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We're cleaning up DOJ after yet ANOTHER employee gets fired!
By oldedude
August 30, 2025 1:20 pm
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DOJ paralegal Lizzie Borden Baxter used to work for the "environmental division." No more. In the center of downtown DC, she cursed out one of the National Guard duty that was doing their assigned duties, where it flipped them off after cussing them out. If things were bad enough, she bragged about it as she walked in to her building and went through security.

Bondi took no time is ripping lizzie's clearance and firing her. My guess is they had her shit packed up in a small box when her ID didn't work in the computers. Apparently, lizzie thought she was still working for the "old" DOJ, where it was very appropriate to hate the people she's working to support. I guess if you hate your own people, you're just like cornudo, but you can't work anywhere in the government, or any legal firm because your actions actually reflect on your employer (whatafuckingconcept!). And just like the first asshole, there's no severance, or any other help as of today.

I'm waiting for the next moron that's going to do the same thing. This is actually doing the work of DOGE! And Elon didn't have to fire two of them!“

If you oppose our mission and disrespect law enforcement — you will NO LONGER work at DOJ,” Bondi added.

Bondi terminated Elizabeth Baxter, who worked in the DOJ’s Environment and Natural Resources Division.

“Based on your inappropriate conduct towards National Guard service members, your employment with the Department of Justice is hereby terminated, and you are removed from federal service effective immediately,” the attorney general wrote in a Friday memo, which was first obtained by The New York Post




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  1. by oldedude on August 30, 2025 6:52 pm
    I'm calling "NO BALLS".


  2. by Curt_Anderson on August 30, 2025 7:25 pm
    Even if Ms. Baxter cursed, gestured disapprovingly or expressed herself in any other manner is that in violation of her DOJ employment contract? Otherwise Bondi is infringing on her freedom of speech.


  3. by oldedude on August 30, 2025 7:35 pm
    You stupid bitch.... Regardless of all that (which isn't even a part of this), the point is that she hates the people she is supposed to support. End of fucking story. Defend her as much as you want. Or hire her with all your other losers. I don't care. Just don't let her around any case the DOJ ever looks into!

    Example: DOJ hires a "Grand Dragon" of the Klan. Should they look into White Supremist/ Neo Nazi movements? WTF? you are such a little german about this whole thing that you can't see how this will work against you at some point. Oh. I'm sorry. You'll "ALWAYS" be in power, just like mien Führer.

    Truly, you're pathetic by refusing to believe that another view is in exitance. That's how short sighted the libtards are.


  4. by Indy! on August 30, 2025 11:23 pm

    She’ll be suing the DOJ soon. There’s no law that says you have to be polite to custodial services.


  5. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 5:37 am
    Since you could never hold a clearance and anyone that hasn't don't understand the rules (like everything else you parrot your owners on) what they do is pull the clearance. After that there is no recourse for the firing. I guess if you're an epically failed "artist" it doesn't make any difference what you do. Nobody cares about you. You're just another two bit failure that can't make it and your daddy locks you out of his house.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 31, 2025 6:45 am

    "Even if Ms. Baxter cursed, gestured disapprovingly or expressed herself in any other manner is that in violation of her DOJ employment contract? Otherwise Bondi is infringing on her freedom of speech."

    Interesting question, Curt. Hopefully, the SS Ivy League law school prof will set up straight. But, doesn't an employee surrender some liberty in exchange for remuneration if the exercise of liberty compromises the interest of the employer?


  7. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2025 7:29 am
    HtS,
    IPickering v. Board of Education (1968)
    The U.S. Supreme Court established that public employees have a First Amendment right to speak on matters of public concern, even if their speech criticizes their employer, and this right must be balanced against the employer's interest in efficient operations.

    That's how I would argue the case.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on August 31, 2025 7:41 am

    "...the ruling also acknowledged that the government has an interest in regulating employee speech to ensure efficient operations."

    You have probably noticed that, if Trump 2.0's record at the Supreme Court was an NFL team's record, it'd be on the way to the Super Bowl.

    Susie Wiles, the power behind the throne, lets Trump run his mouth like he always has. But, when the Trump administration does stuff, it usually passes muster.

    I'm not a former Supreme Court clerk, nor am I an Ivy League law school professor, but this looks like a close call to me.

    I'd lay odds that Baxter will win in lower courts, but when the Fat Lady sings? I dunno.


  9. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 7:42 am
    Even if Ms. Baxter cursed, gestured disapprovingly or expressed herself in any other manner is that in violation of her DOJ employment contract? Otherwise Bondi is infringing on her freedom of speech.

    curt- mea culpa. The answer is yes, the act violated two things. First is the violation of her security clearance. My bet is that it's a TS/SCI. And yes, something like a DUI, or, say a barfight will vacate your clearance. If you are suspected in any crime, your clearance goes on hold and you're not allowed to go to work or have any access to any classified. In addition to that even if you're part of a "peaceful protest," you can lose your clearance. A clearance isn't a "right" therefore you have to abide to their rules, and honestly, they're a PITA to get and hold on to.

    Examples; If you are in the military, you violate the orders that say you can't have political bumper stickers. At work, you aren't even allowed to talk politics. That goes for everyone working for the government. As a civil service worker, the closest you can come to politics is one of those stickers that said "I Voted."

    The second thing isn't considered a violation of her constitutional rights. Especially a DOJ employee, you really shouldn't cause a scene in public hating on the people you serve. That is really clear in the documents and annual training she's required to do. The mission of the National Guard was to assist local and federal agencies.

    Hope that helps.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2025 7:52 am
    I doubt that a raised the middle finger constitutes a security breach, OD.

    Also, I believe you're wrong when you say members of the military lose their first amendment rights while out of uniform. Yes, I realize a soldier cannot slap bumper stickers on the company Jeep or on a tank to express their personal opinion. But while off duty, that's a different story: members of the military can engage in peaceful protests.


  11. by Navy2711 on August 31, 2025 9:51 am

    Employees of the DOJ are civil service, not military. They're not subject to the additional restrictions on political expression that the military has. I'm not sure of all of the conditions that cover this lady's employement, but generally speaking, since she isn't a political appointee, she's got the right to express herself in her personal time, in a manner that doesn't reflect on her employer. INdy's probably right ... she'll sue and win.


  12. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 11:03 am
    It's obvious you've never been in the civil service.
    Agreed, they do have different rules, but it boils down to many of the same things.

    We had one guy at treasury that continually took extra 30 min for lunch and didn't make it up. They fired him. ANY form of trust, morality, or ethics violation, you can't keep your clearance. Even things that are legal and considered a lifestyle violation could be an ethics violation. If they find out (however they might) that you and your wife swing, that's an ethics violation. Drugs, even weed is considered an ethics violation. Hitting on a coworker and your married. Ethics violation. Having ANY political propaganda at work, you get one strike, and your gone. Obviously if you take classified home. Ethics violation. Even if it's a "mistake." Lie on a travel voucher. Ethics violation. Have a political point to your report, ethics violation. So if you wrote an intel report that had a political point about trumpster. Ethics violation. That one is extremely confusing to libs like yourself. If I talk about the law and if it applies, it confuses the libs, they can't understand the facts of the case and the law actually matter. And you can't make stuff to suit your points.


  13. by Indy! on August 31, 2025 12:37 pm

    Navy supports my take - thank you.

    OD tries to spin out of the discussion with another google info dump that doesn't apply to anything.

    Oh - and Señorita? I have my own set of keys to my Dad's house so he'd have to change the locks. 😘


  14. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 3:45 pm
    cornuda- I would do that in a heartbeat if I were him.

    navy- that's why I didn't want cornudo to switch the subject, since no one else cared. You have the benefit of the doubt here, because I was answering your post before you could react to mine. No fault, no foul.

    So she has representation. What are her "LEGAL" reasons to "DEMAND" her job back? She doesn't have a clearance. She can't even be a janitor in the building. And my list (See post #12). If she doesn't have a clearance, her job is gone. So she's going to sue for what?


  15. by Navy2711 on August 31, 2025 4:55 pm

    To other readers:

    OD is doing some stretching here. Being a swinger, in itself, is not a problem. Where it becomes a problem is if you're secretive about it, you then open yourself up to blackmail. The department wants to see that you have good judgement - they don't condemn your actual lifestyle choices, as long as they are legal. Same with hitting on your co-worker. If your spouse knows about it, if it's not a dark secret that can be exploited, it's not a problem. It's the actual hitting on your co-worker that's an ethics violation. And obviously, if any of this involves illegal activity - ie. you do drugs at your swinger parties - then that's a problem too.

    Notice that none of this has anything to do with flipping off National Guardsmen.🙄


  16. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 5:35 pm
    IF you actually served (doubtful without a general discharge or lower), there's a thing called "conduct unbecoming." And honestly, I don't have a clue why this means anything to you. You sit in your house, hating everyone and everything that isn't you. Again, you must live a miserable, meaningless life.

    We'll see if she even fights this. I'm sure DOJ has told her how they're going to ruin her legal career. And knowing the DOJ, they'll do it. Her name is in the paper, and my guess she's on social media by name. She'll NEVER get her clearance back.

    That's not up to anyone but the government and you can't argue it. You have no defence against that. Without her clearance, she has no job. Ever in the government. Legal offices look at that as a major red flag. You can't be trusted. As a government employee, you have a standard she broke. Done.

    I lasted through the obomber years in the government without saying a word. And I didn't trust him or his administration more than I trusted the pieces of shit in the CIA/ DNI/ IN offices. Did I go off on anyone? No. I liked my job. I helped bring some really bad people to justice (you know, the ones that corunda and curt support every chance they get)? The cost was that I had to support an administration that violated the essence of the constitution continually. Same thing with pedojoe and his family. The things I would be fired for they did in the open.

    So farsante. Keep thinking what you want. We'll see what comes out of this. I'll hang paychecks she stays fired.


  17. by Navy2711 on August 31, 2025 7:00 pm

    ^^^ The classic, "I feel like my fragile ego has been challenged, so I have to say SOMETHING"


  18. by oldedude on August 31, 2025 7:18 pm
    Nope. You're the snowflake that can't talk about the "services" he's done to other sailors, farsante. I would expect anyone that's actually been in could actually answer my accusations instead of deflect (the mind of a traitor). The thing is that if you were a cook, or admin, I'd support that. When my team was on the ground, I could usually get some hot meal or another for guys that hadn't eaten for a couple of days. Same thing with admin and finance. If I got one (generally an E3) who's pay was fucked up, or didn't have their new wife listed, I could always go to someone because I took them to lunch or something. They knew who I was. And for any of those things to be fucked up could mean people die. By my thoughts and the very little you told me, you weren't drafted. And if you were? WTF cares. If you did your time and got out after your first contract. TYFYS. You misread me as some asshole that can do it all alone. I don't do my "kids" paychecks. That's a different person with that expertise. We moved a lot! in our work. Like the Navy. When they PCS you, it's on a different continent.

    So the only thing I care about is your code. Did you sign up for 2 and got out? I'm good. What I really care about is do you live by your word. And that's a very good sign of it. I used to work on "Honor Flight" taking vets to DC to see their memorials. One guy out of VietNam said he wasn't worth it because he was "just" a cook. Turns out he was cooking for the rescue in Il Drang. This guy was a fukking hero to those chopper pilots and crews.


  19. by Navy2711 on September 1, 2025 10:47 am

    ^^^ There are 306 words in this post. Not one of them is about the DOJ issue.


  20. by Ponderer on September 1, 2025 10:48 am

    It's a key part of the algorithm, Navy. It's never supposed to be on point.


  21. by oldedude on September 1, 2025 1:50 pm
    I was answering the poser who was off point. Then forgot what it wrote and called me out on answering it. dikead.


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