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Putin-style propaganda now defines Trump’s GOP

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March 17, 2022 7:07 am
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This sounds just like you, Hate! Your tactics exactly,

What makes Putin’s brand of propaganda unique is that it’s not designed to win over converts; it’s not built to ‘prove’ a point. The goal is to create confusion and raise doubts, often through a stream of contradictions and lies. Using the Kremlin’s firehouse approach, so much confusion is created so often via a multitude of media platforms, it becomes impossible to navigate the deliberate fog. Putin has buried Russia in that misinformation morass for more than two decades.

This isn’t traditional Beltway spin, where partisan players tease out and extend the facts in order to make a preferred point. It’s a sophisticated, KGB-influenced brand of postmodern propaganda that deftly mixes facts with fiction, with constantly shifting storylines, to the point where it’s not possible for most Russian news consumers to discern the truth. They stop even trying. Collective passivity is the goal.

At the heart of this mind-set is the idea that there is no such thing as objective truth or even facts,* because everything is spun or disguised to reflect advantageously on one group or another,” Vanity Fair noted in a seminal piece from 2017 about Trump’s early embrace of Putin’s propaganda playbook. “This dark internal logic allows for the Kremlin propaganda machine's single greatest achievement: to rub out all distinctions between truth and lies, so that facts, conspiracies, reality, and fabrications are all pulled down into the same indistinguishable muck.”

The result? The dense fog of unknowability. “Once you've successfully swamped truth, you're no longer accountable for your actions,” wrote Vanity Fair’s Mike Mariani.

* Hate's mantra..."Subjectivity is truth"


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Comments on "Putin-style propaganda now defines Trump’s GOP":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 7:37 am

    A few comments:

    I don't think what Putin's doing is new.

    What Putin's doing, rhetorically, is what Trump praised as being ingenious. And, considering that Putin's, um, "greatest" opponent is a "dementia-ridden piece of crap," it's appropriate and powerful. Ain't it obvious that Putin has the Roaring Bear from Delaware's brain spinning.

    The thing about our world, in which subjectivity is truth is, that, for each individual subject, one's truth is really the truth. Make no mistake, Putin believes what he says. As do you believe your own subjectivity. Therein lies Putin's danger to us.


    BTW, Kierkegaard was a $2,000 question on Jeopardy a few days ago.


  2. by islander on March 17, 2022 7:46 am

    This is the part you try to ignore, your mantra "subjectivity is truth" is self refuting. Truth becomes meaningless.

    “At the heart of this mind-set is the idea that there is no such thing as objective truth or even facts,"


  3. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 8:06 am

    Clearly, isle, you don't understand. I'm convinced that you're being honest, you're not joking around.

    The petrifying reality is that Putin lives within his subjectivity with passion and ferocity.

    To Putin, Ukraine is a part of Russia and he's justified in rescuing it from the Nazis who've stolen it from its people. Donbas really is independent and his troops really are peacekeepers.

    Is that deranged? I think so. Maybe you do, too.

    Still, it's Vladimir Putin's truth. He may be willing to fight to the death for it.

    You need to UNDERSTAND that.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 8:27 am

    Y'know, isle, with this objective truth shtick you're so obsessed with?

    It's probably been decades since you went to church and said, "Bless me, father, for I have sinned."

    But, you are one big-time effin Roman Catholic!!!!

    Ouch.

    Bahahahahahahahahahaha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!


  5. by islander on March 17, 2022 8:38 am

    ”The thing about our world, in which subjectivity is truth is, that, for each individual subject, one's truth is really the truth”,/b>

    There is no such thing as Putin’s truth, your truth, or my truth. There are things we might believe are true but are in fact false.

    Truth is that which conforms to reality. It doesn’t depend on what someone believes...that’s why Truth is objective. For you to say that truth is subjective and there is no objective truth is self refuting because in order for for the assertion that there is no objective truth to be true...it would have to be false.

    Now do you understand?




  6. by islander on March 17, 2022 8:53 am

    Getting back to the article, you said, I don't think what Putin's doing is new."

    It sure isn't new to those of us on SS, we're used to it. Like I said, it's what you do here, and it's what Donald Trump and Putin do.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 8:55 am

    Splain to the families of the Ukrainians huddled in that theater in Mariulpol that Putin doesn't have his own truth...

    ...because the objective truth...

    ...is that an atrocity has taken place. And, Putin KNOWS it's a good thing.

    You are playing a silly semantic game.

    If you really understood, you'd be focused on the objective reality.
    wsj.com


  8. by islander on March 17, 2022 11:41 am


    “At the heart of this mind-set is the idea that there is no such thing as objective truth or even facts” because everything is spun or disguised to reflect advantageously on one group or another, this dark internal logic allows for Hate’s, Putin’s and Trump’s propaganda its single greatest achievement:

    to rub out all distinctions between truth and lies, so that facts, conspiracies, reality, and fabrications are all pulled down into the same indistinguishable muck.

    "Subjectivity is truth"...Hate


  9. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 12:05 pm

    “At the heart of this mind-set is the idea that there is no such thing as objective truth or even facts

    Who are you quoting, anyway?


  10. by Curt_Anderson on March 17, 2022 12:23 pm
    The article that Islander links to is quoting a piece in Vanity Fair, which is cited.
    vanityfair.com


  11. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 12:41 pm

    isle,

    I do this with great hesitation. I can't help but think that I'll regret this in the same way people who cast pearls before swine wish, later on, that they hadn't tried.

    Still, you're a bright guy and you care about understanding.

    What's below is what I've said many times. What it does that I've never done is to fold in Socrates.

    Kierkegaard is echoing the Socratic notion found in the "Crito" of, i.e., "know yourself."

    For Kierkegaard, the point of the claim truth is subjectivity is that anything that is true is true for a subject.

    In other words and in particular, if the Christian story is true, then it changes everything for the subject in a way that cannot be overlooked or erased.

    Contrary to that answer, I wouldn't go so far as to say "Kierkegaard does not believe in 'objective truths.'"

    Instead, I would say Kierkegaard thinks it matters only secondarily whether something is objectively true, because what matters is that the subject accepts that it is true by living accordingly.


    So, it's not important that what Putin believes about Ukraine being Russian is irrational and deranged, though you and I agree objectively that it is.

    If you're huddled in a bunker in Ukraine, it only matters the the subject (Putin) "believes it is true and lives accordingly."



  12. by Curt_Anderson on March 17, 2022 12:58 pm
    "For Kierkegaard, the point of the claim truth is subjectivity is that anything that is true is true for a subject." _HtS

    I thought Kierkegaard's claim was the other way around, "subjectivity is truth". I am not so sure he made the reverse claim.

    Regardless, your Kierkegaard inspired mantra is a version of the new age claptrap which advises adherents "to live in your truth".

    Incidentally, there is good piece in WaPo by Greg Sargent, "Opinion: Hannity’s clownish contortions on Ukraine reveal the rot at Trumpism’s core"


    Donald Trump’s most slavish propagandists have a problem. Trump withheld military aid from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an extortion scheme of unfathomable corruption and depravity. But amid Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky has emerged as a heroic symbol of resistance to tyranny across the Western world. Now what?

    Sean Hannity’s plight is particularly instructive, given the Fox News host’s role as a leading defender of Trump during the 2019 Ukraine scandal. It’s worth a look not just because of its comedic value, but also because it exposes deep deficiencies in Trumpism, a genuine worldview that still holds sway on the right.

    Zelensky’s extraordinary appeal to Congress for more military assistance has sharpened the dilemma for pro-Trump spinners, and on Wednesday night, Hannity called on President Biden to increase military aid. But Hannity’s specific language was intriguing.

    “President Zelensky is begging Joe Biden for help,” Hannity said. He bashed Biden for failing to deliver that help and castigated him as “weak” and “frail.”

    Zelensky is begging Biden for help, you say?

    Recall that on that “perfect phone call” with Zelensky in 2019, this is very close to what Zelensky did with Trump. Zelensky cited Ukraine’s need for more “support in the area of defense,” whereupon Trump pressed Zelensky to help smear Biden in advance of the 2020 election.


    Read the entire piece below.
    washingtonpost.com


  13. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 1:06 pm

    Ah, yes.

    At the heart of this mind-set is the idea that there is no such thing as objective truth or even facts, because everything is spun or disguised to reflect advantageously on one group or another.

    If I hadn't been reading the article I'd have thought this was a description of our very own Clinton administration.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 1:21 pm

    I thought Kierkegaard's claim was the other way around, "subjectivity is truth". I am not so sure he made the reverse claim.


    Very observant.

    For some reason, students of Kierkegaard nearly always refer to this concept as I normally do, subjectivity is truth.

    The notion is crucial to understanding Kierkegaard's idea of the leap of faith.

    As far as I know, in his truly extensive writings, Kierkegaard beats this horse to death but he only ever actually wrote "truth is subjectivity," and only one time.

    For all I know, this may have to do with translating from Danish, which few people read. I most certainly don't.

    Either way, the meaning is the same.


  15. by islander on March 17, 2022 1:49 pm

    For Kierkegaard, the point of the claim truth is subjectivity is that anything that is true is true for a subject.

    That has nothing to do with objective truth. It only means that the subject can believe something is true and to the subject it will seem true. It does not mean that what the subject believes is in fact "true". You’ve always misconstrued that in your arguments when you say subjectivity is truth.



    ”I would say Kierkegaard thinks it matters only secondarily whether something is objectively true, because what matters is that the subject accepts that it is true by living accordingly.”

    That can’t be applied if the subject’s truth (belief) is dangerous to himself or others and that’s when objective truth is vital. This is easily recognizable with religious beliefs. Benign religious beliefs are harmless and for some people might even be the only thing that gets them through the night.

    The belief That a heretic should be burned alive to prevent him from spreading false truths that would endanger other’s souls is just one such "subjective truth" that should NOT be accepted as true and lived accordingly. This is why the search for real truth (objective truth) is so important.



  16. by islander on March 17, 2022 1:52 pm

    Curt, the quote was also in my link at the start of this thread. Both articles are very good and well worth reading! Thanks for posting the Vanity Fair link


  17. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 2:03 pm

    The belief That a heretic should be burned alive to prevent him from spreading false truths that would endanger other’s souls is just one such "subjective truth">/u> that should NOT be accepted as true and lived accordingly.

    What in the name of gee willikers is "subject truth?"

    There's no such thing as a subjective truth. Truth is truth.

    The issue here is how an individual encounters truth.

    We encounter truth, reality, as living persons...as subjects.


  18. by islander on March 17, 2022 2:14 pm

    "We encounter truth, reality, as living persons...as subjects"

    No kidding.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on March 17, 2022 2:28 pm

    Except you, isle.

    You're claiming to us that you are a computer, an object, thus able to to know what is objectively.


  20. by islander on March 17, 2022 2:49 pm

    Hate writes: "You're claiming to us that you are a computer, an object, thus able to to know what is objectively."

    I have to say, it's truly quite interesting to follow you along here and witness how you respond when you encounter reality! It truly must be so very baffling to you.


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