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November 13, 2021 10:59 am
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There's a lot of speculation that he's going to get off Scot free or at least a very reduced sentence on the grounds that he was acting in self defense.

So apparently you can stand in the middle of the 405 freeway with an AR-15 and shoot at oncoming traffic because they were going to run you over.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on November 13, 2021 11:12 am
    I watched about an hour of what was televised of the court proceedings. The prosecution is lousy. Besides trying to impugn Rittenhouse for being silent, contrary to the judge's order and constitutional protections, the prosecution blew their chances when Rittenhouse was on the stand.

    For that reason alone, I expect Rittenhouse will get off scot free or very lightly.

    This will all come down to this question: would a reasonable person fear for their life in that circumstance? Never mind that like your guy standing in the highway, Rittenhouse made a series of unreasonable choices to be in that situation.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2021 11:25 am

    Donna,

    During the last three or four days Fox has been covering the trial closely.

    I don't know what Rachel is saying, but based on what I've seen on Fox...and other media, the prosecutor has made a mess of the trial.

    Re: So apparently you can stand in the middle of the 405 freeway with an AR-15 and shoot at oncoming traffic because they were going to run you over.

    First. I don't even know what this sentence means.

    Also, one serious problem I have on threads like this especially with po...but, now, obviously with you too, is to know wonder why you stay in the effin US... And, for that matter, anywhere where the values of Western culture dominate. It appears that you want to convict Rittenhouse no matter what!!!!!

    Here, the accused is always presumed innocent until they are proven guilty. And, based on the actual trial, I can't see the proof.

    Again, I don't know what Rachel is reporting but there have been several instances where the prosecutor stumbled into having his own witnesses, under his own direct questioning, essentially, effin, PROVE Rittenhouse's claim of self-defense.

    Based on testimony of prosecution witnesses, I don't think Rittenhouse can be found guilty of any of the serious charges. The judge just allowed the prosecution to introduce reduced charges. Rittenhouse will probably be found guilty of something, but not much.

    What he's actually guilty of I can't say but, based on the case presented against him...not much.


  3. by Donna on November 13, 2021 11:56 am
    Not sure why you brought up Rachel, and twice yet. I have no idea what she's been saying about it either.

    I too have heard that the prosecuting attorney has done a poor job. You would think that for a case of such high profile that they'd be able to get someone who's competent.

    I'm not going to bother explaining that analogy which btw I've posted about four places and everyone else seems to get it. It's being shared quite a bit. Maybe it'll go viral. Actually Sheri came up with it. Btw, she hasn't been posting on politics here nor very much on Facebook either because she sees how pointless it is. I've scaled back quite a bit too.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2021 12:04 pm

    I know that you purport to rarely view Rachel.

    For me, Rachel is a metaphor for the lameness of left wing imbecilic cable news media... which seems to be viscerally inflaming people who want to think that Rittenhouse was firing wildly in the middle of a major highway.

    BTW, Sean is the Rachel of the right.

    I don't watch either.


  5. by Donna on November 13, 2021 12:33 pm
    To my knowledge, no one is saying that KR fired into the other lanes.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2021 1:01 pm

    This says it.

    Liberals Accuse Rittenhouse Of Trying To Avoid Punishment Through Legal Loophole Known As 'Trial'

    "Leftists are sounding the alarm that Kyle Rittenhouse—a notorious slayer of white communist pedophiles—may escape punishment through a little-known legal loophole known as a "trial.""
    babylonbee.com


  7. by Donna on November 13, 2021 1:10 pm
    There's nothing in that piece which says that liberals think KR fired wildly into the other lanes. But I get it. You were just looking for an opening to work in that BB piece.

    There's always the court of public opinion. The left is no different than the right in forming their own extrajudicial opinions.

    Of course no group became more unhinged at an official ruling than the Trumpers who stormed the Capitol building in a desperate attempt to overturn a free and fair election.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2021 1:44 pm

    The BB piece created humor through absurdity by making light of the fact that the left wing TV SwampMedia convicted Rittenhouse before the opening gravel of his trial and is already stoking BLM and Antifa rage through its incendiary reporting.


  9. by Donna on November 13, 2021 1:55 pm
    All sides do that.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on November 13, 2021 7:34 pm
    "...left wing TV SwampMedia convicted Rittenhouse before the opening gravel of his trial..." --HtS

    Hand-wringing from someone who votes for the guy who leads chants of "lock her up!"


  11. by HatetheSwamp on November 14, 2021 4:15 am

    Donna,

    All sides stoke rage?


  12. by Donna on November 14, 2021 9:04 am
    Absolutely. Sometimes it's for political purposes, and other times it's apolitical and done to make money off of the ad revenue it generates (aka clickbait).


  13. by HatetheSwamp on November 14, 2021 11:31 am

    Donna,

    You practice the "follow the money" cynicism even more than Rush Limbaugh did and he wore me out.

    I do think that, the way CNN especially, but also MSNBC, are being destroyed in the ratings that they'd like to enrage the BLM and Antifa crowds, stoke riot rage and reap the ratings bonanza. And, from what I can tell, they're covering for trial that way...

    ...but, I don't want to believe it.


  14. by Donna on November 14, 2021 12:10 pm
    I'm not aware of nor do I care about who's getting "destroyed" in the ratings. Btw, that's a word (destroyed) that's been getting IMO increasingly overused and incorrectly used ever since media outlets (usually when the subject is politics,) started using it in their headlines as clickbait to get you to read read their article, which has had the residual effect of people using emotive words like "destroyed" more in their everyday conversations on social media.



  15. by HatetheSwamp on November 14, 2021 12:24 pm

    I don't care about cable TV ratings either but the people whose jobs depend on them do. It's easy to consider that upping ratings may be in the minds of CNNers especially.


  16. by Donna on November 14, 2021 1:02 pm
    There is no "especially". Ratings mean everything to media outlets. The higher the rating, the more money they can make in ad revenue.

    Back in the day, the big 3 TV networks actually lost money on their news & commentary shows, and then made up for those losses with their Prime Time programming. That why news & commentary shows back in the day weren't nearly as slanted as they are today. We didn't have separate Republican and Democratic news networks back then.

    The programming model today is find an audience that has a particular political viewpoint, and then just keep giving them more and more of what they like. That also holds true for YouTube news & commentary shows.





  17. by Donna on November 14, 2021 1:07 pm
    Social media outlets operate like that too. That's why most if not all of your Facebook news feed contains stuff that appeals to you. Even many of the ads that pop up are customized according to what you've clicked on or performed a Google search on.


  18. by Curt_Anderson on November 14, 2021 1:29 pm
    If a person is holding up a gas station and kill the attendant, that robber can't argue that they felt threatened so it was self-defense even if the attendant pulled his own gun or tried to grab the robber's gun.

    Everybody involved in the robbery including the lookout and getaway driver waiting outside would be charged with the attendant's murder. In fact, if the attendant killed the would-be robber, the others involved in the robbery would be changed with the robber's death. That's because their participation in the crime resulted in somebody's death that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

    The prosecution should have hammered home that Rittenhouse violated gun possession, transport, underage use of a gun laws, the curfew and any other laws or police orders. Rittenhouse claimed he didn't know the various laws he violated. Ignorance is never an excuse for breaking a law. So like the gas station robber, Rittenhouse's illegal actions resulted in two deaths and an injury. None of it would have happened had Rittenhouse stayed home.

    That's the opportunity that the Kenosha prosecution squandered.


  19. by Donna on November 14, 2021 3:12 pm
    KR argued, though, that he wasn't in Kenosha to commit a crime and that he only fired his AK-47 after he was attacked.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on November 14, 2021 3:31 pm
    Donna,
    Rittenhouse was not legally old enough to carry a firearm in Wisconsin. So he violated at least that law. Maybe he didn't intend to violate that law or know the law but he acted illegally nonetheless.

    Incidentally, I still expect Rittenhouse to get off or with a slap on the wrist. But he'll face a tougher time in civil court where it can be weighed what percent Rittenhouse's actions contributed to the deaths and injuries.



  21. by HatetheSwamp on November 15, 2021 4:40 am

    In my opinion, testimony makes it clear that Kyle only fired after he, legitimately, felt threatened, no matter how much the violent woke crowd wants to assert another truth.

    The judge is going to issue some rulings on lesser charges that Kyle may be found guilty of, but I agree. He's not going to be found guilty of the charges that CNN and MSNBC wanted.

    He'll probably be vulnerable in civil suits.


  22. by Donna on November 19, 2021 10:49 am
    Not guilty on all counts.

    So in America now, an underage citizen can take a firearm to another state, stand in the middle of a riot brandishing an AR-15, gun down and kill anyone who lays a hand on you, and get off Scot free.
    cnn.com


  23. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 10:53 am

    So, now, in America, Donna, the accused truly is innocent until proven guilt. Moan and whine all you want. But, this prosecution didn't prove nuthin!


  24. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:02 am
    I get that, but that doesn't change what I said.

    It would be interesting to see how a court would rule if an underage Black youth crossed state lines with an AR-15 and stood in the middle of a gathering of White supremacists and then shot and killed anyone who attacked him.


  25. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 11:15 am

    Y'know, Donna. As far as the 'across state lines' thing, that's a federal thing. It's interesting to me that the flatulent fool, who has weaponized his Justice Department against effin parents who become animated in School Board meetings, has not done anything in this case. I have to guess that this is not the big deal that you want it to be.

    What I suspect you want to deny is that American citizens are empowered by a Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment is alive and well.


  26. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:21 am
    I'm not making a legal argument. My point stands that apparently, in America, if you want to do some killin' and get away with it, just do what KR did.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 11:22 am

    Donna,

    Also.

    I remember, during the Derek Chauvin trial, that I was hyper critical of po, while the prosecution was making its case, wanting to string Chauvin up. I was aghast against po because here, where people have rights, the accused is permitted to answer the charges brought against them.

    And, of course, I was right.

    In this trial, many of us had an impression that Rittenhouse was going to walk, even during the presentation of the case against him.


  28. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 11:25 am

    Y'know.

    If his victims had been black, he'd'a probably not even been charged.


  29. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:36 am
    Regardless of the merits of the verdict, it creates a worrisome precedent where an army of people brandishing firearms can descend on a public gathering of people they disagree with, whether it be a peaceful protest or a riot, and legally kill anyone who lays a hand on any of them.


  30. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:37 am
    You're probably right.


  31. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 11:41 am

    Regardless of the merits of the verdict, it creates a worrisome precedent where an army of people brandishing firearms can descend on a public gathering of people they disagree with, whether it be a peaceful protest or a riot, and legally kill anyone who lays a hand on any of them.

    That nowhere close to my understanding of what happened.


  32. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:57 am
    I was just corrected on Facebook by someone who said that KR obtained the AR-15 after he crossed into Wisconsin. That's a minor point though. But the precedent has been established that the scenario I described in my previous post could happen. It has the potential to open the floodgates to people who are looking for way they can kill people they disagree with and get away with it.



  33. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 12:10 pm

    I was going to correct you on that, too. But, what you understood, was widely reported...

    ...and, I'll add, by news sources more interested in promoting an agenda than journalistically recounting truth.

    My guess, Donna, neither of us would have been chosen to serve on the jury.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on November 19, 2021 12:27 pm
    "I was just corrected on Facebook by someone who said that KR obtained the AR-15 after he crossed into Wisconsin." -Donna

    KR testified that his sister's boyfriend (straw) purchased the rifle for and with KR with KR's money in Ladysmith WI some months earlier. They went to shooting range up there. KR then took the gun back to his home in Illinois.

    Incidentally, it's not over for KR. I anticipate there will be lawsuits and trials in civil court.


  35. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 12:46 pm

    Curt,

    I'm sure you're correct. From what I can tell, the family of one of the shooting victims is all but saying that already.

    Based on what KR's lead attorney said, due to very enthusiastic donors, the criminal defense was extremely well financed.

    For many, Kyle is a symbol, even a folk hero.

    His legend now grows.


  36. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 12:59 pm

    "Joe Biden will 'pay for' characterizing Rittenhouse as a 'white supremacist.'"
    View Video


  37. by Donna on November 19, 2021 1:21 pm
    Morality is inherent. It can't be learned in a book, or from a religion. All of the sermons in the world are useless.

    This can be seen clearly in the responses to the third post down from this one on my wall [regarding the 41-month sentence Jacob Chansley was handed]. In these responses, people who fervently claim to be Christians insistently reject the teachings of Christ on mercy, favoring instead a wicked vengeance. Progressive people on the same thread reject reason, even science, in favor of emotional satisfaction. The reason of both groups is overwhelmed by emotion, and selfish impulse.

    In truth I have discovered nothing new here. Our land is littered with temples to morality, churches on every corner, centered around a book and a god that tells his followers, "go and sell your possessions and give the money to the poor," and yet the parking lots are filled with expensive vehicles, and the doors are locked at night against the cold and the homeless.

    Still, it is a bit of a revelation to me. I've always assumed that the cultural/religious advancement of morality served some function. Apparently not.

    Again, the obvious: apparently people pick and choose whatever moral lessons from the teachings do not conflict with their own desires, and leave the rest as litter.

    Sean R. Shealy


  38. by Curt_Anderson on November 19, 2021 1:43 pm
    The following is what is reported in this morning's Milwaukee Journal which contradicts what I thought I heard Kyle Rittenhouse say as I posted above.

    "Rittenhouse, who lived in Illinois, did not take the gun across state lines to Kenosha, according to trial testimony and police investigators.

    The AR-15 was stored at the Kenosha home of the person who purchased the weapon and Rittenhouse retrieved it there before going to the protests. Rittenhouse, then 17, was not old enough to buy an AR-15 at the time."



  39. by HatetheSwamp on November 19, 2021 2:13 pm

    Interesting post, Donna. On one hand, I substantially agree with it. On the other, it strikes me as being self-righteous and too comfortable in judging others.


  40. by Curt_Anderson on November 19, 2021 10:12 pm
    "Joe Biden will 'pay for' characterizing Rittenhouse as a 'white supremacist.'" --HtS

    Interesting, except Biden did NOT characterize Rittenhouse as a white supremacist. Here is the tweet in question.

    twitter.com


  41. by Donna on November 19, 2021 11:28 pm
    Curt, did you watch the video?



  42. by HatetheSwamp on November 20, 2021 4:19 am

    I saw Gregg Jarrett, Fox's Chief Legal Analyst, formerly of MSNBC, btw, splaining in specific detail how Rittenhouse has a "strong case" against the former 18 wheeler driver for defamation.

    Don't you just want to see that in the news during the 022 election season?


  43. by HatetheSwamp on November 20, 2021 5:57 am

    Interestingly... ironically, Curt, Kenosha was quiet...

    ...but effin PORTLAND... erupted in riots?

    Curt, apparently you Oregonians are very ill tempered.
    foxnews.com


  44. by Donna on November 20, 2021 9:17 am
    Women rotting in prison who killed their abusers in self defense would like a word.


  45. by HatetheSwamp on November 20, 2021 9:23 am

    My guess is that there are few parallels.

    po loves to engage in the "equitable comparison" chant. But, by all means, when the comparison is equitable?

    Preach it, Donna!




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