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Do you think those parents would be raising a stink if a hetero teacher talked to the kids about their significant other?

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April 23, 2022 8:24 pm
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Of course that was a rhetorical question.

"It’s two-fold. It really hits hard in my heart professionally and personally both. Professionally it truly makes me feel like I am not trusted as a professional," [kindergarten teacher Cory] Bernaert said.

While Bernaert insisted that sexual identity is not in his curriculum, he argued that Florida should allow conversations regarding sexual identity to occur in school.

"We should be able to have discussions, and that’s what we’re encouraged to do in kindergarten. Personally because my kids do have questions. They want to know who my partner is in pictures outside the classroom, and I should be able to speak to them," Bernaert said.

Vossoughian asked whether Bernaert was concerned about whether he could discuss his home life. Bernaert admitted his concerns and said discussion about his home life is part of his role as an educator.

"That’s what we do as educators, we build relationships with our kids. And in order to build relationships, you talk about your home life, you talk about what you do on the weekends. That’s building community. It scares me that I am not going to be able to have these conversations with my children because they’re going to ask about what I did on the weekend. I don’t want to have to hide that my partner and I went paddle-boarding this weekend because then they will ask, 'What does partner mean, Mr. Bernaert?’ I’m worried, can I tell them what it means?" Bernaert asked.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 4:32 am

    From the article:

    Despite the negative media coverage of the bill, polls show a majority of Florida voters approve of the legislation. About 52 percent of Florida Democrats have replied that they do not approve of instruction about sexual orientation to be taught in kindergarten through third grade.

    I still don't get you, Donna, after all these years. You say that you want into a substantive dialog about these issues. So, wassup with incendiary thread title?

    You send mixed messages.


  2. by Donna on April 24, 2022 7:20 am
    I don't understand what you find so incendiary about the title. You just can't handle the truth, which is that if that gay kindergarten teacher were straight, no parents would have objected if he talked to the kids about his wife.

    I'm not talking about Republicans or Democrats. You're addicted to looking at every issue through a partisan lens. There are socially conservative Democrats, too, you know. Surveys show, for instance, that Black Americans are more socially conservative than Hispanic Americans, and Hispanic Americans are more socially conservative than White Americans.





  3. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 7:32 am

    ...if that gay kindergarten teacher were straight, no parents would have objected if he talked to the kids about his wife.

    Wrong!

    You're spouting LGBTQIA+++++ paranoia...

    ...which is irrelevant to the content of the bill.

    Interesting. When you and I have these dialogs, you nearly always accuse me of being partisan. I don't even understand how or why you go there.


  4. by Donna on April 24, 2022 7:41 am
    As you often quip, BULLFERNER!. You know damned well that none of those parents would have any problem with a straight teacher talking to their students about their spouse!


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 7:50 am

    Donna,

    C'mon, gimme a break! none of those parents...

    You must know a lot of people in Florida!

    Somehow, almost always, for you progressives it comes down to delusions of omniscience.

    I have said here before. And, I think you're pretending it away, that the real target of this bill is pedophiles who'd love to be talking about sexual issues to little boys and girls. You know as well as I, most of those people are straight.


  6. by Donna on April 24, 2022 8:09 am
    I'm not a pedophile, so I have no idea what kinds of things pedophile teachers would talk to their students about.

    The language of the bill specifically forbids classroom discussion or instruction about gender preference or gender identity. So if the purpose of the bill were really about stopping pedophiles, by your own admission, specific restrictions regarding classroom discussion or instruction about gender preference and gender identity shouldn't be in the bill.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2022 8:34 am

    The language of the bill specifically forbids classroom discussion or instruction about gender preference or gender identity.

    Right, but is that all it forbids? My understanding is that it's more comprehensive than you're suggesting.

    Donna,

    When I've heard people on the right speak in support of the law, it's never, ever been focused specifically on gender preference or identity. Ever!

    It's been about Representatives of Big Brother discussing sexual issues with young children.

    One thing our exchanges about the pandemic has made plain to me is that probably the greatest difference between you and me is that I distrust Big Brother and that you are a huuuuuuuuuge fan.

    Again, I think that you are consuming LGBTQ propaganda and participating in creating a strawman out of people who disagree with you.


  8. by Donna on April 24, 2022 9:11 am
    Of course the bill in general is about ensuring that parents have more control over what their kids are exposed to in public schools.

    But in the bill we have this:

    "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards".

    Btw, part of the confusion is that the introduction to the bill says "classroom discussion, not 'instruction'". Was that an oversight, or was it intentionally put there to muddy the waters?

    If the issue were really about pedophilia, then why does that portion of the bill single out sexual orientation or gender identity as topics that should be scrutinized? Why not scrutinize discussions or instruction pertaining to sex? It should be easy for you to understand why LGBTQ teachers feel like they're being singled out.

    If I were a 3rd grade teacher, I'd be concerned that if a student asked me about a wedding photo of Sheri and I on my desk, I'd be hesitant to tell my student that we we're married, or to get into a discussion that might arise from my student asking me why two women would want to be married. I don't think a hetero teacher would need to be concerned about any of those things.


  9. by islander on April 24, 2022 9:19 am

    To answer your question even though it was rhetorical; no I don’t think those parents would be raising a stink if a hetero teacher talked to the kids about their significant other.

    Since same sex marriage has been legalized it’s abundantly clear that the arguments used to condemn it, such as the institution of hetero-marriage would be destroyed etc. were not true.

    Unless they were taught at home to see it as “wrong”, I doubt children would feel anything other than the normal curiosity when they learn that there are different kinds of family arrangements than their own.

    To me, the follow up question would be, what should we do, for example, when some people raise a stink, based on say, their religious beliefs about a teacher in a same sex marriage mentioning their partner?




  10. by Donna on April 24, 2022 10:18 am
    islander - Your last paragraph is a reason they're pushing for school voucher programs. They want to be able to use taxpayer dollars to help pay for their tuition to Christian schools.


  11. by Donna on April 24, 2022 10:34 am
    CHAPTER 2022-22
    Committee Substitute for
    Committee Substitute for House Bill No. 1557
    laws.flrules.org


  12. by islander on April 24, 2022 2:47 pm

    Thanks for the link Donna!

    I highly doubt any reasonable person would call a teacher mentioning or talking about their same sex partner to their students just as any hetero-couple might...instructing the students` in the classroom on sexual orientation or gender identity. In fact, I'm not at all sure what kind of instructions one could give regarding sexual orientation of gender. Maybe it means teaching them 'about it', that is, "what sexual orientation is" or "what gender means" ?


  13. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 10:52 am

    The link didn't work for me.


  14. by Donna on April 25, 2022 10:58 am
    I just tried it and it worked fine.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2022 11:07 am

    Probably my phone.

    Read for yourself: language of ‘don’t say gay’ bill, what supporters like, what opponents fear


    miamiherald.com


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