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Important Updates in the Trump Criminal Probes
By islander
May 1, 2023 9:52 am
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For those of you who are seriously following the Trump Criminal Probes, Teri is one of the best sources out there if you are looking for factual information from a legal expert who can explain what's happening in language a layman can easily understand.

Marcy Wheeler is another good source but her blog can sometimes be over the head of most unless they are a legal profession. The comments after their posts are always interesting and informative.

From Teri's blog:

Last summer, Willis told all eleven fake electors that they were targets of the investigation.

There are three categories of witnesses in grand jury proceedings.

A target has been linked to the crime with substantial evidence. They are likely to be named criminal defendants.
A witness has no criminal liability (at the moment), but has evidence the grand jury needs.
A subject is in between: there is some evidence, but not yet enough for a person to be considered a target. A subject could become a target or a mere witness.

In other words, all of the fake electors were informed that they were potentially in big trouble.

Also last year, Willis’s office also told the court that some of the fake electors would receive offers of immunity.

An offer of immunity is obviously good for people with criminal liability. It means they will not be prosecuted for the crimes being investigated as long as they tell the truth. A potential defendant would be stupid not to take that offer. Of course, Trump’s idea is that all people should be “loyal” to him, which means staying quiet and going to prison to protect him. We’ve already seen a case where potential witnesses against Trump were represented by Trump-paid lawyers. If the witnesses are represented by Trump-paid lawyers (or lawyers paid by Trump allies) the lawyer’s goal would likely be to get the witnesses to protect Trump when the witnesses expect their lawyers to look out for their best interests. (Click here and scroll down for the example of Cassidy Hutchinson.)

The Court did not order Willis’s office to reveal which electors could potentially receive immunity from prosecution. Instead, the Court instructed the two lawyers, Pierson and Debrow, to extend a blanket offer of immunity to each to gauge each elector’s interest.

On August 5, 2022, Pierson and Debrow reported that none of their clients were interested in offers of immunity.

On April 12th and 14th 2023, the DA’s office interviewed the electors and learned that they were never presented with offers of immunity. Oops. And wow. This means that the defense lawyers did not tell the potential defendants that offers of immunity were on the table. Instead, the defense lawyers lied to the prosecution and said none of the defendants were interested in offers of immunity. As Willis said to the court, “This situation reached an impracticable and ethical mess.”

And that’s not all. The DA’s office, during these interviews, also learned that one of the electors engaged in “acts that are violations of GA law” and that the other fake electors were not involved with those additional acts. Willis did not reveal in this motion what those illegal acts were.

What obviously happened was at the eleventh hour, Willis learned that she had more cooperating witnesses. The more cooperating witnesses, the better if the goal is to try to get the people at the top.

No surprise, a week after Willis filed her motion to disqualify Debrow from further representation in the matter, we learned that Willis’s timetable was delayed “in part because a number of witnesses have sought to cooperate as the investigation has neared an end.”

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  1. by Ponderer on May 2, 2023 7:55 am

    As always, Great worh, Isle! 👍

    There are so many people who helped Trump with his coup attempt that are spending a shit-ton of money on lawyers right now.

    They're gonna flip on that conman like it's nobody's business.

  2. by islander on May 2, 2023 8:26 am

    I agree, Ponderer !

    Teri Kanefield, puts out her updates once a week and along with Marcy Wheeler's Empty Wheel site, they are far better sources of factual information than TikTok !! LoL

    For some excellent American History lessons showing how our past influences what we are seeing in our country today, nobody can beat Heather Cox Richardson's "Letters From An American" !! 👍

  3. by HatetheSwamp on May 2, 2023 11:20 am

    Nope. Not fallin for it again. You TDS lot have cried wolf too many times!

  4. by Curt_Anderson on May 2, 2023 12:42 pm
    Lest anybody think that I don't follow and share the reports of Trump's legal issues closely, I posted "Defense attorney for fake Georgia GOP electors did not inform clients of immunity offer" two weeks ago. See first link.

    Here is something from the courtroom today, "Trump had ‘40 zillion hands’ during alleged groping attack, accuser Jessica Leeds testifies". Or as MAGA supporters say, Trump has a hands-on approach.

  5. by islander on May 2, 2023 1:47 pm

    I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that you are following this closely !! 👍 I meant to comment on your post but caught up in the "groomers" arguments.

    I posted Teri's article mostly for...well. you know who 😁 and it's almost May 5th !! so it really jumped out at me. It's going to get really interesting in the coming weeks.

    I still can't imagine how anyone could think that Trump and/or his associates would pay the Proud Boys lawyers and imagine that they would not be protecting Trump first which of course they did by not informing the defendants of the offers of immunity (plea deal) for information that would of course be good for the defendant they were supposedly working for but could ultimately hurt Trump...badly.

  6. by islander on May 2, 2023 2:44 pm

    Correction: That should be "fake electors" not Proud Boys.

  7. by Ponderer on May 3, 2023 5:50 am

    "Nope. Not fallin for it again. You TDS lot have cried wolf too many times!" -Hate

    And we've been right every time.

  8. by HatetheSwamp on May 3, 2023 6:07 am

    Keep hopin. But, so far, po...

  9. by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2023 10:39 am
    Trump is now saying he wants to defend himself in his rape trial. That is if his lawyers can’t stop him first.

  10. by Curt_Anderson on May 7, 2023 6:19 pm
    "Trump is now saying he wants to defend himself in his rape trial. That is if his lawyers can’t stop him first." --CA

    In a totally unsurprising move...
    Former President Trump will not testify at his civil trial centered around a rape allegation by writer E. Jean Carroll after his lawyers did not meet a judge-mandated deadline on Sunday to request that he testify.

  11. by islander on May 8, 2023 1:23 pm


    Teri Kanefield has a very timely post on rape in her Thursday blog.

    She clearly demonstrates the mountain Jean Carrol will have to climb in order to have Trump held accountable. She shows how woman who have been raped were treated throughout history right up to the present and Why MAGA is cool with Trump Grabbing women.

  12. by Curt_Anderson on May 8, 2023 1:48 pm
    This morning at breakfast I related to my wife a NY Times article I read about the history of the rape prosecution in the US. I said historically the victim had to prove she resisted, screamed, etc. Oftentimes the case came down to he said/she said. Rape was a capital offense and still is in a few states if the victim is underage.

    I admitted that if I were on a jury my level for beyond a reasonable doubt would be up to here (I held my hand high over my head) if the accused was facing the death penalty.

    Of course I'd have no trouble finding Trump guilty in the E. Jean Carroll civil case where the standard of proof is a preponderance of the evidence, that is the rape was more likely than not to have occurred.

    E. Jean Carroll's lawyer said in the closing argument that this case was not a he said/she said case since Trump did not testify in his own defense and to look the jurors in their eyes to deny the accusation.

  13. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 2:54 am

    I'm guessing that Trump will lose this trial for two reasons.

    1. He's generally despicable.
    2. It's a New York jury. (New York is filled with TDS people.)

    But, c'mon man. E. Jean Carroll can't say what effin YEAR this alleged encounter took place in. Hers is not a credible claim.

    But, she'll win.

  14. by islander on May 9, 2023 5:11 am

    So, Hate, Win or lose, do you think she is lying ???

  15. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 5:43 am


    What's that mean? She doesn't know what year it happened? Yeah.

    The problem with the whole accusation that it's so imprecise as to know even what she's accusing.

    But, I think that Trump is despicable. I strongly suspect that something happened.

  16. by islander on May 9, 2023 6:00 am

    "What's that mean? She doesn't know what year it happened? Yeah." ~ Hate

    More weasel words, that's not what I asked you.

    You say you don't even know what E. Jean Carroll is accusing Trump of (raping her) so your answer really is irrelevant to me. I think you need lo learn a little more about this and also learn a little more about what a woman who is raped faces by bringing charges against the rapist. There are usually no witnesses and the burden of proof has always been placed on the woman to prove that a crime even took place.

    It's why so many women don't report it and why the rapist can confidently smirk and tell the victim...Nobody will believe you anyway.

    Check Teri's link.

  17. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 6:36 am

    Ho hum, isle. Of the two of us, clearly, I'm the one who UNDERSTANDS baha baha what Carroll is accusing Trump of. Civil battery and defamation.

    New York(CNN)E. Jean Carroll's civil battery and defamation trial against Donald Trump neared a close Monday with closing arguments as her attorney told a federal jury in New York that no one is above the law, while Trump's lawyer said not to hold any negative feelings about the former president against him.

    I'm sayin that Carroll's imprecise account makes it impossible for Trump to say that on the date she describes that his diary says he was in El Paso or that he's on tape attending the premiere of a Broadway show. Carroll's accusation is so vague that Trump can't possibly provide a defense.

    I know two things. One is that Trump is the kind of person who might have done what Carroll accuses. The other is that Carroll knows that and could easily have made up this kind of vague story because people who'd want to believe it, would.

    I'm fair-minded enuff to get that.

  18. by islander on May 9, 2023 7:55 am

    The legal definition of rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. Fingering, according to the F.B.I. fits that definition of rape.

    That is what Carroll claimed Trump did and Trump denied that it ever happened.

    Carroll is suing for defamation in a civil suite because charging Trump with rape in a criminal court would be, in virtually all cases like this, extremely difficult if not impossible for her to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt as is the case with so many other victims of rape.

    My question to you was, do you think Carroll is lying?

    Nobody except Carroll and Trump KNOWS the answer as is the case in virtually any case like this. I didn’t ask you if you knew whether she was lying I asked you whether you thought she was. If you have no opinion either way then I see no point in discussing “why” we think she is or is not lying.

  19. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 8:06 am

    I'm the guy both sides would want on the jury. My take is precisely what I described. I can see that he might have done it but, based on the story Carroll's telling, I know that it could be completely made up.

    I could be convinced either way by a well-made case.

    I've seen parts of the Trump deposition and it's laughable...embarrassing for him, except that he has no shame whatsoever. But, he's being accused by a woman who describes being assaulted in the most horrible way who can't remember the effin year this terrible violation of her body took place. That's practically unbelievable.

    Who do you believe?

  20. by islander on May 9, 2023 8:23 am

    From all the news that has been made available to both of us and knowing what kind of a person Trump is and hearing him in his own words say he can do that to any woman because he's famous, in my opinion, I believe Carroll's word over Trumps.

    That's the decision you'd have to make if you were on a jury.

    We're not on a jury but that doesn't mean we should not or cannot have our own opinion on this. Like I said, "If you have no opinion either way then I see no point in discussing “why” we think she is or is not lying." Expressing our opinions is what we do here.

  21. by HatetheSwamp on May 9, 2023 8:35 am

    We do express opinions here but the two of us live life differently, obviously. I'm a contemplative person who doesn't make hasty judgments. You follow your prejudices at your first opportunity.

    That's my opinion.

  22. by islander on May 9, 2023 8:48 am

    If you'd prefer to give your opinion of me rather than the Carroll/Trump case we are discussing that's fine with me.

    I'm a straight shooter who doesn't speak with a forked tongue.

    I have found you to be deceitful coward.

    That's my opinion.

  23. by Curt_Anderson on May 9, 2023 9:20 am
    Donald Trump is such a liar!

    Donald Trump wants you to know that, in the civil rape lawsuit jurors will begin deliberating on Tuesday, he is the real victim.

    “Waiting for a jury decision on a False Accusation where I, despite being a current political candidate and leading all others in both parties, am not allowed to speak or defend myself, even as hard nosed reporters scream questions about this case at me,” the former president wrote on Truth Social on Tuesday. “In the meantime, the other side has a book falsely accusing me of Rape, & is working with the press. I will therefore not speak until after the trial, but will appeal the Unconstitutional silencing of me, as a candidate, no matter the outcome!”

    This is a lie. Trump has had every opportunity to defend himself in the trial. His legal team informed Judge Lewis Kaplan last week, however, that they would not be presenting any defense. A day later, Trump whined about the case to reporters overseas, teasing that he would “probably” attend the trial and that he was returning to the United States early in order to “confront” Carroll, whom he called a “disgrace.”

  24. by islander on May 9, 2023 12:59 pm

    "Donald Trump is such a liar!" ~ Curt

    And the jury agreed !!! 👍

  25. by HatetheSwamp on May 10, 2023 3:41 am

    I'm a straight shooter who doesn't speak with a forked tongue. -isle

    So was Nathan Bedford Forrest.

    My sense of you, and po, is that there's no filter for you. You unabashedly immerse yourself in your whim. You are all heart, no head.

    The difference between us is that, I do shoot straight. But, I do take as much effort as necessary to focus on the target.

  26. by Ponderer on May 10, 2023 6:14 am

    "My sense of you, and po, is that there's no filter for you." -Hate

    I agree. Neither of us allows anything to get between us and the truth.

    In a similar wat to how you have no filters between you and your projection.

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