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What happened to The Grand Old Party?

By islander
February 9, 2022 4:36 am
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"Today, more than 140 former Republican officials and leaders issued a statement saying that the RNC has “betrayed the GOP’s founding principles and ceded control of a once-great movement to grifters and extremists.” They condemned the description of “the January 6th insurrection” as legitimate political discourse,” calling that description “an affront to the rule of law, peaceful self-government, and the constitutional order.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) tried to distance himself from the party’s stance, saying the events of January 6 were “a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election, from one administration to the next. That’s what it was.” *

* H.C.R.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 5:57 am

    In this case, isle, I didn't even read Heather. I woke up with gas already. Maybe later.

    My comment is based on you.

    When I was a kid, the Dems were the party that was alive. Eugene McCarthy, essentially, toppled an incumbent who'd won in a landslide. George McGovern came from nowhere to upset Edwin Muskie, the Party's anointed in 1972. Jimmy Carter came from nowhere to win the nomination and the Presidency in 76.

    Now, the DNC mafia runs the party like the Dons run the Mafia...

    ...and, the GOPs are what the Dems used to be: the party of energy and new ideas.

    When I was a kid, I promised myself that I would not become a fuddy duddy. It appears that I'll fight that until I die.

    Today's Dems are for fuddy daddies. That's the answer to the question: What Happened to the Dems? So, you go right ahead. Sit on the swing on your front porch. Wave your fist in the air. Scream, GET OFF MY LAWN!" Push your walker to the polls and vote straight Dem...just like good old Commies do in China.

    I'm chagrined over the tension and struggle among GOPs but this is where there is life. Thought. Vivacity. Innovation.

    You? Snooze your way into 022 and 024. Me? I'll hang with the living.


  2. by islander on February 9, 2022 6:41 am

    You have to admit, Hate, this is priceless! It's soo true !!
    "Meanwhile, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) strode speedily away from ABC News congressional correspondent Rachel Scott when she asked about the resolution describing the rioting on January 6 as “legitimate political discourse,” telling her it was “not good” to answer questions in hallways.

    (Comedian Noel Casler tweeted that McCarthy “ran down that hall like he was being chased by a bunch of white dudes looking for some ‘legitimate political discourse.’)

    Noel really hit the nail on the head!


  3. by islander on February 9, 2022 6:41 am

    You have to admit, Hate, this is priceless! It's soo true !!
    "Meanwhile, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) strode speedily away from ABC News congressional correspondent Rachel Scott when she asked about the resolution describing the rioting on January 6 as “legitimate political discourse,” telling her it was “not good” to answer questions in hallways.

    (Comedian Noel Casler tweeted that McCarthy “ran down that hall like he was being chased by a bunch of white dudes looking for some ‘legitimate political discourse.’)

    Noel really hit the nail on the head!


  4. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 6:57 am

    Please continue to walk in lockstep with a party leadership who foisted, as President, the guy who blasted out the eardrums of the Prince of Wales with a sonic boom fart.

    A few days ago, I linked to the GOP resolution. It doesn't identify the rioting as legitimate political discourse. But, of course, the SwampMedia will report what it will report...truth ain't the issue.

    Incidentally, I stand with the GOPs who regret the censure of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. But, I'm happy to be in the party where stuff matters.

    You stand behind the Flatulent Fool, if you like...but, a word of advice:...

    ...don't stand too close.



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  5. by islander on February 9, 2022 8:02 am

    ‘the GOP resolution didn't identify the rioting as legitimate political discourse’

    Of course it did. It was “afterwards” in an effort to change their assertion that they tried saying they didn't mean it. They tried to say they weren't talking about the rioters, they were talking about the peaceful demonstrators.

    They tried to say the House investigation was about the “persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse.” LOL !!

    

Well guess what! The GOP knew all along that the house investigation, or as they called it, "the persecuting the peaceful demonstrators" was false. The House is investigating the rioters, not the peaceful demonstrators!


  6. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 8:33 am

    I don't know what people are saying about it. I read the resolution itself. It doesn't support the rioting.


  7. by islander on February 9, 2022 8:50 am

    You only read one of the early draft of the resolution.

    "The three words about the US Capitol attack that have sparked a firestorm inside the Republican Party -- "legitimate political discourse" -- were not included in early drafts of the resolution to censure Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, a person involved in the process tells CNN, but were added as the document was edited late last week at a meeting of the Republican National Committee in Salt Lake City."---


  8. by Curt_Anderson on February 9, 2022 8:55 am
    Of course the RNC was talking about the violent and vandalizing rioters when they said "legitimate political discourse".

    Adam Kinzinger said that the RNC's attempt to backtrack and claim they were referring to peaceful protesters was insane. To believe the RNC, you would have to believe that the January 6th committee is going after peaceful protesters who were legitimately exercising their First Amendment rights.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 9:54 am

    Noop. To believe the GOPaphobes, you have to believe that the Committee is only investigating the rioters and the riots.

    Not so.

    Heck! The Committee has expanded it power grab to include Fox News people who were nowhere near DC and have nuthin to do with the riot...and spoke against the riot at the time.

    As Congress often does, it's overdoing.

    The RNC is perfectly justified in objecting.


    washingtonpost.com


  10. by Curt_Anderson on February 9, 2022 10:03 am
    So you think the Republicans are justified in objecting do the January 6th committee.

    Do you believe that any crime was committed on January 6th inside the United States Capitol?

    The stated goal of the committee is to uncover why it happened and how to prevent similar assaults on our democracy in the future.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 10:18 am

    I believe that it'd be idiotic to give the Committee carte blanche....

    ...and, since the GOPs don't have anyone of their choosing on the Committee, it's crucial to watch for abuse and overreach...


  12. by Curt_Anderson on February 9, 2022 10:31 am
    What sort of "abuse and overreach" are you worried about?

    All that the committee can do is to ask people questions and sort through evidence. The committee cannot charge people with crimes. They cannot fine or imprison people.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on February 9, 2022 10:49 am

    Anything very specifically connected to their task.

    The reality is that the membership of the Committee is the result of an abusive process. It's only reasonable to assume that it will abuse its authority...which it has, and is.


  14. by islander on February 9, 2022 2:16 pm
    What the Trump Republicans have been trying to do and have been continuing to do since Jan.6, is to block the investigation in any way they think they can, and try to whitewash Jan 6 as if it was nothing to be concerned about.

    

The outright assertion by Republicans that the Jan.6 committee is persecuting citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse is of course false. In this ridiculous attempt they went way too far. The still loyal Trump politicians are doing everything in their power to back-peddle and claim that’s not what they said or at least they didn’t mean what they said. They meant to say something else.



    The Jan.6 committee is charged with investigating the attack on our Capital and all the events leading up to the attack. Any evidence of criminal activities or wrongdoing they find has been and will be turned over to the Justice Department whose role it is “To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law ; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial” ...

    As with any type of investigation like this, wittinesses or people who might have pertinent information or knowledge that might be helpful to the investigation will be questioned. That’s not persecuting people for engaging in legitimate political discourse.

    Those who were involved in the planning and/or execution of this attack will be indicted and tried in a court of law...And those people will not be “innocent citizens who were only engaged in legitimate political discourse” as the Trump loyalists would have you believe.




  15. by Curt_Anderson on February 9, 2022 2:53 pm
    It's funny how Trumpers are now concerned about the January Sixth Committee and what they might uncover.

    I remember when Tucker Carlson, Sen. Ron Johnson, Rep. Matt Gaetz and other Republicans were claiming that the rioters were actually Antifa, the FBI, left-wing "provocateurs" and other "fake" Trump supporters who sparked the violence at the Capitol. If they really believed that, you'd think they want that investigated and have their side exonerated. Gosh, I wonder what changed their minds.


  16. by islander on February 9, 2022 3:05 pm

    "Gosh, I wonder what changed their minds."

    LoL !! I can't imagine what it could be!


  17. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2022 6:26 am

    The outright assertion by Republicans that the Jan.6 committee is persecuting citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse is of course false.

    I agree that the choice of the word "persecuting" is a bit much.

    But, the Commission has begun to go too far.

    So far, all that it has exposed about Trump is what was being discussed openly on the Rush Limbaugh Program long before Christmas 020.

    Nancy's gang appears to be desperate...grasping at straws. While the RNC may have gone a bit too far, the Commission needs to be checked.


  18. by islander on February 10, 2022 7:30 am
    Things are not looking good these days for Trump and his enablers as it all begins to unravel !!

    "This evening, the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol issued a subpoena for documents and testimony to former White House trade advisor Peter Navarro, who has made a number of public statements about his role in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election. In its letter to Navarro, the committee noted his statements that former president Trump was “on board with the strategy” of trying to steal the election, as were “more than 100” members of Congress, including Representative Paul Gosar (R-AZ) and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX).

    This subpoena suggests that the committee is getting closer to lawmakers, and some of them are certainly acting as if they are uncomfortable these days.

    Navarro responded to the subpoena with a fire-eating statement calling the members of the January 6 committee “domestic terrorists” engaged in a “partisan witch hunt,” and inaccurately claimed that former president Trump has invoked executive privilege that he cannot waive. (In fact, Trump invoked executive privilege only over documents in the possession of the National Archives and Records Administration, and the Supreme Court denied his claims.) He tried to blame House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and the Capitol Police for the violence on January 6.

    He added fuel to the ongoing fight within the Republican Party when he added: “Pence betrayed Trump. Marc Short is a Koch Network dog. Meadows is a fool and a coward. Cheney and Kinzinger are useful idiots for Nancy Pelosi and the woke Left.”
    heathercoxrichardson.substack.com


  19. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2022 8:03 am

    When you get to something that Rush didn't put on his program, let us know.

    Of course they were trying to overturn the election. They were...ARE...convinced that Former 18 Wheeler Driver win through widespread fraud!


  20. by Donna on February 10, 2022 9:00 am
    I don't think they're convinced of that at all. It was a naked attempt at a power grab. One-party state. God I hope Garland doesn't wimp out as some lawmakers are fearing. That would be a tragic blow to our democracy.


  21. by islander on February 10, 2022 9:13 am

    You and a number of other Trump enablers are unjustifiably convinced the election results are fraudulent (or at least you and they say they do) despite the totally overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So in your mind, illegally overturning or attempting to overturn an election is justified too?

    I have no idea why you think Rush Limbaugh is relevant to the Jan.6 committee. He was dead before the committee was even formed. Do you think he somehow knew everything they are discovering now?


  22. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2022 9:28 am

    Rush is relevant because all of this evidence your finding to prove that Trump tried to overturn the election was what he was talking about in the hearing of 15 million people day after day for weeks before January 6. There's nothing illegal about it. There's nuthin new about it.

    I'm sure you saw my thread detailing the videos provided by a whistle-blower in which election officials acknowledge that there was no chain of evidence for provisional votes in heavily Dem Delaware County, Pennsylvania. There can be no dispute about this.

    I asked Curt how many fraudulent votes the Former 18 Wheeler Driver gained from only that one County. None? 100? 100,000? I'll ask you.

    There were shenanigans in the 020 Presidential Election. That's fact. Proven! Period.


  23. by Donna on February 10, 2022 9:36 am
    Well in this country, if you think you have evidence of a crime, you lawyer up and take it to court.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2022 10:24 am

    No, Donna. If you think you're the victim of a crime, you report it to the authorities.

    Right now, the authorities are consumed with nailing Trump with the January 6 Commission. From what I can tell, GOPs are keeping their powder dry, patiently waiting until the next election determines who will run the House in 023.

    If GOPs are the authorities then, the sort of evidence suggested by the Delaware County whistle-blower will be given a careful examination.


  25. by Donna on February 10, 2022 10:36 am
    You still need to press charges and take it to court, which the Trump team has tried and has been unsuccessful at, in some cases even when the judge was a Trump appointee. If you can't do that, then tough shit. It doesn't justify overturning the election non-judicially, which is the definition of a coup. People who respect the rule of law understand that.


  26. by HatetheSwamp on February 10, 2022 11:01 am

    In the chaos of the weeks immediately following the election, it was difficult to make the case for election and, more than ruling against Trump, courts generally refused to hear those cases.

    There is, now, a fair bit of evidence similar to the whistle-blower evidence from Pennsylvania that has recently emerged.

    What we now know about Delaware County, Pennsylvania is that there was the sort of convenient "sloppiness" that would allow cheating to take place.

    For a long time, I've been saying that the Dems were ingenious in using changes in 020 election laws to commit fraud.

    If the GOPs choose to investigate election irregularities, they'll find a mountain of evidence of the "sloppiness" that could enable widespread cheating.

    But, overturning the 020 swipe will never happen.




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