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Now, po, understand:

1. Much of this addresses one of your fave Scriptures, i.e., Mt 25:31-46.
2. This "pastor" doesn't speak for pb. pb agrees with some, but not all, of his arguments. He doesn't say it directly, but he's a conservative. Ole pb, of course, ain't.
3. The "pastor" is very bright and well-read on the issues Ezra Klein and Sen candidate White Bread discuss,... and the very points you make on SS.
4. Among the critical issues, he addresses who your "least of these" are, and how Christians should relate to them.


po,

pb links to the video because it's what you repeatedly challenge pb, and now my brother believer OD, to enter into dialog with you about. pb suspects that, if you even open the video, you won't go more than a minute or two into it. But,...

... there's potential here for us to dialog over issues you seem to want to bring to light...

... but, with both of us taking issues, in our own way, with the "Christian";"Right."

UpToYou!


And, certainly, the rest of you are welcome to join in...



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  1. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 7:09 am

    po,

    Fascinatingly, minutes after I posted this thread, we were challenged to do a "least of these" thing in a way voting for a woke or progressive democrat could not possibly apply.

    Just curious, what's the woke Christian take on Galatians 6:9?


  2. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 8:44 am

    AI has a nice wrap-up of it. But then, we all know how woke AI is.

    "Galatians 6:9 states: "Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." This verse encourages perseverance in doing good deeds, assuring that there will be a reward for those who remain steadfast in their efforts. The context emphasizes the importance of living according to the Spirit and not losing heart in the face of challenges."


    I imagine that it's talking about "doing good" like... like supporting the baseless kidnapping your fellow citizens and neighbors and throwing them in a gulag for no legal reason and with no due process... taking food out of hungry children's mouths... or helping and supporting other countries in conducting a genocide. Stuff like that.


  3. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 8:46 am

    And the idea of any megachurch pastor opining about what Christianity really means is pretty funny on its face I gotta say.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 8:49 am

    AI ain't specific enuff. It doesn't fully answer pb's question.

    In the woke Christian world, would that mean voting early and often in each and every election... and, for the most woke or progressive democrat?... and, if there's a choice between woke and progressive, always choose woke!!!!!?


  5. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 8:52 am

    "And the idea of any megachurch pastor opining about what Christianity really means is pretty funny on its face I gotta say."

    ANY!!!!!? That's the way bigots think, ain't?

    So, you didn't soil yourself by even opening the video? Ain't that closed-minded?


  6. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 8:54 am

    A "real" Christian... a non-woke one... will vote to support any heinously destructive atrocity that Trump wants to foist upon America and the world... but if they are employed as a county clerk, they can't do their job and oversee same sex marriage. Or if they have a bakery, they can't make a gay wedding cake. I see.


    “I like your Christ, I do not like
    your Christians. Your Christians
    are so unlike your Christ.”


  7. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 8:56 am

    I watched it long enough to see what a flaming, self-protecting hypocrite and conman he is. That was long enough.


  8. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 9:01 am

    pedophile's bitch, you've got to understand that no video that you have ever presented to us here has ever made the point that you wanted it to make. Getting someone who also thinks as stupidly as you dfo doesn't make the thing you think less stupid. That's why I never watch much of them anymore.

    Yeah yeah yeah, I know I know how much you wish that you had basic, average intelligence like I do, but that's no excuse to remain as flabbergastingly and willfully stupid, pedophile's bitch. You don't have to be as stupid as you insist on being. No one is forcing you to be this stupid. It's not my or anyone else's fault that you feel the existential need to be this stupid.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 9:03 am

    po,

    Ole pb's still exploring the issues of piety and orthopraxy. What do woke Christians do to "walk the talk", if anything, beyond voting woke and progressive!!!!!? That's my ultimate question.


    And, as far as the video goes: Obviously, we'd disagree with the "Megachurch" "pastor," but from different perspectives. I thought that that'd energize our dialog.


  10. by Indy! on April 16, 2026 10:15 am

    I can definitely see Brown Shorts and OD "worshipping" at some megachurch.


  11. by Ponderer on April 16, 2026 11:14 am

    "What do woke Christians do to "walk the talk", if anything, beyond voting woke and progressive!!!!!? That's my ultimate question." -pedophile's bitch

    Maybe if you had ever explained to me what a "woke" Christian was supposed to be in the first place, I'd have some idea of what your question is supposed to mean.

    What is a woke Christian and how do they differ from a regular Christian?


  12. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 11:45 am

    "What is a woke Christian and how do they differ from a regular Christian?"

    A woke Christian is, say, a Sen candidate White Bread Christian who's politically woke and interested in making those views about morality the policy around which the nation operates.

    As to your contention that pb thinks there's such a thing as a "regular Christian?," in this world of denominations and sects and cults and people who believe in Jesus and reject all the institutionalized malarkey, what could a regular Christian possibly be?


  13. by myce on April 16, 2026 1:11 pm

    I'm trying to listen to this "apostle of the world' but it would be easier if he wasn't constantly lying.


  14. by oldedude on April 16, 2026 1:40 pm
    Lead, First off I've not heard of this guy. He does remind me though of some of our Step-son's friends who can recite. I obviously can see how the libs are not impressed with him.

    Anyway, interesting to say the least. I'm just getting starting with my first study of the Bible. My wife is on her third. So it was at least something to listen to. I'll keep it in mind as I get through this study.


  15. by Indy! on April 16, 2026 1:56 pm

    Watched about 6 minutes. Then he gets to the part about "slaughtering infants" and you know there's no reason for any intelligent person to continue. Previous to that, he misconstrued what Tallarico said (and - if you've been reading my posts on Tallarico, you know I am in no way a fan of his). He also pulled a Brown Shorts where he tries to claim there are "conservative Christians" and "Christian conservatives" - yeah... okay, a little of BS's "subjectivity" or "literal / figurative - figurative / literal" or whatever that dumb ass meaningless nonsense is he uses to support his orange ass monkey daddy all the time. Then he makes the ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS claim that the GOP did NOT make abortion and homosexuality two of the biggest "issues" in politics. I guarantee you everyone on the board knows at least a handful of people who only vote R based on abortion. And every one of Brown Shorts post on this board are in one way or another connected to either homosexuality or an LGTBQ+ "issue".

    Fraud. Hope you and OD are sending all your hard earned money to this charlatan. Well... in OD's case not actually "hard" earned - but you get my drift.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 2:07 pm

    "I'm trying to listen to this "apostle of the world' but it would be easier if he wasn't constantly lying."

    I'm realizing you are every bit the narcissist that is po. Everything you disagree with is a lie. Suuuuuuuuure!


  17. by myce on April 16, 2026 2:39 pm

    I know the difference between lying and disagreement. He's a liar.


  18. by HatetheSwamp on April 16, 2026 2:44 pm

    Ouch.

    I hesitate to aks you to identify the lies.


  19. by Indy! on April 16, 2026 2:44 pm

    The right's politics and beliefs are 100% based on lies.


  20. by oldedude on April 16, 2026 7:20 pm
    Okay, so no FACTS as usual. All you have are your nonexistent "feelings."
    My point remains. You're a useless once with no value to the civilization. You don't have an original thought of how to improve the situation, which tells me you're an unc without an original thought you can articulate. Got it, maldito mentiroso? You're a waste of human existence that isn't worth a pile of shit.
    YOU believe in things that have been proven wrong. Not on a theological level where there can be disagreements, butt on areas where FACTS have been proven you wrong. You and your minions (those with absolutely no brains) followers, choose to be absolutely stupid. fine. Their posts will reflect the same. Their posts will always be "bullshit" because they can't stand to face any truth. And I honestly don't give a flying fuck. I used to call them "ignorant" which just means under educated. Now. They are just FUCKING STUPID like you.


  21. by myce on April 16, 2026 7:43 pm

    Characterizing abortion as slaughtering infants is an obvious lie. Despicable too, because that attitude can actually get women killed. Pro-lifers would be more credible if they actually valued life as much as they value controlling this aspect of other people's lives. He also lied when he denied the political motives.

    The religious right promotes capitalist authoritarian ideology and calls it Christian. That's the summary of why I think he speaks deceit but I'm not going to sniff that long log again to pick out each lie, deception and point of disagreement.

    There is religion and there is zeitgeist. It's the zeitgeist combined with my personal reasons that brought me to this faith. In the time of Jesus, I don't know if there is any government today that is as brutal as the Romans and the norms of the time. Crucifixions? Gladiators? That's not how we want to be. I think Jesus would be pleased that most of the world finds these things unacceptable. I hope we can keep it that way.

    Given this context, I would hesitate to say whether Jesus would agree with me exactly on social policy or economic policy of our time. But he was a patron of the poor and oppressed, and he opposed corruption. Maybe Trump would call him "low-IQ" if he was alive today.


  22. by Indy! on April 16, 2026 8:20 pm

    The Bible also calls for killing actual infants...

    2 Samuel 12:15–18: God strikes the infant son of David and Bathsheba to punish David for adultery and murder, and the child dies.

    Numbers 31:17: Moses commands the killing of all male children among the Midianites, and all women who had been with a man, after the Midianites seduced Israel.

    1 Samuel 15:3: God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, including "child and infant" as retribution for what Amalek did to Israel in the past.

    2 Kings 2:23–24: Elisha curses boys mocking him, resulting in two bears mauling 42 of them.

    1 Kings 14:9–16: God promises to cut off all male descendants of Jeroboam as judgment for his evil acts.

    Psalm 137:9: A blessing is pronounced on the one who "dashes your little ones against the rock," referring to the brutal punishment of Babylonian children in revenge for what they did to Jerusalem.

    Deuteronomy 21:18–21: The Law allowed parents to bring a "stubborn and rebellious son" to the elders to be stoned to death.


    Oh - and of course the big one. The Bible is also perfectly okay with abortion:

    Hosea 13:16: The prophet speaks of judgment, saying "their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open" due to Samaria’s rebellion.

    =================================

    I wouldn't expect cult members and faux "Christians" like Brown Shorts and OD to know those passages.



  23. by oldedude on April 17, 2026 5:14 am
    Lead. I don't pretend to understand scripture as well as you. As a matter of fact, I'm just starting to learn while the friends and family here are very fluent in scripture. And, this is my two cents.

    Just skimming through the video, I am a Christian conservative (well classical liberal, but that's another story). Regarding core values. Most of these I've had for decades. What I know. The Old Testament is about law and people that violated that. I got it. In order to show what happens when you violate the law, you have to show bad people. In indy's post, all of those references he found through google were about people that violated the Law. No biggie, just taken out of context. What isn't being looked at is where there were those that absolutely followed the Law and what happened to those who didn't follow the law. So for me, the Old Testament is the Fire and Brimstone part. For me, the New Testament is about choices and guidance. There is a choice to follow or not. There is a choice to study (or not). We are human beings and therefore subject to bad choices (don't we all understand that).

    Obviously, Jeremiah 1:5 comes into play with those who believe. Old Testament, and a glimpse for those believers. I knew this long before there were bombings at pro-life buildings and Roe. That's just one example. My absolute core values haven't changed much (with a couple of big exceptions for the better). I am not looking for a fight. Just my understanding.


  24. by HatetheSwamp on April 17, 2026 5:40 am

    OD,

    You're touching on huuuuuuge issues. SS may not be the best way to address something this so essential.


    Briefly, the are a number of "Covenants" between God and people in the Old Testament. The most familiar are His Covenant with Abraham (Gen 12:1-3) and the Covenant with the nation of Israel through Moses, in which God promises to make the nation of Israel His people... on the condition that the nation upholds the Old "Testament" law.

    Jesus came to initiate the New Covenant, which was prophesied through Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:31-4). At the "Lord's Supper," Jesus said, "This cup is the New Covenant..."

    The New Covenant is something we enters when we repent and believe the gospel.


    Very oversimplified...

    The Old Testament law provides important context to our New Covenant. Some parts of the Old Testament law define what sin for us, but the "ceremonial," law,... how and when to offer sacrifices to a priest in the tabernacle obviously don't apply. You have to be very careful when people attempt to impose Old Covenant commands on your life of faith. You have to start with Jesus and look backward to understand the Law.

    Sorry to have confused you...


  25. by oldedude on April 17, 2026 6:31 am
    You're all good.


  26. by Ponderer on April 17, 2026 6:41 am

    "A woke Christian is, say, a Sen candidate White Bread Christian who's politically woke and interested in making those views about morality the policy around which the nation operates." -pedophile's bitch

    First of all, that is not a definition. It's subterfuge to hide the fact that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You want to attack Talarico with this term that your MAGA Hat Handlers pulled out of their asses, even though you can't even say what it means and it has no meaning whatsoever beyond your attacking him with it.

    And second of all, how am I doing that? How is my interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46, that Jesus simply meant what He was saying, "woke"... while your "unwoke" Christian views of those passages apparently give some different meaning to them?


    "As to your contention that pb thinks there's such a thing as a "regular Christian?," in this world of denominations and sects and cults and people who believe in Jesus and reject all the institutionalized malarkey, what could a regular Christian possibly be?" -pedophile's bitch

    Well, I have always thought that a "regular" Christian, or perhaps a "simple", basic, or average run-of-the-mill Christian, is one who simply adheres to the teachings of Jesus and believes that He said what He meant. One who, when they read Matthew 25:31-46 for example, takes Jesus at His Word and those verses for what they say. One who doesn't try to interpret what Jesus says in ways that suit their bigotry, racism, and sacred allegiance to an all-out anti-Christian political leader.

    Is it your contention, pedophile's bitch, that given all the different sects and denominations of Christianity that there are, there are just as many different interpretations as to what Jesus was really trying to impart to His fallowers with what He said in Matthew 25:31-46 as there are denominations?

    But then, you don't belong to any sect or denomination of organized religion. So, I guess you will just have to tell me what your interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46 is and why that interpretation separates you from "woke" Christians. What do those verses mean to you? Since they apparently differ so widely from woke Christianity? Is it your contention that those verses are open to so many different interpretations that they could mean anything that your bigoted, misogynistic, racist, MAGA Hat spin wants to make out of them to serve your Golden God/King's vile purposes?


    I'm really trying to help you make sense here, pedophile's bitch. Since you make pretty much none on your own.


    You apparently don't realize just how far from "regular" Christianity you are straying, pedophile's bitch. And all to service your Glorious Golden God/King. There would have been no argument at all between us about what Matthew 25:31-46 actually meant before Trump and his ICE thugs came along. We would have been in pretty much total agreement about what Jesus meant by those verses. And you freaking know it.

    But now, you have existentially devoted yourself to the service of Trump and the MAGA movement to such an obsequious degree that you are oblivious to how you have to twist and torture the religion that you went to school to study for years out of all recognition to the glory of your Mango Messiah... and you still want to call yourself a Christian? While wiping your ass with the simple, blatantly obvious teachings of Jesus Christ?

    You're a mess, pedophile's bitch. And so is every MAGA Hat who calls themselves a Christian while following, praising, and worshiping a man who acts for all intents and purposes as though he's at least running for the position of Antichrist.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on April 17, 2026 7:16 am

    "And second of all, how am I doing that? How is my interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46, that Jesus simply meant what He was saying, "woke"..."

    po,

    I imagine that our interpretations are similar. It's that you, and White Bread, want to make that teaching the foundation of US policy.


    "One who doesn't try to interpret what Jesus says in ways that suit their bigotry..."

    All of us bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives." Whether or not we choose to be their prisoner is our choice to make.


    "Is it your contention, pedophile's bitch, that given all the different sects and denominations of Christianity that there are, there are just as many different interpretations as to what Jesus was really trying to impart to His fallowers with what He said in Matthew 25:31-46 as there are denominations?"

    No


    "You're a mess, pedophile's bitch."

    Better people than you told me that yeeeeeears ago, bahaha


  28. by Ponderer on April 17, 2026 7:53 am

    "All of us bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives." Whether or not we choose to be their prisoner is our choice to make." -pedophile's bitch

    So that means that any abominable way that anyone wants to interpret what Jesus said to support their bigotry is fine with Jesus...? There's no such thing as a wrong interpretation of His teachings in Jesus's eyes...?


    "Is it your contention, pedophile's bitch, that given all the different sects and denominations of Christianity that there are, there are just as many different interpretations as to what Jesus was really trying to impart to His fallowers with what He said in Matthew 25:31-46 as there are denominations?"

    "No" -pedophile's bitch

    Maybe you can tell me why Republicans who are Christians and are trying their best to make this a "Christian Nation" by imposing their interpretations of Christian dogma into our laws are doing so within acceptable means, while the mere suggestion that any political leader acts in any way in perfect concert with the teachings of Jesus... is "woke"?


  29. by HatetheSwamp on April 17, 2026 7:59 am

    "So that means that any abominable way that anyone wants to interpret what Jesus said to support their bigotry is fine with Jesus...?"

    No. Duh. Y'ain't that stoopid.


    "There's no such thing as a wrong interpretation of His teachings in Jesus's eyes...?""

    Grrrrrrr.

    po,

    The issue between us is with application, not interpretation.


  30. by Ponderer on April 17, 2026 8:25 am

    Then what's wrong with my interpretation of Matthew 25:31-46...?

    Is my view of Christianity correct, even though it's a "woke" interpretation? And does my literal interpretation of those verses vary from yours and the rest of Christianity that isn't "woke" in some important way?


  31. by Indy! on April 17, 2026 12:13 pm

    So with Odorous it's perfectly fine to kill children or have abortions as long as the parents of the children did something the magic man in the sky didn't like.

    This is exactly what I am referring to when I say Republicans have no moral bearings whatsoever. They just support and mimic whatever the current authority says is kosher. Randomly bomb Iran for no reason whatsoever? Who cares if women and children are being murdered indiscriminately - T rump says it needs to be done. But save a mother's life by aborting a problem pregnancy? Oh HELL no - the Bible says that's no allowed UNLESS THE MOTHER SOMEHOW UPSET JEBUS CRIST!!!


  32. by oldedude on April 17, 2026 12:40 pm
    First "Crist" is a politician in Jersey.....

    If you can't see the issue here, you have no moral compass whatsoever.


  33. by Indy! on April 17, 2026 12:48 pm

    The problem with that statement is you have already proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that your "morals" are based on whatever your daddy tells you. So how on earth would you be able to judge anyone else when you are devoid of any morel bearings to use as a guide?

    Common sense, Señorita Enabler.


  34. by oldedude on April 17, 2026 8:31 pm
    My morals are strong. Far before trumpster was a dick in your mommy's cunt.

    I spent every day saving lives. More than you did in your entire fucking life. You just hid under your uncles' skirts sucking whatever milk you could get. I'm not so sorry your dad hates you. You deserve it. Your ethos (short word, do you know what that actually means?) is one of a self centered, egocentrical child that has absolutely zero self esteem. You have to fight with people in order to make yourself feel "bigger" which doesn't help because it only makes you smaller in the world. Where nobody likes you, and they wish you gone before you get there. Grow the fuck up.


  35. by HatetheSwamp on April 18, 2026 3:30 am

    "And does my literal interpretation of those verses vary from yours and the rest of Christianity that isn't "woke" in some important way?"

    Uh, literal, po!!!!!!? It's a metaphor!

    AGSIN, po. I'm concerned about your application of the METAPHOR. You... and White Bread... prove that the Christianity of wokes is Medieval, demanding the blending of church and state, though, hopefully, in a way that honors our Founders' vision of a republic.


  36. by oldedude on April 18, 2026 9:00 am
    Good explanation!


  37. by Indy! on April 18, 2026 12:57 pm

    Good lord your parents were monsters, OD. I can see why you wanted to get away from them as soon as possible by joining the army.


  38. by myce on April 18, 2026 1:29 pm

    HatetheSwamp I've not forgotten that I still owe you a citation regarding race and empathy. My intent is to research the topic a little bit so I can get you more than one citation. I'll get to it. For now I'd like to answer this question, "What do woke Christians do to "walk the talk", if anything, beyond voting woke and progressive!!!!!? That's my ultimate question."

    For more than ten years I've been subsidizing a disabled man who cannot survive on his own and was homeless when we first met. He became my roommate and he does contribute to the rent, but I've not counted how may times I've covered his share of the bills, taken him to the doctor/hospital, helped him get his own car, etc. I'm working-class myself so I don't have the resources to do very much but occasionally donate to charity too.


  39. by Ponderer on April 20, 2026 8:51 am

    I guess I am curious as to how simply treating your neighbor with empathy and compassion is "Medieval".

    You know how MAGARepublicans will actually turn against programs that they championed if a Democratic president suddenly agrees with them about it? Well, we are at the point where MAGARepublicans like pedophile's bitch are actually turning on the Bible and Christianity because there are Democrats who are bringing it up and championing it.

    There was nothing "Medievil" about Jesus's teachings being brought up in politics coming from the right before Talarico started bringing them up.


  40. by Ponderer on April 20, 2026 9:00 am

    I guess what pedophile's bitch is promoting is that one's religion should never have any effect on their political position. If one is a Christian who respects the teachings of Jesus, the way you vote or govern should have nothing at all to do with your Christianity.

    There's nothing at all wrong, as far as Jesus is concerned apparently, with being a Christian who respects His teachings while voting in favor of supporting genocide or taking food and medicine away from millions of desperate people. As long as you aren't the one physically yanking the food out of someone's open mouth, you have absolutely no responsibility over what your vote governing options does to others.

    Or so pedophile's bitch and his MAGA Hat cohorts apparently believe.


  41. by Ponderer on April 20, 2026 9:02 am

    If you are a Christian and you want to vote in an antithetical way to what Jesus taught, it's perfectly acceptable to Jesus I guess.


  42. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2026 10:11 am

    "I guess I am curious as to how simply treating your neighbor with empathy and compassion is "Medieval"."

    It ain't and y'ain't that stoopid.


    "There was nothing "Medievil" about Jesus's teachings being brought up in politics coming from the right..."

    Bullfernerner


  43. by myce on April 20, 2026 11:24 am

    I think HatetheSwamp's post traumatic stress dysfunction is severe, and it triggers the shit out of Ponderer who keeps looping around in circles without resolution as if in purgatory. Relatable.


  44. by HatetheSwamp on April 20, 2026 12:40 pm

    Yeah,

    I dunno what po's problem is. Sen candidate White Bread thinks that the US should be pro-choice because, in the Bible, Mary was given the choice to birth the Messiah. He thinks that the country should honor MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA rights because God is described as binary in Genesis 1:1 & 2. He thinks that the government should care for the needy because Jesus promoted that in Mt 25. White Bread... and po... advocate the blending of church and state, AND implementing Bible teachings as US public policy, i.e., Woke Christian Nationalism.

    That is, absolutely, a call to return to the Middle Ages.


  45. by Indy! on April 20, 2026 5:39 pm

    If god is binary you religious folks need to start using the proper pronoun of "they" when referring to "them".


  46. by myce on April 20, 2026 6:46 pm

    HtS, I'm amused the religious right is getting a taste of their own medicine although they don't like it so much. I wasn't aware of lgbtq rights in medieval times and thought they were more likely to get tortured/executed.

    Indy, I'm not Gnostic Christian but rather agnostic. I would agree "they" is correct, or "it" is also correct when referring to the Monad. (One. Omni.) I'm a fan of Sophia, companion to Jesus, whose pronoun is she. The mother/father of Jesus is both he and she.


  47. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 3:33 am

    "I wasn't aware of lgbtq rights in medieval times and thought they were more likely to get tortured/executed."

    Y'mean MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA rights?

    As I often observe to the other po, y'ain't that stoopid, baha


  48. by myce on April 21, 2026 6:29 am

    That's too many letters for me to remember but I can remember the order of the letters in "queer." How about that? If it wasn't clear, I disagree with your assertion that what you call woke Christianity is regressive as you suggest. You're just getting sloshed on authoritarian propaganda that reminds you of home, and coming over here and throwing up. If you wanted to discuss, could you at least get someone more serious than Pastor Longlog here? Are there any right wing pastors who aren't psychopaths who probably have dirty secrets and worship Satan?


  49. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 7:10 am

    "I disagree with your assertion that what you call woke Christianity is regressive as you suggest."

    Regressive?


  50. by myce on April 21, 2026 7:31 am

    Yeah? If you liken an idea to the Middle Ages, would that not be regressive? But none of the values Talarico promotes are comparable to middle ages. Was it government policy to feed the poor, to protect queer rights during the middle ages? I don't think so. Right wing capitalist authoritarian Christianity resembles the middle ages more than what you call woke Christianity.


  51. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 7:45 am

    "Yeah? If you liken an idea to the Middle Ages, would that not be regressive? But none of the values Talarico promotes are comparable to middle ages."

    It's that Talarico is proposing the blending of religion and state by attempting to make Bible teaching about, for instance, gender and abortion, law. That's Woke Christian Nationalism.


  52. by myce on April 21, 2026 7:53 am

    Has Talarico said or done anything that would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state? Or are you subjectively offended because you disagree with his interpretation of scriptures?


  53. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 8:05 am

    "Has Talarico said or done anything that would violate the Constitutional separation of church and state?"

    Absolutely not. He's merely a Christian Nationalist who is woke. This is America. Freedom, BABY! Ole pb's just, as Paul says, in Ephesians, "speaking the the truth in love."


  54. by myce on April 21, 2026 8:20 am

    He isn't nationalist.


  55. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 8:24 am

    I dunno know how you define the term. He's a politician, running for federal office, campaigning on imposing Bible teaching on NATIONAL law. That's Christian Nationalism.


  56. by Donna on April 21, 2026 8:33 am

    James strikes me as a sincere Christian and, well, just a nice guy who wants to make America nice too.


  57. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 8:50 am

    Donna,

    I don't doubt he's sincere. His Bible scholarship is laughable. But, certainly, sincere.


  58. by Donna on April 21, 2026 9:52 am

    I know the Bible at least as much as you, and I haven't found any discrepancies.


  59. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 10:06 am

    Donna,

    Do you honestly think that the point of Luke 1:38 is that God is pro-choice on the issue of abortion?

    Do you think that Gen 1:1-2 teaches that God is nonbinary?


  60. by Donna on April 21, 2026 10:17 am

    I always mistrust your framing, so I consulted AI.

    James Talarico, a Democratic Texas State Representative and 2026 U.S. Senate candidate, made a viral comment in 2021 stating that "God is nonbinary," which has recently become a focal point of Republican campaigns to define him as a "radical leftist".

    Here is the context regarding this statement:

    The 2021 Statement: During a Texas House floor debate opposing a bill that restricted transgender children from playing on school sports teams, Talarico said, “God is both masculine and feminine, and everything in between. God is nonbinary”.

    The Context: Talarico, a Christian and former public school teacher, stated his intent was to offer a theological argument that God transcends human gender categories, arguing that trans children are made in God's image.

    Defense of the Remark: Talarico has stood by the principle behind the comment, explaining it was designed to be "provocative" but rooted in his faith, often citing Galatians 3:28 ("In Christ, there is neither male nor female").


  61. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 10:23 am

    Donna,

    That comment is entirely beside the point. White Bread claims that the words Genesis 1:1 & 2 use for God prove that God is nonbinary. Do you really think he's right!!!!!?


  62. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 10:25 am

    Here's his Vizzini-like commentary. Whadahoot:

    youtube.com


  63. by Donna on April 21, 2026 10:53 am

    That commentator didn't refute anything Talarico said.

    I, too, don't believe that the creator of all of existence has a penis, do you? I also suspect that most Americans, even many or perhaps even most Christians agree with James on that, which is why Rephblicans like yourself kn desperation are pulling out all stops to discredit him, which for me is amusing to watch.






  64. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 11:01 am

    Donna,

    White Bread's punchline on Gen 1:1 & 2 is "and everything in between." There's nuthin in his observations about those two Hebrew nouns that gets us to "and everything in between."

    BTW, I wasn't endorsing the commentary on White Bread by Rich Lowry
    I was only demonstrating that Talarico made his point from the beginning of Genesis.


  65. by Donna on April 21, 2026 11:17 am

    Talarico's "everywhere in-between" is rooted in science (I think I'm the only one on this forum with a science degree), as we can now examine sex chromosomes. And scientists discovered quite a while ago that not everyone is xx or xy. There are variations.

    I tnink that people who accept that our Creator is neither purely male or femake would also agree that our Creator isn't purely any of the other sexual variations either.

    I don't believe that the Creator is even a being.

    In any case, none of these desperate attacks on James Talarico have made a difference in the minds of voters. Actually every new attack gives James a new opportunity to incrase hus popularity.

    So carry on.



  66. by HatetheSwamp on April 21, 2026 11:27 am

    "Talarico's "everywhere in-between" is rooted in science."

    Talarico claims it's in the first two verses of Genesis.


    "I tnink that people who accept that our Creator is neither purely male or femake would also agree that our Creator isn't purely any of the other sexual variations either."

    You have to know, from the real world, that that's not the case.


    "I don't believe that the Creator is even a being."

    Interesting.


    "In any case, none of these desperate attacks on James Talarico have made a difference in the minds of voters."

    My suspicion is that, and remember. He's running in Texas. When videos of his, say, extremely creative and unorthodox, interpretations of the Bible appear in the fall campaign, conservative Christian voters, driven by evangelical, even fundamentalist, subjectivity, won't respond well.


  67. by Donna on April 22, 2026 8:45 am

    Cornyn (+2) and Paxton (+1) were barely leading Talarico back in January. I haven't found more recent polling.

    realclearpolling.com


  68. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2026 10:39 am

    Donna,

    Remember the sincere hope that Ted Cruz would be trashed in 024? I do.

    Remember the Beto for Senate frenzy, times two? This is the standard Texas story. Still, if there's a year a Dem might break through, 026 might be it.

    Trust me, I hopin for the guffaws!

    Goooooooooooo White Bread!


  69. by oldedude on April 23, 2026 5:44 am
    first, I don't think it's going to take evangelicals to turn against talarico. Just the Christian base would do the job since this is one of his platforms.

    As far as talarico and cruzer, The state votes for them, I don't. I only care about what congress persons do first if it's legal or not. It's up to their constituency to figure out if they want them or not. I think little nancy is a waste of human existence, and I don't vote for her.

    I did a search of genders in Genasis. Only 2 there. Very specific. If there are others, he needs to make that clear, just like trumpster saying something and the TPSers their panties in a wad over it. So I'd like to know what "version" of the Bible he's using.

    That doesn't say you can't believe there are 72 genders. That's up to you. Welcome to our Republic!



  70. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2026 6:07 am

    OD,

    In the study of Scripture, there's such a thing as "eisegesis," which is taking an opinion you already have and enforcing it on the Bible. People who are first learning Hebrew and Greek often do this... to try to impress. I've seen it many times. Heck, I probably did some of it myself 50-ish years ago.


  71. by oldedude on April 23, 2026 6:43 am
    Okay, there's a word for it! Thanks. I've seen that a lot. And like you, even with myself (again 50ish years ago). Be that as it may. I'm asking a lot more questions, rather than making the statements. Once there's a "norm" of folks that can actually cite scripture around you, you learn to keep your mouth shut and just learn.🤣 That's been very good for me.


  72. by HatetheSwamp on April 23, 2026 6:56 am

    Amen!


  73. by Donna on April 23, 2026 8:00 am

    The Bible isn't a science book. If you want to learn more about natural sex chromosome variations, read the science.



  74. by oldedude on April 23, 2026 8:56 am
    Yet again. This is what you "believe," all 72 of 'em! I also find it interesting that when exposed to FACT, you refuse to listen to it. So there's that.


  75. by Donna on April 23, 2026 9:07 am

    No, not a belief. It's science.

    But even if one is ignorant about science, surely most people are familiar with the intersexed and those who were born with no sex organs.

    But if you wish to designate the Bible your only science source, then yes, the Creator "made them male and female" but the Bible doesn't say "only" male and female.







  76. by Indy! on April 23, 2026 9:16 am

    The Bible continually refers to god as "He, him" etc... which suggests god has a penis. I asked the two rightwingnuts if they believed god had a penis and they wouldn't answer me.


  77. by Donna on April 23, 2026 9:23 am

    Naturally a patriarchal society would worship a male god.


  78. by Donna on April 23, 2026 9:32 am

    I remember when reading the Bible (I read the entire Bible about 50 years ago) verses about eunichs, so I asked AI for a recap.

    Eunuchs in the Bible are typically castrated men serving in royal courts (e.g., Esther 2:3), though the term sometimes refers to court officials generally. They were initially excluded from the assembly of the Lord (Deut 23:1), but later accepted into God's covenant (Isa 56:4-5). Jesus references three types—born, made, and voluntary—emphasizing spiritual devotion over marriage.

    Key Aspects of Eunuchs in the Bible:

    Types of Eunuchs (Matthew 19:12): Jesus describes three types:
    Born that way: Natural eunuchs or those with physical impediments.

    Made eunuchs by others: Physically castrated, often for service in kings' palaces (e.g., Hegai in Esther 2:3).

    Voluntary eunuchs: Those who, for the sake of the kingdom of heaven, choose celibacy or abstinence from marriage/children to serve God fully.

    Roles and Status:

    Court Officials: Often served as trusted officials in royal harems or as treasurers because they were not considered a threat to the king's family line, such as Ebed-melech (Jeremiah 38:7) and the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:27.

    Social Status: While they sometimes held high power, they were often marginalized or considered "other".

    Biblical Shift on Status:

    Old Testament (Law): Deuteronomy 23:1 technically forbids those emasculated from entering the assembly of the LORD.

    Old Testament (Prophecy): Isaiah 56:4–5 reverses this, promising eunuchs who follow God a "memorial and a name better than sons and daughters".

    New Testament: The conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:26-40 signifies the inclusion of eunuchs and Gentiles into the church, fulfilling the promise in Isaiah.

    Common Misconceptions:

    Not all biblical eunuchs were necessarily castrated; the term was sometimes used interchangeably with "official" or "courtier".

    The "eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven" mention is generally interpreted as voluntary celibacy, not necessarily the endorsement of literal self-castration, although some interpretations suggest it represents a total abandonment of conventional manhood.


  79. by myce on April 23, 2026 4:39 pm

    That's interesting Donna. I think gender is a social construct that is historically related to division of labor by sex. By this definition, it seems eunuch is a unique gender identified in the Bible.

    I think the old religious rules are about pragmatism more than spirituality. The world of the Bible portrays an environment cursed with toil, thorns and patriarchy. For the survival of the group, most people didn't have the luxury of freedom to defy gender norms. But with herbicides and engines and stuff to help with the toil and thorns, there is not a need for strict gender norms either.


  80. by oldedude on April 24, 2026 2:30 am
    I wonder though, if those who transition now do it for a job, which is what they did during that time.

    I think the major issue in the Bible is that in both the Old and New Testament is that even a person that wasn't a "whole" person could be accepted into the Kingdom of God (or Christ). So as low as you were in the "pecking order" were still available to the religion. Another example is Mary Magdaline. It shows "agape love" meaning unconditional if you accept Christ (God in the Old Testament).



  81. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2026 3:24 am

    "The Bible continually refers to god as "He, him" etc... which suggests god has a penis. I asked the two rightwingnuts if they believed god had a penis and they wouldn't answer me."

    Do any of you know languages other than English? In the Bible languages, nouns have a "gender." In modern language, in French, the word for a pen, is "le stylo," a masculine noun. In French, a pen is a he, but pens ain't males.

    The NT Greek word for God is theos, masculine. The word for (Holy) Spirit, pneuma, is neuter. So, in Greek, the Spirit is an it.

    The notion that God is a he in the Bible has to do with a quandary presented to translators INTO ENGLISH. In the Bible, God is clearly, a personal Being. Calling God "it" in English is problematic. But, the truth is that God, in the Bible, ain't a male.


  82. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2026 4:13 am

    Hey, Donna. Go to 31:00 and enjoy!!!!!

    View Video


  83. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2026 4:34 am

    And, gang,

    What we are seeing here is evidence that woke hegemony is dead. When this Senate seat was open for the last time, in 020, the outcry against White Bread would not have been this universal. Some crazed right-wingers would have gone bonkers, for sure. But James Tapper wouldn't have covered it on frigginCNN, let alone covered it MORE THAN SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION!!!!!

    A new day has dawned. pb's three-headed monster, BABY!

    1. Old-school feminists,
    2. Anti-TQ LGB groups and activists who are becoming increasingly influential, and,
    3. Fascistic and disgusting mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids without government intrusion!

    And, dangit, pb hopes White Bread wins. We'll have six years of chortles and guffaws... at the expense of the MMIWG2SLGBTQQIA community, baha


  84. by myce on April 24, 2026 8:04 am

    Mr Subjectivity, I think Talarico is simply pushing back against the hegemony of the religious right and their corruption and hate, their political scheming and their idolatry. Your Christianity has the crazy-making baked right in with all of that "love" mixed with fire and brimstone.


  85. by HatetheSwamp on April 24, 2026 8:24 am

    "Mr Subjectivity..."

    All of us bring our preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives.


    "... I think Talarico is simply pushing back against the hegemony of the religious right..."

    The religious right dominates the culture? Bahaha bahahahahahahahahahaha, ha, ahhhhhhhh


  86. by Indy! on April 24, 2026 8:37 am
    Do any of you know languages other than English? In the Bible languages, nouns have a "gender." In modern language, in French, the word for a pen, is "le stylo," a masculine noun. In French, a pen is a he, but pens ain't males.

    The NT Greek word for God is theos, masculine. The word for (Holy) Spirit, pneuma, is neuter. So, in Greek, the Spirit is an it.

    (Blah, blah, blah - he has no idea what he's talking about)



    Nice spin, unfortunately some of us understand language and the Bible a little better than you do, Brown Shorts. If the English language translation is your issue - why go to French, Greek or any other language other than the one the Bible was originally written in - Hebrew?

    Let's use Brown Shorts one and only approved source to get the answer...

    Q: What is the hebrew biblical gender identifier for god?

    AI Overview
    In the Hebrew Bible, God is primarily identified using masculine grammatical forms, although theological perspectives emphasize that God transcends literal human gender.

    Grammatical Gender: Hebrew is a strictly gendered language without a neuter (it) form, requiring nouns to be masculine or feminine. God is almost exclusively associated with masculine nouns, adjectives, and verb conjugations.

    Key Identifier: The most common name for God, Elohim, is masculine in form. Verbs associated with God (e.g., vayomer Elohim—"and God said") use the masculine conjugation.

    Pronouns: When referring to God, the Bible uses the Hebrew masculine singular pronoun Hu (He).

    Imagery: God is described using masculine metaphors such as "man of war" (Exodus 15:3), king, and father.


  87. by Indy! on April 24, 2026 8:38 am

    Oh - forgot something... If you were raised in the only true Christian religion, you would know that already.


  88. by myce on April 24, 2026 9:38 am

    I thought Elohim was plural?

    AI says
    Elohim is grammatically a plural noun (ending in -im), but when referring to the God of Israel, it is almost exclusively used with singular verbs and adjectives, signifying a singular concept. It acts as a "plural of majesty" or excellence rather than a literal plurality, though it can denote "gods" or idols when used in a plural context.


  89. by Donna on April 24, 2026 10:08 am

    The god named YHWH (Yahweh) is one of the Elohim. We know that Yahweh was so concerned about competition from the other Elohim that that Yahweh's first commandment to the Hebrews who Yahweh governed was "I am the Lord your God, and thou shalt have no other gods before me."


  90. by myce on April 24, 2026 10:19 am

    There are two ways I see that. One is a jealous man-child of a God. Another is the idea that for example, we should love our neighbor and not worship money.


  91. by Donna on April 24, 2026 10:59 am

    Why would the supposed Creator of Universe have a human frailties like anger and jealousy?

    As for "love thy neighbor", remember that it was Yahweh who ordered the Hebrews to commit multipke genocides in the two books of Kings. The crime? They worshipped other gods.



  92. by Donna on April 24, 2026 11:00 am

    Not money. Gods. Like Baal.


  93. by Indy! on April 24, 2026 11:10 am

    by Donna on April 24, 2026 10:59 am

    Why would the supposed Creator of Universe have a human frailties like anger and jealousy?



    Bingo. And the idea of worship - what god that is "the creator of all things" has an ego? Much less one that fragile? If you think about creation originating from one thing (an "it" or power source of some kind) - it would have to be something humans (at least most of us) cannot even imagine. Not some tangible character from a book of fairy tales.


  94. by myce on April 24, 2026 5:48 pm

    You're right Donna, I'm conflating my reinterpretation of idolatry. Some pagan gods accepted human sacrifices, particularly Molech. Children were burned alive and archeologists have found their remains buried in jars. Yahweh seems relatively less bad in that world.



  95. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2026 2:39 am

    From AI:

    Female Metaphors for God
    Birthing/Mother Mother: God is portrayed as the one who gives birth to humanity (Deuteronomy 32:18) and a mother comforting her children (Isaiah 66:13).

    Nursing Mother: God is described as nursing the people of Israel at her breast (Isaiah 49:15, Numbers 11:12).

    Protective Mother Bird: God is likened to a mother hen gathering her chicks (Matthew 23:37) or an eagle protecting her brood (Deuteronomy 32:11).
    Wisdom (Sophia): In Proverbs 1-9, Wisdom is personified as a woman who acts as a creative and divine force in the world.

    The "Womb" of God: The Hebrew concept of compassion, rechem, is related to the word for "womb," illustrating a profound, nurturing divine love.
    Woman in Labor: God is described as panting and gasping like a woman in labor during the process of creation.

    Mother Bear: God is compared to a mother bear whose cubs have been stolen (Hosea 13:8).


    Interestingly, the notion that God could only be understood through masculine metaphors came up from time to time for me when I taught in that Christian Grad School... always from male students, of course.


  96. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2026 2:47 am

    "The god named YHWH (Yahweh) is one of the Elohim. We know that Yahweh was so concerned about competition from the other Elohim that that Yahweh's first commandment to the Hebrews who Yahweh governed was "I am the Lord your God, and thou shalt have no other gods before me.""


    Donna,

    You deserve the assessment I normally reserve for po: Y'AIN'T THAT STOOPID.

    I'm sure that you know better. I can't only guess at why you're pretending to pervert the obvious meaning of the ancient Hebrew texts. But, you're a hoot. Heck, a frigginHoot.


  97. by HatetheSwamp on April 25, 2026 4:11 am

    "Why would the supposed Creator of Universe have a human frailties like anger and jealousy?"

    Again, y'ain't that stoopid.


    Anger? Frailty? You can't not know this. Y'ain't stoopid. Understanding "YHWH" is beyond the capacity of the fallen human intellect. However, two of the attributes of God which you yourself have chosen to pretend away are Holiness, i.e., God's purity, and justice, which demands that good be rewarded and perversion and evil be punished.

    YHWH hates evil. Jesus even said, in Revelation, that He hates sin.

    God's attribute of justice ain't frailty. In fact, Martin Luther King, Jr transformed our nation preaching God's justice,... until we believed!

    Let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream, BABY! Amos 5:24


  98. by Indy! on April 25, 2026 2:23 pm

    That's funny. Brown Shorts didn't even know the original texts were in Hebrew until I pointed it out to him the other day. Now he's trying to lecture us on what the Hebrew Bible meant. 😂


  99. by Navy2711 on April 25, 2026 3:50 pm

    I get angry at my kids sometimes. And on a couple occasions, it's been not just frustration with their misbehaving, it's been pure selfish anger at them. And I STILL haven't drowned them, caused sores to erupt on their skin or turned them into pillars of salt.

    Why can't "Christians" be honest that God is a sh#tty parent?


  100. by oldedude on April 25, 2026 8:29 pm
    Maybe because he isn't a "Parent?"


  101. by Donna on April 26, 2026 3:01 pm

    Hts - I've never heard a Christian refer to God as "Heavely Mother" or to the Trinity as "The Mother, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".

    Yahweh ordered genocides. Deal with it.

    myce - You don't seriously believe that genocide is ever justified, do you?


  102. by HatetheSwamp on April 26, 2026 3:21 pm

    Are you, with your substantial Bible knowledge, trying to let me think that you you aren't aware of female metaphors for God?


    "Yahweh ordered genocides. Deal with it."

    Genocide.


  103. by Indy! on April 26, 2026 3:40 pm

    So your position is YOUR god - from whatever cult you're in - believes god is both male and female which means...

    BROWN SHORTS WORSHIPS A TRANSGENDER GOD!!! 🙏

    BWAHHH-hahaha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo haha-HAHA oh lordy... lordy GOOD LORD haha HAHAHA bwaa-ha-ha haha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo HA HAHA hahahaaaah! Jesus, help me haha HAHAHAHAHA teehee woo-hoo laaaawdy... HAHA ha-haa bwaaah-ha-ha gracious haha HAHAHA bwaa-ha-ha haha HAhahaHAHA! hahaha woo-hoo HA HAHA hahahaaaah! hahaha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo haha-HAHA help me Jesus! Gracious my ha-ha-ha BWAAAH-haha HAAAAAA hah-ha oh-ho help me, help me haha HAHAHA bwaa-ha-ha haha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo HA HAHA hahahaaaah! No please not again... WAHHH-hahaha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo haha-HAHA! Bwaaaha HAHAHA bwaa-ha-ha haha HAhahaHAHA hahaha woo-hoo HA HAHA hahahaaaah! GOOD LORD Jesus, help me haha HAHAHAHAHA woo-hoo laaaawdy... Oh that's rich... tell me another one... 😆

    You stepped right into that one and there's backing out now. 😂


  104. by Navy2711 on April 26, 2026 5:00 pm

    "Maybe because he isn't a "Parent?" - OD

    ____________________

    "Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you?" - Deuteronomy 32:6

    "As a father has compassion on his children, so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him" = Psalm 103:13

    "You, Lord, are our Father; our Redeemer from of old is your name.” - Isaiah 63:16

    “Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?” - Malachi 2:10

    "“I will be a father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters…” - 2 Corinthians 6:18

    ______________

    God (supposedly) created us. He gave us a place to live. He disciplines us and rewards us. He is the authority figure. He sets the rules. He displays anger at our misbehavior, but also shows compassion.

    Okay, he's not a Hallmark Card parent, he's more of an absolute patriarch. But what aspects of parenthood does he NOT exhibit? I guess he didn't show up at your school's PTA meeting? He didn't coach your Little League team??

    Jfc, OD. You're just hell bent on being wrong about everything.


  105. by oldedude on April 26, 2026 5:23 pm
    I'd explain the trinity, but it's far above your comprehension.


  106. by Indy! on April 26, 2026 5:35 pm

    Does that come before or after Chicken Little on the Complicated Fairy Tales Scale, Odorous? 🤔


  107. by myce on April 26, 2026 8:06 pm

    You don't seriously believe that genocide is ever justified, do you?

    No. I loosely identify the God of the Old Testament with the Demiurge, an ignorant or malevolent being.


  108. by oldedude on April 26, 2026 8:40 pm
    Does that come before or after Chicken Little on the Complicated Fairy Tales Scale, Odorous?

    This is why you remain stupid, and ignorant.


  109. by Donna on April 29, 2026 10:31 am

    myce - I had to research "demiurge". Used AI. I agree that the description seems to match Yahweh.


  110. by myce on April 29, 2026 6:30 pm

    Donna, I started to make sense of parts of the OT by thinking of "God" as the impersonal, amoral forces of nature and humans' relationship with nature. Then I learned about the non-canonical or Gnostic texts. Their ideas of the Divine are very complex and I know very little, but this is my understanding in a nutshell.

    There is the One which is beyond our comprehension. This One created a divine realm and other dieties that are paired male/female or androgynous. I think Jesus is a personal diety who is an aspect of the One. There is a pattern of Father, Mother and Child. So I identify the Holy Spirit of the Trinity as Mother.

    Sophia is a divine being who made a terrible mistake of creating without the consent of her divine counterpart or the One. (It seems that mutual consent for producing a child is very important here.) Sophia is fallen since she created the Demiurge who created the material world. I identify her with humanity. She is the bride and Jesus the bridegroom in Mathew 25 I think.

    I don't literally believe in gods, but the symbolism is meaningful to me in a way the cannon alone isn't. Albeit, I think the Gnostics had a very negative view of the material world that I don't entirely share.


  111. by oldedude on April 29, 2026 10:00 pm
    look up the trinity. it answers your questions.


  112. by myce on April 29, 2026 10:42 pm

    What does it mean to you Oldedude?


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