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What the law says about firing on shipwrecked survivors
By Donna
December 2, 2025 4:25 pm
Category: Law
(1.4 from 7 votes)
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Clearly the law was broken, so someone is going to be held accountable.

From AI:

It is a serious war crime under international and US law to fire on shipwrecked survivors. Deliberately attacking people who are hors de combat—or "out of the fight"—is strictly prohibited.

Legal protections for shipwrecked persons

Geneva Conventions: Geneva Convention II, which focuses on the protection of victims of armed conflict at sea, states that shipwrecked members of the armed forces "shall be respected and protected in all circumstances". Additional Protocol I further clarifies that a person who is recognized as, or who should be recognized as, hors de combat is not to be attacked.

Military manuals: Military manuals for various countries, including the US Department of Defense, explicitly state that orders to fire upon the shipwrecked are "clearly illegal". US Naval handbooks list "offenses against the survivors of ships and aircraft lost at sea" as war crimes.

Customary international law: The prohibition against attacking shipwrecked survivors is a long-established principle of customary international law. This was reinforced by the 1907 Hague Convention IV, which specifically forbids giving "no quarter" orders to kill everyone.

Key legal precedents

Peleus Trial (1945): This is a landmark case that established the prosecution of commanders for ordering the killing of shipwrecked survivors. A German submarine commander and his officers were tried, convicted, and executed by a British military court after firing on the survivors of the sunken Greek freighter Peleus.

Llandovery Castle Case (1921): After a German U-boat sank a Canadian hospital ship, its crew fired on the survivors in lifeboats. The court concluded that killing shipwrecked persons who had taken refuge in lifeboats was a violation of international law.

Duties toward survivors

International law not only forbids attacking survivors but also requires that parties in a conflict take positive steps to aid them:
Parties must take all possible measures to search for and collect the shipwrecked, wounded, and sick without delay.
They must protect survivors from ill-treatment and provide them with proper care.


Recent application

In recent news, allegations surrounding a US military strike on a suspected drug boat have prompted legal experts and lawmakers to reiterate these protections. Legal analysts cited the DoD's Law of War Manual, which uses firing on shipwrecked persons as a prime example of an unlawful order. The controversy has highlighted that:
These principles apply regardless of the mission's context, such as counter-narcotics operations.

The duty to refuse manifestly illegal orders, such as an order to kill survivors, is well-established in US military law.

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Comments on "What the law says about firing on shipwrecked survivors":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on December 2, 2025 4:46 pm
    All the above is true and should be obvious and second nature to everybody. But alas, it's not.

    The Trump administration appeals to stupid and morally bankrupt people because the Trump administration is filled with stupid and morally bankrupt people like Karoline Levitt. Only very stupid people will believe that the two survivors clinging to wreckage of the boat were a "threat to the United States of America".


    Leavitt in her comments to reporters on Monday did not dispute a Washington Post report that there were survivors after the initial strike in the incident.

    “Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes,” said Leavitt, referring to U.S. Navy Vice Admiral Frank Bradley, who at the time was the commander of Joint Special Operations Command. “Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority and the law, directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated.”
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  2. by Indy! on December 2, 2025 6:10 pm

    The problem is Hegseth learned military law by watching Steven Seagal movies.



  3. by oldedude on December 2, 2025 6:38 pm
    donna. Prove that, and cite it. That's a strong accusation for an officer of the military. I'm waiting.


  4. by oldedude on December 2, 2025 7:14 pm
    As you know, I haven't been on the witch hunt like you have, because I actually wanted to find out the fucking FACTS before sending persons to their death. This depreciated your rank as a human being. See you in vahala, where we can use our women as we please! Not my thing, but I guess it's yours.


  5. by Indy! on December 2, 2025 7:38 pm

    Nirvana is the ultimate goal of Buddhists - no Valhala. So you just proved you're not Buddhist.

    Just an observation. 👊😎


  6. by oldedude on December 2, 2025 7:42 pm
    SO. You need to look into wartime rules. That's what the fuk this has been about. Civilian is very different. "You're" rules are completely with civilian "atrocities" vs a war. They have, and can cite the "boats" fit the description and class as the dope boats, and can prove it.


  7. by oldedude on December 2, 2025 7:53 pm
    dikead- Nirvana is the ultimate goal of Buddhists - no Valhala. So you just proved you're not Buddhist.

    Define you're "buddhist" to me. I was Shambala, Buddhist. Show where that differs.


  8. by Indy! on December 2, 2025 8:28 pm

    You said "was" - so again, obviously you're not Buddhist. Just an observation. 🧐


  9. by Donna on December 2, 2025 10:43 pm

    "donna. Prove that, and cite it. That's a strong accusation for an officer of the military. I'm waiting." - olde dude

    😅 I think it's funny that you think that any of us could prove something that would take a court of law to determine. I'll remember to demand proof next time you make a judgment here.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on December 3, 2025 4:06 am

    Who survived a "shipwreck?"


  11. by oldedude on December 4, 2025 7:53 pm
    donna- Here's the main point. UCMJ is about fighting in WAR. I know that submarines are exempt from picking up sailors of torpedoed ships. I also know that in navel battles, nobody gets picked up until the battle is done, fires are put out on the ships, aircraft are recovered and your own folks get picked up.

    That said. As a routine, in WWII, we picked up a larger percentage of German sailors than Japanese. Mostly that was because how the allies were treated in their EPW camps. AND all that said, in writing the navy is supposed to pick up those in the water.

    In this case, the "reasoning" from the Admiral was the "battle was still happening." I don't know either way. And the commander's FIRST responsibility is to safety his boat and his personnel, along with finishing the mission, regardless. And again, we'll eventually find out. I will say there is no cut and dry answer. That's why I want the SJAG to hear testimony and give their reading on this. As an Air Force guy, boats were "sometimes" our bus somewhere, but not often. I let them do them.

    So. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just suggesting this is really a convulated issue.



  12. by HatetheSwamp on December 5, 2025 5:02 am

    OD,

    If I thought the critique of Hegseth and Trump was about truth and justice and not merely deranged TrumpHate, I'd take it seriously.


  13. by oldedude on December 5, 2025 8:31 am
    Yeah, I agree

    donna- I understand the issue with the germans shooting the lifeboats. In that case, I agree with the reference. This is what I was talking about though. The "battle" was done. Had the commander of the sub NOT fired on "LIFEBOATS" (for fuks sake) he could have gone on his way. In the case in the Caribbean, the Adamral stated the battle wasn't done and that he was protecting the mission, his boat, and his people. The SJAG needs to give a ruling on this one.

    I think your example feeds into everyone's support in what they believe. I know and understand the LOAC, the land based rules. That's what I did every day. And we had memorized the Rules of Engagement. Why? because I'm not going to spend my life in a federal prison to do something stupid.

    I think it's much harder to have a clear black and white issue on the seas. The orders on land are pretty easy and very fluid also. Butthead shoots at you, it's considered a combatant. Easy peasy. And it doesn't matter if it's a military-aged male, woman, or a 12 year old jihadi.


  14. by Donna on December 5, 2025 8:33 am

    Adm. Holsey was smart to resign when he did.


  15. by Indy! on December 5, 2025 9:43 am

    Could be a good way to dismantle some of this unnecessary military - have everyone resign because T rump and Pete "Where's My Drink?" Hegseth are trying to get them convicted of serious crimes.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on December 5, 2025 9:51 am

    "Adm. Holsey was smart to resign when he did."

    "Hands across the water. Hands across the sky."


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