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Clay and Buck on the Insurrection

By HatetheSwamp
July 27, 2022 9:43 am
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As I've said, there's a lot of guffawing on the right these days about how excited you Blue Ultra-MAGAs were, back in 021, that Trump got caught planning a failed insurrection against the government of the United States...

...and that he was going to be busted for it...

...and, how Blue Ultra-MAGAs have slithered away from that as quietly as possible...

...to try to make a big deal that Trump did nothing for 187 minutes.

Clay, who is a lawyer, said, "If you thought that Trump planned an insurrection, you're either lying or you're stupid."

I just want to say here and now:

po ain't a liar.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 10:06 am
    "...to try to make a big deal that Trump did nothing for 187 minutes." -HtS

    Have you noticed that Trump, uncharacteristically, has not uttered a word about the Uvalde cops who did nothing for 77 minutes? Just sayin'.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on July 27, 2022 10:17 am

    I'm pretty sure Trump talks about Uvalde in his current stump/rally speech.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 10:21 am
    Yes, but no criticism of the Uvalde cops' inaction.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on July 27, 2022 10:24 am

    I dunno. Watch a speech.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 10:32 am
    I know. He doesn't and didn't.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on July 27, 2022 10:35 am

    Omniscient, eh?


  7. by oldedude on July 27, 2022 2:36 pm
    Curt- this is one of the things Trump stayed out of, unlike obomber and pedojoe. Every time (save one) pedojoe remarked on a crime, it was wrong. Simple as that. Especially with police. He routinely convicts cops before they are allowed due process. And then, they are tried and found not guilty. He convicted Rittenhouse, who was found not guilty. There are times when you should let locals do their own thing. I do agree that Ulvalde was a cluster. It's being handled. Every cop has already had training on this. It's been in daily briefings.

    Ask your son how he feels about support from his city. Is he still going to Portland? I wouldn't touch that with your finger. There's no way any cop isn't under more scrutiny than ever. They're not getting any support. Their funds are being pulled (thanks to the dims).Their decision is to get involved and lose their life or their job, or just stay out of it.

    Why would you want anyone to add fuel to that fire.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 3:00 pm
    "Curt- this is one of the things Trump stayed out of..." --OD

    Are you kidding?!

    Donald Trump bought full-page newspaper ads calling for the execution of The Central Park Five in a case in which a woman was assaulted and raped---this before the boys were indicted. The five minority teenage boys were charged. convicted and imprisoned but later exonerated. DNA evidence proved who the real culprit was. The actual guilty party, a convicted murderer, confessed.

    As for my son, he's a cop in Las Vegas and seemingly happy with his treatment.

    usatoday.com


  9. by oldedude on July 27, 2022 9:14 pm
    Point taken on Central Park Five. And, you missed my point. It seemed like you were talking about bad-mouthing the cops. That's what I was talking about. Pedojoe and obomber spoke incessantly about how fukked up the police are, and how they all need to go to jail. I was even ridiculed about wanting to wait until the court came out. The ONLY one that I was forthwith was Chauvin. This started the "Defund the Police Movement" which the dims championed and as usual, are now renigging even though there's video tape of it.

    So that's what I was talking about. Take it or leave it.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 10:02 pm
    OD,
    I agree that politicians (and public figures generally) should not be condemning or even speculating on the guilt or innocence of defendants and suspects before a jury renders a decision.

    Obama and Biden did not speak "incessantly about how fukked up the police are". Nor by the way, have Biden or Obama ever called for defunding the police. Just the opposite. Biden's American Rescue Plan is being spent on police (and other things).

    The Capitol police were in an medieval-style battle with the insurrectionists. Those police, 100-plus were seriously injured in the melee, have expressed outrage at how Trump showered their attackers with compliments and said he "loves" them.
    whitehouse.gov


  11. by oldedude on July 27, 2022 10:22 pm
    Both of them did. obomber went on and on about "he knew how it was to be pulled over as a black man, yadayadayada. pedojoe may have not "called for" defunding the police, but he was sure there with the "readjustment of city authorizations" and "not selling or granting federal property the police can use."
    The "American enslavment Plan" re allocated funds in place of officers (social services, etc) to "be attached to police departments." The rest of the dims have, up until now, been insisting on the defunding programs and the DA's are more than helping. With several exceptions in the federal government, most of that has been on the local and state level.

    Pedojoe did instruct DOJ to help in any way possible in the case of Jayland Walker. And did condemn USBP for "whipping" Haitian Illegals and talked about it at ad nauseam. They were shown to be not only innocent, but also exonerated of "any and all wrongdoing" in the case. They were then told they were furloughed without pay for 2 weeks at the USBP convenience. That, I think is still up in the air as the fighting between USBP and workers continues in the unions and courts.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on July 27, 2022 10:31 pm
    Obama wasn't wrong. It's a fact that cops disproportionately pull over Black drivers.

    Border Patrol agents who confronted Haitian migrants in Del Rio in 2021 used "unnecessary" force, according to a long-awaited report released Friday by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
    sc.edu
    cnn.com
    npr.org


  13. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 7:14 am
    So that means white drivers should be pulled over more to satisfy "woke" critics? In obomber's case, you would have thought that someone that sold crack would have been more aware of how to do this.

    If this was the kid and his girlfriend. it was the kids fault, regardless of race, creed, colour, nationality, gender preference, place, time, or situation of the stop.
    1. He had a legal gun inwhich he had a concealed carry license
    2. He was stupid enough to put the gun between his legs
    3. He did EXACTLY what he shouldn't do on a stop
    3a. windows were closed
    3b. he did not have his license, registration, CCW permit in his hand by the time the officer was moving to his car.
    3c. When he reached for his "wallet" the cop saw the gun and it looked like he was going for it.

    Ergo, suicide by stupidity.

    USBP report that you referenced;
    "After interviews with agents and supervisors as well as journalists who were present, the report concluded there was “no evidence” that the agents “involved in this incident struck, intentionally or otherwise, any migrant with their reins.” Members of the Horse Patrol Unit use split reins that can be swirled to direct their horses."

    "Undo force?" Haitians don't like horses.

    Look, I know that you love protecting this pedophile (as told by his daughter), but this rabid holding to him is worse than the most extreme cases of Trumpianism. I know your religion demands that you do this, but next time just say, "my religion demands total adherence to the pedophile in charge."


  14. by Donna on July 28, 2022 8:49 am
    "Those police, 100-plus were seriously injured in the melee, have expressed outrage at how Trump showered their attackers with compliments and said he "loves" them." - Curt

    Actually it was over 150.


  15. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 9:43 am
    "by Donna on July 28, 2022 8:49 am
    "Those police, 100-plus were seriously injured in the melee, have expressed outrage at how Trump showered their attackers with compliments and said he "loves" them." - Curt

    Actually it was over 150."


    And in your "summer of Love Event," more than 60,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in the line of duty in 2020, including more than 40 who were killed, according to the FBI.

    AND the number of murders of police officers are up because of the "woke" crowd and DA's that won't prosecute, or hold violent criminals over for trial. I will say that during obomber years, we didn't see that much of an increase, if at all. The TDS left let go at the last year of Trump's era, and started murdering officers. Many of those in their own vehicles and were assassinations. Those MUST be Trump supporters, right? They couldn't be the poor victims of crime that are made to sling dope for a living? "Most of the assaults on officers happened after they responded to disturbance calls, including family quarrels and bar fights, according to the FBI.

    "Police officers across the country are facing an increase in violent crime and violent acts committed against them," said Laura Cooper, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association. "Facing these dangerous situations is another reason why it has been difficult for police agencies to find recruits who want to put on a uniform and put their lives on the line.""
    2016 181
    2017 185
    2018 184
    2019 149
    2020 373
    2021 472

    It's bad enough that police in NYC booed pedojoe on 9/11.
    wdrb.com
    abcnews.go.com
    youtube.com


  16. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 9:45 am
    So you may want to pick your fights elsewhere. And if you stand for the cops, don't do it at all y'all's political whim.


  17. by Donna on July 28, 2022 10:38 am
    "And in your "summer of Love Event," more than 60,000 law enforcement officers were assaulted in the line of duty in 2020, including more than 40 who were killed, according to the FBI."

    60,000 assaults and 40 killings of police didn't happen at "my" summer of love event.


  18. by Donna on July 28, 2022 10:48 am
    Few of the deaths linked to recent protests are known to have been caused by demonstrators; Rhetoric from Trump and conservative media paints a different picture

    While it's deplorable that any police were injured or killed at the 2020 protests. From the article:

    "A review of 27 deaths linked to either protests or subsequent violence since late May indicates that those ultimately alleged to be culpable, in cases where a suspect or perpetrator were identified, were almost never actually part of the protest movement."

    In a speech focused on police accountability two weeks later, Trump mentioned Mikalonis, though not by name.

    “In recent days, two members of law enforcement were killed amid riots and looting, and hundreds of police officers were injured just recently,” Trump said. “One officer was shot in the head and is now laying in a hospital, almost totally paralyzed.”

    The implication is clear: The protesters bear the blame.

    Mikalonis was allegedly shot by Edgar Samaniego, who was staying in a room at a TraveLodge near protests when he allegedly fired at Mikalonis. Samaniego has been charged with attempted murder. According to his arrest report, he was not part of the protest.
    washingtonpost.com


  19. by Donna on July 28, 2022 11:12 am
    In addition to what I posted in my previous post, from the same piece:

    When President Trump first addressed a surge in protests in late May and the looting and violence that often followed, he offered stark words about the damage being wrought.

    “A police precinct has been overrun here in the nation’s capital. The Lincoln Memorial and the World War II Memorial have been vandalized. One of our most historic churches was set ablaze. A federal officer in California, an African American enforcement hero, was shot and killed,” Trump said. “These are not acts of peaceful protests. These are acts of domestic terror.”

    On at least that last point, Trump was apparently correct. The death of Federal Protective Services Officer David Underwood in Oakland, Calif., was not at the hands of Black Lives Matter protesters or of looters who were taking advantage of the unrest. Rather, Underwood’s death on May 29 came after he was allegedly shot by Steven Carrillo, an Air Force staff sergeant who claimed to be acting as part of a far-right movement aimed at sowing chaos and discord. Carrillo was associated with the “boogaloo” movement, which hopes to spur a second American Civil War. The act, in other words, was much closer to “domestic terror” than the vandalization of the Lincoln Memorial.

    ***

    To my knowledge, zero police officers were killed by Black Lives Matter protestors during the 2020 riots. You're off by 40, olde dud.
    washingtonpost.com


  20. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 11:16 am
    That's pretty fresh because your wife wanted a police precinct burned to the ground.

    And honestly, I really don't give a fuk where they were. I'm saying that people felt the free will to murder police unabated. They were given that right by the left talking about defunding the police and that all police are racists and bigots. The left never talked about that though. As much as you want in your heart of hearts to be two separate issues, they are not. They are hand in hand.


    The implication is clear: The protesters bear the blame.
    If you are there at a riot, you are using that chaos for your own benefit. So honestly, if people want the precincts burned down, they have a culpability. It was explained most every night, even on Fox, that the "peaceful" protesters were gone about sunset. So people abused the protest to burn down peoples businesses and terrorize those living in the inner city. Samaniego may have not been "in" the protest, but he used the protest as his backdrop. I'm glad he got the time, although I think it should have been more.


    "Law Enforcement has become a target in 2020. Media has seized every opportunity to demonize the entire law enforcement community, using isolated events to cast the entire system as being violent, corrupt, and irredeemably racist. Politicians and activist groups with an agenda to completely reshape the structure of this country didn’t let this crisis go to waste. The “Defund the Police” movement is a radical response, pushed by radical players, but the impacts were very real. The result was that many American cities defunded police or seriously considered re-allocating funds away from local police departments."
    americanpoliceofficersalliance.com


  21. by Donna on July 28, 2022 11:59 am
    My criticism of your previous post stands. There were no police killings by people assiciated with BLM in the 2020 riots.


  22. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 2:02 pm
    So you're saying that NONE of the people in the riot were BLM Supporters. Got it.




    You're a fool.


  23. by Donna on July 28, 2022 2:25 pm
    No, that's not what I'm saying, and I don't know how anything I posted would lead you to that conclusion.


  24. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 3:47 pm
    I'm not saying that I believing or not believing anything you posted. That's paranoid.


  25. by Donna on July 28, 2022 4:02 pm
    "So you're saying that NONE of the people in the riot were BLM Supporters. Got it."

    No, you don't "Got it". I'm sure that there were rioters who were BLM supporters. There would have to be. So? Can you guarantee that every politician or group you support is comprised entirely of people who don't say stupid things or break the law? There are always going to be crazies. Come on, you know that.


  26. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 4:26 pm
    I do know that. The issue is that you only apply it to liberal causes. Otherwise a collective of all.


  27. by Donna on July 28, 2022 5:12 pm
    "The issue is that you only apply it to liberal causes."

    If you're alluding to Trump's crazies, the difference is that Trump supports them. When he told the unhinged rioters he incited on Jan 6, 2021 to go home, he consoled them and told them that he loved them.

    Outside of Trump, I don't remember ever accusing a Republican politician of supporting his craziest supporters.


  28. by oldedude on July 28, 2022 5:32 pm
    The idea being here that Trump supporters were not looking at putting libtards in prison camps like stalin and uncle Adolf. And these were burnie "supporters" that were people either paid by the campaign in state positions, or professional folks working for well known media sources that said this. Oddly, it's very diverse. Other than the state campaign folks that "may" have known each other, where did the lawyer for NPR get his thoughts? Which makes you wonder, Is this an actual part of the campaign?

    I'm going to say it again, Under the manifesto of the New Liberal World Order, it fits perfectly.


  29. by Donna on July 29, 2022 7:57 am
    You're being ridiculous.


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