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I've never felt so bad for someone I dislike so much.
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August 17, 2022 1:04 pm
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What has happened to Liz Cheney is a perfect example of just how far gone the GQP is today. All she did was stand up and defend the Constitution against a blatant and demonstrable Threat Domestic that happened to be the leader of her party. The vast majority of Republicans today seem to believe that American democracy is a disposable thing when it doesn't suit their purposes. Law and the Constitution can be used for toilet paper if it doesn't facilitate their maintaining of power.

The Constitution is supposed to be what our elected representatives swear to protect. Not some career criminal bent on turning this country into his own private dictatorship like you cretins do. All Liz did was to do exactly what she swore to do. And she is paying for it with her political career.

I don't think I have ever sided with a single thing she has done or supported before her defense of the Constitution against Trump. As a rabid conservative who voted with Trump on practically every issue put before her, I believe that she and her policies have been part of what is destroying this country for some time now. But it actually saddens my heart quite a lot for the future of this country to see someone who is only doing their job to the best of their sworn ability be set upon by wild beasts in the Colosseum arena like a Christian martyr in ancient Rome. She absolutely does not deserve it at all.

Yet she took it all with class and a devotion to American democracy and the Constitution she swore to protect. She stood there with her arms spread wide as the gates were opened and the lions rushed to tear her throat open. Just like those ancient Christian martyrs did in the face of their inhuman treatment.

She has paid a martyr's price for being on the right side of things and being willing to suffer for her sworn, patriotic duty. I am certainly going to enjoy her being a thorn in the side of your Felonious Golden Calf of a cult leader for the rest of his existence though. And boy oh boy is his fate certainly going to be far worse than hers I tell ya what.

You idiots and the majority of Republicans don't give a fuq about American democracy. You see it as The Enemy. You and they have definitively and undeniably proven this over and over and over and over and over and over again. But you sycophantic, deranged MAGA junkies will certainly forever deny it. You don't give a flying fuq about the law or the Constitution or the truth if it doesn't go your way. Fuq anything that stands in the way of your controlling everything: truth, morality, ethics, law, your religion... everything. All that matters to you assholes is that you win. You don't give a damn how you go about it, as long as you win. Constitution, Schmonstitution as far as you care. You are the most despicable excuses for Americans alive right now.

If your winning means that this country is turned into an authoritarian nightmare that makes Somalia blush, you wouldn't give a flying rat's ass about it. As long as you win. That's all that matters to you fuqqing unpatriotic reprobates of American democracy.

You forgive every misdemeanor an felony committed by your leaders and party members if it helps your side win. You will support them to the end, regardless of how insane or blatantly criminal or sociopathic they are or how perfectly idiotic it turns out you look for your support for them was.

In fact, your cultish devotion to your party and Trump extends to such a degree that if the '24 election actually ends up being between Trump and any Democrat, you will dutifully vote for Trump and you fuqqing know it. It doesn't matter what you bloviate now. You'll just lie and spout whatever hypocrisy suits your psychopathic desires at the time. Your words are meaningless bullshit.

...As will now be evidenced by the asinine, pig-ignorant and total bullshit you will copiously and projectile vomit up in here in response to this thread.

Just watch as I am proved correct.............


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  1. by oldedude on August 17, 2022 1:23 pm
    Actually, I think the Republic worked as it does. The major problem with lizzie borton was that she made it her mission to turn completely TDS and not do her job. Two of the other GOP members that voted for impeachment are not having any more issue than before. Lizzie borton kept on this Homer bandwagon and wouldn't get off. Her misread of the voters that she serves did her in.

  2. by Ponderer on August 17, 2022 1:33 pm

    "The major problem with lizzie borton was that she made it her mission to turn completely TDS and not do her job." -od

    And right off the bat with the blithering, nonsensical denial of reality.

    So you think she should have joined in with nearly all the other Republicans who were perfectly happy to allow Trump to wipe his fat orange ass with the Constitution any way he wanted to?


    And you think he should have gotten away with it?

  3. by islander on August 17, 2022 1:38 pm

    You nailed it Pondy ! 👍

    Lis is now purportedly entertaining a run for the Presidency. This would be a disaster for the very "Republicans" that booted her out, otherwise known as the "Trump party". Especially if she runs as a third party candidate. She would then give the Republican voters a choice between a genuine conservative Republican, and the guy so many now acknowledge as despicable. The Trump party is on it's way out and this is going to help drive the nail in its coffin.

  4. by HatetheSwamp on August 17, 2022 1:46 pm think she should have joined in with nearly all the other Republicans who were perfectly happy to allow Trump to wipe his fat orange ass with the Constitutionany way he wanted to?


    Curt should PAY you to inflict your unique subjectivity on the Post.

    Other performance artists may money...good money.

  5. by Ponderer on August 17, 2022 1:49 pm

    "Her misread of the voters that she serves did her in." -od

    I see. So instead of defending the Constitution as she swore to do when she was elected, she should have supported allowing a blatantly felonious criminal get away with all his crimes against it, even if it meant flushing any semblance of honor, duty, and morality she had down the toilet

    I see that you are of the school that she should have done whatever was necessary to win the election, regardless of her sworn oath to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

    So if her voters are fine with allowing Trump to wipe his ass with the Constitution, she should have done what they wanted and her oath to the Constitution can go fuq itself. I see.

    Whatever was required to win. If her voters want a candidate who supports taking a dump on the American flag and the rule of law in this country and sides with and defends a career criminal devoid of any care or concern for any other human being other than himself, then that's what she should have been for them. I see.

    Proving yet again what a miserably despicable excuse for an American citizen you are, olde dude.

  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 17, 2022 1:59 pm

    This would be a disaster for the very "Republicans" that booted her out, otherwise known as the "Trump party".

    Thing is, isle, GOPs who don't support Trump, isle and pb, for example, are appalled with the Lizmeister. That she's allowed herself to be duped by the Dems to become the face of their show trial, shows that she lacks the character and temperament to be president.

    On the issues, pb and she are compatible. But, pb'd NEVER leave the GOPs to vote for her.

  7. by Ponderer on August 17, 2022 2:03 pm

    "That she's allowed herself to be duped by the Dems" -Hate

    Ah............ the projection!

    You are a willfully ignorant, despicable idiot, Bill. There are few people in the world that have been as thoroughly duped as you are.

  8. by Ponderer on August 17, 2022 2:04 pm

    Liz would never survive a primary because she is not willing to let the leader of the party destroy the Constitution.


  9. by islander on August 17, 2022 2:05 pm

    Hate wrote: On the issues, pb and she are compatible. But, pb'd NEVER leave the GOPs to vote for her."

    That's because you put loyalty to the party above doing the right thing and doing what's best for the country. No surprise there.

  10. by Ponderer on August 17, 2022 2:14 pm

    "On the issues, pb and she are compatible. But, pb'd NEVER leave the GOPs to vote for her." -Hate

    You nailed him, Isle.

    Hate wouldn't ever vote for her, even though policy-wise she's his wet dream, is that when push comes to shove, she won't help her party's leaders get away with committing crimes and destroying the Constitution and American democracy.

  11. by oldedude on August 17, 2022 4:21 pm
    pond. I was going to answer your hate-filled question, but naaaaawwwwwwww... you're not worth my time.

    That ws actually from an interview with one of the head dims. Because the other nine are doing okay...

    FYSA- It's the same TDS that you ( have.

  12. by oldedude on August 18, 2022 12:39 pm
    You have a lot of anger issues, which have been going on for years, and are continual and constant.

  13. by Donna on August 18, 2022 1:52 pm

    islander: I'm not as convinced as you are that a presidential bid by Cheney would help the Democratic candidate, nor are the political analysts I've read, one of whom said it would ensure a Trump win.

    If she ran as a Republican, she would certainly lose the bid for GOP nomination. But if she ran as an indie, 1) no Trumpers, who comprise sbout 70% of the party would vote for her, 2) most of the remaining 30% of registered GOPs voters would vote for her, many of whom voted for Biden last election, so that would be taking votes away from the Dem nominee, 3) probably about a third of registered indies would vote for her (but that's difficult to predict), and 4) condidering Biden's dismal poll numbers, she would almost certainly pull some registered Dems from Biden and possibly even a significant amount from any Dem nominee.

  14. by oldedude on August 18, 2022 2:58 pm
    I honestly don't think she'll ever get off the TDS. I want someone that will take care of the issues with the Nation, not just "I hate Trump" a million times a day. I've heard it for the past year+.

  15. by Donna on August 18, 2022 3:34 pm
    Calling someone TDS is meaningless. It's what Trump apologists do when there's no defense for him, which is why they use it so frequently. It's like saying "Nuh uh" in a debate.

  16. by islander on August 18, 2022 3:47 pm

    Donna- I read that as well but I still think a third party run by Cheney would be devastating to the present Trump former-Republican party if Trump were the nominee

 and Cheney could be the one to save the Classic Republican party in the long run.

    If She ran as the 'official' Republican Candidate I think she would be extremely formidable and could probably beat Biden if he were to run again. Most of the my Democrat friends and relatives that I’ve spoken with feel the same way I do that ‘if” Cheney were to win the presidency, even though we disagree on most of her policy issues and even though she is not a Democrat, we would not be anywhere near as worried or concerned about the future of our country and our democracy as we would be if Trump were ever to become president again. That’s how presidential races used to be if your party lost...and many people on both sides would like to get back to that.

    Fortunately the Republicans have cut their own throat by booting Cheney out. Democrats still outnumber Republicans so Republicans can’t afford to lose the huge number of moderate Republicans and the true conservative Republicans who would gladly choose Cheney over Trump. I think they are mistakenly identifying the 70% of Republicans they claim as Trump supporters with his hard core base which is only about 30%. 

I think the 70% figure is counting those Republicans who would choose Trump over a “Democrat candidate” and assuming they would still vote for Trump over another (real) Republican who has integrity, represents their values, and is a genuine conservative. They might not be willing to vote for Biden but would jump at the chance to vote for Cheney rather than having to hold their nose and vote for Trump again, and I think most Independents who voted for Trump would see Cheney as a refreshing choice as well.

  17. by Donna on August 18, 2022 4:06 pm
    The mistake you're making is that you don't want to accept that the Republican Party has gone off the deep end, nor do you understand the intense hatred that even most anti-Trump Republicans have for Democrats.

    I mean just look at Hts and od - both Desantis supporters, yet neither supports Cheney. So much for your "truly conservative" Republicans.

    Plus, consider what just happened in the primaries. Nearly every Trump-endorsed candidate won.

    Snap out of it, islander. The GOP is still the party of Trump.

  18. by islander on August 18, 2022 4:58 pm

    "I mean just look at Hts and od - both Desantis supporters, yet neither supports Cheney. So much for your "truly conservative" Republicans."

    I see Hate and OD as perfect examples of the extreme "hate" side of the Republican Party and that gives me confidence that the rest of the Republican haters are just as bumbling and stumbling as they are. "And" they are the only ones we constantly see here. There are millions of Americans on both sides with more intellectual and internal integrity than the two haters we have here.

    The hard core Trumpists and haters are the 'loudest' of the Republican party and I fully expect them to win in many of the current Republican primaries. But the Republican primaries are are a far cry from the general election. The more nut cases they can put in the general election the better I feel.

    And don't forget, Liz has promised to do everything she can to make sure Trump will never be president again. And she has a lot of influence and power behind her. She will be working very hard, and...oftentimes the good guys really do win in the end.

    As you can tell, I'm very optimistic ! Just like I was when Joe was nominated to be the man to beat Trump when Trump controlled the entire Republican party which is now splitting apart...and Joe did it.He beat Trump !

  19. by Donna on August 18, 2022 5:46 pm
    Maine Republicans aren't representative of Republicans nationally.

    I agree with you that in a general election, Trump would lose again. It would be best if Ms. Cheney left well enough alone. I think she will.

  20. by Donna on August 18, 2022 5:49 pm
    But I don't think Trump will run. In such case, if Desantis won the nomination, he might be harder to beat.

  21. by oldedude on August 18, 2022 6:24 pm
    I really find it interesting that you "claim" you hate Anti constitutionalists.
    And yet, when I talk about the constitution, you (both) are telling me some Gestapo bull***t about how someone doesn't have this right or that right, or the government can erase the constitution with a warrant. You both are no better than the brown shirts during Kristallnacht. This is what I'm afraid of. And millions of others are afraid of. And what your Liberal World Order is for. It's why you lie about it and change your position like pondy did when she wanted the precinct torched, then only that one. then not at all and WE were liars.

    I don't care about Trump. I think there are much better leaders than him, especially in the conservative field. He is something that will come and go. The ideas of conservative values are here and will stay. Indy was right. The revolution has already started. You're a part and parcel of it. I accept that and are willing to discuss it.

    i.e. I reserve the right as a grandparent that my grandchild (as I supported my children before them) if they are gay, they will still be loved and accepted by me and my house. Even if someone else shuns them. They have a home and family. It is NOT up to the ******* schools to teach that. especially in k-3.

    Donna. Honestly, this is why I suggested you look into this. Do I agree with it? no. Not the issue. I just want you informed. I want you a better person for you.

    Isle. I don't care one way or the other about you.

  22. by oldedude on August 18, 2022 6:40 pm
    So Donna. I was on a role. The essence is correct. Your hatred is more than your logic. Of everyone, that saddens me. I think your true heart is there. but damn!

  23. by Donna on August 18, 2022 11:36 pm
    I've never claimed that I "hate" anti-constitutionalists. I rarely even use the word hate.

    I'll tell you something I don't appreciate, though - when someone claims I said something or believe something that I didn't say or I don't believe, and then tasks me to defend myself. You do that frequently. If you want to challenge me on something you think I said or believe, then show where I said it. Often you get the wrong impression about something I said or believe.

    Whenever you claim that something I support is unconstitutional, my argument has always been that I don't think it's unconstitutional.

    My politics is very simple. I support policies that I believe will help working class people or humankind, and I support politicians who advocate for those policies. I don't study political ideologies and I've never been interested in political science. I earned a bachelor's degree in Mathematics with a minor in Computer Science, and my career was in the field of computer programming and analysis. I'm a nuts and bolts math and science nerd, but my first love is music. I used to play guitar in a rock band I formed back in the late 70s. We were pretty good and we played two or three hundred gigs. My favorite musical style is blues-based rock. And I love baseball.

    I'm just trying to enjoy my semi-retirement now.

  24. by oldedude on August 19, 2022 8:16 am
    "I'll tell you something I don't appreciate, though - when someone claims I said something or believe something that I didn't say or I don't believe, and then tasks me to defend myself. You do that frequently."
    DITTO. You constantly "accuse" me of being something I'm not. That I didn't say, or I don't believe. You think I'm an "unconstitutionalist?" When I have been arguing the constitution for the last week and a half? Wnen Isle said the government could take anything they wanted in a warrant?

    AND TDS is a thing. Your wife and Isle are the worst, Curt is quieter about it, but still bases his decisions on hurting Trump. I challenge you on things you have said. I don't know any other side of you.

    Here are (again) the traits of the Liberal World Order.
    The first three of these are richer countries subsidizing poorer nations.
    1. Common, and basic medical care for everyone.
    2. Common governments
    3. education wider spread
    4. No tariffs between countries
    5. Government control over pharma, and testing.

    Those are the basics. It kind of falls under Lennon's Imagine.

  25. by Donna on August 20, 2022 10:12 am
    No, I didn't say that you were an "unconstitutionalist" ( Is that even a word? ) - I said that sometimes I disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution, as you sometimes disagree with my own and others' interpretations of the Constitution. Even political scholars and SC justices often disagree with each others' interpretations of the Constitution.

    Btw, when I get something wrong about you, I post a correction and apologize.

  26. by Ponderer on August 20, 2022 10:45 am

    Donna, that "'unconstitutionalist'" bullshit was a great example of olde dude asserting that you said something that you never said. He even put it in quotes to fully drive home his blatant misrepresentation of what you said. It's never hard or takes very long to find an example of him doing that to people. Classic od.

  27. by oldedude on August 20, 2022 9:17 pm
    I would take that from her and correct myself. I honestly don't know who in the fuk I'm reading at this point. You. I don't trust beyond a period..

  28. by Ponderer on August 20, 2022 11:51 pm

    Sorry about that, od. From now on, if Donna has already begun to talk to you, I will refrain from joining in, so as not to further confuse you.

    It can be really difficult to hold a conversation with more than one person at a time, eh?

  29. by islander on August 21, 2022 4:52 am

    Ponderer~You’re wasting your time trying to carry on a genuine discussion with olddude for the very reasons you stated.


He seems to think that he can tell you what you must think even though you don’t think what he says. What he does is mischaracterize what you actually said and then claim that is what you must believe or must think.

    This is the result of his flawed way of thinking that goes something like this, “If you say X then it must mean (insert his own mischaracterization).”


For example, from his recent post; ”Wnen Isle said the government could take anything they wanted in a warrant?” (we'd been discussing Trump's passports). Of course I never said that. What I said was that the government, with a legal warrant can seize your your private property as specified in the warrant. However, if something, or part of what they seized is not related to the specific crime being investigated (te reason for the warrant), it must be returned to the owner.

    Personally, I simply don’t have time to waste getting into arguments like that.

  30. by oldedude on August 21, 2022 5:42 am
    ”When Isle said the government could take anything they wanted in a warrant?” Of course I never said that. What I said was that the government, with a legal warrant can seize your your private property as specified in the warrant."

    Actually you did say they had the right to take anything they wanted. At least be an adult, not a gelding. If you're going to change your mind (which may happen in a discussion), just own up to it. Don't lie about it. Both Donna and I have done that at times and honed our arguments.

  31. by oldedude on August 21, 2022 7:45 am
    Isle- The main reason I don't answer you much, and avoid pond is that Pond's posts are riddled with angry, hate filled comments, or they're "gotcha" questions that she demands you answer with either a yes or no. There is no "Discussion" like there is with Donna and Curt. You just plain don't read posts and then attack on what you "think" is said. And God forbid someone disagrees with you. Again, you haven't answered if you really live near Ottawa. You sound exactly like another poster on the other site. Been everywhere, done everything, and never admitted he was wrong even when facts were in front of him.

    Regarding lizzie borton. What I stated about her is the feeling of Wyomingites. I don't really care because I'm not in her district. Would I vote for her? No. Why? because she's a true swamp creature that is so imbedded in too busy trying to destroy a person that "wronged" her father. I understand family loyalty, but if you're a politician, don't make that your platform. Look at issues. Wyoming has been really hit by pedojoe's oil policy. What used to be a major piece of their income is now dead. She doesn't care about that. And, her "residence" was daddy's vacation home, so there were disputes about her actually being from the state. After all of this, she lost by 37+%. That's a pretty big margin for an incumbent. Obviously, the voters in her district made a choice.

  32. by islander on August 21, 2022 7:56 am

    Ponderer~olddude needs to learn how we substantiate our claims of “so and so said X”. We copy and paste what the person said, put quotes around it and usually put it in bold print like this...

    ”by islander on August 17, 2022 5:49 am

    There is no dispute over who owns the documents. As far as anything else that Trump actually ‘owns’, such things related to a crime can be seized with a legally executed search warrant. If any material seized contains something protected by attorney client privilege, the protected material could not be made public or used against Trump in court and will be returned to him.”

    The date and time are not always necessary if the quote is from the currant thread and is being discussed and can easily be found by scrolling up a few posts.

    This was From Donna’s Article from Aug. 16th “Trump: 'It’s not theirs, it’s mine'”, if you want to see everything that was said in context. This was the thread where we were talking about the seizing of Trump’s passports and possible material containing attorney/client conversations.

    And again from that same thread, this is what I "actually" said.:

    ”The DOJ and the FBI did NOT say that they had no right to take Trumps passports. The legal search warrant makes absolutely clear the circumstance under which they could be and were taken.

 Obviously, they would not have that right if they simply saw his passports on the kitchen table and seized them. 

However, despite what our two resident Trolls for Trump might say, that’s not what happened. Naturally the FBI could seize classified documents but what the trolls refuse to address is what the warrant also says: along with any containers/boxes (including any other contents) in which such documents are located, as well as any other containers/boxes that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents and containers/boxes;” *Notice "including any other contents".

    If upon going through and examining the contents of the legally seized boxes and files, anything not pertinent to the criminal investigation would be returned to Trump (such as passports) as would any attorney/client privileged information unless the attorney was also knowingly involved in the crime itself. And this is exactly what happend with Trump’s passports, they expeditiously returned them to him as they should.”

  33. by oldedude on August 21, 2022 9:07 am
    It was prior to that. That was your second edit of what you said the first time.

  34. by islander on August 21, 2022 12:46 pm
    Never edited anything I've posted, everything I've ever posted is still here in its original. In fact I don't think it's possible to edit a comment after it's posted.

  35. by oldedude on August 21, 2022 2:12 pm
    Again, those were your later posts.

  36. by islander on August 21, 2022 6:49 pm
    Never edited a post AND I never said it which is why you can't quote me saying it.

  37. by oldedude on August 21, 2022 7:49 pm
    Editing posts was done before, and I suspect several times. I looked for stuff I posted and they were gone also. Just to be clear, it's only in the back of my mind and I don't think your editing anything.

    Secondly, I can't find the post right now, so I'll call it quits.

  38. by Donna on August 21, 2022 8:51 pm
    The only posts we can edit in this new format are new articles that we post.

  39. by oldedude on August 22, 2022 6:27 am
    Okay, that works.

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