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Ron DeSantis is claiming credit for sending two planes carrying migrants to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts Wednesday
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September 15, 2022 7:59 am
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What DeSantis did was childish and small...Just like the person he himself is.

My understanding is that it was unannounced and took the residents of Martha’s Vineyard by surprise but they responded beautifully making DeSantis look even smaller. They quickly set up shelters (usually used for hurricanes) and the families received a good meal, were Covid tested, and spent the night at shelters and churches on the small island. Officials said their main objective right now is to support the migrant families who arrived without warning.


Good job and kudos to the folks on Martha’s Vineyard! 


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Comments on "Ron DeSantis is claiming credit for sending two planes carrying migrants to Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts Wednesday":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 8:27 am

    Awesome.

    Imagine that! Migrants arriving in your community unannounced. Sort of a metaphor for what's happening 24/7 in our southern states...continually.

    Has it occurred to you that DeSantis has, very literally, many thousands more illegal aliens to transfer to Martha's Vinyard?

    It's very possible that these two may be the first of 20,? 200?

    Those noble Libs may soon have ample opportunity to show the compassionate mettle, eh?

  2. by Curt_Anderson on September 15, 2022 8:39 am
    It's not inexpensive to fly into Martha's vineyard. There are no direct flights there from Miami. My wife and I have been to Martha's vineyard maybe 10 times over the years. It cost too much money for us to fly in so we've always taken the Peter Pan bus from Logan airport in Boston.

    Oh well, it is the taxpayers of Florida that are paying the extra moolah for Rhonda Santa's political stunt.

  3. by islander on September 15, 2022 8:39 am

    The folks on that little island are doing the right thing.

    One in four workers in Florida are migrant workers. immigrants make up more than a quarter of Florida’s labor force. As neighbors, business owners, taxpayers, and workers, immigrants are an integral part of Florida’s diverse and thriving communities and make extensive contributions that benefit all.

    Florida needs and depends on migrants. DeSantis thinks treating humans like cattle with this little stunt will please his base, but t’s going to backfire on him.

  4. by Curt_Anderson on September 15, 2022 8:41 am
    Of course the bus goes to woods hole, and you take the 40 minute ferry ride from there.

  5. by Donna on September 15, 2022 8:49 am

    If everyone who migrated here illegally were sent back to their country of origin, the US economy would collapse.

  6. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 9:05 am

    Florida needs and depends on migrants. DeSantis thinks treating humans like cattle with this little stunt will please his base, but t’s going to backfire on him.

    I think that you're being naíve, there, isle. It's a matter of supply and demand. Since the word's gone out around the world that the Flatulent Fool has opened our order, Florida, as an example, has too much supply.

    DeSantis has plenty of illegals to spare and sanctuary cities and states are going to have to put up or shut up.

  7. by Curt_Anderson on September 15, 2022 9:18 am
    These immigrants are not necessarily illegal. I'm watching a story about this on CNN right now. Some had an appointments for her immigration status in federal immigration offices far from Martha's vineyard. Many of these immigrants are escaping political persecution and/or gang violence in their home countries. They are refugees. All of them have taken arduous journeys to get to America because they're seeking a better life.

    Not surprisingly the good citizens of Martha's vineyard banded together and addressed the need. They even enlisted high School Spanish students to act as translators.

  8. by islander on September 15, 2022 9:23 am

    If anybody wants to read a very good book on how decent folks act in situations like this, pick up,”The Day the World Came to Town” by Jim DeFede

    

It’s a True story and a good read. You will definitely feel better about the world. It helps balance out the negative effects and cynicism of the Trump and DeSantis people’s views.

    Check it out !


  9. by Donna on September 15, 2022 9:32 am

    Hts: What do you mean by Biden has "opened our border"?

    Note: I don't expect a cogent answer.

  10. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 10:00 am

    Donna,

    If you can't comprehend my posts, maybe you should try out the Evelyn Wood Reading Program. Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

    What pb really said is, Since the word's gone out around the world that the Flatulent Fool has opened our border, Florida, as an example, has too much supply.

    Here's the hoot.

    On MEET THE PRESS on this Sunday past, Kammy declared that the border's secure. So, to make the point, Texas sent today's bus loads of illegals intended for DC to the Veep's residence.

    Interestingly, Texas must have given Fox a heads-up because they had a first string reporter and camera crew waiting for the busses to arrive.

    The reporter, Griff Jenkins, found a Venezuelan wetback (baha) very fluent in English. Jenkins asked him if he understood that he'd be welcome if he crossed the border illegally. The wetback said that the news in Venezuela reports that President Biden welcomes even people who cross the border illegally. He added that he has relatives living in America who told him the same thing.

    Now, Donna, if you don't understand this as a reply to your query, don't be shy. Just ask. I'll break it down for you into small pieces. Nolo problemo. (A little Spanish lingo, there.)

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

  11. by Donna on September 15, 2022 10:35 am

    "Wetback"? You actually used that invective? What an asshole.

    To the question I asked you, I was looking more for what the actual policy is, not some rumor you heard.

    You didn't disappoint though. You answered about how I expected.

  12. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 10:43 am

    "Wetback"? You actually used that invective? What an asshole.

    I knew that, to the Woke, that term would resonate.

    Watch a few minutes of Fox any day. They're crossing the River constantly. With the Former Truck Driver in charge, they even do it in broad daylight now!

    BTW, with all the inanity coming from the White House Press Secretary lately, I'm thinking of reprising my old thread, "Are all Black Lesbians this Stupid?"

  13. by islander on September 15, 2022 12:30 pm

    We don’t have open borders that is a subjective term and this makes it meaningless for this discussion.

    

We’ve never had open borders (actual-open-borders) in any of our lifetimes. Some people use the term open borders to inflame the people’s emotions that they want to inflame. Trump, for instance, claimed Hillary and Biden want open borders and he now says that under Biden we have open borders. The sad fact is many in our own country, without giving it much thought, now actually believe we do, or at least spread the idea. So if a migrant believes we have open borders it’s because of the people “claiming” we do.

    One of the positive things about this forum (at least for me) is that it gives us a glimpse into the mindsets and the personalities of of the liberals and the Trump/DeSantis conservatives posting here, and it shows how different each side is in the way they view and respond to life.

  14. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 12:35 pm

    One of the positive things about this forum (at least for me) is that it gives us a glimpse into the mindsets and the personalities of of the liberals and the Trump/DeSantis conservatives posting here, and it shows how different each side is in the way they view and respond to life.

    Interesting.

    Me, too.

    I, however, do it unself-righteously.

  15. by islander on September 15, 2022 12:36 pm

    With regard to the book I recommended that relates so strongly to the Martha’s Vineyard incident we are witnessing today (When The World Came To Town). I found this review to be spot on and I’d like to think that most Americans would respond this way.

This took place in a little town up in Newfoundland, Canada.



    ”When 38 jetliners bound for the United States were forced to land at Gander International Airport in Canada by the closing of U.S. airspace on September 11, the population of this small town on Newfoundland Island swelled from 10,300 to nearly 17,000. The citizens of Gander met the stranded passengers with an overwhelming display of friendship and goodwill.


    As the passengers stepped from the airplanes, exhausted, hungry and distraught after being held on board for nearly 24 hours while security checked all of the baggage, they were greeted with a feast prepared by the townspeople. Local bus drivers who had been on strike came off the picket lines to transport the passengers to the various shelters set up in local schools and churches. Linens and toiletries were bought and donated. A middle school provided showers, as well as access to computers, email, and televisions, allowing the passengers to stay in touch with family and follow the news.
    Over the course of those four days, many of the passengers developed friendships with Gander residents that they expect to last a lifetime. As a show of thanks, scholarship funds for the children of Gander have been formed and donations have been made to provide new computers for the schools. This book recounts the inspiring story of the residents of Gander, Canada, whose acts of kindness have touched the lives of thousands of people and been an example of humanity and goodwill.”

  16. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 1:02 pm

    I think our southern states were like that for the first 2,000,000 illegals.

  17. by islander on September 15, 2022 1:16 pm

    Yup! They are doing it here too and I'm proud of 'em

    bostonglobe.com

  18. by Donna on September 15, 2022 1:18 pm

    "I knew that, to the Woke, that term would resonate." - Hts

    I image that the n-word would "resonate" too. But carry on. I'm fine with you showing everyone how ignorant you are.

  19. by HatetheSwamp on September 15, 2022 2:57 pm

    Nah. Just "darkies."

  20. by oldedude on September 15, 2022 3:19 pm
    "Florida needs and depends on migrants. DeSantis thinks treating humans like cattle with this little stunt will please his base, but t’s going to backfire on him."
    "MIGRANTS" is the key operative word, NOT illegals. Those that migrated here legally won't even hire the illegals. Legal aliens are actually proud to live here and they're working hard to provide their family the American dream. Much more than whiney "americans" that want everything handed to them. DeSantis is still working hard with DHS and DEA on cases with the state's full cooperation. After the stunt in Mar a Lago, I'm not sure if DOJ and FBI will operate as effective as they could have for a few years. Miami had the biggest GOP turnout it ever had in the Primaries. The Latinos are voting GOP. They've seen what pedojoe and his minions want and it's the same thing that happened in their countries, which are now pretty well 3d world shtholes with people eating out of garbage trucks and walking to the Tri-border area to get essential medications they don't have there.

    Newsome has created a cartel haven in their own desert. Which makes sense because the area around Joshua Tree has been consider the Gate to Hell since the Spaniards rolled through the area. The Gate to Heaven is Israel, the other place in the world Joshua Trees grow naturally.
    Mexican drug cartels' operations in southern California exposed in Jorge Ventura's new documentary with Daily Caller
    "Daily Caller field reporter Jorge Ventura has released "Cartelville, USA," an investigative documentary on Mexican drug cartels in Southern California that are starting up illegal marijuana operations, taking over small towns, stealing water from local communities in the targeted areas, and threatening working-class Americans.

    Crime has spiked since the operations have exploded in Los Angeles County, which are connected to human trafficking as the cartels smuggle migrants across America's southern border with Mexico to work the operations.

    Small towns in Southern California have been overrun by gang activity, causing local residents to flee. The Daily Caller's investigative team led by Ventura went in the trenches to find out how dangerous the cartels are and examine the urgent threat that can be felt in one part of America more than ever before."

    huffpost.com

  21. by Ponderer on September 16, 2022 7:16 am

    What DeSantis did is a deplorable commentary on the sociopathic inhumanity of the Republican party. Treating fellow human beings, in the most desperate predicaments of helplessness in their lives, like rolls of toilet paper they TP their political foes houses with. What a disgusting display of wanton cruelty. There is absolutely no sane excuse or justification for such a deplorable prank.

    DeSantis is thoroughly and unabashedly despicable. But the inhuman MAGA hats Hate and olde dude will vote for him without a critical thought in their solid bone-filled heads. Birds of a feather and all I suppose.

  22. by HatetheSwamp on September 16, 2022 7:25 am

    Welcome back, po.

  23. by Ponderer on September 16, 2022 7:33 am

    GFY, Bill.

  24. by HatetheSwamp on September 16, 2022 7:40 am

    po. You have a nice day!

  25. by Ponderer on September 16, 2022 9:16 am

    I must apologize for my brusqueness, Bill. It's just that I have completely and totally lost all respect for you as a thinking person and have no patience left for your sociopathic, pig-ignorant, cultish hero worship and defense of Trump and your willfully blind subservience to the boundlessly immoral Republican party.

    I know you're just feigning politeness in an attempt to take the high road. But unfortunately for you, you've never been anywhere near it. Your politeness is nothing but lipstick on pigshit.

    Have a nice day yourself.

  26. by oldedude on September 16, 2022 11:01 am
    DiSantis sent them to a amnesty city. One that chooses to accept them, carte blanche. It could be worse. He could have put children in cages like obomber did.

  27. by HatetheSwamp on September 16, 2022 11:59 am

    DiSantis sent them to a amnesty city.

    And, that's the point. Neither Florida nor Texas nor Arizona are sanctuary states.

    The places innocent illegals, bahahahahahahahahahaha, are being sent, ALL, voluntarily designed themselves havens...sanctuaries...for illegal immigrants.

    How any of them can complain seems hypocritical to me.

  28. by islander on September 16, 2022 1:53 pm

    Nobody is accusing DeSantis of being hypocritical. He makes no bones of not wanting them in his state. The immigrants he sent to Martha’s Vineyard were asylum seekers awaiting official official approval of their status.

    For asylum seekers to come to come to and OR be this country under those conditions is not illegal.

 What DeSantis is being condemned for is ‘using them’ and treating them like cattle. What the folks in Marta’s Vineyard are being praised for is giving them aid and treating those refugees compassionately like the human beings that they are.

    

“Asylum is a protection grantable to foreign nationals already in the United States or arriving at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.”  Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.  Asylum is technically a “discretionary” status, meaning that some individuals can be denied asylum even if they meet the definition of a refugee. For those individuals, a backstop form of protection known as “withholding of removal” may be available to protect them from harm if necessary.
    As a signatory to the 1967 Protocol, and through U.S. immigration law, the United States has legal obligations to provide protection to those who qualify as refugees.”

    americanimmigrationcouncil.org

  29. by HatetheSwamp on September 16, 2022 2:06 pm

    What the folks in Marta’s Vineyard are being praised for is giving them aid and treating those refugees compassionately like the human beings that they are.

    Baha, isle. They ain't being praised any more.

    ******

    Migrants sent by Florida Gov. DeSantis to Martha's Vineyard headed to Cape Cod military base

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

    Those enlightened white progressives on Martha's Vinyard couldn't stand to put up with them darn darkies for one whole day!

    Keeheeheeheeheeheehee.

    You white progressives are so cute in your hypocrisy.

    Hoohoohoohoohoohoohoo, ahhhhhhhhhhh!
    usatoday.com

  30. by oldedude on September 16, 2022 2:16 pm
    "Asylum is a protection grantable to foreign nationals already in the United States or arriving at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.”"

    Unbeknownst to the sheep, people in this category must prove the status upon entering and enter LEGALLY. You are disqualified if you enter illegally. Yagotstaplaythegame.

    I won't argue that the system doesn't need reform, but both sides are guilty of not pressing this forward and doing what needs to be done.

  31. by islander on September 17, 2022 5:11 am
    This is what the first sentence of the quote says:

    "Asylum is a protection grantable to foreign nationals already in the United States or arriving at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” 

The immigrants sent to Martha’s Vineyard were already in the United States and were in various stages of the process to obtain their asylum seeker status.

    Aug. 26, 2022 ...”Two weeks after a federal judge allowed the Biden administration to end the Trump-era Migrant Protection Protocols, U.S. judges are beginning to allow migrants to stay in the country as their asylum claims are pending.”

    This is still in contention.

This ongoing dissension has caused a divide among those who see allowing them to remain as the right and decent thing to do, and those who demand that they be deported out of the country. I’m very much in favor of allowing asylum seekers to safely remain here until their asylum status has been officially approved without regard to “how” they managed to make it here. If someone is disqualified then that person would be subject to the same laws that apply to any other immigrant.


    rescue.org
    texastribune.org

  32. by oldedude on September 17, 2022 5:59 am
    So you're saying that what you said, may or may not apply. Got it.

    These were fifty (count'm, 50) people that were sent to MA. And they are being were sent to a place with a bunch of "no one is illegal," "we welcome everyone," signs in their yards. Yet, the get 50 people and you all are up in arms about it.

    So the sheeple and libbles only look at one facet and purposefully (meaning knowingly and with intent) ignore the rest. They absolutely do not/ will not look at the human trafficking selling girls and boys into sex slavery.
    "A recent image of Ecuadorian girls, aged 3 and 5, being dropped like packages over the southern border wall shocked many Americans. But it didn’t shock experts who say that human traffickers are busier than ever under President Biden, who has expedited the flow of migrants over the US-Mexico border.

    The Biden policy, which puts pressure on border agents to release families and unaccompanied minors into the US within 72 hours, incentivizes impoverished Latin Americans to send their kids on the perilous journey up north — which many of them do not survive. What’s more, it has encouraged traffickers to pose as the parents of these children to slip into the US."

    Another side of this, after raising Hell about the deaths of the Chinese Virus and accelerated by the same is the fentanyl issue.
    As the new year rolls in, Drug Enforcement Administration Divisions across the U.S. are seeing overdose deaths climb at an alarming rate, especially those caused by the synthetic opioid, fentanyl. Only weeks ago, the DEA reported overdose deaths in the U.S. had topped 100,000 for the first time over a 12-month period ending last spring. Jarod Forget, Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of the DEA’s Washington Division is taking this personally.

    For a party that used to actually care about human beings, they're letting these true tragedies let be forgotten to protect pedojoe and the hierarchy of their religion.


    nypost.com
    dea.gov

  33. by islander on September 17, 2022 6:22 am
    "These were fifty (count'm, 50) people that were sent to MA. And they are being were sent to a place with a bunch of "no one is illegal," "we welcome everyone," signs in their yards. Yet, the get 50 people and you all are up in arms about it"

    Up in arms about what? Naturally we think treating people like cattle and using them for a political stunt Stinks!

    However I'm quite proud of how the people in Martha's Vineyard responded to the unannounced arrival of those asylum seekers. It's the way I think we should respond and it shows what I think is the true soul of the people in our country and it helps renew my faith in our country.

    I also realize that not everyone feels that way but we each form our own principles and values and that's how we create who we are...so different people will respond differently.


  34. by HatetheSwamp on September 17, 2022 6:41 am

    In my opinion, the greatest act of compassion in this is DeSantis sending the, uh, asylum seekers, to a community so blatantly open and inclusive...at least in word. As it turns out, not in deed...since these poor people are now confined to a military facility.

    But, you can't blame DeSantis for trusting these white progressives to live what they claimed to believe.

  35. by islander on September 17, 2022 7:23 am

    I remember this:

    Nicole Hemmer

    "A civil rights leader called it “a hypocritical effort to gain cheap publicity.” When asked whether the city would send the migrants back south, a city commissioner responded, “I have neither the authority nor the desire to send anyone back anywhere he doesn’t want to go.”

    It was the spring of 1962, and officials in New York and other cities were grappling with how best to respond to an outrageous act: the decision of southern segregationists to begin funding one-way trips to the North for Black citizens in what they called “reverse Freedom Rides” – a jab at the efforts of civil rights activists to desegregate interstate travel.

    Officials understood it was both a publicity stunt (as historian Clive Webb has documented, segregationists tipped off local media to the arrival of migrants) and an act of stunning cruelty (segregationists lied to migrants, saying jobs and housing awaited them in their new cities.)

    Sixty years later, the reverse Freedom Rides feel newly resonant, as governors in Texas and Florida scheme to ship migrants and refugees from the South to northern cities with Democrats in power. On Wednesday, 50 migrants arrived in Martha’s Vineyard, an island in Massachusetts that serves as a summer destination for wealthy New Englanders and well-heeled, well-connected people like former President Barack Obama.
    cnn.com

  36. by HatetheSwamp on September 17, 2022 8:07 am

    Even on the right, commentators agree that what the three governors are doing is a political stunt. They also agree that it's an effective stunt.

    It's unveiling layers of progressive hypocrisy. But, this Martha's Vinyard deal makes white progressivism look like the pure moral filth that it is.

  37. by oldedude on September 17, 2022 8:17 am
    So you're saying it's okay when the dims do it? but not the GOP. Got it. I'll give it to you though, at least we knew who the people were in the 1960's and they were citizens, which I find your support to be disconcerting.

    And remember, it's the dims that want to put conservatives in "re-education camps." So I see you supporting it again.

  38. by islander on September 17, 2022 8:36 am

    Hate calls this "pure moral filth"

    I call this the way we should act. It's an inspiration for the rest of us...But like I said earlier, different people have different values.

    "In addition to the donations, the towns on the island as well as community-based and nonprofit groups helped in the effort to care for the migrants and offer them shelter, food and care, according to a Facebook post from the Dukes County government.

    “We are grateful to the many local and neighboring community members who have reached out with offers of support,” county officials wrote in the post.

    Residents from across the island and other parts of the country raised more than $175,000 after the migrants’ arrival, according to Beth Folcarelli, CEO of the nonprofit Martha’s Vineyard Community Services. And while there were some large donations consisting of multiple thousands of dollars, most of the donations made for the migrants were contributions between $50 to $100, Folcarelli said.

    “In just two days we built such a connection between the volunteers who worked at the shelter and really providing and working with the migrants to really take some next steps for their future in this country,” she said.

    On Friday, the migrants were transported to a military base to receive shelter and humanitarian support, officials said.

    Before they left, all those who needed a cell phone were provided a mobile device with a US-based number, and they were all given a $50 Visa card, with the help of funds raised by the community, Folcarelli said.

    “We did come together, and I think were able to organize really in a very short time, get things going for them,” she added. “People stepped forward right away.”
    cnn.com

  39. by HatetheSwamp on September 17, 2022 8:59 am

    I call this the way we should act. It's an inspiration for the rest of us...But like I said earlier, different people have different values.

    Designating yourself "Sanctuary," posting "Everyone is welcome" in every business and saying, "GET your scrawny dark a$$es out of here" in a day is the very definition of hypocrisy.

  40. by oldedude on September 17, 2022 11:12 am
    isle, but the dims did it. They were the ones in the south that transported blacks out.

    And, as it was shown to you earlier, dims are the ones that want to put conservatives in "re-education" camps. Is that what you're talking about pedophile joe doing? Will that "get rid of conservatives" to your liking?

  41. by Donna on September 19, 2022 5:22 pm

    "Dims" want to put conservatives in re-education camps? LOL! I've never heard that one. Sounds like something Tucker Carlson would say. Who were those "dims"?

  42. by oldedude on September 19, 2022 6:22 pm
    That's pretty funny! You actually responded to this several times. Yes, I've only posted this at least three times now, you've responded to all of them saying that you had never heard of it before. So you keep lying about this (since you "say" you don't smoke weed anymore).

    These are unmistakability like isle...

    "Another undercover exposé from Project Veritas shed new light on Bernie Sanders’ 2020 campaign this week, with a different field organizer calling for Republican re-education camps while urging supporters to “Guillotine the Rich.”

    Narrator" “I’ll straight up get armed…I’m ready for the ‘f**king revolution’; ‘Guillotine the rich’; ‘send Republicans to re-education camps,” said Sanders’ South Carolina field organizer."

    BREAKING: 2ND PAID STAFFER PRAISES GULAGS

    "South Carolina @BernieSanders Field Organizer @martinthemanic: "I'll straight up get armed…I'm ready for the "f**king revolution"; "Guillotine the rich"; 'send Republicans to re-education camps'

    FULL RELEASE 12:00PM#Expose2020 pic.twitter.com/tUCeKEY6aM

    — James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) January 21, 2020

    “What will happen is we send all the Republicans to the re-education camps,” he added. “Can you imagine Mitch McConnell? Lindsey Graham?” he asked."

    I know what you've said, and what you're going to say...

    Listen to the Youtube all the way through. It will support your claims a bit.
    lawenforcementtoday.com
    youtube.com
    hannity.com

  43. by Donna on September 19, 2022 8:04 pm

    Sheesh, that's your example? You actually wonder why I didn't remember that? I do now. But it was so lame that I had forgotten about it.

    I didn't think that any Democrat who held a position of power in the party, or even a Democratic Congressional rep would have said that, so I'm not at all surprised that you came up with essentially nothing.




  44. by oldedude on September 19, 2022 9:04 pm
    So if this were a Trump issue, you'd be all over it with "FACTS" "HE SAID IT ON TAPE. THAT'S INDESPUTIBLE EVIDENCE!"

    You're pitiful. really fukking pitiful. This is one of those things that really shows you're nothing but a willing lacky for the LWO. One that will lie, cheat, steal, and murder for them.

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