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Two Trump-appointed judges reject comparisons between January 6 and Portland unrest

By Curt_Anderson
December 30, 2021 10:39 am
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Whataboutism defense fails to sway the judges.

(CNN)Two Trump-appointed federal judges have rejected claims from January 6 defendants that they're being treated unfairly, because of their conservative politics, compared with left-leaning rioters in Portland, Oregon, in the summer of 2020.

"Although both Portland and January 6 rioters attacked federal buildings, the Portland defendants primarily attacked at night, meaning that they raged against a largely vacant courthouse," [Judge] McFadden wrote. "In contrast, the January 6 rioters attacked the Capitol in broad daylight. And many entered it. ... Their actions endangered hundreds of federal officials in the Capitol complex. Members of Congress cowered under chairs while staffers blockaded themselves in offices, fearing physical attacks from the rioters."

"The Portland rioters' conduct, while obviously serious, did not target a proceeding prescribed by the Constitution and established to ensure a peaceful transition of power," [Judge] Nichols wrote. "Nor did the Portland rioters, unlike those who assailed America's Capitol in 2021, make it past the buildings' outer defenses."


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2021 2:52 pm

    Hate to say it, but these judges are Swampish and moronic.

    Virtually nothing was damaged in the mostly peaceful gathering and the only fatality was an unarmed woman. No member of Congress or their staff got even a hang nail.

    And, certainly, barricaded behind doors? Cowering under desks? How is it the fault of the January 6 protectors that the denizens of the Capitol are wimpy enough to make the Cowardly Lion seem like John Wayne?

    Right. The lives and businesses DESTROYED in Portland mean nuthin compared to little drama in the lives of the prissy, entitled workers on the Hill.

    This is offensively Swamp-ish.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on December 30, 2021 3:06 pm
    HtS,
    What Dr. Jonathan Reiner said about Senator Ron Johnson could apply to you with very little editing:

    "I say that he's so misguided that it makes me wonder whether this is all just an act. And if it is an act, what does that say about what he thinks his constituents fellow traitors want to hear? If this is not an act, then he is just the most ignorant man in the United States Senate. And that says a lot."
    yahoo.com


  3. by Donna on December 30, 2021 7:07 pm
    Oh. My. God! Bill, over 140 Capitol police were injured, many seriously, in that riot! Did you not see the video footage? Did you not see that cop being beaten with a flagpole? Five cops died not long after the riot - a couple by suicide, another from a cardio pulmonary event, likely caused by the stress of having gone through that.

    It's almost gotten to the point where I don't want to participate in this forum anymore. Sheri already left, mostly because of you. I'm getting there real fast. It's impossible to have a rational conversation with you anymore.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 3:28 am

    Donna,

    You're hyperbolizing.

    Yeah. It was a riot. There were some skirmishes. But, don't do that. "Five cops died after the riot," thing. We reviewed the lies CNN and MSNBC told about Brian Sicknick dying at the hands of protectors.

    The scary things about January 6 is that your side has suspended reality and created myths about it.

    But please understand. I'm not defending the Capitol protest. I condemned it on SS as it was happening. I still condemn it.

    What I'm saying is that you are minimizing the the violence and destruction of the BLM and Antifa riots in so many cities in the summer of 020. The violence and destruction of the Capitol riot was child's play by comparison.


  5. by Donna on December 31, 2021 7:21 am
    I'm done.

    Curt, either Hts goes or I'm outa here.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2021 8:57 am
    Donna,
    If you leave I'll miss your comments especially because your opinions are well written, thought out and fact-based. Thank you for bringing reality to SelectSmart.com for these many years.

    I won't be banning HtS or anybody else for being wrong. As I said yesterday what Dr. Reiner said about Senator Ron Johnson applies to HtS. That is is he putting on an act or is he genuinely ignorant? Whatever it is is he represents a large portion of the American population who agree with him and think like he does.

    I don't hear that Trumper perspective in real life so I like to keep on top of the latest in misinformation which HtS is quick to supply.






  7. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 9:44 am

    Donna,

    pb posts in a way that is honest to his own opinions but is careful to be a mainstream voice for the nearly one half of likely voters...many millions...who believe that the smoke filled room handlers of the former 18 wheeler driver swiped the election.

    If you can't abide pb, you're saying something about yourself in the context of the vibrant, diverse community that is America's electorate.

    I know that these beliefs make Curt's skin crawl as much as they make yours yet he provides a forum for them.

    Joe Biden is my President, though I'm convinced that his side cheated.

    If you want to absent yourself here and do the Amish thing, cutting yourself from the world, I'll be as sad as anyone.

    I represent the truth embraced by millions. If you can't handle that truth, I'm sad for you...

    ...and, I'll genuinely miss you.


  8. by Donna on December 31, 2021 10:46 am
    Likewise Curt. I will miss conversing with you, too, as well as islander.

    Bill, as I've said many times, I think you're a nice person. I just don't enjoy conversing with you about politics. It's not so much your views as it is the way you go about expressing them.

    Actually I don't spend much time conversing with people about politics on Facebook either. Sheri has almost completely stopped discussing politics on social media too.

    I don't understand your reference about Amish people as it relates to me, Bill. Actually the fact that you made that reference is an example of why I don't enjoy discussing politics with you.

    No offense to you, Curt; I know you're doing your best, and I appreciate your efforts. But I'd rather spend my conversation time on a platform that hosts literally millions of people worldwide. If I get tired of conversing with someone on Facebook, I have options that SelectSmart doesn't provide. There, I can not only reach more people, but I can learn from and share ideas with more people. And if my usual circle of Facebook friends, many of whom I've met in person or have known in real life for many years, including family, aren't interested in a topic I want to discuss, I can always find others who do share an interest in that topic.

    So I think it's time for me to move on.

    Thanks for everything, guys. You know where to reach me if you feel so inclined. And

    Take care, peace, and I wish you all nothing but the best in the coming year and beyond.







  9. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2021 11:48 am
    Thank you Donna.

    Incidentally, your and Sheri's move was well timed. The ships waiting en masse, unable to enter ports of Long Beach and LA to offload their containers, are idling and emitting pollutants into your old home area.

    And a happy new year and beyond to you and all.
    nbcnews.com


  10. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 11:58 am

    As I said, Donna, I'll miss your participation. I love SS because it has always been a small, diverse community of the passionate and quirky.

    The Amish thing? My sense is that you you're uncomfortable when you're confronted by people who are intentionally and devotedly not your kind.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2021 12:48 pm
    My late parents lived in rural Sheboygan county in Wisconsin. They were friends with their Amish neighbors. The Amish did odd jobs and made furniture for my parents (including a quilt rack which is next to me now). They would sometimes ask my dad to drive them to the "big city" of Sheboygan which was about 25 miles away.

    My parents were "the English" and the Amish dressed in the fashion of the 19th century but the relations were very congenial. An Amish family bought my parents' place after dad died, which is a 20 acre plot of land.

    They may be Luddites, but the Amish my parents knew were certainly friendly. Once when we were visiting my parents, one of my dad's Amish friends stopped by and invited my wife and son and me for a horse-drawn buggy ride.



  12. by Donna on December 31, 2021 12:49 pm
    Not at all. I get along with all of my family, and many are conservative Republicans. Sheri's brother voted for Trump and we get along very well.

    I think your problem is that you try to be annoying and you say things to intentionally provoke others.




  13. by HatetheSwamp on December 31, 2021 1:01 pm

    As I've noted over the years, I live in the midst of the oldest Amish settlement in the western hemisphere.

    Luddites? Well, that's certainly there. They live the way they live for very positive reasons.

    If you enjoy popular fiction, grab one of Linda Castillo's Kate Burkholder mysteries. Burkholder is former Amish Chief of Police of a small town in Ohio.

    The characteristics that define the Amish, as I know them, is a strong devotion to their own community and separation from the world.


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