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MS-13 Hit Man Assassinates Ex President's Son
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December 12, 2025 9:29 am
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For those that still believe in the tooth fairy, rainbow unicorns, and that all immigrants are innocent, here's something to ruin your day. I raalize the libtards have continually demanded the US "accept" their (snicker) "truth" that there is no such thing as human trafficking, nor a slave trade in the US.

Son of ex- Honduran President Porfirio Lobo was murdered by Gerson Emir Cuadra Soto, 33, aka "Fantasma," an MS-13 hitmen and leader of a "Kill Squad." Fantasma
was taken into custody in Grand Island, 150 miles west of Omaha, on immigration-related charges, the FBI said Dec 9th. He is also wanted in his home country for a 2022 quadruple homicide and is a member of an assassination squad in Honduras. After being charged in Honduras the 2022 with firearms charges related to the quadruple homicide, allegedly bribed his way out of a Honduran jail. Cuadra Soto entered the United States illegally in 2022 by crossing the southern border and obtained a California driver’s license.

MS and MS-13 have been on the backburner for quite sometime. They are another Salvadorian gang known down there as "Mara Salvatrucha." They linked up with the US gang, Sureños in the 1980's, and called themselves MS-13.

What this appears to be is the same modus operandi jihadists are going to. Their goal is to destabilize the governments of the countries they operate in. We are already aware the old lines in jihadist operations are going away. While they have their differences, they will still work together depending on the expertise of each group. And we also know the jihadi groups are also supporting antifada with their growing pains.

I'll also be the first to say that we need good immigrants that come in the US the right way. That said, we absolutely need some major reform in the totally corrupt way folks have to go through the broken "immigration system." That said, no one in congress is supporting this, so something needs to happen, even if you figure out the DACA system.


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Comments on "MS-13 Hit Man Assassinates Ex President's Son":

  1. by Donna on December 12, 2025 10:38 am

    "Antifada" 🤣

    God you're a sap.


  2. by oldedude on December 12, 2025 12:09 pm
    First, I do that just to fuck with concha. It's easy, and he has the same sort of humor my four-year-old has. Parroting, saying things over and over and over.

    All of that. and that's what you picked up on? But I guess I wouldn't expect anything more. The fact that your buddies are partnering with true evil. That would make me question my thoughts about who/ what I support. And again. I do believe there is true evil. Obviously, others here don't actually have a concept of what that is. And much less that it actually exists in something they can see.


  3. by Donna on December 12, 2025 2:25 pm

    I think you're a sap for believing that "Antifa" is is something that anyone should be concerned about.



  4. by oldedude on December 12, 2025 2:29 pm
    Yeah.... it's only one of my Master's degrees. Maybe I don't know as much as someone that supports terrorism.


  5. by Indy! on December 12, 2025 2:39 pm

    Odorous' OP:
    I raalize the libtards have continually demanded the US "accept" their (snicker) "truth" that there is no such thing as human trafficking, nor a slave trade in the US.

    Show us one single post where any of us libtards said there was no such thing as human trafficking and/or a slave trade in the U.S. and then maybe I'll read the rest of that crap nobody cares about. Prove - for once in your life - you're not the Official Board Liar.


  6. by Indy! on December 12, 2025 2:39 pm

    Oh, and... did someone say "anttifada?"

    Antifada, Antifada, Antifada... la-la-la
    Antifada, Antifada, Antifada... ha-ha-ha

    Antifada, Antifada, Antifada... la-la-la
    Antifada, Antifada, Antifada... (clap,) (clap), (clap)



  7. by oldedude on December 13, 2025 5:41 am
    Frau Blücher!
    View Video


  8. by Donna on December 13, 2025 10:48 am

    No one is destabilizing our country more than Trump's traitorous gangster regime.


  9. by Indy! on December 13, 2025 1:54 pm

    A pop culture reference from OD? 🙂 Classic movie - I had the poster hanging on my bedroom wall as a kid.


  10. by Navy2711 on December 13, 2025 2:27 pm

    " I raalize the libtards have continually demanded the US "accept" their (snicker) "truth" that there is no such thing as human trafficking, nor a slave trade in the US."

    That's a bold lie, even for you. I'd ask for a link, but you'll Google "libtards human trafficking," paste the first link here, and then strut around like you did something.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on December 13, 2025 6:00 pm
    Navy,
    I don't think that OD will Google "libtards human trafficking," and share the results anytime soon. I did in the top results ridiculed that search term.


  12. by oldedude on December 13, 2025 9:23 pm
    First, I'll start with the facts on this site. The only person that has stood against human trafficking is donna. Period. curt and concha have been in several discussions about human trafficking, rape trees, and human slavery. BOTH of them have defended those parts of the immigration issue. With the exception of Lead and I (+donna that one time), there hasn't been one libtard on this site that has spoke against it, or skirted the issues.

    Everyone "dismissed" Jose Ibarra, the asshole that beat to death (beyond recognition) Lakin Riley.

    Again, we brought up Johan Jose Martinez Rangel, 22, and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos, 26, who lured 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungaray under a bridge. For 2 hours, they raped her, and eventually strangled her.
    nypost.com
    abc13.com
    cbp.gov
    View Video


  13. by Navy2711 on December 13, 2025 10:25 pm

    Oh my. Look how quickly we went from ...

    "the libtards have continually demanded the US "accept" their (snicker) "truth" that there is no such thing as human trafficking, nor a slave trade in the US"

    ... to ...

    "... there hasn't been one libtard on this site that has spoke against it, or skirted the issues."


  14. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 6:14 am
    What about the support for St kilmer who has criminal histories in both colombia and the US. Or again, the complete dismissal of murderers in the MSM. (the inclusive) libtards, including yourself have a complete lack of empathy towards other human beings. You don't give a shit if people get murdered, it's all about you keeping up what you're told to do. Not free thinking.


  15. by Indy! on December 14, 2025 9:58 am

    You couldn't find a single time I supported child trafficking, human trafficking or drug trafficking if your sad, sorry life depended on it, Señorita.

    The good news? You get to keep your title as Official Board Liar.


  16. by meagain on December 14, 2025 12:14 pm
    Why would I speak out against human trafficking, OD? It does not have to be said, particularly by a liberally inclined person because it goes with the territory. I am inclined to be a bit curious about Conservatives who speak out loudly when there is no one even showing support, and demanding that others do.


  17. by Navy2711 on December 14, 2025 1:08 pm

    OD,

    "What about the support for St kilmer ...

    You were told time and time and time and time and time again ...

    ... and now I'm telling you a-f*cking-GAIN ...

    ... that the support for Kilmar was for his RIGHTS, which are ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, including YOURS. None of us cared one way or another for Kilmar, the man. We cared about the precedent being set when his RIGHTS were being violated.

    It didn't stick the last 20 times we told you that, and it won't stick this time, because you don't want to deal with the reality of that situation, you just want to villainize the libs.

    So go ahead, you f*cking moron, tell us again that we support Abrego-Garcia because he's a criminal. You're going to do it at some point in the future, might as well do it now.


  18. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 2:14 pm
    you support Abrego-Garcia because he's a criminal. You don't understand the immigration law. He has gotten his day in court according to immigration law. It's YOU that don't understand that. I posted it several times, quoting the immigration laws and citing where you could find them. Apparently, that isn't good enough for you.


  19. by Navy2711 on December 14, 2025 3:51 pm

    "you support Abrego-Garcia because he's a criminal."

    Thaaaaat's it. Feel better? Are you owning the libs yet? Say it again, a$$hat, louder this time, so the back row hears.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on December 14, 2025 3:56 pm
    OD,
    Initial Illegal Entry: Abrego Garcia entered the United States illegally as a teenager around 2011 from El Salvador.
    Granted Legal Protection: In 2019, an immigration judge granted him a form of legal protection called "withholding of removal," which prohibited the government from deporting him to El Salvador due to a credible fear of persecution and gang violence. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the U.S. and he was complying with annual ICE check-ins.
    Wrongful Deportation: In March 2025, the Trump administration mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, an action government officials admitted was an "administrative error" and a violation of the existing court order.

    You may have noticed that the Trump DOJ is avoiding a trial. They don't want to give Abrego Garcia his day in court.


  21. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 6:32 pm
    So this dikead is wanted in two countries. The FIRST is in his home cuntry. the second is in the US. He, by fucking law is eligible for deportation. No issue internationally. So fuck you. What you believe is not in the fucking laws.


  22. by Curt_Anderson on December 14, 2025 6:50 pm
    OD, I notice your use of expletives increases when your assertions are factually-challenged.

    No, Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not wanted by El Salvador. Not that it would be relevant. Abrego Garcia was just released from a US jail. He is not wanted in this country, either.

    His "withholding of removal" status allowed him to live and work legally in the U.S. and he was complying with annual ICE check-ins.

    The only demonstrable lawbreakers in this saga is the Trump administration's admitted "administrative error" deportation in violation of the existing court order.


  23. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 6:52 pm
    So you're agreeing that a gangster is a well represented "citizen" of the US. Got it.


  24. by Curt_Anderson on December 14, 2025 7:02 pm
    No, OD. Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen but he is eligible for due process rights under the U.S. Constitution.


  25. by myce on December 14, 2025 8:27 pm
    Oldedude, while I was seeking self-help, I encountered people in a reclusive community who had been abused in an organized way as children. They had survived tortures and horrors, ritual abuse designed to break their minds and control them. They'd experienced things like being locked in a freezer, electrocuted, and made to eat their own vomit. It was their parents, caregivers and sometimes others in positions of trust who had abused/sold them. The reason why I mention this is because I think I understand your concerns about organized crime and terror. Evil is a threat to civilization.

    And I agree with Donna that no one is destabilizing the country as much as the compromised, seditious felony fraudster and his traitor gang. They are doing things that are illegal, evil and a threat to civilization. But I'm not really in the mood to argue and troll over what is real or not real, moral or immoral. Maybe another time. I think you're laser focused on this area of interest of yours. You want people to see the urgency of an evil problem. The threat is real. But in general our thinking is more primitive and instinctual when we're threatened. That's survival. It seems like you think we need to hire criminal thugs to defeat criminal thugs. It makes sense from a certain point of view, but it's not actually going to work.

    From your source Customs and Border Protection, it looks like there were more arrests of criminal aliens under Biden than Trump. Why is that? I think it's because team red cannot govern a fraction as well as they can propagandize, and Trump is a conman. Or is it because Trump is so ugly that his presence deters criminals from coming into the country?


  26. by oldedude on December 14, 2025 8:29 pm
    That is correct. AND you refuse to allow the US laws (which have been sanctified by SCOTUS) to be your guide. So you're the fucking moron in this. and sent others on their stupid chase for his "rights." You have refused to see the codified law in this case and FUCKING DEMANDED exceptional "rights" not given to him BY LAW. So you need to pull your head out of your arse and actually read the fucking law regarding immigration law. I've only referenced it, say.... four or five times, thinking someone of your "learning" could read it and fucking understand it. And... no. You "can't/Won't actually understand the laws that cover this shithead. I wanted to say you were "ignorant" but there were too many times I gave you the out to understand them. You claim you're an "expert" on medical shit. Please stay with that, because you can't/won't read actual law to save your ass. In this case, You're STUPID. which is when you can't understand the law and refuse to believe what it says. Different from ignorant, which is "unknowing of facts" which is excusable. You're not.

    Honestly, sorry. AND you've been so resistant to the truth and I'm just fucking tired of doing this dance of presenting facts that you refuse to listen to. So fuck you. Read the fucking IMMIGRATION LAW. You can't fucking make up the law you want to use. Again, this is the prime example of you abusing the laws and not reading them correctly. You're a fucking piece of shit over this. You are refusing to read the law that is applicable to HIM, you stupid shit.


  27. by HatetheSwamp on December 15, 2025 3:25 am

    "And I agree with Donna that no one is destabilizing the country as much as the compromised, seditious felony fraudster and his traitor gang. They are doing things that are illegal, evil and a threat to civilization..."

    myce,

    I despise Trump, as I've noted gazillions of times here. But, what has his traitor gang done?


  28. by oldedude on December 15, 2025 7:40 am
    curt- No, OD. Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not a US citizen but he is eligible for due process rights under the U.S. Constitution.

    We have beat this dead horse. He has been. Like the rest of the libtards, you don't/won't/can't understand that there is an actual set of immigration laws that have been passed by congress, tried and tested by SCOTUS to 1. protect the constitutional rights of immigrants, and 2. protect the country from criminals. "saint kilmer" has been given more than than the other 99.9% of the rest of people (not only immigrants). So I don't understand why you actually refuse to understand that. y'all are "demanding" extra-constitutional rights because he's an "immigrant."

    I guess there is one thing that you are supporting. And that is that your "saint" is part of your favourite immigrant processing, and that is human trafficking/ slavery, which you've always supported.

    This information is taken from the report from the Gang Task Force dated 03/28/2019. The entire set of paperwork is also available.[1]
    HUMANITARIAN ISSUES: Abrego -Garcia claims to be in good health. Al:lrego~iven~tyto make one free phone call. Abrego-Garcia made a call to ----at --and remained for 5 minutes. Abrego-Garcia is not claiming fear of returning to his country.

    GANG VALIDATION: Per Prince Georges County Police Gang Unit Abrego-Garcia was validated as a member of the Mara Salvatrucha (MSl3} Gang. Subject was identified as a member of the Mara Salvatrucha MS-13, 11 Chequeo11 from the Western Clique a transnational criminal street gang. This information was provided by who has provided truthful accurate information in the past. See Prince Georges County Police Department (Gang Sheet).

    BoldINTELLIGENCE INFORMATION : Abrego-Garcia has gang affiliation and subject states that he has no information about gangs or human/drug smuggling.
    Abrego-Garcia was advised of his right to speak with a consular officer of his native country of EL Salvador which he declined. Abrego-Garcia is claiming fear of returning to his home country of EL Salvador.

    DISPOSITION; A Notice to Appear is being executed on Abrego-Garcia as per Section 212(a) (6) A) (i) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.


    This information is from his interview the same day[2]
    Officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA. During the interview officers -
    1. observed he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations.
    Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture. The meaning of the clothing is to represent "ver, oir y caliar" or "see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil". Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents they they are a member in good standing with the MS-13. Officers Contacted a past proven and reliable source of information, who advised Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA is an active member ofMS-13 with the Westerns clique. The confidential source further advised that he is the rank of "Chequeo" with the moniker of "Chele"




  29. by Donna on December 15, 2025 7:59 am

    And because Garcia finally received real due process, he was freed. The prosecuting team wasn't able to prove its case against him.


  30. by Curt_Anderson on December 15, 2025 10:14 am
    Donna,
    I have mentioned in the past that one of my favorite movies is "12 angry men". OD remind me of the angry bigot juror who constantly complained about the criminal proclivities of "those people".


  31. by Donna on December 15, 2025 10:48 am

    Great film, and I agree with that comparison.



  32. by Indy! on December 15, 2025 11:06 am

    OD doesn't like other people getting free stuff from the government like he does.


  33. by meagain on December 15, 2025 12:52 pm
    I have lost track of this, OD. What extra-constitutional rights would those be?


  34. by oldedude on December 15, 2025 1:41 pm
    donna- And because Garcia finally received real due process, he was freed. The prosecuting team wasn't able to prove its case against him.
    Not true, he was "released from Homeland Security's hold. He still hasn't had his trial. I actually agree with the judge on this one. To secure his rights, ICE needs to petition with a deportation order, they haven't done that. And without that awaiting trial on criminal charges, he should have been under one of the other federal agencies for their hold. OR he needs to have the deportation order handed over to the federal judge.[1]

    curt- OD remind me of the angry bigot juror who constantly complained about the criminal proclivities of "those people".
    I'd take that over cheering on the sex slave trade and professional rapists you prefer.

    wrongagain- I have lost track of this, OD. What extra-constitutional rights would those be?
    ONE more time for the reading impaired. That would be the libtards not acknowledging there are a set of laws that address immigration issues.
    The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) was enacted in 1952. The INA collected many provisions and reorganized the structure of immigration law. The INA has been amended many times over the years and contains many of the most important provisions of immigration law.

    Title 8 of the U.S. Code covers "Aliens and Nationality."[2]
    Title 18 of the U.S. Code covers criminal acts.





    Bold


    Bold
    abcnews.go.com
    uscis.gov


  35. by Donna on December 15, 2025 1:51 pm

    Okay, thanks for the correction.



  36. by myce on December 15, 2025 9:21 pm
    “I despise Trump, as I've noted gazillions of times here. But, what has his traitor gang done? “

    HatetheSwamp, they're normalizing things that shouldn't be normalized, like dehumanization, cruelty, and authoritarianism. Miller (who looks like Voldemort) and the puppy killer are sadistic. The way this administration treats immigrants (“they're eating the dogs”), snatching people up indiscriminately, arresting and deporting even legal immigrants, building concentration camps, and making propaganda videos about it, is atrocious. People voted for this, “mass deportation now,” without considering the reality of what it actually means. This is the most obviously grotesque thing Trump and his friends are doing in my opinion, but there are a lot of things they're doing that I would consider evil and/or destructive. It isn't just the sadism but the overall lack of regard for human rights, dignity, decency, or anything besides their id desires.

    Oldedude, maybe you didn't see my post earlier which was directed at you. Why do you think there are more arrests of criminal aliens under Biden than Trump, according to the data you provided?


  37. by Curt_Anderson on December 15, 2025 9:59 pm
    "HatetheSwamp, they're normalizing things that shouldn't be normalized, like dehumanization, cruelty, and authoritarianism." ---myce

    Well said and quite right! I sincerely believe Trump and Trumpism damaged America. I just hope it's not permanent and not infectious.


  38. by oldedude on December 16, 2025 8:01 am
    curt- RE:22. (also meagain). This is an easier way to show the "extra-legal" issue I was talking about.

    Your "facts" are dead wrong.

    No, Kilmar Abrego Garcia is not wanted by El Salvador. Not that it would be relevant. Abrego Garcia was just released from a US jail. He is not wanted in this country, either.
    The FACT is that he is awaiting a federal criminal trial. I've already covered this. NOTHING changed in that matter. You really need to read different "news." I've already cited that. He's being charged with making over 100 trips to move illegal immigrants across the United States, moving "Thousands of illegal aliens were smuggled."

    FYSA- had he just left he wouldn't be spending any time in jail at all. Yet he chose to have criminal proceedings. I also understand that you don't consider rape, sex slavery, and human trafficking crimes, so there's that.
    usatoday.com


  39. by HatetheSwamp on December 16, 2025 8:43 am

    "... they're normalizing things that shouldn't be normalized, like dehumanization, cruelty, and authoritarianism." ---myce"

    For instance?


  40. by Curt_Anderson on December 16, 2025 8:56 am
    For instance?

    Read myce's comments, HtS.


  41. by meagain on December 16, 2025 10:25 am
    Thank you, OD. Now explain to me how Trump is not violating the Constitution respecting the rights of immigrants.


  42. by oldedude on December 16, 2025 10:56 am
    myce. RE: #25 First, I'm going to acknowledge your post about the kids. Not only should the "parents" be brutally handled, but now we have an equal problem about what kind of parents will these kids become. I agree that is evil.

    There is no justification to keep the parents alive. The reason why I mention this is because I think I understand your concerns about organized crime and terror. Evil is a threat to civilization.

    Before you got back on the site, I posted that I DO support the HSI way of taking down illegals. That includes actually knowing who you're arresting and all the other background. The way USBP is taking them is an issue. These are the "snatch and grabs" and "we'll sort them all out later." I think it's a very poor way to do that.

    The flip side. This is the most obviously grotesque thing Trump and his friends are doing in my opinion, but there are a lot of things they're doing that I would consider evil and/or destructive. It isn't just the sadism but the overall lack of regard for human rights, dignity, decency, or anything besides their id desires.

    That's where your train went off the rails. Obviously you have an extremely low bar when considering "true evil" if it applies to trumpster.

    I also agree with you that true evil exists. It always has. Welcome to the real world. Saddam was very good about that. He and his sons just gassed villages with Sarin or VX. This was of course, after the boys took the women they wanted and were slaves for their "special" kind of evil. He also did that to the Iranians and the Kurds.

    True evil in my view, is lining the family up and drilling the eldest boy's head, generally through the ear, which keeps the kid screaming for at least a few minutes in front of the family. OR disemboweling infants in front of their mothers, beheading the other kids in front of the parents, then putting a bullet through dad's head, and taking the mother to be their sex toy until she just dies.



  43. by myce on December 16, 2025 8:11 pm
    I wrote: "It isn't just the sadism but the overall lack of regard for human rights, dignity, decency, or anything besides their id desires."

    Oldedude wrote: "That's where your train went off the rails. Obviously you have an extremely low bar when considering "true evil" if it applies to trumpster."

    I think Trump is a child who hasn't developed theory of mind or empathy, a baby. Somehow he's good at charming people, but I don't get it. I find him revolting, but if I was a wicked ruler or billionaire, I'd be sniffing his farts and telling him it smells good. I don't think Trump is especially sadistic, but he enables people who are. They'll become more addicted to violence and escalate it if they can.

    We can agree that extremely sadistic acts are evil, but what about acts that are deliberately destructive leading to suffering and death, but not overtly sadistic? When Musk and his gang of delinquents raided and pillaged the government, the USAID cuts resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from malnutrition and disease. It was so mismanaged that food was left rotting instead of being shipped to the people who needed it. The government tells us that people's lives are “fraud and waste.”

    Maybe you wouldn't consider this “true evil,” because Musky seems more motivated by greed, addiction, and stupidity rather than sadism and terror. Nevertheless is anti-Christ behavior. What we might consider “true evil” doesn't just arise out of nothing but it arises from an environment of devaluing life.


  44. by Ponderer on December 17, 2025 2:19 am

    Well said, myce. Great to see you back!


  45. by Indy! on December 17, 2025 8:57 am

    As I've always said, Trump is a two bit con man. Once you see it - you can't unsee. The only ones who still haven't seen it are Fox clones and MAGAts. And the MAGAts are starting to see it.


  46. by oldedude on December 17, 2025 9:20 am
    myce- The thing about the USAID money. EVERYONE admits there are great programs within that money. That said. State Department is giving money out and no one actually knows where the money goes. The money was sent out under (for example) Carter, or Kennedy, and no one has ever followed up on the issue.

    In June this year, a USAID official and three corporate executives plead guilty to decade-long bribery scheme involving more than $550 million in contracts; two companies admit criminal liability for bribery scheme and securities fraud.[1]

    Some other things they found[2];
    $1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”

    $70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland

    $2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam

    $47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia

    $32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru

    $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

    $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt

    Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation

    Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab

    “Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”

    Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries

    Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban

    Even as new as 2 days ago, the government is saying that "no one starved" because of the cuts. I don't really trust that, and they're not going to release the specifics, so I'll count me as "dubious" at best.

    My quesstion is about "why do we need to pay for that? Especially since some of them are sworn enemies of the US?
    stayexempt.irs.gov
    whitehouse.gov


  47. by Indy! on December 17, 2025 10:12 am

    Great catch, Odie. Now let's audit the military because there is no way they're not doing even worse things with the trillions of dollars we waste on that part of the gov't.


  48. by myce on December 17, 2025 6:22 pm
    Whoever betrays the public trust should be in prison. And the white house has Trans Derangement Syndrome (TDS) and everything they say is dubious.

    Oldedude My quesstion is about "why do we need to pay for that? Especially since some of them are sworn enemies of the US?

    Soft power. Corruption and culture war issues aside, it is strategically in our interest to promote goodwill among people around the world. I support *effective* social spending programs as an investment in civilization and diplomacy, and also strong oversight to ensure funds are well spent and not going to criminals.



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  49. by oldedude on December 18, 2025 6:07 am
    myce- what it does is provide them means to kill us. Do you actually believe it actually gets to the intended folks? and it's actually marked it's from us?

    And why are we paying for the opium? It was bad enough that we allowed it when we were there.

    $1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
    Serbia is just getting out of being a third-world Russian owned shithole. This is the last thing they need.

    $2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
    Who made the money off of this?

    “Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria” AND
    $6 million to fund tourism in Egypt AND
    Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation

    If you didn't get the memo, they just brought two military and a civilian back after being killed in Syria. Egypt is the home of the Muslim Brotherhood, named terrorist organization, and other named terrorist organizations. They are laughing at your reasoning while the terrorists don't have to feed their own. The central issue for the jihadists is to murder you. personally. That's their ultimate goal. To see the western world be murdered in the name of Islam in the final war in the world. Just "google" Muḥammad al-Mahdī al-Ḥujjah.
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  50. by Indy! on December 18, 2025 9:08 am

    Nickels and dimes compared to the $200 MILLION Kristi Noem spent (read: "stole") on her cosplay commercials pimping Homeland Security.


  51. by myce on December 18, 2025 7:16 pm
    As if these allegations of waste and corruption justify smashing the whole thing with a hammer. I assume the white house is not telling the truth until proven otherwise. That said, the government was corrupt, even cruel and sadistic at times, before there was Trump. I oppose corruption and favor strong oversight.

    My link above may have a paywall. I'm not subscribed but I could access it on one device and not the other. I dunno? It validates some of the white house claims, but refutes some of then as false, misleading or lacking context. I get your concerns about some of these items, some I don't care about, but I favor this one:

    “2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam”
    This was for more than electric vehicles. USAID launched a $2.5 million fund that provided awards up to $100,000 to organizations with promising new products, business models, or financing models in Danang or Ho Chi Minh cities. The fund was part of a larger effort to bring green energy to a country that is one of the world’s fastest-growing per capita greenhouse gas emitters. China has a head start on green energy, but the United States has sought to keep Vietnam out of China’s orbit, so the program was intended to boost the U.S. brand in green energy.

    This is an investment. It is fair to ask “who made money in this?” It is also fair to ask “who has an interest in destroying it?” Isn't Elon Musk in the electric vehicle business? Who else might have an interest in undermining green energy development?

    And Indy's over here politely saying “nonsense, nonsense.” Indeed. It's in my mouth, up in my sinuses, my eyes are watering, and even my ears can smell the shit it stinks so bad. The military budget (while there are poor and homeless veterans), the puppy killer's cosplay videos, and Little Trumpy's $400 million arts and interior design projects that his parents give him to keep him out of the way. Waste and fraud, indeed!


  52. by oldedude on December 18, 2025 7:35 pm
    Obviously, you've never had to stand your ground against jihadists. If that's the case, fuck you. period. You obviously don't know anything about them other than you libtard MSM.

    "And Indy's over here politely saying “nonsense, nonsense.” Indeed. It's in my mouth, up in my sinuses, my eyes are watering, and even my ears can smell the shit it stinks so bad. The military budget (while there are poor and homeless veterans), the puppy killer's cosplay videos, and Little Trumpy's $400 million arts and interior design projects that his parents give him to keep him out of the way. Waste and fraud, indeed!
    First concha will never cite any fucking thing it says. So it's a NULL value.

    The worst thing you "believe in" is giving to the fucking terrorists. Period. EOS.
    That means you support them. Obviously, you've never fought them. Or actually watch them drill the boy through the ears and listen to them scream. NOR have you bothered to see the clips of infants being beheaded and disemboweled in front of their parents. You can find these if you want. I think you're just too fucking lazy to admit the truth. Don't talk shit if you haven't seen THEIR atrocities.


  53. by oldedude on December 18, 2025 7:38 pm
    I go back to my original post, which you've forgotten or disrespected.

    "For those that still believe in the tooth fairy, rainbow unicorns, and that all immigrants are innocent, here's something to ruin your day. I raalize the libtards have continually demanded the US "accept" their (snicker) "truth" that there is no such thing as human trafficking, nor a slave trade in the US."

    You're one of those...


  54. by Indy! on December 18, 2025 8:12 pm

    So again Odorous proves he's always projecting his own failures onto others. He accuses me of never sourcing anything and then he goes on to throw all kinds of unsubstantiated information out in his last two rants with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back them up. You would think he could at least find some similar rants on one of his usual "sources" like TikTok, Digital Chew or - at the very least - Fox "News".


  55. by myce on December 18, 2025 10:38 pm
    You're a fearful person Oldedude. It's natural given your circumstances, the things you say you've done and witnessed. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. You are Christian? Jesus was betrayed and crucified. Crucifixion was normal in his time. The holy symbol of Christianity is a torture device. But nevertheless He loves. Do you believe that? Do you believe it is appropriate or necessary to have criminal thugs in the government to fight criminal thugs from other countries?


  56. by oldedude on December 19, 2025 6:00 am
    RE: #55. Having actually seen TRUE EVIL, I get dark pretty quick. I've admitted that. I also don't believe that trumpster, or pedojoe, or obomber (or any other president) for that matter were "evil" per se. They're politicians. We don't have people being lined up and shot. No one throwing Sarin or chlorine gas on towns to eradicate an opposing political force.

    We do have complete morons trying to murder political figures on both sides. THAT comes from their political views becoming a psychosis where (snowflakes) can't tell fact from fiction, make up stories about them in their Hallucinations and Delusions. Even when pedojoe was in office, there were times when I agreed with his actions. I (for one of two on this site) have the ability to look at both sides. I don't want any president assassinated. Or any politician for that matter. Or a member of SCOTUS (you get the picture).

    So I find it funny that you would preach to me about being a "Christian" where you harbour so much hatred and don't have the capability to see the hatred in your own heart. THAT comes from paranoia and psychosis.

    I've said several times on this site that I disagree with how USBP takes down illegals, which is "detain anyone that 'appears' to be an immigrant and make them prove they're not." That's a stupid way of doing things.

    I DO agree with HSI's method of actually having a case built (like a dope or human trafficking case). You know where they are, you know who's there.

    That said, in your defense of "all" immigrants, you're supporting human trafficking and slavery. That is something I talk about continually. It's also something the libtards on this site refuse to condemn, and something I consider a crime against humanity. Honestly, if it were any other country doing that (say Central Africa, Afghanistan, Syria, etc) you'd be all over it. But I guess that's the dim way, as we've seen throughout US history.


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  57. by Indy! on December 19, 2025 9:37 am

    That's accurate. Old Dud HAS seen "true evil" - every time he looks in the mirror.


  58. by oldedude on December 19, 2025 8:16 pm
    Again. You can't buy a clue about "true evil." you still a fucking snowflake that has never been a part of the real world.


  59. by myce on December 19, 2025 11:18 pm
    So I find it funny that you would preach to me about being a "Christian" where you harbour so much hatred and don't have the capability to see the hatred in your own heart. THAT comes from paranoia and psychosis.

    I'm not qualified to preach ptsdude, just sharing ideas that I've found helpful. You've accused me of paranoia and psychosis, but you're accusing people you disagree with of supporting slavery and human trafficking. Earlier we were talking about “true evil” that tortures families, then massive corruption by the world's richest welfare queen resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. And then, I'm trying to be polite but the discussion got derailed by that petty bullshit from the white house.


  60. by oldedude on December 20, 2025 7:28 am
    This isn't coming from the White House. It's coming from posters on this site who completely disregard the billion dollar human trafficking and sex slave trade that is created by the open borders.

    You are supporting the "open borders for everyone" theory that believes all immigrants are "just honest people" coming here for a "better life." While a large percentage of them are (my belief), there is a very large undertow of human trafficking, slavery, and sex slavery among them.

    That is something people refuse to accept. curt, concha, wrongagain, and most other libtards don't accept that exists. I will say it again. AGAIN, I don't like the method and feel there is a much better way of doing it. There is a global attempt to stop the slave trade which also considers to be the moral and ethical issue that violates human rights far larger scale than temporarily detaining people.






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  61. by myce on December 20, 2025 1:22 pm

    I don't know about the beliefs of the people in this community, but the claim that Democrats and the left support “open borders” is a strawman invented by the GOP propaganda machine. I don't support that, and I think it's only a minority who support it because it's a foolish idea. Besides the national security issues, it takes time to integrate new people into society because people need housing, schools, infrastructure, etc. I do support hiring smart people to find economic and diplomatic solutions to poverty and crime. I do support providing law enforcement with adequate resources, training, paid time off and therapy for their ptsd. To be clear, I said "law enforcement," not Trump's gang of white supremacists cosplaying law enforcement while they terrorize communities and kidnap people.

    And, I support tax reform that would make the billionaires accountable to society, but of course they don't want that. They have god-like powers compared to regular people and they still want more. They will destroy civilization and the planet to feed their endless hunger. They're pulling you around by the nose hairs with your preoccupation with TRUE EVIL while they're ones pulling the strings to make to world more evil to benefit themselves.


  62. by meagain on December 20, 2025 1:31 pm
    I am pretty tired of your accusations about human trafficking and the sex trade. I have never even commented on either since it is always an off topic slur of yours. I do sometimes think the world might be a better place if, in your mid east tour you had been captures and trafficked to serves some useful purpose.

    Aart from that, I think your obsession with them is sadly amusing.


  63. by oldedude on December 20, 2025 1:52 pm
    Again, you fully support the slave and sex trade since you see nothing wrong in rape and murdering other human beings through no fault of their own. The UN and several other global groups disagree with you. AND you haven't read the citations. It makes me really sad that you feel that little about slaves in any country. A "person" that cannot even admit the slave trade exists has zero ethical thought and an even smaller moral compass. This also is in lock step in you not actually caring about any other human being.


  64. by Indy! on December 20, 2025 3:34 pm

    Everything out of OD's mouth is either a strawman or him attempting to project his own perversions on others as a diversionary tactic. Nobody on the board believes in totally open borders. Nobody supports human trafficking or sex slaves except maybe OD. That last part could be more projection... it's a close call.


  65. by oldedude on December 20, 2025 4:04 pm
    You mean except for curt, wrongagain, etcetcetc.


  66. by Indy! on December 20, 2025 7:17 pm

    What are Curt and meagain doing in your mouth, OD? 🙂


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