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Will the West eventually have to use military force to remove Russia from Ukraine?

By islander
April 5, 2022 7:09 am
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We read that Russia invaded Ukraine because it doesn't want a democracy or a NATO member on its border. But I'm more inclined to believe this is the big reason Russia wants control of the Eastern and Southern regions of Ukraine, and Putin is not going to give up those areas easily.

"From Price Wars by Rupert Russell"

"In 2012, enormous gas reserves---2.3 trillion cubic meters---were discovered under Ukraineís share of the Black Sea. Russia tried to negotiate access to the deposits, but the talks fell through. Then, in January 2013, Ukraine struck a deal with Royal Dutch Shell to start drilling in Eastern Ukraine, where another major deposit of natural gas had been discovered. In April 2013, the Ukraine energy and coal minister declared that the projects in Eastern Ukraine and the Black Sea around Crimea would soon start producing so much natural gas that the country would no longer need to import it from Russia or anywhere else. In fact, Ukraine would become a net exporter to Europe---competing with Russia---by 2020.
If these plans came to fruition, Putinís leverage over Europe would evaporate. He had no intention of overseeing the same unraveling of energy dominance that the USSR had suffered in the 1980ís. But Putin still had time. Ukraineís plans for energy independence had yet to become a reality."



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  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 5, 2022 8:49 am
    I agree with you...stop the presses...that this will go on for a long time.

    But, I think that there are a multitude of reasons.


  2. by Donna on April 5, 2022 11:14 am
    I think that's it, islander.

    And to answer your topic question, yes, that's what it will take, but I don't see the US or NATO doing that. Putin seems to be trying awfully hard to provoke the US and/or NATO into sending soldiers in to fight the Russian military face to face, but they're understandably fearful about that kind of action spawning a much larger war. If that were to happen, Belarus, Hungary, Serbia, and perhaps even China would join Russia; China certainly would continue to send Russia aid. There's no question that it would devolve into WW3.



  3. by HatetheSwamp on April 5, 2022 11:32 am

    Very possibly, Donna.

    Even with our wet noodle in the White House, I think NATO and we will, ultimately, support Ukraine enough to keep, at the very least, maintaining a viable resistance...and Ukraine's government is still intact.

    I see this going on for a looooooooong time. I'm seeing something similar to a repeat of the Russia Afghanistan scenario and that Ukraine will turn out to be too big a pain in the a$$ for Russia.

    But, probably not as long as Putin is around. He's about 70 and looks, to me, like he's on steroids. He won't last forever.


  4. by islander on April 5, 2022 2:20 pm

    I hope youíre right, Donna !

    I have children and grandchildren and this horrific situation that we and the rest of the world are in at this moment has me worried for them like Iíve never been before. I do not want them to have to experience the horrors of a world war that I believe would be far worse than anything we've ever experienced or can imagine.

    I think our country and the rest of the NATO has been playing their hand correctly up to this point and I certainly give Biden an awful lot credit for the job he is doing. I certainly would not want to be in his place right now having to make the decisions he has been making and the decisions he is going to have to make.

    Biden was second on my ballot (we have ranked choice voting) but I have to say, as much as I love Bernie, after seeing how Biden has responded to all that has been thrown at him in this his first year, I am starting to feel relieved Biden was the one who ultimately won. With his many years of first hand experience in government and his real life intimate knowledge of foreign affairs, Joe has exceeded my expectations and I now believe he is the guy we needed at this time. I cannot even imagine someone like Trump and his band of cohorts in office at a time like this. It gives me nightmares just to think about it.



  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 5, 2022 2:38 pm

    Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh, isle!
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  6. by HatetheSwamp on April 5, 2022 2:47 pm

    With his many years of first hand experience in government and his real life intimate knowledge of foreign affairs, Joe has exceeded my expectations and I now believe he is the guy we needed at this time. ~isle


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