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How to really steal an election

By islander
July 10, 2021 1:41 pm
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"How Democracy Could Die in 2024, and How to Save It-The greatest threat to American democracy today is not a repeat of January 6, but the possibility of a stolen presidential election. Contemporary democracies that die meet their end at the ballot box, through measures that are nominally constitutional. The looming danger is not that the mob will return; it’s that mainstream Republicans will “legally” overturn an election...

From November 2020 to January 2021, then, a significant portion of the Republican Party refused to unambiguously accept electoral defeat, eschew violence, or break with extremist groups—the three principles that define prodemocracy parties... Republican officials across the country are laying the legal infrastructure to do just that. Since January, according to Protect Democracy, Law Forward, and the States United Democracy Center, Republicans have introduced 216 bills (in 41 states) aimed at facilitating hardball electoral tactics. As of June, 24 of these bills had passed, including in the battleground states of Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and Texas. Approved measures allow Republican-controlled state legislatures or election boards to sideline or override local election administrations in Democratic strongholds. This would allow state legislatures or their appointees to meddle in local decision making, purge voter rolls, and manipulate the number and location of polling places. It would also allow Republicans in Arizona, Georgia, and elsewhere to do something Trump tried and failed to do in 2020: throw out ballots in rival strongholds in order to overturn a statewide result. Finally, the new laws impose criminal penalties for local election officials deemed to violate election procedure...

…Republican politicians learned several things in the 2020 election’s aftermath. First, Trump’s failed campaign to overturn the results revealed a variety of mechanisms that may be exploited in future elections. Second, Republicans discovered that their base would not punish them for attempting to steal an election. To the contrary, they now know that efforts to overturn an election will be rewarded by Republican voters, activists, local and state parties, and many donors..." Atlantic*


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  1. by Curt Anderson on July 10, 2021 1:58 pm
    Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick tells CPAC they won't let Texas become blue. The Republicans don't intend to win voters over with appealing, popular ideas and policies. The GOP solution is to restrict voting. The Republican-dominated Texas legislature is convened now in their second attempt at voter suppression.

    "In Texas, we are the last man standing… If we fall, America falls. The electoral votes of NY, CA… combined together means we could never elect a conservative.. to the WH ever again. I can tell you as the Lt. Gov. of this great state.. we’re not going to ever let that happen", said Patrick.

    Patrick said Texas stood "ready to fight for everything you hold dear wherever you live in America" and promised in 2024 that "Trumpism will rise again!"
    foxnews.com


  2. by Donna on July 10, 2021 2:22 pm
    It's an attempt at a hostile takeover by a minority of the populace.

    I posted on this topic a few times in the old forum. Olde Dude characterized it as a plan to "save America". That's what fascism is always about.



  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2021 8:04 am
    Back in the McDonald's parking lot briefly.

    From November 2020 to January 2021, then, a significant portion of the Republican Party refused to unambiguously accept electoral defeat, eschew violence, or break with extremist groups—the three principles that define prodemocracy parties...

    No. The GOPs accepted defeat all along. They believed that the smoke filled room handlers of that perverted and demented doddering old fart from Delaware swiped the election and they fought, ineffectually, for the truth to the revealed...to the last minute. But, pret'near all GOPs accept that Joe Biden is President. Almost all of them.


    Republican officials across the country are laying the legal infrastructure to do just that. Since January, according to Protect Democracy, Law Forward, and the States United Democracy Center, Republicans have introduced 216 bills (in 41 states) aimed at facilitating hardball electoral tactics.

    Uh uh. The GOPs are doing nuthin but doing their bit to insure election integrity. The GOP way is One Person One Vote.

    As demonstrated in 020, the Dems are still doing, Vote Early and Vote Often.


  4. by Curt Anderson on July 11, 2021 9:41 am
    HtS,
    That's one way to look at things. A distorted view of reality, but a way of looking nonetheless.

    It must suck to lose to somebody of whom you have such a low opinion. Even if you think Biden is an addled figurehead puppet and others are pulling the strings, Trump still lost to him. If Biden were as bad as your mantra about him repeats, Trump should have won by a landslide.


  5. by islander on July 11, 2021 2:04 pm
    “The GOPs accepted defeat all along”---HtS

    LoL !!! That’s an example of the True meaning of “TDS”, which is Trump Delusional Syndrome! Does HtS really believe what he said?

    A short time ago HtS was arguing how many Republicans DON'T believe Trump lost the election;

    “There was immense cheating in the 2020 election Nearly half of likely [Republican] voters are convinced of it”---HtS

    About 53% of the GOP “still” believe Trump won the election including HtS himself.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2021 4:43 am

    About 53% of the GOP “still” believe Trump won the election including HtS himself. -isle

    No.

    You're misrepresenting what I say.

    I'm convinced that those smoke filled room handlers of that perverted and demented doddering old fart from Delaware swiped the election.

    They did it and Clouseau won. Joe Biden is my President.

    That doddering old fart won the election...

    ...through chicanery.

    But, he won.


  7. by islander on July 13, 2021 6:11 am

    I'm convinced that those smoke filled room handlers of that perverted and demented doddering old fart from Delaware swiped the election HtS

    If you really believe that fantasy then you can’t really believe Biden actually won the election. You’re presenting us with an excellent example of cognitive dissonance, which is “having to hold two conflicting beliefs at the same time”. If Biden (or his “handlers”) stole the election Biden didn’t win it. If he really did win it he didn’t steal it. This all must be very stressful to you. Cognitive dissonance can do that to a person.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2021 6:58 am

    If you really believe that fantasy then you can’t really believe Biden actually won the election. You’re presenting us with an excellent example of cognitive dissonance, which is “having to hold two conflicting beliefs at the same time”. If Biden (or his “handlers”) stole the election Biden didn’t win it. If he really did win it he didn’t steal it. This all must be very stressful to you. Cognitive dissonance can do that to a person. -isle

    Y'know, isle, I think you are illuminating a core difference between the greatest majority of the antiSwamp and your side which, is at the very least, sympathetic with the BLM and Antifa hooligans who laid waste to several cities in the summer of 020.

    Our side, ultimately, believes in the US Constitution and LIVES it.

    However dishonestly, that demented, doddering old fart from Delaware was elected President. He's our President, even though we are convinced he was elected via subterfuge.

    A significant number of the antiSwamp believes that Joe's smoke filled room handlers cheated him into the Oval Office. We believe it wholeheartedly. And, we will never forget.

    But, we'll address our frustration in a way that is more constructive than your anarchists among BLM and Antifa.


  9. by islander on July 13, 2021 7:23 am

    HTS
    Like I said, your cognitive dissonance (along with you Trump Delusional Syndrome) must be very stressful for you. I imagine that’s why it is so hard for you to stay on point. We all understand.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on July 13, 2021 7:36 am

    isle,

    I understand that you can't identify with people being loyal to our Constitution.

    If I could speculate, many of your ilk probably consider the antiSwamp devotion to the Constitution to be closed minded and hateful.

    More than that, youz know that AntiSwampers are going to flood the polls in 022...and there's nuthin you can do about it.


  11. by Curt Anderson on July 13, 2021 7:48 am
    AntiSwampers are going to flood the polls in 022...and there's nuthin you can do about it. -HtS

    But Trump said but you guys DID flood the polls in 2020 and Trump still lost. He has bragged that he got more votes than any president running for re-election ever before. I don't think the deplatformed Florida retiree will have any better luck campaigning for himself or others next time.




  12. by islander on July 13, 2021 11:13 am

    youz know that AntiSwampers are going to flood the polls in 022 --HtS

    One of the many problems you have trying to stay on point and keeping from your thoughts and arguments from becoming fractured and incomplete, is that you still really don’t actually understand the difference between believing and knowing.

    PS Read the opening statement again. This discussion is about the Republican plans to try and prevent as many people from legally exercising their right to vote as possible. As they themselves have told you over and over, they can’t get elected unless they do that.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on July 14, 2021 10:56 am
    PS Read the opening statement again. This discussion is about the Republican plans to try and prevent as many people from legally exercising their right to vote as possible. As they themselves have told you over and over, they can’t get elected unless they do that. -isle

    Please, isle. Be precisely on point.

    I've invited you to provide links to information demonstrating that GOPs are attempting to "prevent as many people from legally exercising their right to vote as possible."

    I assure you that I'd be as opposed to that as you'd be...were it happening.

    The most common refrain I hear from GOPs is that they are...

    ...making it easier to vote and harder to cheat.

    So far, nothing you've done here has contradicted that.

    So, staying on point: GOPs are increasingly infuriated by your side's, as po would have said, prevarications. As a result, they will stream to the polls in 022.

    I truly BELIEVE that.


  14. by islander on July 15, 2021 5:35 am

    HtS,
    How is the GOP trying to prevent certain people who have the legal right to vote from voting? Surely you’re too intelligent to seriously ask that question. Especially since you are witnessing this happening right before your eyes.

    The GOP leaders themselves have told you they can’t get elected if everyone who has a legal right to vote does indeed vote. So…invent a problem that doesn’t exist such as, “We have a major problem with people fraudulently voting and stealing elections just like this last one”.

    However, no such problem existed and the election wasn’t stolen.

    Eliminating polling places, making it more difficult to vote by mail, shortening early voting times etc. all done under the guise of stopping fraudulent voting, will, not might, but will cut down the number of people who will vote, people who have a legal right to vote, but will have no effect on a nonexistent problem.



  15. by HatetheSwamp on July 15, 2021 6:13 am
    HtS,
    How is the GOP trying to prevent certain people who have the legal right to vote from voting? Surely you’re too intelligent to seriously ask that question. Especially since you are witnessing this happening right before your eyes.
    -isle

    You know darn well that I'm not too intelligent to ask the question. You point that out all the time! Dagnabit, as you note, I can't even tell the difference between knowing and believing. And, as you know, many millions of Americans share my convictions. We need to have it laid out for us.

    I'm sorry but if you're going to make your point, you're going to have to provide documentation.

    BTW, Jesse Waters read from the Texas election bill yesterday on THE FIVE and asked Harold Ford, Jr. Fox's sharpest token lib, what's actually wrong with the bill. Ford had no reply.

    The GOP leaders themselves have told you they can’t get elected if everyone who has a legal right to vote does indeed vote. So…invent a problem that doesn’t exist such as, “We have a major problem with people fraudulently voting and stealing elections just like this last one”.

    No.

    What GOPs have said is that they won't ever elect another President if the Dems are permitted to cheat like they were in 020. GOPs have no difficulty being elected in Mississippi, for instance.

    Eliminating polling places, making it more difficult to vote by mail, shortening early voting times etc. all done under the guise of stopping fraudulent voting, will, not might, but will cut down the number of people who will vote, people who have a legal right to vote, but will have no effect on a nonexistent problem.

    This is silly. With changes in population, polling places are shifted for every election. C'mon man. Gimme a break!

    Again, document your claim that GOPs are making it harder to vote by mail. Clearly, they're trying to make it harder to CHEAT by mail.

    Please be patient with me. I'm obviously not sufficiently gifted to be a woke Swampcult Blue MAGA.


  16. by islander on July 15, 2021 9:12 am
    This is silly. With changes in population, polling places are shifted for every election. C'mon man. Gimme a break!

    Sounds good, HtS, except that the delays and long lines at polling places show that’s not really the case. Especially when Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours, making mail in voting more difficult, “along with” closing polling stations in areas like McLennan county, Texas, which, in recent years has closed 44% of its polling places despite the fact that its population grew by more than 15,000 people during the same time period, with more than two-thirds of that growth coming from minorities…You know, those same people Republicans don’t want voting because they believe they are more likely to vote for Democrats.

    What GOPs have said is that they won't ever elect another President if the Dems are permitted to cheat like they were in 020. GOPs have no difficulty being elected in Mississippi, for instance.

    No, Trump himself admitted that making it easier to vote in America would hurt the Republican party. I believe that’s quite true, however you and the Republicans seem to be reasoning from the false premise that making it easier for the American people to vote will result in an increase in the percentage of fraudulent votes and that the fraudulent voters will be mostly all Democrats.

    For Republicans, this line of thinking and these kinds tactics are not new, Paul Weyrich, an American religious conservative political activist and commentator, most notable as a figurehead of the New Right. He co-founded the conservative think tanks The Heritage Foundation, the Free Congress Foundation, and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), said in 1980…. ,“I don’t want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”




  17. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2021 6:05 am
    Especially when Republican-led states impose a range of other restrictions, from shorter voting hours, making mail in voting more difficult, “along with” closing polling stations in areas like McLennan county, Texas, which, in recent years has closed 44% of its polling places...

    Here's a truth, isle:

    Texas offers much more convenience to voters than does Joe's own Delaware...

    ...And, Georgia's bill than Colorado.

    As po would say, You got nothing. And, since it's Effin Friday, you got effin nuthin! Bahahahaha!


  18. by HatetheSwamp on July 16, 2021 10:07 am
    BTW, isle. We recently discovered the Aussie TV series MY LIFE IS MURDER (on Acorn) in which characters correct each other's grammar in every episode. Good show.

    You have split your infinite. It's, HOW REALLY TO STEAL AN ELECTION. Bahahahaha m




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