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Does anyone think that the Epstein case isn't riddled with Trump's name?
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July 20, 2025 10:23 am
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I'm in a conversation with a MAGA Hat in a Facebook page on a post about the difference between how Democrats are approaching this "List" situation and how MAGA Hats are.

The meme I posted was about when Democrats say they want the list released, a MAGA Hat says, "Well what about Clinton! He's probably on the list too!" And the Democrat responds, "If Bill Clinton sexually abused underaged girls, I think he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. Because, like, I'm not in a Clinton Cult". At which point the MAGA Hat changes the subject.

I got this response from either a MAGA Hat or a MAGA Hat AI bot (you just can't tell anymore), which I have similarly heard here...

"I did not hear a cry for the release of the files by the Democrat party base while the Dems held the Executive office and the DOJ 2021-2025. It is the Trump supporters that have been calling for the files to be released since the Trump administration arrested Epstein in 2019. You cannot change history. Facts matter."

And I replied...

And no one is denying facts here at all, Gail. Look, it's real simple...

The Dems didn't want the list released because there are Dems on it. The Republicans didn't want it released because there are Republicans on it. Donald Trump doesn't want it released because there is Donald Trump likely all the hell over the case...

Which makes it all the funnier that he promised to his faithful supporters all through the campaign that he was going to release it.

So, was he simply too stupid to think that promise through and now, having realized his mistake to have ever promised such a thing in the first place, is trying to backpedal with all this "it doesn't exist" crap? Or did he never have any intention of ever releasing it at all and was just flat-out lying to his voters to get their votes and his lie is now coming back to haunt him?

Yeah, it's the MAGA Hats who have screamed the loudest. Probably because they can't bring themselves to imagine that their Golden God could ever appear on the list. They probably took his promise that he was going to release the list to mean that OBVIOUSLY he couldn't be on it, or else why would he ever promise to release it?



I was just curious to see if anyone here could come up with any other likely possibilities? The IQ of the MAGA Hats on that site make the two here look like certified geniuses.

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Comments on "Does anyone think that the Epstein case isn't riddled with Trump's name?":

  1. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 11:19 am
    Somebody here is not telling the truth. Between Trump and this woman, who is more credible? Watch the video linked below.

    Epstein's ex-girlfriend describes his relationship with Trump
    Stacey Williams, a former Sports Illustrated model who briefly dated Jeffrey Epstein speaks with CNN’s Brianna Keilar and describes Epstein’s relationship with Donald Trump. She also alleges Trump once groped her in 1993, but he denies the claim.
    cnn.com
    View Video

  2. by Ponderer on July 20, 2025 11:39 am

    There must be a team... or teams, working 24-hour shifts just cleaning the condiments off the floors and walls wherever Trump spends his down time.

  3. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 11:49 am
    It occurred to me that a problem for Trump with his kneejerk retaliatory lawsuits against anybody who ever spoke ill of him, is that the people who he is NOT suing for defamation have added credibility.

  4. by Ponderer on July 20, 2025 12:19 pm

    That's true!

  5. by ROB3RT on July 20, 2025 12:23 pm

    I suspect there's no smoking gun in the Epstein files, nothing that would clearly and irrefutably say, On this day, Donald Trump committed statutory rape of a 14-year-old girl. There's probably some embarrassing stuff, but nothing that would persuade a Republican House to impeach.

    My guess at what is dividing MAGA folks is that there are some blindly devoted cult members who will never question Trump, while there are other more Q-Anon aligned people who genuinely believe some or all of the wild conspiracy theories about child sex abuse (Epstein and beyond, all the stuff about drinking children's blood) and that people in the government were involved. They want the files to be released, chips fall where they may.


    Curt wrote:

    It occurred to me that a problem for Trump with his kneejerk retaliatory lawsuits against anybody who ever spoke ill of him, is that the people who he is NOT suing for defamation have added credibility.

    I think you're overlooking the real purpose of those lawsuits. It's not about seeking damages, or getting someone to retract their past comments. They're designed to show others the stakes in going going public, the court costs, the harassment from MAGA supporters, the loss of jobs and income. It doesn't matter if someone has added credibility when they're too scared to speak out.

  6. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 12:50 pm
    Robert you may well be right about the purpose of Trump's lawsuits. Although it may not be working as Trump had hoped. Women are talking to the media about Trump and Epstein.

    See my CNN link above and the top story in The New York Times as of this moment titled:
    An Accuser’s Story Suggests How Trump Might Appear in the Epstein Files
    Maria Farmer in August 2019. Ms. Farmer said in an interview with The New York Times that she twice told the F.B.I. about a troubling encounter she had with Donald J. Trump, and about how close he was with Jeffrey Epstein.

    A former Jeffrey Epstein employee said that she told the F.B.I. in 1996 and 2006 about what she considered a troubling encounter with Donald J. Trump.
    nytimes.com

  7. by Indy! on July 20, 2025 1:31 pm

    The Stacey Williams interview really adds nothing to the picture even though it COULD have very easily if we had real media and real journalists in this day and age. First the part about Trump assaulting her...

    I've read very similar stories from the other women who have accused Trump of assaulting them. It's apparently his modus operandi to fondle other guys GFs right in front of them - probably some sick "alpha male" thing for him ("Look - I'm touching your gf!"). A "power move" he gets off on. This is also confirmed to some extent by the "if you're famous you can do anything" audio. But I have read at least one other - and possible two - where Epstein was there. So they were probably playing a little game where Epstein brought girls to Trump to fondle like a gag thing between them. Williams said Epstein purposely wanted to stop by Trump's office - then they shared innocuous nothings between themselves while she was fondled. Then Epstein extends the "gag" by pretending he's mad at her after the leave - another power move over the woman.

    Anyway - jmho on that.

    But here's the real problem - right at the beginning of the video Williams says "Trump and Epstein were buddy buddy and always up to no good." Instead of asking the OBVIOUS question "what kind of 'no good' are we talking about?" The CNN woman continues down the same road basically asking Williams to confirm in some other way the two were friends - which is not even a question at this point. WE KNOW THEY WERE FRIENDS - there are photos of them at parties, Trump has admitted, Ghislaiine has said so, other people who knew them have confirmed it... it's NOT NEWS at this point.

  8. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 4:13 pm
    "The Stacey Williams interview really adds nothing to the picture even though it COULD have very easily if we had real media and real journalists in this day and age." ---Indy!

    Imagine a Venn Diagram. One circle is "Trump voters". Another is "Not Trump voters". The third circle overlapping those two is "voters who might change their opinion of Trump based on news coverage which may include exculpatory and inculpatory details".

    Which of the first two circles would have an overlap of the third circle meaning voters who might reconsider their opinion of Trump?

    And within that third circle, what percent will not vote for Trump-supporting Republicans in 2026?

  9. by Indy! on July 20, 2025 4:23 pm

    There will be no Trump voters reconsidering their vote watching the CNN interview - which is the only crowd we're talking about here.

  10. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 4:45 pm
    Indy, I agree with you. I don't think there are many people likely to change their minds about Trump, on either side. No matter how salacious is the reporting about Trump and his relationship with Epstein I don't think many Trump votes would abandon him or Trump supporting politicians.

    I do think that there is a subset of voters, who tend to be conspiracy minded, who will be upset if they believe that Trump has withheld information about Epstein. They may not change your politics, but they are likely to stay home on voting day.

  11. by Indy! on July 20, 2025 7:38 pm

    I believe the same thing although I would not try to marginalize them by calling them "conspiracy theorists". There are crimes that were committed, there are perpetrators who have gone about their lives without any repercussions, there are victims who's lives have been destroyed and there IS a cover-up happening. People have a right to demand answers - I'm glad to have these wingnuts keeping the issue in front of people who either don't care or are trying to protect the criminals.

    And personally, I have absolutely no doubt this goes WELL beyond a group of rich guys who are pedophiles. Something I'll say about Trump - he recognizes a scam when he sees one because that's his jam. I think he realized Epstein was not his friend and didn't put himself in a position where their connection would come back to haunt him - ie: on the island or in front of cameras, etc... IMHO, he understood it was not just fun sex with young girls - there was something else afoot.

  12. by Curt_Anderson on July 20, 2025 8:54 pm
    Indy,
    I avoided the pejorative "conspiracy theorists" by referring to them as the "conspiracy-minded". There are after all, real conspiracies.

    You know the type. Think of the most ridiculous conspiracy theory that you ever heard of. Those who believe it cannot to be swayed no matter how solid the evidence debunking the theory is. There are flat-earthers among us.

    Solid evidence is hard to come by with AI and all other manners of creating convincing fake documents, images, audio recordings and videos. Nobody with an inclination toward a conspiracy theory will ever be convinced to change their mind. That goes both ways: those who imagine Trump is an innocent victim or those who imagine his worst debauchery.

    Of course Trump is making matters worse for himself by releasing partial information in dribs and drabs.

    The MAGA fissure is not good for Republicans trying to decide if they should remain loyal to Trump or appeal to MAGA who want to "drain the swamp" and stick it to the elite.


  13. by Indy! on July 20, 2025 11:29 pm

    As I’ve said many times in the past, the internet ruined conspiracy theories… along with sports reporting.

  14. by HatetheSwamp on July 21, 2025 3:57 am

    This is such a no-brainer. As the Doddering Old Fool says, "Think about it!"

    If there'd be anything that might damage Trump, "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" DOJ would have done what it did with the E Jean Carroll, and the Fani Willis Georgia RICO, malarkey, i.e., engineer a very public lawfare case, against Trump to feed Curt's Holy Trinity and po's metaphorical Rachel reporting for six months, at least. That didn't happen.

    Silence is golden, baby!!!!! Yeeeeeeeeeha.

    Ole pb has no doubt that Trump's name will come up in Epstein documents...

    ... but, has it occurred to anyone? Trump knows what's there. Duh. And, he's leading the psychotic TrumpHate crowd around by the nose, to embarrass Epstein conspiracy theorists...

    ... right in front of the moderate and independent common sense voters who settle elections.

    So, po. Ole pb thinks the Epstein case isn't riddled" with Trump's name.

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