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What will Second Amendment rights advocates say about ICE killing a fellow gun owner?
By Curt_Anderson
January 24, 2026 1:10 pm
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Gruppenführer Greg Bovino held a brief news conference alleging that Alex Pretti "approached" border patrol agents with a 9mm semi-automatic handgun, and "violently resisted" when agents tried to disarm him.

Pretti had a legal gun carry permit. Pretti, a nurse by profession, had no criminal record. Displaying a permitted gun is legal in Minnesota. Bovino said Pretti "approached" them with a gun. There is no evidence that Pretti pointed or brandished the gun. Bovino claims that Pretti intended a mass shooting of ICE officers also without any proof.

I have not seen any reports that indicate that ICE agents even knew that Pretti was carrying a gun until after he was dead.

Hopefully videos will answer some of these questions.

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Comments on "What will Second Amendment rights advocates say about ICE killing a fellow gun owner?":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on January 24, 2026 1:25 pm
    Btw, Alex Pretti, the man shot and killed by federal agents, was a nurse in the intensive-care unit at the Veterans Affairs hospital in Minneapolis.

    As for his "violently resisting" the ICE goon squad, he looked to be getting a sound beating while on the ground with a half dozen or so goons on top of him. He was reportedly shot ten times.

    DHS refuses to release the shooter(s) name(s) or reveal any forensic information to state or local police. Cover-up to ensue.

  2. by HatetheSwamp on January 24, 2026 1:30 pm

    "Btw, Alex Pretti, the man shot and killed by federal agents..."

    Uh, don't you mean St Alex of Minneapolis?

  3. by oldedude on January 24, 2026 4:28 pm
    First, I'm not going to appease curt's desire to fight anyone. Responsible ownership of any weapon (gun, knife, shovel, ax handle, WTF ever) comes with responsibility. Obviously, asshole didn't understand that. He's obviously not a responsible gun owner, and those responsible owners are not going to support asshole being stupid.

    curt- Pretti had a legal gun carry permit. Pretti, a nurse by profession, had no criminal record. Displaying a permitted gun is legal in Minnesota.
    All immaterial to the case. My guess is that there are also laws about going into a bar or bank armed. That's a stupid move. Period.

    Bovino said Pretti "approached" them with a gun.
    Why would any responsible gun owner approach a bunch of armed agents where the agents have proven their ROE is that they are cleared to shoot in defense. Regardless of his intent, he a stupid fuk for doing this. He's asking to get dead.

    There is no evidence that Pretti pointed or brandished the gun. Bovino claims that Pretti intended a mass shooting of ICE officers also without any proof.
    Immaterial to the case. Just having a weapon in this situation is a threat to life. Again, pretty shouldn't have been on that side of town with a gun. This is a great "suicide by cop" scenario. This is NOT anything a responsible gun owner would do.

    Does shithead have a "right?" sure. But there's no defense for stupidity. My view? He should be nominated for the Darwin Award.

    Let's "assume" asshole just got off work. A responsible gun owner, even if carrying everyday, would have gotten in their car and gone home. Most direct route. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. No stops, no liquor store runs, NOTHING. Go home, do what you want. He escalated the incident on his own accord. Then he resisted arrest. Felonious stupid act. Let's "assume" he was on the side of the agents. Okay... You show that differently, unarmed, and non threatening to the agents or anyone else.

    Two additional issues here. Curt hates law enforcement. two. curt hates gun ownership. three. like concha curt needed someone to agree with him and he "thought" that since all 2A people look like they have rabies and wild eyes hoping to kill people. My answer to that? You really need to get yourself unfucked. Your hatred towards all things not in your order of things is turning you into that wild-eyed stupid fuk with rabies.

  4. by Curt_Anderson on January 24, 2026 6:49 pm
    OD, do you ever carry a gun? Do you ever with your gun lawfully secured and hidden in your pocket or holster "approach" law enforcement? Bovino used the word "approach" intentionally, because it allows people like you to imagine Pretti being aggressive and sinister thus deserving of being pummeled and shot to death.

  5. by Curt_Anderson on January 24, 2026 7:19 pm
    Gun Owners of America
    @GunOwners
    🚨GOA STATEMENT ON MN SHOOTING🚨

    We are saddened by the loss of life in Minneapolis, Minnesota earlier today during a federal law-enforcement operation. Because details remain limited and facts are still emerging, it is essential that
    @theJusticeDept conduct a complete, transparent, and prompt investigation so the public can fully understand what occurred and maintain confidence in the rule of law.

    Furthermore, we condemn the untoward comments of
    @USAttyEssayli. Federal agents are not "highly likely" to be "legally justified" in "shooting" concealed carry licensees who approach while lawfully carrying a firearm. The Second Amendment protects Americans' right to bear arms while protesting—a right the federal government must not infringe upon.
    x.com

  6. by Indy! on January 24, 2026 7:34 pm

    So let's recap...

    J6 Pardons = Queen Odiot supports cop killers

    MN Murders = Señorita Welfare supports murdering young mothers and care givers for veterans

    We're learning a lot about the Dark Odor with the T rump in office.

  7. by oldedude on January 24, 2026 8:04 pm
    curt in a "do you still beat your wife" question- OD, do you ever carry a gun?
    Have you ever read one of my posts? Just wondering, because you should know that fucking answer. And yes, I do carry on my person, in my car, and secured in my house (which isn't a "carry" instance, but they're fully accessible).

    Do you ever with your gun lawfully secured and hidden in your pocket or holster "approach" law enforcement?
    First, WTF is "lawfully secured?" it just sounds like you don't know jack or shit about the subject. Three part question, which is usually another "do you still beat your wife" question. That's why people ask multi part questions, it to trip you up. I'll break this down for you.

    Do I carry my pistol (a specific type of "gun." I have a concealed carry permit which is not necessary in the State of FL, because we're a constitutional carry state. And yes, I do carry concealed. I don't like to announce that I'm carrying. First rule.

    I NEVER carry in my pocket. It's fucking unsafe and I really don't want to shoot my junk off. I know that it wouldn't matter to you, but I didn't get my junk caged by a "mistress."
    I always have it either in my hand or in a holster (depending on my threat assessment).
    Do I ever "approach" an officer of the court with my pistol? Absolutely not. Their risk assessment skyrockets when you do that, as I've said twice now. So this is the third.

    If they approach me and want to ask questions, etc. My hands immediately go up in the air. I tell the officer that I am carrying and exactly where it is on my body. I then get ready to be thrown to the ground. I NEVER violate any order by the officer. I'll tell him what I am doing to fulfill his demand. At this time, I am considered "detained" and he needs me to acknowledge that. As my weapon is being pulled out of the holster, I ask him gently not to throw it to the ground and tell him how I carry the pistol. This tells him that I am trying to keep them and others safe (and also I don't want to get dead). All the weapons I own are very specific to me as an individual. I show him respect. If he shows me respect, I'm good with that. If not, I'm the perp in this case. I assure the officer of the court that I will comply to everyone of their orders. I would never ask for my pistol back until I'm leaving the scene if they give me permission. Remember, I'm the detainee in this situation. I'm not stupid enough to fuck with that.

    Bovino used the word "approach" intentionally, because it allows people like you to imagine Pretti being aggressive and sinister thus deserving of being pummeled and shot to death.
    Please don't fucking "assume" what I know and don't. You're the amateur at this. Not me. You can't buy a fucking clue about the situation. You can only have an uneducated "opinion." So you really need to not be a dikead.

    And honestly? I really thought I was giving my honest opinion of what I've learned from carrying both as a job, and as a civilian for the past 50+ years. I specifically have NOT given a guilty or innocent on this case, because myself, for one, apparently don't have the luxury of knowing the entire case like you apparently do. So if you have the fucking answers, just tell me. comprende?

    "Approach" is the legal term. Again, would I "approach" officers of the court? Absolutely fucking NOT. It's their turf, I just escalated their threat assessment by just showing up with a pistol. Anyone that's ever been through a concealed carry permit class should know that. The dikeads that don't? They get shot for being stupid at best.

    My thought for you. Your pretty little cornuda, made all the WRONG moves regardless of what he wanted. He brought the escalation to the situation. Then he fought, proving he was a threat. Your lover was the issue. He, like you, is the dikead.

  8. by Curt_Anderson on January 24, 2026 8:28 pm
    "Do I ever "approach" an officer of the court with my pistol? Absolutely not. " ---OD

    I very much doubt that. If you are walking down a street sidewalk with your legal gun tucked away and you see an officer of the court (judges, attorneys, clerks, bailiffs, etc.) or in the case at a hand, a police officer, walking towards you, I am skeptical that you would turn tail to avoid approaching them. Doing that would be you acting suspiciously.

  9. by Indy! on January 24, 2026 8:58 pm

    Thanks for the info, OD - very compelling. But I have to wonder about this paragraph...

    If they approach me and want to ask questions, etc. My hands immediately go up in the air. I tell the officer that I am carrying and exactly where it is on my body. I then get ready to be thrown to the ground. I NEVER violate any order by the officer. I'll tell him what I am doing to fulfill his demand. At this time, I am considered "detained" and he needs me to acknowledge that. As my weapon is being pulled out of the holster, I ask him gently not to throw it to the ground and tell him how I carry the pistol. This tells him that I am trying to keep them and others safe (and also I don't want to get dead). All the weapons I own are very specific to me as an individual. I show him respect. If he shows me respect, I'm good with that. If not, I'm the perp in this case. I assure the officer of the court that I will comply to everyone of their orders. I would never ask for my pistol back until I'm leaving the scene if they give me permission. Remember, I'm the detainee in this situation. I'm not stupid enough to fuck with that.


    If you have to go thru that every time you run across a policeman (or an ICEhole in TrumpWorld) - is it really worth it to carry a gun at all? I'm serious. I've been arrested a handful of times, pulled over for traffic violations probably close to 75-80 times and had on foot run ins at concerts or other places where cops like to harass people for fun and never once have I been thrown to the ground. I spit on a cop's badge one time and called him a "pig" and he didn't throw me to the ground. He beat me up in the holding cell the next day - but he didn't throw me to the ground when I totally disrespected him. So why carry a gun and make situations provocative?

    Also - question... you didn't elaborate on where you keep your gun in your house. Are you literally sitting on it all the time for easy access or do you suck on the barrel 24/7/365 like a little kid with his thumb? 🤔

  10. by oldedude on January 24, 2026 9:13 pm
    cornuda curt- I very much doubt that. If you are walking down a street sidewalk with your legal gun tucked away and you see an officer of the court (judges, attorneys, clerks, bailiffs, etc.) or in the case at a hand, a police officer, walking towards you, I am skeptical that you would turn tail to avoid approaching them. Doing that would be you acting suspiciously.

    Please read what I fucking said, asshole. Would I "turn tail and run" I didn't say that. Again, your hatred is so overbearing you're pitiful. You have no character. So according to MLKjr, you're a POS that is just a piece of "nothing" to me.

    You don't turn tail and run. That's fucking stupid, AND "your psychosis speaking." What you do is to just move on. And for you to really understand this. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IF I WAS CARRYING?? I thought I made that abundantly clear.

    All my posts have been about staying out of the limelight. You "ASSume" that I WANT TROUBLE. I'm saying that either 1. I walk upon a couple of "officers" doing a buy/bust. Got it. What's my FIRST REACTION? NOT TO INTERVENE! If I don't want problems, why the fuck would I do that? It's a dikead move. That's VERY different than "turning tail and running." I don't need to be involved, so I'm not.

    In your dikead's case. Asshole went into a demonstration/riot (depending on who you're talking to) where the officers of the court have shot people and killed them. You'd have to be a complete fucking moroon (thanks bugs!) not to understand the area is a high tension area. People have been killed, people have enticed LEAs to kill them. Stupid people have attacked the agents with weapons. (all of this is crap either side have reported, so regardless of what you want to say about me, I'm trying desperately trying to remain "neutral." and honestly, you're convincing me to just fucking kill everyone if they're like you (a complete asshole that has no redeeming social value).

    ANY RESPONSIBLE PERSON that carries any weapon (knife, pipe, cement sundae, switchblade, pistol, shotgun, AK, AR, M4, etc), is NOT responsible if they travel into that area. RESPONSIBLE people don't do that. I know that you're NOT a responsible person. That you would goad them into "arresting" you. You don't realize YOU are part of the problem. If you want to keep a tally of dead, that's fine. My bet is that you'll fucking lose the cage you're "mistress" put on you. Or maybe they'll keep it on in prison. That'll make it easier for your new "owner" to keep you.

  11. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 4:08 am

    Back to:

    "What will Second Amendment rights advocates say about ICE killing a fellow gun owner?"

    Because pb seeks truth, he's been searching for guns rights advocates' comments. So far, they're saying that if you are carrying, you obey law enforcement and YOU NEVER, EVER RESIST ARREST!!!!!

  12. by islander on January 25, 2026 4:42 am

    "ANY RESPONSIBLE PERSON that carries any weapon (knife, pipe, cement sundae, switchblade, pistol, shotgun, AK, AR, M4, etc), is NOT responsible if they travel into that area. RESPONSIBLE people don't do that. I know that you're NOT a responsible person"

    Like the MAGA hero Kyle Rittenhouse.

  13. by islander on January 25, 2026 4:57 am

    "Because pb seeks truth, he's been searching for guns rights advocates' comments. So far, they're saying that if you are carrying, you obey law enforcement and YOU NEVER, EVER RESIST ARREST!!!!!

    Alex Pretti wasn't being arrested. He was helping a woman that had been knocked to the ground when these criminal agents jumped him, took him to the ground and shot him. The American people saw exactly what happened, and we are fed up with it and fed up with this Republican administration put in office by people like you.

  14. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 5:43 am

    "Alex Pretti wasn't being arrested."

    HolyfreakinfrigginEFFINcow, bro!

    What do you think was going on when those armed public servants surrounded him and were wrestling with him!!!!!?

    If that's not being arrested, what verb would you use?

  15. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 5:49 am
    Isle- "ANY RESPONSIBLE PERSON that carries any weapon (knife, pipe, cement sundae, switchblade, pistol, shotgun, AK, AR, M4, etc), is NOT responsible if they travel into that area. RESPONSIBLE people don't do that. I know that you're NOT a responsible person"
    Isle, It should it should have read ...is NOT a responsible owner.
    You caught that, so it's on me completely. Responsible gun owners would not travel into that area. That would match with over a dozen of my other posts. and yes, if a person that is carrying goes into an area like that, it IS like Rittenhouse, and this guy. To have a gun in this volatile situation, are absolutely increasing the threat of the situation. Sorry about the misstatement.

    Alex Pretti wasn't being arrested. He was helping a woman that had been knocked to the ground when these criminal agents jumped him, took him to the ground and shot him. The American people saw exactly what happened, and we are fed up with it and fed up with this Republican administration put in office by people like you.
    pretty was detained at the time. Period. He had a gun, which like I said, adds to the volatility of the situation and the threat assessment. Any RESPONSIBLE gun owner would have never been there with a gun. That's just a simple FACT. "People like me" would have NOT had a gun in that circumstance. Please read the rest of the dozen posts and don't cherry-pick.

  16. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 6:10 am

    "pretty [sic] was detained at the time. Period."

    Bull$#!t!

    He was physically resisting the armed public servants. He didn't stop resisting until he was shot multiple times, and presumably, died.

  17. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 6:15 am

    No offense intended, OD.

    But Pretti was, at the very least, involved in the circumstances that resulted in his death. Based on the latest video, I'm suspicious that this shooting was "righteous." But, unlike po, nor meagain, I ain't no expert.

  18. by islander on January 25, 2026 6:17 am

    He wasn't being arrested, he was helping a woman get up who had been knocked to the ground by an ICE agent when he was attacked by those ICE agents, pepper sprayed, and taken to the ground, and shot multiple times 'after' an agent had removed the gun he was legally carrying. He never drew his gun or pointed it at anybody, or threatened anybody with it. Every bit of that has been recorded for us to clearly see, from start to finish.

  19. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 6:30 am
    Isle- That's what Lead and I said. Both of us. He was detained at the time.

  20. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 6:36 am

    "He wasn't being arrested, he was helping a woman get up who had been knocked to the ground by an ICE agent when he was attacked by those ICE agents, pepper sprayed, and taken to the ground, and shot multiple times 'after' an agent had removed the gun he was legally carrying."

    There's a smidge of truth in your observation and pb ain't PASSING JUDGMENT on anyone yet... UNLIKE you. Seeing the latest videos and hearing the audio, it seems to be that Pretti didn't stop resisting those public servants until he'd been shot multiple times.


    isle,

    Truth is subjectivity. All of us bring our own preferences and prejudices to every moment of our lives. You, much more so than many.

    And, depending on the content of one's "truth," one's truth can be a threat to others... Think Hitler. Your "truth," it seems to me, is dangerous nearing the Hitlerian level.

  21. by islander on January 25, 2026 6:44 am

    "And, depending on the content of one's "truth," one's truth can be a threat to others... Think Hitler. Your "truth," it seems to me, is dangerous nearing the Hitlerian level." ~Hate

    When you accuse others of that, it is a confession on your part of what you yourself are guilty of...

    What the American people have been witnessing, and clearly saw yesterday, is state sponsored terrorism which you and others liken you have made possible.

  22. by Donna on January 25, 2026 6:48 am

    Alex Pretti was executed for doing what Jesus Christ would have done.

  23. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 6:53 am

    What? Resisting orders from public servants!!!!!? Whatever happened to, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's...?"

  24. by Donna on January 25, 2026 7:02 am

    He was trying to protect a woman who was being manhandled by ICE agents. Yes, Jesus would have broken the law to protect her. He broke the law to save everyone who believed in Him - remember?


  25. by islander on January 25, 2026 7:19 am

    "What? Resisting orders from public servants!!!!!? Whatever happened to, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's...?"" ~ Hate

    Hitler would have been the first to say, "And I second that!"

  26. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 7:25 am

    NEW VIDEO PROVES THAT THE SHOOTING WAS LEGALLY JUSTIFIED!!!!!

    Have you noticed that BIPOC males despise "the Karen Intifada" and woke incels?

     View Video

  27. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 7:27 am

    "He was trying to protect a woman who was being manhandled by ICE agents. Yes, Jesus would have broken the law to protect her. He broke the law to save everyone who believed in Him - remember?"

    He broke the law? Do tell. You Lutherans are real wackos.

  28. by Donna on January 25, 2026 7:29 am

    I don't argue with people who support evildoers ^





  29. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 7:40 am

    Especially when you know that you are BUSTED!!!!!

  30. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 7:47 am

    Hitler would have been the first to say, "And I second that!"

    As would those South Carolina slave owners and bigots who attacked Ft Sumpter and began the Civil War, resulting in the deaths of 700,000-ish Americans.

  31. by islander on January 25, 2026 8:51 am

    What we're witnessing pure and simple is state sponsored terrorism. Both Hate and Od know this no matter how hard they try to justify it. We have a right and a duty to resist it. What the American people have to decide is how best to do this without resorting to violence, and so far we have been doing a remarkable job.This authoritarian administration is hoping to incite violence in order to enact the insurrection act. If Trump does that he might be able to delay or cancel the midterm elections, which by the way, the Republicans know they can no longer win. If he tries to do that then he will be responsible for starting the violence that will follow. This is where we are at this moment. Trump is following the path that can lead to civil war.

  32. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 8:53 am
    donna- Yes, Jesus would have broken the law to protect her. He broke the law to save everyone who believed in Him - remember?
    And it's pretty doubtful Christ would have been packing a pistol, which led to him being detained.

  33. by islander on January 25, 2026 9:34 am

    He was not being detained...He was attacked from the back while trying to help a woman who'd been knocked to the ground. He was taken to the ground and shot multiple times by Trumps gestapo Ice agents. We all saw this from start to finish.

  34. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 9:44 am

    isle,

    So I guess you just ignored the video: "NEW VIDEO PROVES THAT THE SHOOTING WAS LEGALLY JUSTIFIED!!!!!"

    How like you. And, you, a man of reason and logic and science... NOT! baha

  35. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 9:47 am

    "Both Hate and Od know this no matter how hard they try to justify it."


    You forget. pb's stoopid. He don't UNDERSTAND, baha

    Because I am slow, I don't rush to JUDGMENT! Oh, how I wish I were smart enuff to be woke!

  36. by Donna on January 25, 2026 10:13 am

    olde dude: Right, because Jesus allowed himself to be sacrificed. However, after the Last Supper, Jesus told one of his disciples to arm himself with a sword, which that disciple later used to slice off the ear of a Roman centurian.



  37. by Indy! on January 25, 2026 10:17 am

    If you wonder why Brown Shorts is so ill-informed on EVERYTHING - simply look at that video he posted and understand that is the level of "journalism" he respects and uses as his guidelines to find his (subjective) "truth" in all things.

  38. by Indy! on January 25, 2026 10:18 am

    Oh - and Odorous? Please answer the question. Be a man for ONCE in your life.

  39. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 10:23 am

    From AI:

    "... according to Luke 22:36, Jesus told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords just before his arrest. This was not for violent insurrection, but to fulfill the prophecy that he would be numbered with the transgressors (Isaiah 53:12), appearing as a criminal to authorities. When presented with two swords, he said, "It is enough," indicating they were not for actual combat."

    Donna?????

    The entire import of the Christian message is that Jesus was the perfect, spotless, Passover lamb who paid the price for human sin, once for all. You may not believe in that. But. You're not so stoopid not to understand it.

  40. by Donna on January 25, 2026 10:26 am

    They shot Alex Pretti at least 10 times AFTER an ICE officer removed his gun from him which he was legally permitted to carry, in other words when he was no danger to them. It was a public execution.

    I was under imlression that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys supported the 2nd Amendment and were organized to protect us from a tyrannical government. So where the fuck are they now? I'll tell you where: they're part of the tyranny they pretended to oppose.







  41. by Donna on January 25, 2026 10:38 am

    Hts - That's one interpretation.

    I don't own a gun, but I carry pepper spray and a stun gun for defensive purposes. If I were in Alex's position, out of conscience I too may have interceded on behalf of the woman they were brutalizing, and they likely would have executed me too.

    There will be more martyrs.


  42. by islander on January 25, 2026 10:42 am

    I didn't ignore the video, but that video didn't show anything. We now have much better and clearer videos from different angles. We can clearly see that the agent removed the gun from the victim's waist band and had it in his hand and was walking away as the shooters started firing into the victim on the ground.
    View Video

  43. by Donna on January 25, 2026 10:49 am

    Yes, that's undeniably what happened, islander.



  44. by islander on January 25, 2026 10:54 am

    Here is another video that clearly shows the agent walking away with the gun in his hand which you can clearly see, and you can hear the shooters "then" begin to shoot the victim, first you hear one shot, and then multiple shots (9).
    View Video

  45. by Indy! on January 25, 2026 10:58 am

    I was under imlression that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys supported the 2nd Amendment and were organized to protect us from a tyrannical government. So where the fuck are they now? I'll tell you where: they're part of the tyranny they pretended to oppose.


    So true. Of course the Proud Boys are just the new version of the Klan. And the Oath Keepers - as I've been saying since I first heard of them - are the biggest joke ever. Bunch of cops and other law enforcement goons (allegedly) keeping WHAT "oath"? Certainly not the oath they took on their jobs. If they are willing to drop THAT oath to fight whatever other battles they think are righteous - then certainly we can't expect them to keep any other oaths either.

  46. by islander on January 25, 2026 11:51 am

    Donna, the witness statements and the videos are in agreement, and they both contradict the version the government is trying to sell us.

    Kristi Noem lies right to our faces. It's reached the point that when we hear that there is going to be a full investigation of this murder, the first question that comes to mind is who is going to head this investigation? The same people who are lying to us?

  47. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 11:59 am
    donna- They shot Alex Pretti at least 10 times AFTER an ICE officer removed his gun from him which he was legally permitted to carry, in other words when he was no danger to them. It was a public execution.

    citation? If true, several agents considered him a severe threat. He had the means, motive, and opportunity to kill either 30 some agents or miss and hit the crowd. So who's to blame if he kills a few protesters? Are you going to blame agents for that also? This morning it was 2 (count'em) TWO shots. I'm just wondering why now that number went up five fold, and who is putting that out.

  48. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 12:17 pm

    isle,

    Apparently, you're pretending away the video that proves the shooting was "legally justified."

    isle,

    Are you of them woke who still can't see that St Renee hit the ICE agent with her weaponized car even though he sustained internal injuries?
     View Video

  49. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 12:26 pm

    OD can't defend the shooting, so he pivots to ...

    "Alex was stupid for bringing a gun into that situation"

    and

    "He could have been planning to commit a mass shooting."

    .
    .

    Disgusting.

  50. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 12:28 pm
    That's the biggest thing here. Rittenhouse was in the same position. He only got away by a fluke in the state law that he proved. He should have gotten the Darwin award also. I really wish cornudo curt had access to his "non existant" son so he could ask him what happens when a gun is all of a sudden "found" on one of the perps at a crime scene. Again, I hope is doesn't happen to him, but all the scenarios lead to one thing when people are attacking you, and all of a sudden, some asshole has a gun. The only reason I'm not doing the same empathy I did with Renee, is; 1. I'm still not convinced she knew of the issues. This asshole threw the agents into overdrive. He actually may be too stupid for the Darwin award. It may have been his reptilian brain.

  51. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 12:30 pm

    Navy, You think that was smart?

    On Fox they're guessing that Pretti was committing suicide by cop. And, that fits the facts.

  52. by Indy! on January 25, 2026 12:37 pm

    Good lord, Brown Shorts - you've done it again. Anytime I think you can't POSSIBLY get any dumber - you prove me wrong.

  53. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 12:41 pm

    Indy,

    That Fox News reference was just for you, baha. Keehee ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh!

  54. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 12:43 pm

    "Navy, You think that was smart?"

    And now Idiot has joined in on the pivot as well. Neither he nor OD want to talk about the actual topic, so they deflect.

    Disgusting.

  55. by Indy! on January 25, 2026 12:50 pm

    Sure, Brown Shorts. And you also (snicker) "re-upped" in the Democratic Party. 😂

  56. by islander on January 25, 2026 12:56 pm

    Hate,

    Go to 3:00 of this video to see the gun in the agents hand. The shooting began "after" this agent had the victims gun. And you'll see why the video you linked us to was bogus.
    View Video

  57. by islander on January 25, 2026 1:11 pm

    Stop the video above at the 3:00 minute mark and enlarge the frame to see the gun even more clearly. That is the same agent we can see pulling the gun from the back of the victim's waist band in other videos.

    The victim was never a threat to anyone and contrary to the official story he never brandished his gun or attacked the agents. The agents attacked the victim, the "struggle" was simply the victim try to protect himself from the attackers who attacked him from his back.

  58. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 1:21 pm

    isle,

    That's why the video is so long. The guy splains that.

    But, the compelling macro truth is that BIPOC males now despise your progressivism that has become subservient to transies, the Karen Intifada and woke incels.

  59. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 1:24 pm

    ^^ Idiot won't talk about the actual issue. Again. He wants to talk about "macro truths" lol

  60. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 1:28 pm

    Navy,

    My position on the "issue" is that I ain't po. I'm not a former Supreme Court clerk nor an Ivy League law school prof. I dunno what to think. My mind, and my heart, are wide open.

  61. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 1:46 pm

    Oh yes, you conveniently don't know what to think about the Trump goons gunning down citizens that clearly aren't a threat to them.

    🤣🤣🤣

    Oh, poor Idiot, he just DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!! Whatever is a Fox-slurping bumpkin to DO in such a confusing situation?

    You know what to think, HtS, you just don't have the nuts to say it.

    So instead of "think," how about you "do"?

    DO shut up.

    DO stay holed up in your rickety cabin with your sister-wife.

    DO stay home on election day.

    ______________________

    Cue Idiot's response with "home of diversity and inclusion" and "bahaha"

  62. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 2:00 pm

    Navy,

    I ain't po. I do rely on my Legal Goobers. My Legal Goober #2 said, today, that the public servants involved in the incident behaved appropriately. But, I understand. He ain't you.

    As for me, as The ONE used to say, it's above my pay grade. I ain't you, either.

  63. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 2:03 pm

    Pipe down, Idiot.

  64. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 2:29 pm

    Yikes, dude. I thought you were into the inalienable rights given to us all by our Creator, one being free speech. Guess you are only for the guns. baha

  65. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 2:32 pm
    isle- Stop the video above at the 3:00 minute mark and enlarge the frame to see the gun even more clearly. That is the same agent we can see pulling the gun from the back of the victim's waist band in other videos...The victim was never a threat to anyone and contrary to the official story he never brandished his gun or attacked the agents. The agents attacked the victim, the "struggle" was simply the victim try to protect himself from the attackers who attacked him from his back.

    So you're saying that a person that specifically brings a gun to escalate the already dangerous mood for everyone. It turns out that his wife wasn't "surprised" that he would shoot at the agents, and that his dad warned him not to do anything stupid." Got it. And by concha's "evaluation" he is nothing but a 2nd Amendment crybaby that whines about how they need their penises guns to protect themselves against a repressive government turning on the American public. I've been saying the entire time pretty who need the accompaniment of a weapon to head over to McDonald's for one of their nasty burgers obviously do not have the gonads to show their faces when it's time for the real fight.

    and myce noted that pretty was nothing more that a Second Amendment fetishist are just a breed of Orwellian battle sheep and he is an unwitting supporters of organized crime.

    So this guy brings a gun. In the seconds before the shooting, all the agents know is that asshole has a gun and they are rightfully scared of said asshole discharging the weapon. Even if asshole has control of the pistol, the probability of hitting another protester is better than hitting an agent.

    Obviously, the agents didn't know that his ex would hand him up as a potential ICE shooter. All they saw was the gun. I love how people all of a sudden "know" what's going through the minds of the agents or police during a situation like this. What is known is the penis came out of asshole's waistband. Then said asshole had a phone in his hand as he was fighting against the agents. I honestly doubt if any of the libs on this site could tell the difference between seeing a flash of black was a gun or a phone. Right now, it doesn't matter if it's a "legal" gun or not. What is known is said asshole that is fighting other agents, resisting arrest (it legally went from detention to arresting when and he was resisting. The definition is in the amount of freedom you have.

    I said this a few times. Only a true moron would bring his penis to a demonstration like this. UNLESS he was planning to shoot. Maybe he "thought" he'd "defend himself." Which means he was going to die. Or maybe he was going to take out some agents. We don't know that. All of those are possibilities.


  66. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 2:41 pm

    Idiot,

    "I thought you were into ... free speech."

    Selectsmart cannot trample your free speech rights.

    Selectsmart is not the federal government.

    You confuse the two because you are an idiot.

    Your posts are like the clanging of pots and pans.

    Now shush.

  67. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 2:44 pm
    poser.

  68. by Navy2711 on January 25, 2026 2:55 pm

    Oh, and by the way, a final note to Idiot and OD:

    This comes straight from your girl Marjorie Taylor Green. She says ...

    "Imaging if one of our MAGA independent journalists or even just a MAGA supporter stood in the street outside a J6’ers house while Biden’s FBI carried out a law enforcement operation, home invasion, and arrest. Then Biden’s FBI goes to the MAGA guy videoing it all and shoves a woman with him to the ground and sprays them with bear spray then throws the MAGA guy to the ground as MAGA guy was trying to help the woman off the ground. Then Biden’s FBI beats MAGA guy on the ground, disarms MAGA guy, and then shoots him dead."

    If THAT'S the way it had gone down, you would know EXACTLY what to think, you soulless twats.

  69. by oldedude on January 25, 2026 3:03 pm
    concha- If you have to go thru that every time you run across a policeman (or an ICEhole in TrumpWorld) - is it really worth it to carry a gun at all? I'm serious. I've been arrested a handful of times, pulled over for traffic violations probably close to 75-80 times and had on foot run ins at concerts or other places where cops like to harass people for fun and never once have I been thrown to the ground. I spit on a cop's badge one time and called him a "pig" and he didn't throw me to the ground. He beat me up in the holding cell the next day - but he didn't throw me to the ground when I totally disrespected him. So why carry a gun and make situations provocative?

    So first of the completely asinine question. How many times have I had a Terry stop? Not one in about 5 decades. I haven't been arrested. My last traffic ticket was 1994. You didn't have a gun if you weren't searched. I don't. What I know is how to act. I'm not a dikead like you are. I try to do the right thing so they can get off shift and go back to their families. It also helps me do the same. You don't have anyone (that isn't a silicon doll) waiting for you at home. You're the perfect incel.

  70. by islander on January 25, 2026 3:30 pm

    Hate,
    So now you saw that the agent removed the victim's gun and started to walk away and then you know the shooter/s shot and killed the victim. And the official story from the government's spokespeople is nothing but lies.

    And then you try to deflect with this, "But, the compelling macro truth is that BIPOC males now despise your progressivism that has become subservient to transies, the Karen Intifada and woke incels."

    I couldn't care less about your nonsense.

  71. by islander on January 25, 2026 3:55 pm

    So you're saying that a person that specifically brings a gun to escalate the already dangerous mood for everyone ~ Od

    Nope, That's something rather stupid that you said, not me.

    So this guy brings a gun. In the seconds before the shooting, all the agents know is that asshole has a gun and they are rightfully scared of said asshole discharging the weapon.

    Nope, That's not all the agents knew. They saw the other agent remove the gun from the victim's waistband. The shooter was right there looking at him do that. So the shooter knew he didn't have to be scared anymore, since there were 5 or 6 guys controlling the victim, but the shooter killed the victim anyway. We saw the whole thing go down and the victim NEVER threatened the agents. Instead, they attacked him and killed him. And like I said, we all saw that so you can't spin it any other way.

  72. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 4:05 pm

    isle,

    I told you. The video shows that at 3:00. The rest of the video is about how the shooting is "legally justified." If you disgree, take it up with the BIPOC male who uploaded the video. Apparently, the preferences and prejudices that he brings with him to every moment of his life are at odds with yours...

    ... but my Legal Goober #2 agrees with him.

  73. by HatetheSwamp on January 25, 2026 4:19 pm

    isle,

    From pb's Legal Goober #2:

    "Minneapolis Brian O'Hara just inadvertently described a true mobocracy: “even if there is an investigation that ultimately proves that at the time of the shooting it was legally justified, I don’t think that even matters at this point, because there just- there is so much outrage and concern around what is happening in the city.”

    You, it seems, are at one with the mobocracy.

  74. by islander on January 25, 2026 5:28 pm

    Hate,
    You saw what happened, therefore you can't pretend you didn't or that you don't know what happened. I saw it too, but unlike you, I don't need to have your "Legal Goober" try to tell me that man was not murdered, rather what the killer/s did was a legally executed killing. I know the difference, but you don't seem to.

    Keep this in mind...If you don't know logical fallacy of 'the argument from authority' here it is:

    Definition: This fallacy occurs when an argument relies on the opinion of an authority figure instead of evidence.

    I presented you with the evidence.

  75. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 4:54 am
    isle, First of all, you don't have a concept of anything "legal." That's been shown over and over again. Weren't you the one that told me that getting information from the prime source was "stupid?" Your "opinion" has no standing in anything. Your "opinion" is worth far less than anything on this site. It's filled with hatred and spite, which is contrary to how the law works, which is supposed to be unbendable, which is what the libturds were chanting during the trumpster witch hunt when you supported the LAWFARE pedojoe and it's DOJ was illegally using. Now that shit has turned around, you still refuse to believe that lying to the courts is not bad as long as it's against trumpster, but "horrible" for anyone else.

  76. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 4:58 am
    concha- Queen Odiot supports cop killers

    You've NEVER been able to prove that. SO QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING

  77. by islander on January 26, 2026 5:12 am

    Od wrote: Weren't you the one that told me that getting information from the prime source was "stupid?"

    Nope! Never said anything remotely like that.

    You argue like a child throwing a temper tantrum, Od. Try to control yourself and at least stop telling people what they think. You don't know how foolish you sound.

  78. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 3:20 pm
    It seems to me you're the petulant child. I just asked a simple question. I get you and farsante mixed up alot.

  79. by myce on January 26, 2026 7:19 pm

    Pretti carried a gun, from HatetheSwamp #39, not for violent insurrection, but to fulfill the prophecy that he would be numbered with the transgressors (Isaiah 53:12), appearing as a criminal to authorities.

    I don't know about Pretti's religious preferences but it seems to me that he unwittingly sacrificed himself as a disciple of Christ.

  80. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 7:51 pm
    cornuda isle. Here's what you don't fucking realise. The second that your hero, and someone I consider that is NOT a responsible gun owner (more on concha's bullshit in a minute). This asshole gave up his "permit" the second he resisted arrest. All of the stupid rights "you" gave him? Gone. As much as you hate this, here are the facts. The second they were taking him down, legally he was under detention (yeahhhhhhh welcome to the law. Life's a bitch, eh?) The Second he resisted, which is a felony, that means he's "arrested" I've cited this maybe... I guess a dozen times? Maybe you ought to read my posts. It's interesting, because even the libturd news rags say he was "resisting arrest." Just so you know... that's a "hint". Words have meaning. So now you can stand there with your little peepee wishing you could actually use your hand to grab it... Everything else you've said? Yeah, there as immaterial as the size of you peepee. But it's big enough for concha, so there's that...

  81. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 8:15 pm
    I'm just going to put the "facts" and law into this for the new fucking "heroine" of the left libturds.
    I don't know about Pretty's religious preferences but it seems to me that he unwittingly sacrificed himself as a disciple of Christ.
    I don't pretend that I speak for anyone. especially in the realm of their religious beliefs. And I'm going to follow your apparently "GOD inspired" personally revelations given to you as you are actually "learning" the words of Christ. Having studied for several years, I find your "history" full of bullshit and self envy. I see him as a child of satan. someone that believes in the druids, and the witches that were a part of them. If you can't distinguish the difference, then you need to study the differences.

    It's complete disregard for the laws, and him being one of "those" people that you, po, isle, farcante, and curnudo curt have talked shit about those holding CCPs is especially why those laws exist for your fucktard.

    donna...He was trying to protect a woman who was being manhandled by ICE agents. Yes, Jesus would have broken the law to protect her. He broke the law to save everyone who believed in Him - remember?
    The issue is that he was doing so illegally. Here's where I'll support you. If he didn't have THE GUN, he was good to go. No issue. THE GUN IS THE ISSUE.

  82. by oldedude on January 26, 2026 8:27 pm
    myce- just a suggestion without any other motive. read the book of job. That's a wonderful book of challenges.

  83. by Indy! on January 26, 2026 8:55 pm

    So first of the completely asinine question. How many times have I had a Terry stop? Not one in about 5 decades. I haven't been arrested. My last traffic ticket was 1994. You didn't have a gun if you weren't searched. I don't. What I know is how to act. I'm not a dikead like you are. I try to do the right thing so they can get off shift and go back to their families. It also helps me do the same. You don't have anyone (that isn't a silicon doll) waiting for you at home. You're the perfect incel.


    Try to answer the actual question, Queenie. We all know you've never been arrested because you're too big of a pussy to ever step out of line or stand up for yourself when a cop pushes you at a concert for no reason or stops you at 2 am for going 5mph over the speed limit because they need to fill their ticket quota. No you're right on the ground telling Officer Piglet where to find your gun so he can use it to shoot you in the head like the ICEholes did to Renee Good if he wants. You are a follower in life - not a leader. You do not speak up for yourself or others - you stand down. That is your nature. You would never enter into any situation where you might have to pay a price without 100 of your military buddies and their guns in front, back and all sides of you so you're safe and sound like when you hid under mommy's skirts your entire childhood. UNDER... STOOD. We KNOW who you are.

    Now try answering the question.

  84. by oldedude on January 27, 2026 11:49 am
    Actually, unlike you being a coward except on social media where you can still lie your ass off. There were a plethora of reasons I didn't spit on cops, or try to assault them. The first is that my parents were great at raising their kids. They taught us to respect others, except those like yourself with no moral value, empathy, or respect even for themselves. We were taught to respect our elders, respect others that work hard for not a lot of money but they kept their families fed.

    Secondly, from the time I was 18, I had a TS/SCI clearance. Any drug use (yes, even weed) or a DUI would have a disastrous affect on my career. So I worked hard at keeping that to get places where I wanted to go. That way, when I retired from the military, I was hired by FinCEN which I also retired from. Had I gone to any of the "demonstrations" that were all over the district at the time, I would have lost my clearance. Keeping that, gave me two retirements, and medical insurance for the rest of my life, while you are living off of the government as a welfare bitch.

    I also understand that I made very careful decisions in my life, and consider myself very blessed now, and always remember to be thankful. We have money and time to spend on the grand babies, and they're doing better because of it.

  85. by Indy! on January 27, 2026 12:27 pm

    Sounds boring as fuck and it had to be the absolute longest way anyone has ever admitted to be a total fucking pussy that I have ever read in my life. You never stood up for yourself (or anyone else) unless there was a paycheck involved. You don't question authority not because it's the "right thing to do" which - btw - was the German command's response at Nuremberg (Google it) - it's because you don't have the gonads required to question authority... to stand up when something like Minnesota is going down. You admitted straight up you think everyone should just obey "government" even when they aren't following the Constitution. Face it, OD - you don't believe in anything. All you do is what you are told to do. Because (despite what your t-shirt says) the reality is you are not an "alpha" - you are a snowflake.

  86. by Indy! on January 27, 2026 12:31 pm

    Keeping that, gave me two retirements, and medical insurance for the rest of my life, while you are living off of the government as a welfare bitch.

    Sounds like you're the welfare queen - not me. I built my own company from the ground up and lived off my own hard work. That also requires the balls you don't have - to know when companies are trying to take advantage and underpay you and then tell them you're leaving to go it alone. You're the one living off government checks - not me.

  87. by myce on January 27, 2026 12:45 pm
    Oldedude, "I see him as a child of satan. someone that believes in the druids, and the witches that were a part of them."

    This is what you say about a man who was murdered while trying to assist a woman who'd been assaulted by criminals. Meanwhile, you daydream about not assisting women who are attacked by criminals, weirdo.

  88. by Indy! on January 27, 2026 3:29 pm

    He said straight up he would just stand by and watch a woman be killed rather than step in and try to stop it. He laughingly tries to convince us he's an alpha male - even wears t-shirts claiming he's alpha 😂 when he's the biggest government tool out there.

  89. by oldedude on January 27, 2026 5:50 pm
    This is what you say about a man who was murdered while trying to assist a woman who'd been assaulted by criminals. Meanwhile, you daydream about not assisting women who are attacked by criminals, weirdo.

    So you'd go to prison for the rest of your life? That's the option in libturd states.

    You're still missing the one piece that you keep avoiding because concha can do that so easily with you other libtards. Nothing would have happened to your asshole had he not brought the gun to the party. It's that simple. He facilitated his own death. And it's looking like it was a more premeditated act than it was the day of. That's why I keep calling him an asshole in this case.

    If he didn't have the gun, I'd be very different about how I looked at this. But that's not the case. concha's correct, this guy was finally given a penis. He was one of "those guys" that shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Unfortunately there's nothing really to do about it.


  90. by myce on January 27, 2026 7:25 pm

    Oldedude "You're still missing the one piece that you keep avoiding because concha can do that so easily with you other libtards. Nothing would have happened to your asshole had he not brought the gun to the party. It's that simple. He facilitated his own death. And it's looking like it was a more premeditated act than it was the day of. That's why I keep calling him an asshole in this case."

    A news source said ICE had just broken his rib a week before. Maybe he knew what he was doing.

    Luke25:36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors

    Mathew 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

    And speaking of penis guns, I would not want to disrespect an honorary veteran with crude gutter talk, but here is a picture of the Washington Monument.







  91. by Indy! on January 27, 2026 8:25 pm

    OD is the guy supporting MAGAts carrying their weapons to the Capital on J6, and OD whines on incessantly about all the different guns he carries around all the time... but if you're progressive? Oh no - he shouldn't have been carrying! This is the problem with allowing yourself to be brainwashed by the military and/or Fox - you can't keep your story straight because you have no moral code or personal beliefs. You're just mimicking whatever daddy Trump, Barbie Noem or Stephen Miller tell you to say.

  92. by oldedude on January 27, 2026 8:52 pm
    First of all, I didn't support assholes carrying their weapons on J6, that was as big of an asshole move as you "hero." This is never based on political belief. A Responsible gun owner, never picks a fight. Like I've said, someone's banging on my door? I make sure they have ample time to retreat. The FL law doesn't demand that, but it's not my desire to kill someone. AND you've never been able to bring any truth to that statement. Again. it's the difference between "responsible" carry, and irresponsible carry. I know you'll never get it, because you can't understand the difference between a responsible citizen, and an irresponsible piece of shit that spits on officers and is just generally a royal asshole who loves the times he's been "arrested." My guess is that your penis actually gets excited in prison, which is different between you and me.

    It's interesting that you believe me to be "brainwashed" when you're living off the dole, and I have two retirements (well three with my workers comp). AND with every claim, I have to prove it. And different than your welfare mentality, I don't lie about my injuries. All of my money is to the standards of everyone else. And one other thing you little coward, you've never been shot at, right? mmmmm... (of course you'll have a full fledged LIE about it, but I'm not buying one piece of your bullshit). Who elected to be shot at to save people while they were shot up bombed, or had RPG rounds take out both of their legs, sometimes dying, different nationalities, different races, different religions. and you just go from one to another, to save them. And you try not to die in the process. Because then you don't get to save anymore. The time I was doing that, you were in the fetal position under your "mistress" hoping to get her milk from her last gangbang. I won't ever talk about your mom or dad anymore. I really believe you are their biggest disappointment in their lives. I truly feel sorry for them.

  93. by oldedude on January 27, 2026 9:01 pm
    Lead re; #11. THERE IS NOTHING TRUER THAN THAT! The second rule is that you say outloud what you are doing to comply with the cop. If the cop is full of it's badge, You got it in court. I don't like to do it, but if you are beating me while I'm trying to comply, it's a whole new game. This is very much like "RESPONSIBLE CARRY" vs IRRESPONSIBLE CARRY.

    So good point, I've had a lot of medical recently, and into the next couple of weeks.

  94. by oldedude on January 27, 2026 9:13 pm
    myce- I haven't even started yet. "Gutter talk?" nah, this is general adult talk, which I'm actually speaking with my wife's family (conservative Christian). My son's and I are very direct. One's been shot twice and blown up three times. The other just keeps getting blown up. I keep telling them "You have to be FASTER than the speeding bullet!" That and "DID YOU DIE" are jokes with us. Did you die, means don't be a whiny little bitch. The question is; DID YOU DIE?" if not quit being a little bitch. Is so, we'll talk sooner than later. Wait for me brother (or sister). We protect each other the same according to MLKJR. These people have character. Obviously, something that is seriously lacking here as I have said.

  95. by HatetheSwamp on January 28, 2026 5:50 am

    "I've had a lot of medical recently, and into the next couple of weeks."

    Take care.

  96. by oldedude on January 28, 2026 5:59 am
    Thanks man. Be well okay? I'm getting cut on the fifth. talk to you on the exfil.

  97. by HatetheSwamp on January 28, 2026 6:28 am

    Cut for what? We'll pray.

  98. by Ponderer on January 28, 2026 7:42 am

    "Did you die, means don't be a whiny little bitch." -olde dude

    Actually, what MAGA Hats mean by that phrase is that you should shut up and be content with any horrible treatment or denial of rights you get from our government that doesn't literally kill you. It means that this government should be allowed to get away with doing whatever it wants to you, and you should be happy about it, so long as they don't kill you.


    Oops! I guess they don't even mean it that way...

  99. by Ponderer on January 28, 2026 7:43 am

    "Cut for what? We'll pray." -pedophile's bitch

    No need. It's just something he likes to do occasionally to "feel alive".

  100. by HatetheSwamp on January 28, 2026 8:23 am

    po,

    Did you notice, in the videos, the two women who were part of the encounter with the public servants, are fat...

    ... probably ugly... probably not gettin any...

    Probably Karen Intifada baha

  101. by Indy! on January 28, 2026 8:48 am

    So - again - the first time I asked OD about his military experience, he said straight up that he had never seen any action. But now he's claiming he was saving people of every color with their legs blown while he was desperately trying to stay alive in battle. So which one is it, OD? Because one way or the other (and I honestly couldn't care less which one it is) - you are the one lying, not me.

    Which again - means you keep the title of Official Board Liar.

    And if you want to talk about which is more honorable - spitting on a cop's badge when he got out of line with me or you (allegedly) helping people of other colors because you were PAID to do so in a war of choice the oligarchs duped you into fighting for them at minimum wage rates? Let's go, "alpha" boy.

  102. by oldedude on January 30, 2026 5:37 pm
    Lead- For what?

    Sorry a lot of moving parts going on here. I blew my shoulder out, so before the other two tendons separate, they want me in. In ~3 months? first foot surgery, 3 months after 2nd foot surgery, 6 months after that, back surgery. Lots of docs and surgeries this year. Happy b-day to me!

  103. by Curt_Anderson on January 30, 2026 5:40 pm
    OD,
    Bummer about all those surgeries which you will be enduring.

  104. by oldedude on January 30, 2026 7:45 pm
    first, how many times have you lied about me, in the dozens, asshole.

    So how many times have you been shot at asshole?

    And yes, I was a pararescue specialist. And yes, I did tell you the other story, because innately, I didn't trust anything you say. And I was very right to do that. Again, I'm sorry I brought your actual mom and dad into this. They ought to be canonized for raising a piece of shit like you. My guess is that your whole family hates you, which I understand fully.

    And here's what I do know about you. You're a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies. You cover for your lack of character and complete lack of self-esteem by making yourself feel better by demeaning others. That's why you can't find any woman for more than a desperate (on their end) one nighters. Once they understand who you really are they changed their phone number and moved. You have no redeemable value in any society. You're a complete failure and everything you've done in your life, and have learned nothing from your failures. You can't understand why nobody likes you, and then you need that shot of self acceptance, so you mock them down in public, which you say you were "just kidding." Except, yet again you just filled that hole you have in your ego and you'll do it again and again.

    It's interesting that you have to have po to come to your aid.

  105. by Navy2711 on January 30, 2026 11:31 pm

    Well, I think we have our answer to the original question, "What will Second Amendment rights advocates say about ICE killing a fellow gun owner?" They'll say, "He shouldn't have had a gun."

    Absolutely incredible.

    Years after year after year ... decade after decade ... these folks defended the right to carry. And the VERY FIRST MOMENT that they're forced to choose between their "value" of gun rights and their loyalty to their king, they choose their king.

    MAGA is morally hollow. They're "values" change with the situation, which means they have no values at all.

  106. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2026 4:47 am

    "Well, I think we have our answer to the original question, "What will Second Amendment rights advocates say about ICE killing a fellow gun owner?" They'll say, "He shouldn't have had a gun.""


    I'm still uncertain. Are you a liar or a moron? Or, is it merely your subjectivity.

    All the MAGAs I've seen on Fox and among the New Media, strongly defend St Alex, the Minnesota Martyr for toting his gun. What they say, though, is that, if you are carrying... for the safety of yourself and others... you have to take care to be extraordinarily compliant to the orders given to you by law enforcement..

    In the right-wing media, there's a theory that the Minnesota Martyr committed suicide by cop. Based on his actions in both videos, I think it may have very been suicide by cop,... orchestrated suicide... for the good of the cause.

  107. by Navy2711 on January 31, 2026 5:30 am

    Idiot apparently didn't see anyone in the Trump admin, including Trump, say that you can't have a gun at a protest, and more recently, "You can't walk with guns."

    Is he an idiot or is he an idiot?

    He is an idiot.

  108. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2026 5:36 am

    Navy,

    When has pb ever defended a Trump rant?

    Bro, the GOP is the home of openness and inclusion, acceptance, tolerance, diversity and freethinking. We ain't yinz. We don't lockstep.

    If you had a heart, you'd envy that and put them SwampDems behind you.

  109. by Navy2711 on January 31, 2026 5:47 am

    He also didn't notice that Alex was separated from his gun by about five to ten feet when he was blasted in the back by two agents.

  110. by Ponderer on January 31, 2026 7:16 am

    Navy, doesn't pedophile's bitch make an appealing case to join his party? His party, the party with "heart"? As he makes fun of and denigrates people his political party have murdered in the streets and then snidely calling them "St Renee" and "St Alex" with a mocking sneer...? His political party that shoots American citizens in the streets and then sociopathically laughs about it...?

    His political party with all the "heart" that is currently destroying hard working families by tearing them apart...?

    The party that's psychologically injuring children for the rest of their lives...?

    The party that is holding families in concentration camps and subjecting them to horrific treatment that the Hague might even well be interested in...?


    ¡Gracias por tener tanto corazón!

  111. by oldedude on January 31, 2026 7:26 am
    Idiot apparently didn't see anyone in the Trump admin, including Trump, say that you can't have a gun at a protest, and more recently, "You can't walk with guns."

    That's pretty funny that you have to be taught common sense. Apparently you don't have any. I'll bet you had to have someone tell you NOT to walk across a major interstate, right? or drink hydrochloric acid (oops glad I caught you in time),, wellll maybe not. Thank God you don't own a gun. Or if you do, please don't be as stupid as pretty.

  112. by Ponderer on January 31, 2026 7:49 am

    Navy, you gotta understand something...

    The only approved weapons that this regime allows you to carry in a peaceful demonstration or non-violent march are:

    • Bear mace
    • Tasers
    • Guns
    • Knives
    • Confiscated police batons
    • Guns
    • Fire extinguishers
    • Guns
    • Pepper spray
    • Baseball bats
    • American flags on pointed metal poles
    • Guns
    • ...


  113. by Ponderer on January 31, 2026 7:51 am

    If a person limits themselves to only carrying any of those weapons to a protest and even uses them against police officers, the president will just pardon them if they are arrested for anything.

  114. by Navy2711 on January 31, 2026 8:06 am

    Exactly. It's not the presence of the weapon, or the variety of the weapon. It's not the weapon at all. It's the color of the jersey. It's the loyalty. It's the boot-licking fidelity to your orange lord. Do you have THAT? Yes? Then you can have any weapon you want. You can break in anywhere you want. You can commit any crime you want.

    Just Lick. The. Boot.

  115. by Ponderer on January 31, 2026 8:13 am

    Exactly, Navy. Because we are living in a Fascist Regime.

  116. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2026 8:21 am

    po,

    You supported "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" until he bragged that he finally beat Medicare. Then you goose stepped with the Dem smoke-filled room's conspiracy to foist the Dingbat on voters.

    This is all your fault!

  117. by myce on January 31, 2026 8:44 am

    That's just like your shitty parents telling you that it was your fault when they neglected your emotional needs and beat your brains out to remove your free will. That's why authoritarians have trouble understanding the consequences of your actions and your brain turned into swiss cheese from the constant punishment that impairs your ability to understand anything. You have the choice to not be Stoopid.

  118. by oldedude on January 31, 2026 8:45 am
    po and poser-

    Had he anything but a gun, I doubt he would have been shot. Period. I'm saying that he and cornuda are in the same league. The only thing I've been saying this entire time is that he made a stupid move. I don't hate your saint, a baseball bat, stick, hockey stick, etc is not near the threat as a gun is. So to him, "you chose poorly."

    curt asked a question, and I provided my answer to that. curt (et.al.) didn't get the answer y'all wanted. Sorry if you've got you both have your panties in a wad over this.

  119. by Ponderer on January 31, 2026 8:46 am

    Oh my yes. If only we had organized and set up all the logistics of a national primary out of the blue three months before the election and nominated some unknown character that the Republicans would have surely voted for, then Trump wouldn't have been able to destroy the United States of America.

    You fuckingasshole MAGA Hats never claim responsibility for anything you ever do. Just like your Golden God doesn't. You learnt from him well.

  120. by HatetheSwamp on January 31, 2026 8:55 am

    "Oh my yes. If only we had organized and set up all the logistics of a national primary out of the blue three months before the election..."

    Noop.

    You were dead when the smoke-filled room maneuvered every serious challenger to the Doddering Old Fool out of running and 87% of Dem voters rubber stamped that dishonesty.

    The SwampGOPs opposed Trump in every way they legally could in the primaries. But, "of the people, by the people, for the people," and all. GOPs still believe in our Representative Republic.

    Donald Trump is the weakest candidate ever to be elected President and he was elected because moderate and independent common sense voters had no alternative, based on the conniving of your string-pullers.

  121. by Indy! on January 31, 2026 9:06 am
    So - once again, Indy nails it...

    by oldedude on January 30, 2026 7:45 pm
    first, how many times have you lied about me, in the dozens, asshole.

    So how many times have you been shot at asshole?

    And yes, I was a pararescue specialist. And yes, I did tell you the other story, because innately, I didn't trust anything you say.


    Translation: "Yes Indy, I am the Official Board Liar."

    You just admitted it yourself, OD. kudos for once - FINALLY - telling the truth.

  122. by Navy2711 on January 31, 2026 12:18 pm

    If this had happened under Biden, 2A enthusiasts would already be confronting ICE.

    Instead, they're placing the blame on the legally gun carrying citizen, who was unarmed and unthreatening when he was gunned down by two government agents.

    The 2A demographic is now 100% discredited.

    .
    .


    MAGA.

    HAS.

    ZERO.

    INTEGRITY.

  123. by oldedude on January 31, 2026 7:22 pm
    po- just a question. Would you bring a bat with nails in it when you enter a bank? Or maybe a restaurant? or let's say a movie theater? just wondering.

  124. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2026 7:41 pm
    OD,
    Interesting question. Whether banks permit weapons depends on state law and private property policies, as there is no federal law banning firearms in banks. While many states allow concealed carry in banks, financial institutions are private property and can prohibit weapons by posting signs. Violating these policies can lead to trespassing charges.

    Maybe ten years ago, nearby in Medford Oregon, there were competing protests concerning guns. The pro gun rights group were carrying hand guns and long guns openly. Other than some bickering it was peaceful.

    I personally don't feel the need carry a gun anywhere, but I have no argument with law abiding citizens who do.

  125. by Indy! on January 31, 2026 8:07 pm

    I laugh at them and they always shy away. Little boys with toys.

  126. by oldedude on January 31, 2026 8:58 pm
    Then you can have any weapon you want. You can break in anywhere you want. You can commit any crime you want.

    If you actually believe that, you are one sick motherfucker. And you're a fucking sociopath.

  127. by oldedude on January 31, 2026 9:43 pm
    I'm enjoying this. corundo curt flat out tried to chum me. And I didn't answer the way that "any MAGA is expected to." Except I'm actually "allowed" to use my brain. Unlike cornudo curt, I don't flipflop because of your political beliefs. If you are stupid, I'll call it out. If curt sees someone did something really fucking stupid and their a leftist? cornudo curt will give every reason, justification, and excuse for them. If someone from the right may speak against his sensibilities? He'll find every excuse, reason, and justification to crucify them upside down and have them be disemboweled.

    The most interesting thing about this is how he's so blatant about it. And all his little sheepoeple fall right in line with him. Just like they did with Himmler. The libturds here will follow anyone that bleats that song.

    Y'all talk about how horrible the US is and pray for a civil war. I actually understand that from anyone that hasn't ever been out of the US (any "vacation" of less than 30 days is NOT considered "out of the US").

    I understand that if you don't actually understand our laws, we may be a "kingdom" (which is laughable, a "Fascist Regime" more interesting, and he hasn't changed our "constitution." among other things. There are steps that are taken to become a Fascist, none of those have happened.

    So my request before I fully mock you is: pull your head out of your arse. If you find that offensive, you may really want to understand it before you open your mouth...
    Yes, in every free country, when you kill a cop, you're going to be killed. It's just that simple. You cut their throat? they'll make sure you never get a "trial."

    In the cuntries you love! they're much stricture than the US. And they'll murder your entire family. That's just the way it's done. Welcome to a true fascist state. My list could go on and on. But frankly, if you haven't been stopped by the national police on a highway, and searched for "anything," you've never felt anything a government can do to you. When you go through a "search" for anything is really interesting. Or when they don't tell you what they're looking for, you're totally fucked. These happened in "republics" I lived in. "FRG, ROK, Panama." Panama, the "police" were using remington 870's 12 ga, as a routine. So go fuck with ICE and expect shotguns to be lobbed at you. Here's your sign.... (Thanks to Bill Engvel)

  128. by Curt_Anderson on January 31, 2026 10:52 pm
    "And all [Curt's] little sheepoeple fall right in line with him. Just like they did with Himmler." ---OD

    Do you really think so? Gosh, that's the nicest thing you ever said to me.

  129. by Navy2711 on February 1, 2026 5:06 am

    "But frankly, if you haven't been stopped by the national police on a highway, and searched for "anything," you've never felt anything a government can do to you."

    Remember when Obama was president, and the right's mantra was, "You're not being stopped by the national police on the highway, so don't sweat it!"

    It was either that, or they were running around with their hair on fire because everything he did was executive overreach? The ACA, executive orders, NSA surveillance, defense of gay marriage, every single EPA regulation, bank and auto industry bailouts. EVERYTHING was the end of the world.* And now that Trump is three times as heavy-handed, they're having a jolly old time, leaning back in their chairs patting their big bellies as they laugh uproariously, and cluck-clucking at us that we shouldn't be alarmed because the national police aren't stopping us yet.

    I forget which it was.

  130. by HatetheSwamp on February 1, 2026 5:11 am

    "Remember when Obama was president, and the right's mantra was, "You're not being stopped by the national police on the highway, so don't sweat it!""

    No.

    Provide a link to your imaginings.

  131. by Navy2711 on February 1, 2026 5:58 am

    Provide a link to the thing that definitely didn't happen, and that I'm satirizing because it's so diametrically opposite to what REALLY happened?

    Provide a link to THAT?

    F*cking CHRIST you're dumb, lololol

  132. by HatetheSwamp on February 1, 2026 6:05 am

    So, you now sayin that wasn't the right-wing mantra!!!!!?

  133. by Navy2711 on February 1, 2026 7:20 am

    "So, you now sayin ..."

    Now ... and when I first typed it.

    Go read it again.

    Detect the sarcasm, like you should have the first time.

    Feel the stupid flowing through you.

  134. by Ponderer on February 1, 2026 7:47 am

    "po- just a question. Would you bring a bat with nails in it when you enter a bank? Or maybe a restaurant? or let's say a movie theater? just wondering." -olde dude


    *sigh*



    Given that I can imagine absolutely no reason whatsoever that I would ever do any of that, the answer is no.

    What possible use would bringing a weapon that lethal into a public space be to me? It would be asinine to do such a thing. Wouldn't it? Totally stupid and pig-ignorant. Blind to the norms of civil society.

    Right...? Am I right...?

  135. by Ponderer on February 1, 2026 7:50 am

    Navy, just a tip...


    Never ask pedophile's bitch
    if he remembers anything. He doesn't.
    Because it suits him not to.




  136. by HatetheSwamp on February 1, 2026 7:58 am

    po,

    I remember. When GUTFELD debuted, you predicted it would go bust within three weeks. Good times, man!

  137. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 8:04 am
    po- What possible use would bringing a weapon that lethal into a public space be to me? It would be asinine to do such a thing. Wouldn't it? Totally stupid and pig-ignorant. Blind to the norms of civil society.

    First, I agree with you, that's why it was such an inane question. Secondly, That's what I've been trying to get through to the libs here. There is such a thing as time/place issues, and is the main reason I've never pulled my pistol in my civilian life. I, too, am not going to wave it around, or put myself in a position to pull it.

    again, sorry for the stupid question.



  138. by Ponderer on February 1, 2026 8:11 am

    It wasn't really a stupid question, od.

    But unfortunately, you were trying to employ an "equitable comparison" in your answer. And I've gone over and over why you Flaming MAGA Hats are utterly, and even likely genetically, incapable of knowing what one actually is, let alone know how to make one.

    I forgive you.

  139. by Navy2711 on February 1, 2026 8:31 am

    Idiot and OD are utterly lost. Idiot is trying to pivot to Gutfeld, and OD is trying to equate having a firearm on you at a protest with bringing a spiked baseball bat into a bank.

    Abandon all hope, ye ding dongs. Bail out. For the love of god, leave this place, and pretend like this thread never happened.

  140. by meagain on February 1, 2026 8:45 am
    OD says that none of the steps to Fascism have been taken. Here are the steps with a little preamble that shows the difference with Naziism.

    I would say that several of them have been taken while there is no requirement that all must be. Fascism can wear many cloaks.

    While Eco is firm in claiming “There was only one Nazism,” he says, “the fascist game can be played in many forms, and the name of the game does not change.” Eco reduces the qualities of what he calls “Ur-Fascism, or Eternal Fascism” down to 14 “typical” features. “These features,” writes the novelist and semiotician, “cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it.”

    The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

    The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

    The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

    Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

    Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

    Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

    The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

    The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

    Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
    Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

    Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

    Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
    Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

    Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”


    There is a similar list be an American political scientist, but I prefer Eco's. He lived with it and fought it.

  141. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 9:25 am
    farsante- Okay, how about carrying a baseball bat with nails in it to a protest? Can you 3 year old brain handle that? Would you do that?

  142. by Curt_Anderson on February 1, 2026 10:09 am
    No, Olde Dude, carrying a baseball bat with nails in it is generally illegal and likely to result in criminal charges. Such a modification transforms a sporting good into a weapon, frequently classified as a "deadly weapon," "billy club," or prohibited prohibited device.
    wklaw.com

  143. by Indy! on February 1, 2026 10:41 am

    Hmmm... I can think of at least one guy on the board to which we can attribute all 14 of those descriptions of fascsim. 🤔

  144. by Navy2711 on February 1, 2026 12:55 pm

    OD,

    You're never going to justify the Pretti killing. You're never going to succeed in shifting blame from ICE to him.

    Stop trying.

  145. by Ponderer on February 1, 2026 1:32 pm

    Navy, they won't ever stop trying to demonize Pretti, Good, or anyone else their beloved Gestapo Goons happen to assassinate on public streets.

    It's all they got.

  146. by HatetheSwamp on February 1, 2026 1:39 pm

    Pretti committed a felony which precipitated the scuffle with the public servants. Being shot ain't his fault but he's not without some responsibility. But, I guess that po's The Rachel. Donna's The Ben and Curt's Holy Trinity aren't reporting that.

  147. by myce on February 1, 2026 2:01 pm

    A felony?! Like throwing a sandwich, or kicking a vehicle?

  148. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 2:14 pm
    curt= No, Olde Dude, carrying a baseball bat with nails in it is generally illegal and likely to result in criminal charges. Such a modification transforms a sporting good into a weapon, frequently classified as a "deadly weapon," "billy club," or prohibited prohibited device.

    Okay, I agree with that. My point has been that a pistol is far more deadly than any of the weapons previously mentioned. It's more transportable, has a reach of at least 50metres (the bullet goes much further, but the "average" shooter can hit a moving, body sized target at that range). That has been my critique in this whole mess.

    The wheels of justice, as much as we all love 20/20 hindsight, are turning very slowly. My guess is they're looking at it from pretty's angle, as well as every agent in that area, as well they should.

    One of the first thing they teach you when handling any sort of gun is the person with the gun in his hand is ALWAYS responsible for where that bullet goes. No exception to that rule. So everyone onscene has different culpability in what happened.

    I didn't think I had to say this twice, but ALL the agents that unholstered their guns are being investigated. I agree with that. Any time you unholster your gun, you must be able to articulate the reason that you did. Why you pulled the trigger, or didn't. They are all under investigation now. Two of them are on paid leave. That's a standard for a couple of reasons. The guy is dead. During the autopsy, all the bullets were investigated so everyone knows which bullet came from which gun. That's important. 20 shots? There has to be a reason to fire that many. What was their history?


    All in all, I'm not veering from my original thoughts. That is/was my answer for this thread especially. Yes, I am a 2A guy. Obviously, I wouldn't have made that choice. Period.

  149. by Curt_Anderson on February 1, 2026 2:20 pm
    OD,
    As you just said to legally carry a gun is a choice. The second amendment protects that choice. The second amendment makes no provisions about the right to bear arms being a wise choice or not.

  150. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 2:27 pm
    So now you're okay with carrying a baseball bat into the protest. It's also legal to do that. He lost his carry permit the second he tussled with the agents. End of fucking story.

  151. by Curt_Anderson on February 1, 2026 2:31 pm
    OD,
    I've already told you that carrying a baseball bat into a bank or into a protest would be illegal. I gave you a link above regarding that. This time do a do a search yourself to find out what the laws are regarding carrying a weapon, not covered by the second amendment into various situations such as a bank or a protest.

    This isn't complicated.

  152. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 2:37 pm
    But it isn't illegal. Like carrying a hockey stick into a bank. No law against that. They can ask you to leave, but that's the preference of the bank or bar or whatever.

  153. by Curt_Anderson on February 1, 2026 2:42 pm
    OD,
    While not explicitly illegal by federal law, carrying a baseball bat or hockey stick into a bank is generally prohibited by private property rights and can be considered a "deadly" or "dangerous" weapon. Banks are private businesses and can prohibit items they deem threatening. Carrying such items can lead to security intervention, charges of disorderly conduct, or being asked to leave.

    In a bank where I do business, they prohibit the wearing of hats with visors or brims. No doubt that has to do with their security cameras.

  154. by Ponderer on February 1, 2026 4:40 pm

    "Pretti committed a felony which precipitated the scuffle with the public servants. Being shot ain't his fault but he's not without some responsibility." -pedophile's bitch

    No. Sorry, you're wrong. He holds no responsibility at all. Even if anything he had done had actually been, say, a felony, the sentence is still not death by firing squad.

    As he did nothing whatsoever that constituted a threat to the life of those agents, he was not responsible in any way for how they went all berserker on him with no legitimate justification whatsoever.
    .

  155. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 5:04 pm
    none of that is factual. You need to actually know the law. We've been through this several times before.

  156. by meagain on February 1, 2026 6:54 pm
    Carrying a bat to a protest or any weapon is a question of intent. It would almost always be illegal.

  157. by Indy! on February 1, 2026 7:35 pm

    How's it going, OD? 🙂

  158. by oldedude on February 1, 2026 11:02 pm
    meagain, Carrying a bat to a protest or any weapon is a question of intent. It would almost always be illegal.
    That has been my point all along. If you're not planning on using it, why do you have it in the first place? And although bats are pretty messy, it doesn't compare to the damage a gun would do and it has a much longer range than a bat.

  159. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 4:38 am

    po,

    C'mon. Gimme a break, man! Pretti did commit a felony and that precipitated the deadly scuffle with those armed public servants. That he ended up dead is horrific. But, there's a truth beyond the preferences and prejudices that po brings to every moment of life.

    It's time you face real-world.

  160. by Ponderer on February 2, 2026 6:56 am

    "Pretti did commit a felony" -pedophile's bitch

    He of course did no such thing.

    Look, pedophile's bitch. I know that you and all the other Flaming MAGA Hats are desperate to find some way to deflect the blame away from Trump's Bloodthirsty Gestapo Goons' for Pretti's assassination, but this nonsense ain't gonna cut it.

    Even if Pretti had committed a felony there is simply no justifiable reason that at any point in his contact with Trump's Bloodthirsty Gestapo Goons that they were allowed or obligated to shoot him once, let alone ten times.

    Plus, of course, there is the genetic predisposition that conservatives, Republicans, and MAGA Hats have to reflexively blame the victim if it was someone on their side who was the criminal. I imagine that is coming into play here too. We certainly saw this in the Good case also.

  161. by oldedude on February 2, 2026 7:57 am
    Prove to me he wouldn't have shot one or more of those agents. He has a predisposition for it, had talked about it, and his ex was not surprised that he had been shot.while carrying.

    When he resisted initially, he was detained. When he kept fighting, he was arrested at that point. Meaning he was not free to leave. See (18 U.S. Code § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees). We've talked about this ad nauseam.

    (1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; ...

    (b) Enhanced Penalty.—
    Whoever, in the commission of any acts described in subsection (a), uses a deadly or dangerous weapon (including a weapon intended to cause death or danger but that fails to do so by reason of a defective component) or inflicts bodily injury, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
    law.cornell.edu

  162. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 8:13 am

    ""Pretti did commit a felony" -pedophile's bitch

    He of course did no such thing."


    Sorry. I keep forgetting that we have a former Supreme Court clerk who is now an Ivy League law school professor. A thousand pardons, baha

    My bad.

  163. by Ponderer on February 2, 2026 8:25 am

    pedophile's bitch, are you saying that all of the sources for the erroneous information that you are always flogging in here was given to you by Supreme Court clerks? And it's only them that you will ever listen to?

  164. by HatetheSwamp on February 2, 2026 8:31 am

    huh

  165. by oldedude on February 2, 2026 2:46 pm
    Lead, that's pretty funny!🤣

  166. by oldedude on February 2, 2026 6:11 pm
    po, I give you post #161, which is the LAW for what he did and how they're going to charge him. DONE. Please come back to reality.

  167. by oldedude on February 2, 2026 6:27 pm
    curt- I think it's funny that you anticipated that I would do nothing but become a little nazi, like the libturds. Just to follow my "group." The people that I've always shot with are responsible owners. Not assholes. If we go to a "bar" after shooting, the guns are cleared totally (at the range). Some of the folks take their guns apart. Ammo goes into a different vehicle. Of all the times we're OCD, this is it. If we clean guns together, there is NO ammo available to load any of the weapons. Some of the folks have "striker ammo" which is inert that we use to do function checks. They are blaze red, hot orange, florescent lime green so everyone knows what we're up to.

    It's too bad that you expected me to support some asshole that endangered the lives of everyone there. Next time, find a libtard and they'll support you. I am allowed to have a brain.

  168. by Indy! on February 2, 2026 7:21 pm

    You definitely blew your wad while writing that last post - but I want to refer back to this one, Odie...


    by oldedude on February 2, 2026 6:11 pm
    po, I give you post #161, which is the LAW for what he did and how they're going to charge him. DONE. Please come back to reality.


    They're going to charge a dead man with a crime? Seems a bit excessive after putting 10 bullets in his back for trying to help a woman in distress get up off the ground doncha think, Señorita?

  169. by oldedude on February 3, 2026 8:23 am
    Actually, after YOU posted the multiple post about unhinged assholes that own guns, and you can't tell the difference be them and responsible gun owners, (just like you don't speak spanish because "it ain't 'merican" racism). I agreed with everything you posted and many others agreed with. You said it, they agreed. Fuck you.

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