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Congratulations are in order for Hate and all the citizens of Pennsylvania. It seems that there actually were enough intelligent people in the state to elect by far the best candidate, the one who Hate voted against, and secure some semblance of a sane future for the state. Thank God that there were enough smart voters in Pennsylvania to keep the candidate that Hate voted for from winning. A candidate who was put up by the Republican party for nothing more than gaining control of the Senate. Pennsylvania could go up in flames, saddled with a pig-ignorant, brain-damaged, immoral hypocrite leading them for all the RNC cared. Just so long as they achieved their goal.

As it turns out, there just wasn't quite enough stupidity and nihilism in the Pennsylvania electorate to vote like Hate did and screw themselves into a leaderless, chaotic mess. I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised.

Pennsylvania's election is a victory for sanity. It is a victory for democracy. It is a thing to cause hope for the entire country.

So congratulations there, pb.

No thanks to you.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on November 11, 2022 8:27 am

    Thanks, po. It's likely that the best candidate was Conor Lamb, the guy that Fetterman beat in the primary...but the Smoke Filled Room insisted on Fetterman.

    One thing's certain. Fetterman will fit in with the demented old fool in the White House. There'll be lots to laugh at.

    I'm lovin what the election did to the Dems did to themselves in the election. They doubled the size of the Squad and gave Bernie someone who's more of a commie than he is...and, who is incapable of speaking a spontaneous sentence.

    Lotsa laughs for pb in the next two years!


  2. by Ponderer on November 11, 2022 8:50 am

    "I'm lovin what the election did to the Dems did to themselves in the election." -Hate

    ?

    You mean having the most successful result for a first term president's party in the mid-term election in many decades...?

    Yeah. That was pretty stupid of the Democrats to do that to themselves. What could they have possibly been thinking?


    By the way, I want to say that it is my dearest and deepest hope that the GQP will be running your newest heart throb DeSantis in '24.

    This country is not Florida. And you and he will learn that very dramatically if he's the '24 Republican candidate. This country has had just about enough of your delusional and anti-democratic Big Lie and all those who think as stupidly as you do. As the Red Wave of MAGA Losers was a clear indication thereof.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on November 11, 2022 8:57 am

    You mean having the most successful result for a first term president's party in the mid-term election in many decades...?

    Uh, 2002!!!!!?

    Can you just imagine "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" at age 81 debating Ron DeSantis!!!!!?

    You're right about Florida not being the whole country. Four years ago, it was a bluish purple state. Today, it's crimson red, more red than Texas. Thanks to Ron DeSantis!



  4. by oldedude on November 11, 2022 10:05 am
    You're right of course. He did get Miami-Dade NOT to vote for crispy, which is the first time ever it voted GOP. And GOP led by a huge margin. AND black voters leaned more DeSantis. He actually knows and appreciates both sides of the equation. He understands what advisors are for and actually uses them. They had an abortion bill BEFORE SCOTUS turned it back to the states, and had the legislature poll their folks to see if the state needed to change the law. Floridians didn't think it was necessary. I think others will take the hint.

    I also wonder why you hate him so much. He hasn't been on the scene long enough for most people to have an opinion. If they do, it's usually just because of what their media is telling them to say.

    The "Don't say gay" bill was a complete lie from the dims. The only thing it said was that gender identification was not to be taught in pre-K through 4th grade. NOT the bald faced LIES the dims lied about on a national level.

    The Disneyland debacle was about a company trying to influence state law while saving millions of dollars a year from the state. If it were the NRA, would you change your mind?


  5. by HatetheSwamp on November 11, 2022 10:16 am

    The thing is, DeSantis seems to win almost every battle.

    What impresses me is that many in the GOP press and political world jumped to his defense when Trump launched that DeSanctimonious nickname. Somehow it seems as if the non MAGA crowd is choosing him as their guy without DeSantis even trying.

    I think he distinguished himself during the pandemic. People who love freedom and the Constitution saw a lot to like.


  6. by oldedude on November 11, 2022 11:26 pm
    He was a hero during the "pandemic." His numbers were near those of every other state, except the people were free to be open. Schools were open as well as businesses. The Conch Republic went all the way up the sand bar peninsula.


  7. by oldedude on November 11, 2022 11:58 pm
    Sorry, I agree with you. The battles come to him, and he deals with them. Unlike the shtstorm called Trump, DeSantis doesn't create chaos. He needed a bridge done. He said within 30 days. In three days it was done (Thank you FL National Guard). That may not be a big thing anywhere else, but here, it's a big deal. People got back to their houses, power was restored. All while power in NOLA is still a crapshoot. Regardless of the political party, he personally is a rock star. I showed that one video earlier of the guy talking about that he was a dim, but the governor's fuel trucks were there to give aid to the poorer sections of the coral beaches area during Ida.

    My wife and I were just talking about being blessed this year regarding storms. We also understand that others were not fortunate. Our hearts go out to them. And, we could have been destroyed. That wasn't the deal. That is not DeSantis. He doesn't have power over that, so we're not stupid about storms. See the first two lines in this post.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on November 12, 2022 3:35 am

    And, with DeSantis, there's no hypocrisy...no French Laundry...even though your press down there is continually attempting to create gotchas.

    I, of course, declared myself as a DeSantis supporter long ago. Back then, there was no reason then to think he'd even run in 024. I'm amazed to see how many endorsements and pledges of support he's received, simply because OrangeMan gave him a nickname. And, now, with the landslide.....

    And, I have to say that, part of it, for pb, is how tenderly and sweetly he supported Casey through her breast cancer struggle. There's definitely an emotional attachment among couples who've fought that battle and, of course, we have.


  9. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 6:07 am
    I agree with that also. In a state where there are a lot of retirees, many people followed the cancer saga. It made him human, humane, and vulnerable like us all. The other thing that helped is that Casey is also a wonderful human being. A very gracious woman that makes others feel welcome. Quite a mix for a politician.


  10. by Ponderer on November 12, 2022 8:12 am

    "Thanks, po. It's likely that the best candidate was Conor Lamb, the guy that Fetterman beat in the primary...but the Smoke Filled Room insisted on Fetterman." -Hate



    🙄



    Right. The voters who voted in the primary had nothing to do with it.


    And don't even hint at the vaguest of possibilities that you would have voted for Lamb against Oz if he'd won the nomination instead of Fetterman. Your irrational DDS would have knee-jerked into action on that one sure as guns. Don't even insult everyone's intelligence by denying it.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on November 12, 2022 8:38 am

    po,

    Of the three states I've lived in, the state party's endorsement means far more in Pennsylvania than elsewhere. The party backed Fetterman. That matters. To the best of my knowledge, the GOP state committee didn't endorse anyone. They certainly didn't endorse Oz...but, OrangeMan did.


  12. by Donna on November 12, 2022 9:01 am
    "The "Don't say gay" bill was a complete lie from the dims. The only thing it said was that gender identification was not to be taught in pre-K through 4th grade." -od

    I haven't seen evidence that gender identification was ever taught in pre-K through 4th grade. DeSantis and his cohorts did an spectacular job convincing conservative Floridians that that was happening though. Liberal-minded Americans, who dominate our culture, aren't going to fall for bullshit like that if he runs for president.



  13. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 12:17 pm
    "I haven't seen evidence that gender identification was ever taught in pre-K through 4th grade. DeSantis and his cohorts did an spectacular job convincing conservative Floridians that that was happening though. Liberal-minded Americans, who dominate our culture, aren't going to fall for bullshit like that if he runs for president."

    I've given you that evidence and citations. A couple of times. You've responded to them. Short term memory loss?


  14. by Donna on November 12, 2022 12:49 pm

    And as I recall, my responses were always something to the effect that none of the examples you gave didn't show that pre-schoolers to 4th graders were being taught gender identity.


  15. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 1:02 pm
    And then I posted with at least three citations of it being used in preK-5.


  16. by Donna on November 12, 2022 1:05 pm

    Nothing you posted showed that Pre-K to 4th graders were being taught gender identity. I remember that one of the cases you posted was about something that allegedly happened at a high school.


  17. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 1:51 pm
    These are just four of the articles and one of the videos I found. You obviously haven't looked too hard. I attempted to cite some different facets of what I found. Please write these down, or actually remember that I cited this. It's getting tiresome.

    This article uses "CRT" incorrectly, I just thought I'd beat you to the punch. That said, CRT was either confused with GIS, or wrapped up inside of CRT as one issue.
    "When quite a lot of evidence is marshaled demonstrating that CRT is, in fact, being pushed in schools (here's the latest update), the denialists either ignore said evidence and continue their mindless chanting – or they clarify that the racialized curricula in question is affirmatively good, actually. A similar phenomenon is playing out on sexual orientation and gender identity instruction. When Florida enacted its parental rights/LGBT law, opponents mischaracterized it repeatedly. But because the central provision most often discussed and debated (barring instruction on these issues in K-3 classrooms) is widely supported by the public, the critics lost the debate, in spite of their shrill, falsehood-laden campaign."

    "New ‘22-‘23 NJ state sexual education guidelines include gender identity instruction for elementary schoolers. “One school district…distributed sample lesson plans indicating first graders could be taught they can have ‘boy parts’ but ‘feel like’ a girl: https://foxnews.com/politics/new-jersey-second-graders-learn-gender-identity-alarming-parents"



    This is a continuation of the Townhall article, and the video is on the same subject.
    One lesson plan, "Purple, Pink and Blue," instructs teachers to talk to their first graders about gender identity, and its first objective is to have the students be able to define "gender, gender identity and gender role stereotypes."

    The lesson’s second objective is to have students name "at least two things they’ve been taught about gender role stereotypes and how those things may limit people of all genders."

    "Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts.

    "And you might not feel like you’re a boy or a girl, but you’re a little bit of both. No matter how you feel, you’re perfectly normal!"


    Psychology Today
    In 1996, the film “It's Elementary: Talking About Gay Issues in School” was released, showing teachers in kindergarten through fifth grade leading thoughtful and rigorous lessons about gay and lesbian people and families. It was a ground-breaking film that offered specific ideas and models about how to create schools that will be more welcoming and affirming of kids and families of all gender identities and sexual orientations.


    What children should be taught about sex and gender, and when, has become a hot topic across the country. But parents didn’t choose this — it was forced upon them.

    Setting aside the appropriateness of teaching 7-year-olds that their gender is malleable, the New Jersey news comes on the heels of massive leftist outrage over the Parental Rights in Education bill signed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — a law that many on the left called “unnecessary.”

    The Florida law prevents instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity. And while leftist activists, and their media assistants, have targeted the bill as “Don’t Say Gay,” despite the fact that straight is also a sexual orientation, parents I have spoken to specifically point to gender lessons as the reason they support the bill.


    Elementary School Prohibits Teachers From Telling Parents If Their Child Is Transgender
    The Upper Moreland School District in Willow Grove, Pennsylvania, “Code of Conduct” for the 2022-2023 school year tells elementary school teachers that they should not share a student’s change in gender identity with their parents unless instructed by the student to do so. The student has the “right” to keep their “gender identity private at school,” according to the code of conduct. (RELATED: Teacher Pressures School Employees To Hide Students’ Gender Transitions From Parents)

    “School personnel should not disclose information that may reveal a student’s gender identity or gender nonconformity to others, including parents and other school personnel, unless the student has authorized such disclosure,” the code of conduct stated.



    townhall.com
    psychologytoday.com
    nypost.com
    dailycaller.com
    View Video


  18. by Donna on November 12, 2022 2:19 pm

    "One lesson plan, "Purple, Pink and Blue," instructs teachers to talk to their first graders about gender identity, and its first objective is to have the students be able to define "gender, gender identity and gender role stereotypes."

    The lesson’s second objective is to have students name "at least two things they’ve been taught about gender role stereotypes and how those things may limit people of all genders."

    "Gender identity is that feeling of knowing your gender. You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl," the lesson plan states. "You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts. You might feel like you’re a girl even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘boy’ parts.

    "And you might not feel like you’re a boy or a girl, but you’re a little bit of both. No matter how you feel, you’re perfectly normal!"" - od

    ***

    From the WaPost article link:

    At issue are sample lesson plans distributed at a Feb. 22 meeting of the Westfield, N.J., school district, drafted by a progressive group called Advocates for Youth. One sample lesson plan for first-graders, titled “Pink, Blue and Purple,” says students are to be taught, “You might feel like you are a boy, you might feel like you are a girl. You might feel like you’re a boy even if you have body parts that some people might tell you are ‘girl’ parts.” Another sample lesson plan for second-graders involves identifying the body parts and states “there are some body parts that mostly just girls have and some parts that mostly just boys have.”

    Repeatedly, Fox News and others have framed this as something amounting to actual school curriculum. But the school district and the advocacy group both say that’s not the case — that these were sample materials that the district shared as it reviews the state guidelines.

    “The sample plans you reference are not lesson plans in the Westfield Public School District,” superintendent Raymond González told The Washington Post. “Nor were they handed out to parents at the February 22 Board of Education meeting.”...

    Advocates for Youth also confirmed that Westfield hasn’t adopted the “Pink, Blue and Purple” lesson plan.


    washingtonpost.com


  19. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 2:33 pm
    "Advocates for Youth also confirmed that Westfield hasn’t adopted the “Pink, Blue and Purple” lesson plan."

    Ergo, it's a curriculum, or a part of one. Your "article" has a lot of double speak in it. It does exist for elementary school. Isn't that what you wanted and what you were biatching about (and LYING again).


  20. by Donna on November 12, 2022 2:37 pm

    That curriculum wasn't implemented. End of story.

    You fell for a hoax. What else ya got?



  21. by Curt_Anderson on November 12, 2022 2:42 pm
    "...teachers ... should not share a student’s change in gender identity with their parents..."

    Having raised both a boy and girl, we wouldn't need the school tell us if our kids changed their gender identity. If a parent didn't notice that change, their parenting skills need some work.

    OD,
    Thank you for listing those examples and presenting your case.

    In what I read, there seems to be a basic but self-contradictory argument:
    1. Kids of a certain age are too young to understand issues regarding sexuality.
    2. Kids of a certain age are too impressionable regarding information about sexuality issues.









  22. by Donna on November 12, 2022 2:54 pm

    Actually I think that schools that don't report a student's perceived gender identity issue to the student's parents or guardians are doing the right thing, as they could be putting the student in danger.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on November 12, 2022 4:25 pm
    Donna,
    If I were still a parent of school age children, I'd have a couple reasons I wouldn't them reporting to me my kid's gender identity.
    1. I would already know my kid's gender identity (see my post above).
    2. I would see the teacher's reporting on my kid as a judgment. Presumably teachers don't report on straight and cis kids.
    3. I wouldn't necessarily trust a teacher's perception of my kid's sexuality.
    4. From the teachers' perspective, I'd see their obligatory reporting to parents as another unnecessary and difficult duty.


  24. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 6:43 pm
    Donna- so I'm assuming you didn't read the rest of the post, Or did you just reject that for a stupid reason and quit. It is a curriculum that is available to districts. If NJ didn't choose to use it is immaterial. You just said that preK-5th grade sex courses don't exist. That is a LIE.

    1. I would already know my kid's gender identity (see my post above).
    Are you sure? I would hope so and the kids in Denver schools have complete sets of clothes they can put on at school and change before they go home, Do you know when your kid has sex? Try weed the first time? etcetcetc...


    2. I would see the teacher's reporting on my kid as a judgment. Presumably teachers don't report on straight and cis kids.
    There are lots of things teachers are required to report. When districts don't require it, we've see the result of that. Most of the school shootings people knew about the kid but no one reported.


    3. I wouldn't necessarily trust a teacher's perception of my kid's sexuality.
    pedojoe's statement that children belong to their teachers while at school and not the parents. So the teachers may know more about the student than the parents (see above).

    4. From the teachers' perspective, I'd see their obligatory reporting to parents as another unnecessary and difficult duty.
    So they shouldn't report suspicious bruising? or other signs of abuse? Sounds like "another unnecessary and difficult duty."


  25. by Curt_Anderson on November 12, 2022 7:08 pm
    OD,
    1. Yes, I'd know. Even good parents can't know every individual action of their kids. So what? That doesn't mean they wouldn't know about their kid's sexuality, personality changes, etc.

    2. If my kid or any kid threatened a school shooting, whoever knew of it, should report it to the authorities, police, etc.

    3. I agree that teachers are responsible for kids' safety, health, etc. during school hours. That doesn't mean I need their unsolicited opinions.

    4. Teachers, counselors, neighbors, etc. should report suspected child abuse and/or suspicious bruises to children's services or police.


  26. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 7:25 pm
    In what I read, there seems to be a basic but self-contradictory argument:
    1. Kids of a certain age are too young to understand issues regarding sexuality.
    2. Kids of a certain age are too impressionable regarding information about sexuality issues.


    I think that depends on the age of the child. Will preK-3rd grade 3understand what that means? If there is a family of 2 moms or 2 dads, I don't think anyone gives a crap. If the kid isn't being abused, it's all good.
    4th and 5th grades is about when the kids start understanding that and are impressionable. I don't think they're contradictory. They're just looking at two different age levels.


    This is a parents' rights issue.

    I understand some people want total control turned over to the schools and that parents don't have a "right" to know what is being taught. They leave it up to the school to do whatever they want.

    The other side feel it's a parent's obligation to know what the kid in learning. As long as the parents are held responsible for the kid legally, they have a right to know what they're learning in school. So far, that's held up in the courts.

    This is why private schools and home schooling is the preferred choice for more and more parents. Even in Florida, there's a 1-2 year wait to get into kindergarten in many of these schools. In DC area, you put your name in before the kid is born just to get a place holder and you have to put in a down payment.

    We are very active in all of our grandchildren's educations. The parents are also active in what they are learning.

    Also, "Denver Elementary School announces plans to instruct kindergartners and 1st graders about why it’s important to disrupt the nuclear family and be trans and queer affirming; they host racially segregated playground nights too"
    defendinged.org


  27. by oldedude on November 12, 2022 8:27 pm
    This is from the GLSEN website, which is a hotkey from Denver Public Schools website. It's their curriculum K-12.

    LGBTQ-Visibility and Integration in Elementary Schools
    "While many LGBTQ-inclusive school supports begin in middle or high school, it is critical for elementary schools to establish a foundation of respect and understanding for all people. In addition to gaining knowledge and developing skills, elementary students typically begin to develop an understanding of themselves and the world and people around them. As such, the social environment of classrooms and schools provides the opportunity for children to initiate and develop relationships and navigate increasingly complex peer relationships. That complexity can often lead to incidents of name-calling and use of hurtful and biased words. If left uninterrupted by educators and other adult role models, these behaviors can take root in children’s hearts and minds."

    glsen.org
    thecommons.dpsk12.org


  28. by Donna on November 13, 2022 11:36 am

    A long, long time ago, there was a kid in my elementary school classes who was teased a lot. Looking back, I think this kid may have been on the autism spectrum. Of course we kids didn't understand that. There wasn't much awareness about autism back in those days. I also had two male classmates who were gay, although at that time we didn't know anything about homosexuality.

    Anyhow, it probably would've been difficult for teachers to teach civility and respect for their classmates without telegraphing that they were alluding to our interactions with those three classmates, which perhaps would have made them feel even worse. Instead, my teachers handled the teasing as they would any disciplinary problem, which I think was a much wiser approach.

    So while I don't support the control freaky approach that's being advocated for and implemented by some educators, at least in Denver parents choose what schools their kids attend. So if you don't like what they're teaching, you can have you kid transferred to another school.


  29. by oldedude on November 13, 2022 12:35 pm
    I agree with you on that. Especially then, no one knew anything about "issues" and there was no way to place kids in the schools. One of my grandson's is high functioning autistic. He's three and his math and reading skills are second grade skill level. They're really lucky to be in the district they're in though. My daughter in law applied for a gifted and talented program, and she's waiting to hear back.

    The issue with DPS is that ALL the schools have the same criteria. So if you move out of the district, you have to pay for it because they don't get the tax dollars. So it's 100% tuition, in essence, you might as well go to a private school.

    And that's the start of the program for DPS. It's listed as K-12 and is a continuation for each year.


  30. by Donna on November 27, 2022 1:45 pm

    "You just said that preK-5th grade sex courses don't exist. That is a LIE." - od

    Actually what you said there is a lie. I never said that. I said a couple of times that I haven't seen evidence that such sex courses are being taught.

    If you don't believe me, go back and peruse each post on this thread.




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