes short of rape that could potentially increase by allowing people with penises into female-only spaces.

    You clearly want understanding and acceptance for your community, and that's reasonable. But can you understand and accept that many women might not want someone with a penis in their female-only spaces?

    If you want to talk numbers, we can. There are 330 million people in the U.S. If 0.5% of the population experiences gender dysphoria, and half were born male, that means this might be an issue for about 800,000 trans women. Let me ask you which number is larger: 800,000 or 165 million. Because that's how many people in this country were born female. Why do you think the 800,000 trans women should get final say on what affects the other 165 million? Doesn't that number matter? Do women's rights matter, or only the rights of trans women?


  14. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 3:24 pm

    You're welcome, first of all Hunter. I think the two of us can have some really great discussions here in future.

    "Most sex crimes are committed by people who have penises. I believe that women (those with vaginas and ovaries) have a right to be safe in vulnerable spaces where they have to remove their clothes, such as restrooms, bathrooms, spas, locker rooms and changing rooms." -Hunter

    Out of all the research I have done, I have yet to see an actual example of an actual trans-woman sexually accost another woman or girl in a public restroom. Again, the people committing these crimes are not actually trans.

    If it was a "thing" for bank robbers to wear blackface while robbing a bank, should the logical approach to it be to impose a law that makes it illegal for black people to enter banks?


    If it's all just about women and others feeling safe in public spaces, I would call into context all the state laws allowing open carry in public spaces and businesses. If I go into a grocery store and even see an assault rifle over someone's shoulder, I am instantly very uncomfortable and am hightailing it outta there. I know I can't be the only one who reacts as uncomfortably as I do in these situations that are by no means rare. But the comfort and safety of those others and myself don't matter a damn apparently, while MAGA Republican state governments seem to believe that women afraid of being accosted in public bathrooms by trans-women have more to fear than we do?


  15. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 3:55 pm

    po,

    I've said before that one problem your side has is how easily evil people can take advantage of the concessions you desire in, for example, bathroom laws. The examples are numerous. And, that's, simply, real world life. Organic women don't have to fear you...but, there's tons od serious evil in the world.

    When you're not engaging in insults and name-calling, you can make a decent argument but, even then, in your last post, you were poignant but, in the end, couldn't resist bashing the MAGAs. C'mon man, gimme a break.

    Things are going really bad for your side at the moment. The MAGA Republican "Christian theocrats" are achieving an efficient level of organization and, trust me, for the future, those politically conservative anti-TQ LGB groups and activists are the thing of the future for you to fear. I read their posts about attending school board meetings and town council hearings. They're serious...and more extreme than the most homophobic MAGA.

    So long as you settle for spewing hate, ten years from now, trans people are going to be confined to dark corners, living the lives of second class citizens in a way you can't imagine.

    Perhaps you should study up on how Caitlyn Jenner charmed the Fox News gang, and take some lessons. If you don't...


  16. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 3:56 pm

    I didn't mean to limit what I was talking about to just rape, Hunter. I of course include flashers or any kind of perverted sexual criminals.


    "Since you have already explained that you and your wife have surgically transitioned, none of this would apply to you." -Hunter

    Well, to be completely clear and honest, Hunter, I have only had a bilateral orchiectomy. However, after a quarter century of hormone therapy, I find it difficult to describe what I still have as a "penis". But technically... that's what it is. Donna has gone the full nine yards.

    So do you think I should stop using women's rooms? I'm not gonna, and may even someday be arrested for it, but do you think I should? And how will my using the men's room from now on make women safer in women's rooms?

    Anyways, in either case, this Florida law would make it illegal for me or Donna to use the listed public ladies rooms in that state.


    I know I've been "read" in women's rooms before. I can't explain how we can tell, but you just can. But luckily all these women have been courteous and understanding, or at least silent, and have never made a fuss at all.

    But let's say Donna and I are on vacation in Florida and while using a public women's room somewhere there Donna, who has no penis, is verbally accosted by a woman who reads her and declares she has no business there and that she is in fact breaking the law. The woman even gets on her phone and calls 911 to report Donna as "a guy with a penis" in the women's room and cops even show up. They begin giving her the third degree, demanding that she prove that she was born female or she's being taken downtown...

    Do you really think that the dehumanizing, embarrassing and tremendously inconvenient price that Donna or any other trans woman in that position would be about to pay in such a scenario isn't worse than a the price some woman might pay by feeling temporarily uncomfortable because a questionably trans woman she read in the restroom might try to show her penis to her?


  17. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 4:03 pm

    "but, in the end, couldn't resist bashing the MAGAs." -Hate

    All I did was mention the MAGA Republican state governments, Bill. How is merely mentioning the majority state governments that belong to the second most popular political party in the country "bashing" them?

    And in all honest fact and reality, they are the only ones responsible for these heinous laws, Bill. What am I supposed to say?


  18. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2023 4:33 pm

    po, you said,

    "...MAGA Republican state governments seem to believe that women afraid of being accosted in public bathrooms by trans-women have more to fear than we do?"

    You are in a tough place. In most cases, the legislation that was passed was passed with two-thirds and three-fourths majorities. AND, frequently, the legislators on your side, who opposed the laws, interacted with hateful rhetoric. The Montana representative, Zooey Zephyr, who was banished from the House floor is merely an extreme example.

    The thing is, nearly all of those laws not only passed by large margins, they're extremely popular with voters. Clearly, some of those laws are unnecessarily extreme, even in my opinion. Calling them "fascistic and disgusting" serves no one, though.

    I'll say it again. EVERYONE at Fox News effin loves Caitlyn Jenner. This doesn't have to be a war. Your side is at risk. You need to find a way to refocus.


  19. by Ponderer on May 5, 2023 4:47 pm

    Although I hold the same opinion on trans women athletes as Caitlyn does and she's trans, for the most part I dislike everything else about her. Can't go as far as saying I "hate" her though.


  20. by Hunter28 on May 5, 2023 11:10 pm
    Ponderer:

    I may not have been clear the first couple of times I tried to explain this, so I'll take one more whack at it.

    My biggest concern is not trans people using restrooms. My guess is they're no more dangerous than most other people. Am I concerned about my daughter or wife using a public restroom and passing Dylan Mulvaney on their way to the stalls. No, not really. I'm sure Dylan is only there to take care of business, as are most trans folk and the rest of us.

    The problem is that once you say it's OK for a biological man with all the functioning male equipment to use a restroom, you can't limit it to trans people (trans women) only. Any man who wants to use that restroom can. All he has to do is say he's a trans woman. How can you keep him out? There are no gatekeepers.

    There's a reason so many priests are child molesters. These guys didn't join the church to be closer to god. They joined the church because they were pedophiles and churches allow close access to children (away from other adults). The collar makes you an authority figure, conveys trust, and allows you to be alone with children. It's a pedophile's dream.

    Some sexual predators want access to children's spaces. Others want access to women's spaces.

    Let's imagine a sexual predator. Someone like Bill Cosby or Jeffery Epstein, but lesser known and without money or sedatives. He is male in both sex and gender identity. He is attracted to women, or perhaps girls. He gets off by flashing himself and fantasizes about touching women, stealing panties, taking upskirt photos, all that stuff. He would love to have access to female-only spaces, but can't get into a woman's restroom right now because men are not allowed. But if you allow one type of male body (a trans woman), this sexual predator can easily go into a woman's restroom under the pretense of also being a trans woman. And that's when the bad stuff can happen.

    I just did a quick Google search for "How many men are sexual predators?" And since Google would never lie to me, I have learned that an estimated 3 percent of men are potential sexual predators (link below). That means:

    -- 0.5% of all people are trans (1 in 200) and half are trans women (1 in 400)
    -- 3% of men are sexual predators (3 in 100 -- or 12 in 400).

    In other words, out of 400 male bodies in a community that could potentially walk into a women's restroom, 1 might be a trans woman while 12 might be a potential sexual predator.

    See what I'm getting at?

    I'm not worried about the Dylan Mulvaneys of the world. I'm worried about the Bill Cosbys. There are 12 times more Cosbys than Mulvaneys.

    If you let the Mulvaneys self-identify as females, I don't see how you can prevent the Cosbys from doing the same. If you let one group into women's restrooms, I don't see how you can keep the other out.

    We can't police who is actually a trans woman and who is pretending. There are no ID cards. No key for real trans people. The only way to keep the Cosbys out of women's restrooms is to keep the Mulvaneys out, too. I only see one reasonable solution: NO ONE WITH A PENIS ALLOWED IN WOMEN'S RESTROOMS.

    usafe.af.mil


  21. by HatetheSwamp on May 6, 2023 3:16 am

    28,

    The problem is that once you say it's OK for a biological man with all the functioning male equipment to use a restroom, you can't limit it to trans people (trans women) only. Any man who wants to use that restroom can.

    Bingo.

    Over the years, I've made that same point over many times though not as eloquently as you. In this thread I've said that if the accommodations trans people want are made, that, very literally, opens the door for evil people to do bad things.

    In my many years here on SS, I can't recall receiving a response. My sense of po is that po wants what po wants...and the rest of the world be damned.

    Practical implications of her agenda ain't po's forté.

    Perhaps, though, you'll succeed where others have failed.


  22. by oldedude on May 6, 2023 4:16 am
    Hunter! 100%! I've been harping on the same platform! It's not about "whatevers" it's about groomers that use the easier situation to perp on their chosen group. The "Trans" in NOVA who wasn't trans at all. He was a perp and a serial rapist. As you said, are those in religious organizations, youth movements, etc. To them, it's just a way to get to their chosen group.


  23. by HatetheSwamp on May 6, 2023 5:09 am

    OD and 28,

    In my opinion, nearly all people are sympathetic to the desires behind the controversial points of the trans political agenda. The problem is that, in this case, gender affirming restrooms create very real danger for organic women...and girls.

    The history on SS, with po and Donna, and, I think, with trans-philes like isle, is that when the dangerous implications of the trans political agenda are raised constructively, the advocates of the trans political agenda advise us to go eff ourselves and accuse us of being MAGA Republican "Christian theocrats."

    That behavior by advocates of the trans political agenda is, I believe, the explanation for the exponential rise in anti-TQ LGB groups and activists.


  24. by Ponderer on May 6, 2023 9:00 am

    Look gang. I do understand where you are coming from. The last thing I want is for men to pretend to be trans in order to commit sexual violence and crimes against women.

    But again... How often does a man dress like a woman and pretend to be trans while accosting some woman or girl in a rest room?

    Do we need to make ski masks illegal because robbers use them to commit crimes with? Should we make knives illegal because people use them to stab others?

    And again, you are calling for a specific minority to be deprived of their civil rights and pay for something that none of them are guilty of! And we're just supposed to accept it?

    Geez, Bill! You and od had freaking aneurysms screaming about your civil rights because you had to wear a mask in public for awhile. But we're supposed to quietly and humbly let you take away or civil rights and force us into horrifically embarrassing and even life threatening situations every time we need to use a public bathroom???


    Lemme ask you all this...

    Let's say that it becomes a federal crime for any transgender person to use any public restroom that does not match the sex that they were born as.









    What is then going to stop any man who is a sexual deviant intent on committing a sex crime from dressing like a woman and going into a women's room to sexually assault women anyways?









    .


  25. by HatetheSwamp on May 6, 2023 11:52 am

    Geez, Bill! You and od had freaking aneurysms screaming about your civil rights because you had to wear a mask in public for awhile. But we're supposed to quietly and humbly let you take away or civil rights...


    Civil rights? You wanna break that down for me?

    Lemme ask you all this...

    Let's say that it becomes a federal crime for any transgender person to use any public restroom that does not match the sex that they were born as.

    What is then going to stop any man who is a sexual deviant intent on committing a sex crime from dressing like a woman and going into a women's room to sexually assault women anyways?


    It won't become a federal crime. But,...

    ...sadly, nuthin. I think you're in a bad place but, in red states, anyway, I think you're cooked. Organic woman aren't going to drop this, for a looooooooong time, as far as I can see.


  26. by islander on May 6, 2023 11:55 am

    To me this is all just just the right making a big ado about nothing. Men are already prohibited from entering woman's rest rooms and in most jurisdictions it's probably illegal. However If they are caught doing so they are usually simply asked to leave. If a sexual predator were caught attempting to commit a crime in a rest room he would be arrested.

    If a man or woman simply cannot hold it any longer, and the rest room of their gender is full, I doubt anyone would complain if they were to use the 'other's' rest room. Same with a man bringing his little daughter into the woman's rest room because she's too young to go in alone. Woman's rest rooms have stalls for privacy.

    We are also seeing more unisex bathrooms along side the standard men's and woman's restrooms.

    I honestly don't think this is something most normal healthy people stay awake worrying about.



  27. by HatetheSwamp on May 6, 2023 1:09 pm

    isle,

    The people of Florida and their representatives think it's significant enough. And, I believe, quite a number of Donna's 3,000 pieces of legislation in 33 states cover this same ground.

    There are three aspects of the trans political agenda that create backlash against that agenda:

    Bathrooms
    Athletics
    Public schools

    As I follow political discourse, many organic women are of the opinion that the bathrooms and athletics issues reveal significant disrespect of women.

    Hence the deluge of anti-trans laws passed in recent months.


  28. by islander on May 6, 2023 1:51 pm

    Hate,

    Many woman don't feel the way you do.

    I'll guarantee you that most normal emotional healthy woman feel the same way I do about those issues.

    They do not have the same pruriant interest and imaginings that you do.
    pewresearch.org


  29. by Ponderer on May 6, 2023 4:53 pm

    "Civil rights? You wanna break that down for me?" -Hate


    *sigh*


    Well, given the density of that solid, bone-filled skull of yours, I guess I'll have to help you with the obvious...


    Perhaps I'm talking about the same civil rights that had been denied to black people decades ago, making it illegal for them to use public restrooms with white people because the presence of black people in restrooms made those white people "nervous". And "afraid for their lives". And because it was "an issue of safety". And because "I don't want my wife or daughter having to use the same plumbing as one of them there....... coloreds."


    Not ringing any bells, Bill...?


  30. by Ponderer on May 6, 2023 4:57 pm

    "Bathrooms
    Athletics
    Public schools"
    -Hate

    Okay, so all transgender people have to do is...

    • Never have to use a restroom away from home.
    • Never compete in any athletics.
    • Never attend any school.

    Bill, are you sure that these are all the restrictions you want to put on us...? I mean 'cuz this is gonna be a piece of cake!


  31. by Ponderer on May 6, 2023 5:02 pm

    What is then going to stop any man who is a sexual deviant intent on committing a sex crime from dressing like a woman and going into a women's room to sexually assault women anyways? -me

    "It won't become a federal crime. But,...

    ...sadly, nuthin. I think you're in a bad place but, in red states, anyway, I think you're cooked. Organic woman aren't going to drop this, for a looooooooong time, as far as I can see."
    -Hate

    So then apparently you agree that these ridiculous restrictions that are being put on the trans community by the MAGA Republican ideology will be useless against the crimes they supposedly seek to eradicate?

    But you're still all in favor of laws being founded on baseless paranoia and absolute fiction?

    You're a piece of work there Bill.


  32. by Ponderer on May 6, 2023 5:04 pm

    "[And because it was "an issue of safety". And because "I don't want my wife or daughter having to use the same plumbing as one of them there....... coloreds.]" -Hate (in all actuality)


  33. by Hunter28 on May 7, 2023 2:27 am
    Ponderer wrote:

    How often does a man dress like a woman and pretend to be trans while accosting some woman or girl in a rest room?

    Good question. It does not happen very often – at this time.

    I don’t know whether many communities have laws stipulating who may or may not enter a Men’s restroom or a Women’s restroom. But I think there’s another reason we rarely see men enter female-only spaces such as restrooms. It’s just assumed that men will not enter. It’s such an ingrained cultural norm that any man who enters a women’s restroom will be shouted at and shamed. Police will be called. Names will be shared on Facebook. Slaps will be administered. I don’t think many men would dare walk into a women’s restroom, bathroom, locker room, spa or other female-only space because they know what the reaction would be. That creates a strong barrier preventing men from entering a restroom.

    However, if you create a law that allows male bodies (genuine trans women or sexual predators pretending to be trans women) to freely enter female restrooms, that cultural norm will be shattered and that barrier will no longer exist.


    Do we need to make ski masks illegal because robbers use them to commit crimes with? Should we make knives illegal because people use them to stab others?

    I’m not sure I understand your point, but I will address the questions.

    At most banks there are signs requesting that customers remove ski masks, large hats or other items that obscure their appearance. Banks can legally refuse service to anyone who fails to comply. It is, in effect, a ban.

    Last year, I attended a baseball game at Oakland Coliseum. As I entered, my bags were searched and I walked through a metal detector. I was carrying a 2-1/2 inch pocket knife, which was confiscated.

    Neither knives nor ski masks are illegal, but they can be banned from certain places, and for good reason.


    And again, you are calling for a specific minority to be deprived of their civil rights and pay for something that none of them are guilty of! And we're just supposed to accept it?

    I have seen estimates that between 96% and 99% of sex crimes are committed by men, and much of that violence is directed at women. Women are vulnerable because they are smaller and weaker than men. When they urinate, they have to undress in a way that men do not. This is why we have safe spaces for females.

    Allowing male bodies into female-only spaces eliminates their expectation of safety and takes away their civil rights.


    But we're supposed to quietly and humbly let you take away or civil rights and force us into horrifically embarrassing and even life threatening situations every time we need to use a public bathroom???

    You seem to understand that violence can occur in public restrooms, yet you only seem to be concerned about violence directed at trans women, not the other 165 million women in America.

    Can’t you understand that women who were born female might be horrifically embarrassed or might face life-threatening situations in a restroom that men can freely enter?

    What about their civil rights?


    What is then going to stop any man who is a sexual deviant intent on committing a sex crime from dressing like a woman and going into a women's room to sexually assault women anyways?

    I already addressed that earlier. There are currently cultural norms that make it unlikely many men would risk entering female-only spaces. But allowing any man who self-identifies as trans to enter women’s restrooms would eliminate that barrier and make it much easier for those sex crimes to occur.


  34. by HatetheSwamp on May 7, 2023 3:50 am

    Wow, 28. Remarkably cogent.

    Thanks!


  35. by Ponderer on May 7, 2023 7:41 am

    Hunter, you seem to keep focusing on this issue of penises being in a woman's rest room. In all this, it seems that the person behind that penis is absolutely irrelevant to you. I am sad to learn that we are nothing more than the constituency of our parts to you and that that is all we should be in the sight of the law.

    You want to keep citing statistics about men who commit sex crimes when that statistic is absolutely irrelevant to trans-women. Trans-women, who may or may not have penises, are not the "men with penises" committing sex crimes. And as I will apparently need to eternally keep pointing out, even if we are barred from using all public women's rest rooms, it will not stop any man who wants to wear a dress and go into a women's rest room and commit sex crimes.


    Let's say that your wife or girlfriend goes into a public restroom and there is a beautiful woman in there also. Should that woman be legally allowed in there with her? If she doesn't have a penis, yes. But if she does have a penis, no? Should all women need to prove that they don't have a penis before entering a ladies room? These laws kinda make that necessary you know.

    How is your wife or girlfriend going to even know that she is actually a trans-woman, let alone whether or not she has a penis, so that she can then be terrified by her? Let's say that the beautiful woman washing her hands next to your wife or girlfriend (Please excuse me for assuming that you are a straight man all this time) actually does have a penis. Your wife/girlfriend can't see it. She doesn't even know it's there. Please tell me how that penis is a threat to her. Please tell me how my penis has ever been a threat to any woman in a woman's rest room.

    These laws are not only ignorantly constructed and absolutely unworkable, but they would put a totally unnecessary and dangerous burden on my entire community simply to placate a tiny few people's unwarranted and baseless, bigoted, ignorant paranoia about crimes that we never commit.


    What is then going to stop any man who is a sexual deviant intent on committing a sex crime from dressing like a woman and going into a women's room to sexually assault women anyways? -me

    "There are currently cultural norms that make it unlikely many men would risk entering female-only spaces. But allowing any man who self-identifies as trans to enter women’s restrooms would eliminate that barrier and make it much easier for those sex crimes to occur." -Hunter

    So again... my whole community must pay for crimes that we are not committing by having our civil rights taken away, while doing so will in no way stop or in any way hinder the ones who are actually committing the crimes our sacrifice is intended to stop...?




    How in the name of all that is cogent and logical does that make any sense at all?




    Trans women who use public restrooms are absolutely no physical, real, legitimate, fact based threat to other women in those restrooms whatsoever. Our being barred from those restrooms will in no way at all lessen any physical, real, legitimate, fact based threat to women that the ones who are actually committing these crimes pose.

    But if this law is imposed, start watching for stories of trans-women being assaulted in the public men's rooms they are forced to use unless they are willing to break the law. Just as any cis woman like your wife, girlfriend, daughter, mother, sister, aunt, grandmother, or niece might be in those same men's restrooms.

    But apparently that is a small and totally inconsequential price to pay for the ones who are making these laws.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on May 7, 2023 7:59 am

    These laws are not only ignorantly constructed and absolutely unworkable, but they would put a totally unnecessary and dangerous burden on my entire community...

    And, that comports with what 28 and pb are saying to you.

    Clearly, the reality is that, by the week, more and more of these bills become law.

    At this point, the onus is on you to create law that ain't "ignorantly constructed and absolutely unworkable."
    I often mock you for claiming that we live in a democracy. Baha. One thing the two of us agree on is that ours is to be a nation "of the people, by the people and for the people."

    Stop with your effin hate speech. Offer solutions that ain't ignernt and unworkable that people can support and comply with.

    All you supporters of the trans political agenda ever do is insult people who think differently than you...and, complain.

    That ain't workin. It won't work.


  37. by Ponderer on May 7, 2023 9:16 am

    "Stop with your effin hate speech. Offer solutions that ain't ignernt and unworkable that people can support and comply with." -Hate

    There was nothing wrong with the way things have been from the start. It wasn't until bigoted MAGA Republican politicians and like-minded pundits decided that wantonly and baselessly bashing the trans community and viciously and erroneously terrorizing the population about us would be good for their polling numbers.

    Apparently you must agree with the notion that if MAGA Republicans can just use enough lies and bullshit to cause their gullible electorate to become baselessly paranoid of us and that only some MAGA Republican politician can save them from a threat that we do not pose, then we should simply accept laws being passed against us based on those baseless lies and bullshit.

    You can't seem to comprehend the disgustingly evil hatred towards us that these laws constitute. I am under no obligation to react to them with kindness and acceptance, much as you would like me to.

    So you expect me to believe that if we only react to these laws with kindness that they will be struck down?


  38. by HatetheSwamp on May 7, 2023 9:41 am

    You can't seem to comprehend the disgustingly evil hatred towards us that these laws constitute.

    So far as I tell tell, no one thinks of any of these laws in terms of hating you...at least, the "fascistic and disgusting" MAGA Republican "Christian theocrats." The anti-TQ LGBs do seem to hate you...A LOT, though. But, the laws aren't about hating you. They're about protecting organic woman.

    I am under no obligation to react to them with kindness and acceptance, much as you would like me to.

    Think back a year. How effin far has the trans political agenda fallen...how many new laws!!!!!? Project another year into the future.

    Yeah. You can feel justified to rage and insult and hate. But, in this "nation of the people, by the people and for the people," you'd be wise to act constructively.


  39. by Ponderer on May 7, 2023 9:50 am

    "The anti-TQ LGBs do seem to hate you...A LOT, though." -Hate

    As a few gays, lesbians, and bisexuals have for decades. That tiny minority has always been there. So what? What makes that minuscule portion of the population that has always existed so tremendously important all of a sudden? The fact that they are now hitting some stupid trans hate website with "likes"?

    Get real, Bill. You got nuthin'.


  40. by HatetheSwamp on May 7, 2023 11:34 am

    po,

    I reeeeeeeeeeeally don't think that this small mountain of anti-TQ laws passed suddenly and in the wink of an eye can be attributed solely to the influence of MAGA Republican "Christian theocrats" who've been around for a looooooooong time.

    I think you're doing the ostrich thing. Still, there's really nothing that you can do, apparently. The political fortunes of you woke trans people are declining rapidly...and seem to be content to deal in hate-speech.


  41. by Ponderer on May 7, 2023 12:16 pm

    "I reeeeeeeeeeeally don't think that this small mountain of anti-TQ laws passed suddenly and in the wink of an eye can be attributed solely to the influence of MAGA Republican "Christian theocrats" who've been around for a looooooooong time." -Hate

    Well... while that may be technically correct, they still had a huge influence on, and in many cases as a part of MAGA Republican led state governments passing them

    What... You think that DeSantis is passing all these hateful anti-trans laws because of GAG???


  42. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 5:30 am

    po,

    DeSantis is SIGNING bills passed by the Florida legislature because DeSantis and the Florida GOP party is big into social conservatism.

    Your MAGA hate is a good thing for GOPs and conservatives. MAGA ain't crazy into biffy laws. GOP social conservatives are. Remember. The GOP is the home of openness and acceptance and tolerance and diversity, inclusion...and, effin FREEDOM.

    From our perspective, I think that it's probably a good thing that woke progressives such as yourself allow your rationality to be paralyzed by your hate.

    You wanna know why, out of the blue, all these bills suddenly are being passed into law? It's not the MAGA Republicans. It's that you and the trans-philes who agree with you, provide no intelligent opposition.

    You throw temper tantrums and pitch hissies and stomp your feet and say nothing at all that is intelligent.

    You call everyday white suburban people "Christian theocrats" when they're simply typical Gen Y and Z, very secular people, or Jews, or Muslims, who only want what's best for their kids and grandkids...and, an increasingly large number are LGBs who are socially conservative.

    MAGA rallies aren't gatherings where people come to talk about bathrooms. They talk about Ukraine. They talk about the corruption of the Swamp. In fact, they are gatherings where they call Ron DeSantis and his supporters EFFIN rinos.

    So, please. Fire up your rage. Fire at the wrong target. Soon, then, those anti-trans laws will not only be passed in red states. But, purple states, too.

    Maybe Arizona.


  43. by Ponderer on May 8, 2023 5:43 am

    "The GOP is the home of openness and acceptance and tolerance and diversity, inclusion...and, effin FREEDOM." -Hate

    Except towards transgender people. In which case you are closed minded, intolerant, anti-diversity exclusionists and we can go pee behind a dumpster somewhere and have our young taken away from their parents by the state.

    Please go fuckk yourself Bill. I swear to God you and your delusionally sociopathic party of hate-filled, bigoted fascists seriously need to quit fuckking up American and go fuckk yourselves.


  44. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 6:13 am

    No, po.

    Caitlyn Jenner, and the ease with which she operates at Fox News, of all places, proves you wrong. Jaimee Michell is a rabid supporter of Ron DeSantis. No one at all even thinks about the fact that they are T and L.

    YOU and yours are the exclusionists.

    I don't really understand where your radical progessivism and wokeness come from but, if you could put that aside, you'd receive acceptance...in a heartbeat.

    It's your politics, not that you are trans, that separates the two of us...and, as far as I can tell, makes you so d@ng angry and hateful.

    If you can handle openness and acceptance, inclusion, diversity, tolerance and freedom, you are welcome over here any time. The door's open.


  45. by Ponderer on May 8, 2023 6:30 am

    Fuckk you, Bill.


  46. by islander on May 8, 2023 7:03 am

    Againthe Republican bathroom obsession is “Much ado about nothing”. It’s just another tactic to appeal to the emotions of their base in order to stir up resentment and anger against another group of people, and right now trans are an easy target. There has been a cultural change going on (for the better) that’s been taking place in our society’s attitude towards blacks, gays, and women. We’re now seeing the same changes starting to take place with regard to transsexuals, and those same Republicans we are talking about don’t like it. Fear is the weapon of choice for manipulating their base, and in this case they have to convince people that if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman’s rest room, men will also be allowed to come in and likely assault them.

    Like I said, in some states and localities it is illegal for a man to enter a woman’s restroom and even where there is no “law on the books” a man entering a woman’s rest room for no reason would create quite a fuss and he would be be asked to leave. 



    That’s the reality of it.



    In order to assault a woman a man could try dressing up as a woman but he’d have a very difficult time sexually assaulting a woman in a public restroom...Unless there were no other people in the rest room or in the area, In which case it would be a waste of time and there would be no need for him to dress like or pretend to be a woman in order to assault the lone woman in such an isolated a rest room, and such an assault would have nothing to do with trans women using the restroom.

    “If” people were really that afraid of a trans woman “in transition” using the restroom, it would be easy enough to issue these women a medical card stating that fact.

    And, as I said, we’re seeing more and more unisex or “family restrooms” together with the standard men’s and woman’s restrooms for anyone uncomfortable in one of the other restrooms. We have two in my house and have never had any problems.😀



  47. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 8:17 am

    Again the Republican bathroom obsession is “Much ado about nothing”. It’s just another tactic to appeal to the emotions of their base in order to stir up resentment and anger against another group of people, and right now trans are an easy target.

    That's not what I'm seeing.

    What I am seeing, though, is that this is a rare moment when my side is winning the rhetorical battle. Trans people like po and Donna are spewing hate. And, trans-philes such as yourself are disrespecting people who hold opinions different than your own. I hope, isle, that you don't expect to win over anyone already opposed to the trans political agenda with that attitude. Nor, are independents/moderates moved by sanctimony.

    Suddenly, these laws are being passed in droves for several reasons. One is that my side is winning the rhetorical battle.

    Otoh,

    ...we’re seeing more and more unisex or “family restrooms” together with the standard men’s and woman’s restrooms for anyone uncomfortable in one of the other restrooms.


    And, actually, that's been a point I've been making. The trans people don't offer practical solutions, not on SS anyway. 28 is saying that, too.

    po's argument, essentially, is "If I don't get what I want, my "Civil Rights" are being violated. And, the rest of you can just go to h€ll."

    I do agree that what you suggest makes a lot of sense. But, from what I can see, supporters of the trans political agenda, for the most part, only want to win.


  48. by Ponderer on May 8, 2023 8:36 am

    "Fear is the weapon of choice for manipulating their base, and in this case they have to convince people that if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman’s rest room, men will also be allowed to come in and likely assault them." -Isle

    You get it. You get how heinously immoral what they are doing to us is, don't you, Isle. It's completely obvious to anyone who approaches this topic with an open and tolerant mind what MAGA Republicans are doing here. Not to mention how this is a tried and true tactic of power-hungry authoritarians for centuries. Demonize some helpless minority and blame whatever real or hallucinatory threats your population is suffering from, or can be brainwashed into thinking they are suffering from, and then declare yourself the only cure for the problem 'cuz you're gonna make that minority pay.

    These flaming pig-ignorant lemmings are being willfully led to be terrified of the imaginary threat that some sexual predator who fully intends to go into some public ladies room and commit some violent sexual felony against a woman, perhaps even while wearing a dress as a disguise, is going to be prevented from doing so by saying to himself, "Curses! I can't go through with my plan now! It's illegal for me in this state to go into that ladies room, even with a dress on!".

    The flabbergastingly demented absurdity of their paranoia completely and totally eludes them.





  49. by Ponderer on May 8, 2023 9:22 am

    Bill, I'll see your Jaimee Michell and raise you a James Baldwin:

    "We can disagree and still love each other, unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist"



  50. by islander on May 8, 2023 9:41 am
    Hate writes:

    ”That's not what I'm seeing” and
    ”What I am seeing” and ”But, from what I can see”

    With regard to Ponderer and Donna, from what I see, you are pretending not to see what they are saying, or should I say refusing to see, and then twisting what they say to suit your agenda which is to bait them in order to anger them and then call them haters for expressing their justified anger at your taunts.


  51. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 9:53 am

    "Fear is the weapon of choice for manipulating their base, and in this case they have to convince people that if a trans woman is allowed to use a woman’s rest room, men will also be allowed to come in and likely assault them." -Isle

    You get it. You get how heinously immoral what they are doing to us is, don't you, Isle. It's completely obvious to anyone who approaches this topic with an open and tolerant mind what MAGA Republicans are doing here. -po


    Here's how I know you are wrong.

    No organic female I know had to be convinced by Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump to be concerned about the possibility of being assaulted in a biffy in which organic males who merely say that they are trans...and still have nuts...can enter.

    I follow right-wing media and politicians. This started with the organic women...

    ...on their own. By themselves.


  52. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 10:03 am

    With regard to Ponderer and Donna, from what I see, you are pretending not to see what they are saying, or should I say refusing to see, and then twisting what they say to suit your agenda which is to bait them in order to anger them and then call them haters for expressing their justified anger at your taunts. -isle

    For example?...


  53. by islander on May 8, 2023 10:08 am

    Non sequitur,
    See post # 46


  54. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 10:12 am

    Oli London (detransitioning trans woman and anti-TQ LGB activist)

    "Women’s Swimming Champion @Riley_Gaines_ has called on female athletes to boycott competing against Trans players.

    Riley has said the only way to bring back fairness in sport is to:

    “have girls who, when the whistle blows, they don't run, they don't swim. They stand up on the block and they don't go.”

    Riley, who has been one of the leading voices in protecting women’s sports told Fox News:

    “How many girls have to be injured playing against a male, how many girls have to lose out on scholarships and trophies and titles? How many girls have to feel violated in the locker room?”
    twitter.com


  55. by HatetheSwamp on May 8, 2023 10:19 am

    Quite honestly, I think that making this a (MAGA) Republican thing is off based. I'm following the politics of the trans political agenda.

    Clearly, the days of Pat Robertson, Moral Majority homophobic opposition to trans people are long gone.

    I've been posting with po and Donna longer than you. I understand what they are saying. I absolutely disagree with them, fully understanding them...and taking them very seriously.


  56. by islander on May 8, 2023 11:32 am

    Your posts regarding trans athletes competing in sports are non sequiturs. My position on trans athletes competing is the same as Poderer's and Donna's. If you have been reading their posts and understanding them you'd know that.

    If you disagree with our position explain your position.

    See the link for my position.
    selectsmart.com


  57. by Ponderer on May 8, 2023 12:23 pm

    Exactly, Isle. Bill doesn't remember that both Donna and I agree with Jenner on her opinion of transwomen athletes.

    But it's still something that he likes throwing in our faces. He has so little else to attack us with, he just can't let that go.


  58. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 3:04 am

    I remember well, isle, that pt and po...and you...and I, all oppose the trans political agenda's support of biological males competing in women's sports.

    But, po and pt...and YOU...support the trans political agenda, which is vulnerable at three points, one of which is women's sports. T'other two are the bathrooms and the "grooming" of children in public schools.

    All three of you are on board with the trans political agenda...with one minor proviso.

    That ain't workin with America no more.


  59. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 3:06 am

    Bill doesn't remember that both Donna and I agree with Jenner on her opinion of transwomen athletes.

    No, po. I recall. But your political support of the trans agenda remains vehement and vicious.


  60. by islander on May 9, 2023 5:01 am

    Hate wrote:
    "But, po and pt...and YOU...support the trans political agenda"

    We do indeed support the "Trans Agenda" but not your sick and distorted mischaracterization of it. We've been over this with you before Hate, and you're getting a bit tiresome...see post 26 and/or click the link.
    transequality.org


  61. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 5:40 am

    I can't find anything enumerated #26. I can't open your link.

    Could you copy and paste, please?


  62. by islander on May 9, 2023 8:14 am


    Sorry, should have put the thread. Cutting through the BS and assorted disinformation about transgenderism

    ==========================================

    26. by islander on April 22, 2023 10:57 am

    If anybody wants to engage in a sincere and reasonable discussion about the trans agenda, click the link for a clear explanation of exactly what it is.

    ================================

    You responded:

    ”I appreciate you finding the transequality.org material for us. It certainly should be considered. It is, clearly, however, only part of the equation. We shouldn't, for a moment, think otherwise.”


    If the link doesn't work for you now try googling A TRANSGENDER LOCAL AGENDA.


  63. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 8:21 am

    My phone still won't open it. Do YOU UNDERSTAND how to copy and paste!!!!!?

    Quit playin games!


  64. by islander on May 9, 2023 8:27 am

    I'll repeat..."If the link doesn't work for you now try googling A TRANSGENDER LOCAL AGENDA."

    I said "try googling "TRANSGENDER LOCAL AGENDA." that is not a link.




  65. by HatetheSwamp on May 10, 2023 3:46 am

    So, I get to this:

    https://transequality.org/about-transgender


  66. by Ponderer on May 12, 2023 4:10 pm

    Did you check out either of those websites, Bill? Either of the two sites I linked to below, one of which you found?

    Would you consider them examples of what you refer to as "the trans political agenda" that you sanctimoniously whine about being foisted on your mommies and dadas and peepaws and geemas and moopees or whatever cutesy nicknames you want to employ?

    Are these sites representative to you of the transgender political agenda?




    transequality.org
    transequality.org


  67. by Ponderer on May 13, 2023 6:09 am

    Seriously, Bill. I need to know if those are examples of what you think The Transgender Political Agenda is all about.

    And if you don't think that they are, please link us to a website of an organization that you believe does represent The Transgender Political Agenda. This society-destroying agenda that you and all the other rabid anti-trans torch and pitchfork carriers have their hair on fire about.

    (HINT: It won't be some Twitter page)

    If you can't do so, you need to stop pulling bullshit out of your ass and foisting it onto this forum like it's a real thing and not just some group delusion fed to ignorant, gullible people who can be easily controlled by fear of some terrifying boogy man.


  68. by HatetheSwamp on May 13, 2023 6:57 am

    Seriously, Bill. I need to know if those are examples of what you think The Transgender Political Agenda is all about.

    For the gazillionth time, no. Of course not.

    What they are, are the points of the trans political agenda that has old-school Title IX feminists and the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their children, on the warpath...fighting AGAINST YOU. They are motivating the passage of those anti-trans laws...

    The emerging and increasingly influential anti-TQ LGB groups and activists are another problem for y'nes.


  69. by islander on May 13, 2023 8:01 am

    Ponderer,

    Like we and everyone else here knows, Hate is using the Gossip Strategy of spreading lies or misinformation.

    Quote “someone else” saying they saw Joe’s wife going into a motel with another man. When this story spreads and it gets back to to the gossiper, he can deny ever saying such a thing!! 

He was only quoting what someone else said and he was only looking out for Joe, since, should it be true, Joe would probably want to know in case he wants to do something about it.



  70. by oldedude on May 13, 2023 8:09 am
    Kinda like Russia building "cities" for the non woke in Russia....


  71. by HatetheSwamp on May 13, 2023 9:04 am

    I dunno, isle. In the real world, just this year, is it 20 states that have passed anti-trans laws?, with more in the pipeline.

    This all started on SS with mention of the fact that all these BILLS were under consideration. Since then, many of those bills have become law.

    I think that none of what I'm reporting is gossip.


  72. by Ponderer on May 13, 2023 5:42 pm

    "For the gazillionth time, no. Of course not.

    What they are, are the points of the trans political agenda that has old-school Title IX feminists and the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their children, on the warpath...fighting AGAINST YOU."
    -Hate

    That's what those two sites that I linked to are? Those two websites that I have re-linked to for you again below?

    I ask, because there is nothing in either of those two wonderful websites that anyone should have any problems with and nothing in them interferes with anyone's parenting or grandparenting in any way whatsoever by any stretch of a sane imagination.

    Could you perhaps quote anything from either of those two websites that you believe is causing fascist laws to be enacted by the hundreds in red states? Or should I just continue believing in full confidence that you haven't got the vaguest idea what the bloody fukk you're talking about?


    transequality.org
    transequality.org


  73. by Ponderer on May 13, 2023 5:44 pm

    "This all started on SS with mention of the fact that all these BILLS were under consideration. Since then, many of those bills have become law.
    "
    -Hate

    Uh... Bill... I think you are giving SelectSmart a bit more credit fo public sway than I think it legitimately has coming.


  74. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 3:57 am

    Yeah, isle, our SS trans-phile-in-chief, grooves on transequality.org, too.

    What transequality.org is, is the trans community wearing its Sunday go to meetin best, but the the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

    From transequality.org:

    59% of trans students have been denied access to restrooms consistent with their gender identity. Rather than focusing on their education, many students struggle for the ability to come to school and be themselves without being punished for wearing clothes or using facilities consistent with who they are. Some are denied opportunities to go on field trips or participate in sports.

    Even trying to appear as mainstream as possible, transequality.org crosses those old-school Title IX feminists and them there mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids and grandkids the way they want them raised.

    Transes...i.e., biological males playing women's sports.

    Biological males being able to pee in the girls' restroom, which "opens the door" for any kids with nuts to say, "I'm trans," and entering the girls' private domain.


    po,

    Do you know what Libs of TikTok is? It's a site that provides videos of actual trans people and trans-philes being disgusting. It has 2.1 million followers.

    As often as not, it's real life videos of trans or trans-philes grooming or advocating grooming. About, say, half of what's on GAG is the same...real life trans people and trans-philes being disgusting, promoting everything that the mommies and daddies, nannas and pappaps fear goes on in public schools with trans people...

    ...effin PROVING that their fears are justified.

    So, when you lie and say that grooming never happens, we know that you lie. Period.

    We see examples of real life trans people, but mostly trans-philes, manipulating really young, vulnerable children.

    What would help your cause is for you...and a majority of trans people...to admit that what's on Libs of TikTok and GAG is real then to add:

    1. This is a minority of the trans and trans-phile communities.
    2. I am more against that behavior than the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps are...

    ...and, of course, you'd have to be effin believable.

    But, you don't do that...

    ...presumably, because you actually are cool with the sort of grooming and recruiting that Libs of TikTok, et.al., reveal pret'near every day.

    Tell me that I'm wrong.


    BTW, the link is to something Megyn Kelly found that hit the mainstream and was retweeted by Libs of TikTok. It's evidence of the increasingly effective network of people and groups opposed to the trans political agenda...

    ...as it shows preaching and grooming of very, very young children by advocates of the trans political agenda.

    twitter.com


  75. by islander on May 14, 2023 4:59 am

    🤣 Hate writes:

    ”So, when you lie and say that grooming never happens, we know that you lie. Period.

    We see examples of real life trans people, but mostly trans-philes, manipulating really young, vulnerable children.”
    <---Weasel words






    ”Do you actually believe that kind of BS and assorted disinformation about transgenderism put out by GAG and spread by you and others like you ?” ~isle

    Hate also writes:

    ”Since I'm not suggesting that trans people groom, none apply to what I think...as far as trans people are concerned.” ~ Hate <---More weasel words along with a contradiction !! LoL


  76. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 5:36 am

    Re: Weasel words.

    Yet, still, more anti-trans laws are being passed each week, with more in the pipeline.

    isle,

    I'd discuss the issue of trans grooming with you if you could be rational. I've said along that trans people operate a sort of underground railroad leading people into the trans life.

    Remember? Oy, did that really pi$$ Donna off!!!!!? But, is that organized grooming in the way you think about it?

    What you see on Libs of TikTok and GAG and LGB and from numerous anti-TQ LGB activists, though, is, mostly, people like yourself: white, suburban, well-meaning, principled, progressive, limousine liberal trans-philes recruiting/grooming effeminate little boys and tomboy little girls to think they're trans.

    In SS terms? Do I think po and Donna groom little children? But, I think that you might.


  77. by islander on May 14, 2023 5:51 am

    "I've said along that trans people operate a sort of underground railroad leading people into the trans life." ~ Hate

    You don't seem to realize what a fool you are making of yourself here on SS (trolls like you usually do).

    You've also claimed that you don't believe the stuff you are now claiming to believe...You say you are just like a journalist reporting what 'others' are saying.

    Just like we can see through Trump...We can see through you as well, Hate.


  78. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 6:49 am

    Nuance, isle, has always been your Achilles heel.

    You are a white, suburban, woke, progressive, limousine liberal True Believer. You're heart. No head.

    It's impossible to have a rational conversation with you about substantial issues.


  79. by oldedude on May 14, 2023 7:03 am
    I thought Isle said he was in Israel/Palestine working with pregnant women doing ultrasounds...


  80. by Ponderer on May 14, 2023 7:30 am

    So from what you are saying, Bill, it appears that you believe that what is going on in that Tik Tok site you jack-off to so often is not only an example of The Trans Political Agenda, but you are also asserting that those appearing on that site are a cryptic arm of transequality.org and other transgender support and information sites who just don't want to be associated with them. That is what you essentially just said.

    You think that just because there are vile and inappropriate actions being perpetrated by a microscopic portion of the trans community who are "grooming" kids that therefore all transgender support and information sites actually agree with them and are secretly on board with it as "The Trans Political Agenda"?

    You are simply wrong, Bill. The two are in no way connected except in your warped, bigoted, deranged mind.



    What would help your cause is for you...and a majority of trans people...to admit that what's on Libs of TikTok and GAG is real then to add:

    1. This is a minority of the trans and trans-phile communities.
    2. I am more against that behavior than the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps are..."
    -Hate

    *sigh*

    A huge part of my argument against your propaganda has been stating that you are talking about a tiny microscopic minority of the trans community and that I also in no way whatsoever approve of anyone "grooming" children into becoming trans. No matter how infinitesimally small a portion of the population it is who are doing it.

    But hey, I understand that it is incumbent upon my entire community to stand up and make a huge public rebuttal against the lies and bullshit MAGA Republican propaganda you flog and support and share in here. While you are of course under no obligations whatsoever to stop fukking lying about us publicly. So yeah, lemme get right to work getting a majority of the transgender community to appear online and say what you want them to say. 🙄


    ...and, of course, you'd have to be effin believable." -Hate

    Well fukk, Bill! Why don't you just cut the crap and tell me it's impossible for us to do anything that would help? You bigoted assholes have no intention of ever believing anything we'd ever say no matter how heartfelt and sincere and supported by facts and evidence we were. There is absolutely nothing any trans people could ever do or say at this point, given the way the MAGA Republican propaganda machine has totally poisoned the discourse with its lies, that would ever result in you ever believing us and you fukking know it. What a pathetic thing for you to throw out there. You really do got nothing.


    This is about nothing but bigoted, sociopathic conservatives and religious zealots feeding their bigotry and repression of a minority who they don't like having to share the country with. It's about the MAGA Republican Political Agenda of "eradicating" us. Period.

    It has no more to do with the safety of children to them than the antisemitism of past centuries had anything to do with Jews grinding up children's bones to make their stew with. If there are a few miscreants abusing children, then arrest them and lock them away. Please! We do not support what they are doing. Transequality.org does not support what they are doing. These misguided individuals not only DON'T represent my community, but they sure as hell aren't going to be stopped by me and the rest of my community being kept from using the proper public restrooms and being legally rendered persona non grata.


    Children's safety my ass, Bill. You and your MAGA Republican mammies and pappies and googoos and gahgahs are screaming bloody murder about drag queens reading children's stories to kids in libraries and the microscopic minority of the trans community who allegedly abuse children, while actively protecting and defending laws that make guns the number one cause of death of children in this country.

    You wanna talk about children's safety???

    Where are the hundreds of MAGA Republican laws being rushed to Congress to protect children's safety by reversing psychotic guns laws that result in a constantly never ending stream of children being blown to pieces in their classrooms? The only rushing the MAGA Republicans in Congress have been doing is to stop any laws from passing that would actually help increase children's safety.

    Why are the thousands of kids being butchered in classrooms so contrarily different to you and the rest of the MAGA Republicans? Why do so many MAGA Republican mamas and dadas and googoos and gahgahs want those children to keep on dying? Why don't they give a damn about them? Why don't these children rate as much "protection" as the children who are listening to a drag queen read My Little Pony to them do?

    Why are you and the MAGA Republican party so existentially intent on making sure that thousands of kids keep on being slaughtered annually, while lighting your hair on fire about practically non-existent "grooming" by rogue trans "activists"?

    You declare that you are all about child safety as you hype the livingshit out of the 180,547th most common form of child abuse, while absolutely ignoring and blowing off the #1 cause of preventable childhood death in this country.

    You fukking immoral, sociopathic MAGA REpublican hypocrites make me fukking puke.


  81. by islander on May 14, 2023 8:01 am

    Hate wrote: "Nuance, isle, has always been your Achilles heel"

    🤣 Everyone here knows the difference between "nuance" and the weasel words and outright lies that you post here Hate! What you try to call your nuance is lacking in any subtlety whatsoever. When you get caught using weasel words and outright lying, you try to hide behind the word nuance! Guess what! We can all see you hiding there !! LoL !!!



  82. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 8:29 am

    So from what you are saying, Bill, it appears that you believe that what is going on in that Tik Tok site you jack-off to so often is not only an example of The Trans Political Agenda, but you are also asserting that those appearing on that site are a cryptic arm of transequality.org and other transgender support and information sites who just don't want to be associated with them. That is what you essentially just said.

    Wow. No.

    BTW, it's a Twitter site about what appears on TikTok.

    I believe...because Libs of TikTok presents videos of real life trans-philes and trans people...that recruiting and grooming of young children takes place. That's it. No conspiracies. Just real life people doing what they do...

    ...and, without a doubt, TQs and trans-philes are out there, among children, many in public schools, in a creepy way, encouraging effeminate little boys and tomboy little girls to think they are living in the wrong body...and that they should take powerful drugs...and have life-changing surgery...while they're children.

    You think that just because there are vile and inappropriate actions being perpetrated by a microscopic portion of the trans community who are "grooming" kids that therefore all transgender support and information sites actually agree with them and are secretly on board with it as "The Trans Political Agenda"?

    No. I am noting that you used to suggest that no grooming takes place. I'm saying that it does, that Libs of TikTok proves it, as do GAG and other LGB groups and activists.

    I don't know what to think about that but I do know that, within the LGBTQ community itself, there's a heated argument about that and that many LGBs these days want nuthin to do with TQs.

    This is about nothing but bigoted, sociopathic conservatives and religious zealots feeding their bigotry and repression of a minority who they don't like having to share the country with. It's about the MAGA Republican Political Agenda of "eradicating" us. Period.

    Obviously not.

    Until recent months, none of those anti-trans laws were passed. Now, they're all the rage and it's not only you MAGA Republican "fascistic and disgusting" "Christian theocrats" who are attending rallies and speaking at school board meetings. It's that three headed monster that I mention...

    ...including old-school Title IX feminists and anti-TQ LGBs.

    Don't miss the point ol pb is making. This is about the demise of woke culture. Caitlyn Jenner is the best known transgender person in the effin world. Jenner gets along well in the world.

    Jaimee Michell is quickly becoming the darling of right-wing media. It won't surprise me if, by the time 024 Primaries and Caucuses fire up?, she's been hired as a Fox News contributor, like Jenner was.

    Your problem in America in 023, po, is not that you're trans. It's your politics. It's that you are woke. Wildly progressive. Big Brother. Anti Bill of Rights.

    Jaimee Michell and that gay Guy Curt never heard of are waaaaaaay more conservative than is ol pb. And, they participate in politics in a constructive manner.

    You and other supporters of the woke trans political agenda are in deep doodoo, at least until you find a message that ain't hate.

    That's what I'm saying.


  83. by Ponderer on May 14, 2023 8:43 am

    "I believe...because Libs of TikTok presents videos of real life trans-philes and trans people...that recruiting and grooming of young children takes place." _Hate

    On a level that justifies hundreds of laws being enacted designed to strip my entire community of our constitutionally protected civil rights...?


    "...and, without a doubt, TQs and trans-philes are out there, among children, many in public schools, in a creepy way, encouraging effeminate little boys and tomboy little girls to think they are living in the wrong body...and that they should take powerful drugs...and have life-changing surgery...while they're children. " -Hate

    On a level that justifies hundreds of laws being enacted designed to strip my entire community of our constitutionally protected civil rights...?


    "No. I am noting that you used to suggest that no grooming takes place. I'm saying that it does, that Libs of TikTok proves it, as do GAG and other LGB groups and activists." -Hate

    On a level that justifies hundreds of laws being enacted designed to strip my entire community of our constitutionally protected civil rights...?


    "Until recent months, none of those anti-trans laws were passed. Now, they're all the rage" -Hate

    Right. Because right wing, conservative, religious zealot MAGA Republican politicians decided they could blow the topic out of all proportion and weaponize it to rally votes. And their gullible MAGA Republican electorate happily obliged.


    "Your problem in America in 023, po, is not that you're trans. It's your politics. It's that you are woke. Wildly progressive. Big Brother. Anti Bill of Rights." -Hate

    And your problem is not just that you are a bigot against trans people, It's that your MAGA Republican Political Agenda is to eradicate my community out of existence.


  84. by islander on May 14, 2023 8:57 am
    "You and other supporters of the woke trans political agenda are in deep doodoo, at least until you find a message that ain't hate.

    There ya go again with your weasel words Hate. Will you ever be able to grasp just how much you discredit your integrity when you resort to this type of hate speech?

    I can see why you chose the name "Hate the Swamp"...Swamp of course being simply another of your weasel words!


  85. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 9:21 am

    On a level that justifies hundreds of laws being enacted designed to strip my entire community of our constitutionally protected civil rights...?

    You keep saying that. I'm pretty into the Bill of Rights. What "constitutionally protected civil rights?"

    What Libs of TikTok does is prove that mostly white, suburban, woke, progressive limousine liberal trans-philes and some trans people believe some absurd things about gender and that they will do anything they can to subvert the authority of parents in public school students' lives.

    Libs of TikTok does it one wacko at a time. Who knows how many of those people there are but, as long as your side pretends that doesn't happen?, you lose...because there's no denying it. Your position is unsupportable.

    Right. Because right wing, conservative, religious zealot MAGA Republican politicians decided they could blow the topic out of all proportion and weaponize it to rally votes. And their gullible MAGA Republican electorate happily obliged.

    And, you think this is how your side is going to thrive in this "nation of the people, by the people and for the people?" Fine.

    And your problem is not just that you are a bigot against trans people,...

    No. I wish you well.

    I'm noting, though, the existence of that three headed monster and that the momentum has shifted away from the trans political agenda.

    For myself, while I absolutely wish you well personally, I sympathize with the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their children without woke, Big Brother intrusion, and with the old-school Title IX feminists. I'm fascinated by the politically conservative LGBs like that gay Guy Curt never heard of and Jaimee Michell. Those unwoke LGBs are just getting started but, in a year or two, you woke people in the LGBTQ community are going to have your hands full.


  86. by Ponderer on May 14, 2023 11:49 am

    "You keep saying that. I'm pretty into the Bill of Rights. What "constitutionally protected civil rights?""? -Hate

    Well then I am sure that as someone "pretty into" the Bill of Rights, you already know that the fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution doesn't appear in it. But... would you mind terribly if I use the Constitution of the United States to base my position regarding civil rights on...?


    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    So 🖕🙄🖕, Bill.



    "And, you think this is how your side is going to thrive in this "nation of the people, by the people and for the people?" Fine. -Hate

    No. I think this is how I want to talk to you in this chatroom, Bill. You may find it difficult to accept, but I am not all that concerned that how I choose to communicate with you in here will affect the national discourse on the subject to any great degree.


    "I sympathize with the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their children without woke, Big Brother intrusion, and with the old-school Title IX feminists." -Hate

    And... you realize of course... that these goals are currently being supposedly accomplished by MAGA Republican politicians like DeSantis by banning books, eradicating minority history from schools, and lying their megalomaniacal asses off about any minority they see fit to abuse? Right?
    law.cornell.edu


  87. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 12:04 pm

    So, what's the liberty? To pee in the ladies'? Or play on the girl's basketball team?

    *****

    What intrigues me is how radical, on both sides, you LGBTQ people seem to be. Jaimee Michell is bonkers in supporting Ron DeSantis for President. I can't hold a candle to her. And, that gay Guy is really conservative, much more than ol pb. Sheeeeeeeeeeeesh.

    And, Donna and you? Wacked progressives of the first water.

    When it comes down to the LGBTQ crowd settling political differences? I'd buy a front row seat.


  88. by HatetheSwamp on May 14, 2023 12:27 pm

    From GAG:

    "Over here, we do not recognize “Birthing Person’s Day,” unlike other LGBTQ+ organizations.

    We celebrate MOTHERS. Fierce, loving, strong, biological women that can perform the greatest miracle of all — create life.

    We love you. We support you. And we thank you."

    How conservative, eh!!!!!?


  89. by oldedude on May 14, 2023 3:37 pm
    "DeSantis by banning books, eradicating minority history from schools,"

    DeSantis only had books taken off of elementary school shelves. The ones with getting blow jobs and other sexual acts that couldn't be openly discussed in school board meetings.

    It is also state law (still and no one is trying to get rid of it) that minority (especially black and Hispanic history in the state (6th, 8th grade), and also world history in middle and high school.

    You've been watching too much Rachael.


  90. by oldedude on May 14, 2023 3:44 pm
    As far as "Florida’s legislature Wednesday passed a bill that bans transgender people from using many bathrooms and changing areas that match their gender identity, on penalty of criminal trespass charges, in the latest spate of anti-LGBTQ legislation that has been taken up by state lawmakers."

    The bill does NOT ban those like Donna from using a woman's restroom. It bans other folks from "claiming" they are trans to perp on (mostly) females. This is an issue nationally, brought to light in VA, where the school district did nothing as several women were raped by the same perp who "claimed" he was trans. I've said before, I don't think in any way this guy was trans. I think he's a rapist. I also would make a very strong point that he was gaming the system in order to put himself in the position to rape other students.


  91. by HatetheSwamp on May 15, 2023 9:52 am

    Heads-up, gang.

    Ron DeSantis will appear on the gay Guy Curt never heard of's radio show today at 5:05 EDT.
    twitter.com


  92. by Ponderer on May 15, 2023 11:23 am

    "The bill does NOT ban those like Donna from using a woman's restroom." -olde dude

    Completely and totally wrong, od. It bans her, me, and all other post-transition transsexual individuals from using our appropriate public bathrooms in many places.


    "It bans other folks from "claiming" they are trans to perp on (mostly) females. This is an issue nationally, brought to light in VA, where the school district did nothing as several women were raped by the same perp who "claimed" he was trans." -olde dude

    I see. so you think that the fact that they claimed to be trans somehow exonerated them from the rapes they perpetrated? If some guy rapes a woman in a restroom but claims to be trans, they let them get away scot-free with the rape? Claiming to be trans allows you to commit rape...?

    What would stop a rapist from putting a dress on, going into a woman's restroom, and raping a woman, even if we trans folk are legally barred from using our appropriate restrooms anywhere? How does trans people being legally barred from using our appropriate bathroom going to deter a single rapist who wants to put on a dress and rape a woman in a bathroom?

    Your argument still makes zero sense whatsoever, od. And you've never explained how you think it does.


  93. by oldedude on May 15, 2023 4:46 pm
    I see. so you think that the fact that they claimed to be trans somehow exonerated them from the rapes they perpetrated? If some guy rapes a woman in a restroom but claims to be trans, they let them get away scot-free with the rape? Claiming to be trans allows you to commit rape...?

    NO, you're just being stoopid now. IN FACT, it makes it worse. AND it puts the trans community in a really bad position of people believing this arse was a trans, Which I consider horrible for the trans community. I was trying to make the point that you chose to ignore (which like indy isle is pretty common just so you can drop f-bombs and argue stupid things), that especially in this case, the district hid it from the public and didn't call the cops. Making it even worse. I wouldn't ever expect that from someone in transition. They're going through too much sht to begin with.

    If you would happen to read my posts, I've been empathetic to the trans community.


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