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Trump doesn't know if everybody deserves due process. By Curt_Anderson May 4, 2025 9:49 am Category: Law (0.0 from 0 votes) Rules of the Post & Tips. Write & edit articles How To Post Here

NBC's Kristen Welker asked Trump if he agreed with his Secretary of State Marco Rubio that everyone in America, citizens and non-citizens, deserved due process. “I don’t know,” Trump replied. “I’m not, I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know.” Welker reminded the president that the Fifth Amendment says as much. Trump said: “I don’t know. It seems — it might say that, but if you’re talking about that, then we’d have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials.”

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by HatetheSwamp on May 4, 2025 10:43 am The compelling truths of these four years: "DONALD TRUMP WAS A HORRIBLE CANDIDATE. HE'S THE WORST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY TO BE ELECTED... AND, TWICE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU LOT LOCKSTEPPED WITH THE SMOKE-FILLED ROOM'S CONSPIRACY TO FOIST THE DINGBAT ON VOTERS." by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2025 11:38 am What are you complaining about HtS? You have the same doubts about due process. Trump does a good job of representing and speaking for the usually silent 50%. That 50% includes those with a below average IQ, those in the bottom half of their graduating class and/or those who never made it beyond the bottom half of the ladder of success. Trump is their champion. Trump's 50% also doesn't know if the 5th and 14th Amendment applies to "any person" and they that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law by HatetheSwamp on May 4, 2025 12:00 pm "What are you complaining about HtS? You have the same doubts about due process." But Curt, but Curt! Rights aren't absolute! Bahahahahahahahahahaha haha ha haha ha! by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2025 12:11 pm Yes, but absolutely every person in America is equally afforded and protected by those rights. The Supreme Court has ruled the "due" in "due process" varies by situation, not by the person. We are not due the same due process protections in traffic court as we would be in a capital case. Just like free speech is not protected absolutely the same in every situation. by HatetheSwamp on May 4, 2025 12:18 pm You're the former Supreme Court clerk, but the "situation" of an illegal alien is different from that of a US citizen, not? by meagain on May 4, 2025 12:52 pm Rights are absolute except where they conflict with other rights or where there is a compelling national reason the limit them: never to remove them. That limitation only applies to certain rights as well. Freedom of expression is not absolute and can be limited by laws against hate speech or incitement to violence. Freedom of assembly is also not absolute and can be restricted to ensure public order and safety. Freedom of religion is not absolute and can be limited by laws that protect children from religious abuse or that prohibit religious discrimination. Those are examples, and there is not a lot more that can be. by oldedude on May 4, 2025 1:02 pm Trump does a good job of representing and speaking for the usually silent 50%. That 50% includes those with a below average IQ, those in the bottom half of their graduating class and/or those who never made it beyond the bottom half of the ladder of success. That's cute! You're such an elitest prick*[1].😞 The sad news about that is the dim party (and liberals in general) that's exactly the group of voters they've pushed off the cliff. The dim party earns most of its money through huge donations from white, wealthy and over 50[2]. They care far more about "immigrants" than voters, whom they shower with gifts and tax-free voter paid goodies. They completely overlook over the human trafficking and number of sexual assaults.** And we've also seen it that the victims of migrants is completely lost to the dims. The Lakin Riley act had 159 dims vote AGAINST the mandatory detention of certain aliens who commit certain crimes. So in the case of raping, and murdering a woman is not a reason to detain someone, regardless of their status.🙄 *The term "elitist prick (or prig)" refers to a person who is self-righteous and believes they deserve special privileges due to their education, often implying they are better than others. Specifically, it describes someone who is educated at Oxford University and exhibits a sense of superiority over others. **(49.8% of immigrant women have experienced sexual violence, which is nearly three times the national average in the U.S.[3] 60-80% of women from Central America are sexually assaulted or abused.[4]) forum.wordreference.com readsludge.com tahirih.org hhri.org by HatetheSwamp on May 4, 2025 1:28 pm OD, I hope that Curt's just joshin. He does seem to have taken sanctimony lessons from po. I imagine the sense of powerlessness with Trump, whom he mocks and disrespects, holding so much power, running Congress, with the Supreme Court in his back pocket, is hard for Curt to tolerate. But, this a democracy, eh?, baha. "Of the people, by the people and for the people," eh, Curt... ... even the stoopid half. Keehee ha! by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2025 1:37 pm "the "situation" of an illegal alien is different from that of a US citizen, not?" ---HtS Not in most cases. A US native-born citizen, a naturalized citizen, an undocumented immigrant and a foreign tourist all are afforded the same constitutional rights. At least they are supposed to be protected equally; constitutional rights and protections are iffy under Trump. by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2025 1:51 pm "49.8% of immigrant women have experienced sexual violence, which is nearly three times the national average in the U.S." ---OD citing a source OD, Don't you see how nativists like you and HtS are contributing to the problem of sexual violence against immigrant women? By making it harder for immigrants to enter the US and become citizens our immigration policy exacerbates their sexual exploitation. They are more vulnerable because of their immigration status. Read your own source: Undocumented immigrants are at particularly high risk of experiencing sexual assault and have a harder time accessing services. Abusers often use immigration status as a tool to control their victims, threatening to destroy documents, controlling access to documents like passports, or failing to file for legal status for their immigrant spouse. 72% of abusive partners fail to give their spouses legal immigration status as a tool of control. by oldedude on May 4, 2025 2:55 pm Undocumented immigrants are at particularly high risk of experiencing sexual assault and have a harder time accessing services. Abusers often use immigration status as a tool to control their victims, threatening to destroy documents, controlling access to documents like passports, or failing to file for legal status for their immigrant spouse. 72% of abusive partners fail to give their spouses legal immigration status as a tool of control. I did. And we agree on the problem. We absolutely disagree on the changes. That's EXACTLY why we need to cut the "undocumented" throngs that were crossing the border during pedojoe's reign. The idea is to have set requirements that would assist immigrants instead of the strange rules the immigration service runs. Plain speak here. Congress MUST take a look at immigration paperwork and laws. Instead of a hodgepodge of both redundant and conflicting laws on the books now. There needs to be clear guidance that anyone with a 6th grade reader (in their language) can make sense of. Trumpster took a lot of heat when he pushed the DACA solution to congress. The dims wouldn't do it. That was a start. The dims whined like little bitches that trumpster didn't want to do anything about it. When in fact, he wanted a singular LAW that wouldn't get changed every 4 years. I think we can agree on this also. We need to quit chickshitting the immigrants that entered legally and are working and following the law. At 14 y/o a DACA family member was given an invalid/illegal "social Security" card. She used it a couple of times, but not in the past few years. She hasn't had as much as a speeding ticket. INS/USBP needs to get off her butt, help her fix the problem, and give her citizenship. There are a bunch of folks like this. I feel that if a person fits certain criteria for DACA, they should be able to apply for citizenship easily. At least that's a good place to start. by Curt_Anderson on May 4, 2025 4:30 pm "The idea is to have set requirements that would assist immigrants instead of the strange rules the immigration service runs." --OD I don't know what the strange rules are, but it seems we agree more than disagree on this issue. I just know the prohibitions rarely if ever work. by oldedude on May 4, 2025 9:29 pm curt- My point is that "immigration lawyers" make more dime off the "migrants" you support and less than on the "migrants" I support because of the laws. They're extremely convoluted, much like tax law. We do need to clean that up and make it easy(ier?) for migrants to understand what they have to do to be a citizen here. And the VISA types and acceptance. I actually know more "work" VISAs (J6) than any other. And they're on a system that I've mentioned numerous times before, of working for a year and having to go back to their own country for a "month?" by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2025 3:37 am "A US native-born citizen, a naturalized citizen, an undocumented immigrant and a foreign tourist all are afforded the same constitutional rights." Curt, So this applies to ever illegal facing deportation? "You have the right to remain silent." "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." "You have the right to an attorney." "If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you." by Curt_Anderson on May 5, 2025 9:12 am HtS, To help you understand how the US Constitution says that due process should be applied to people equally regardless of their status, but not necessarily the same in every situation, I will alter your comment above slightly: So this applies to even people who park illegally? "You have the right to remain silent." "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law." "You have the right to an attorney." "If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you." Get it? A person charged with a parking violation is not due the same process as a person charged with a serious crime. Deportation is a civil action not a criminal action. However when the current government ups the ante to include prison as a punishment it's a criminal case thus a higher level of process is due to the defendant. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2025 9:18 am Curt, You keep repeating my argument and pretending that we disagree. by Curt_Anderson on May 5, 2025 9:34 am HtS, Do we now agree that every person within the US has the same constitutionally protected due process rights regardless of citizenship/residency/immigration status? If so, that's news to me. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2025 9:38 am I dunno. I've always believed in the Bill of Rights. You're the one who's iffy. You're among the lot that thought Trump could be kept of the 024 ballot by bureaucratic decree, having never been adjudicated guilty of participating in an insurrection. by meagain on May 5, 2025 9:40 am Although undocumented immigrants are not guaranteed all the same rights as US citizens and legal residents, they have certain protections under the Constitution. These include the right to due process, the right to be with family, the right against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the right to education. clearwaterlawgrouptricities.com by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2025 9:42 am The right to be with family is a US right? by Indy! on May 5, 2025 11:35 am by HatetheSwamp on May 4, 2025 10:43 am The compelling truths of these four years: "DONALD TRUMP WAS A HORRIBLE CANDIDATE. HE'S THE WORST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY TO BE ELECTED... AND, TWICE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU LOT LOCKSTEPPED WITH THE SMOKE-FILLED ROOM'S CONSPIRACY TO FOIST THE DINGBAT ON VOTERS." So Brown Shorts here voted for him. Methinks thou dost protest too much, MAGAt. 🙄 by Curt_Anderson on May 5, 2025 12:23 pm Curt, You keep repeating my argument and pretending that we disagree. ---HtS HtS, Do we now agree that every person within the US has the same constitutionally protected due process rights regardless of citizenship/residency/immigration status? If so, that's news to me. ---Me I dunno. ---HtS So we don't agree. That's what I thought. by HatetheSwamp on May 5, 2025 2:06 pm Curt, You're joshin. You were recently saying that rights depend on the situation. Oy, did The ONE give a full criminal trial to every one of the illegals he deported? by Curt_Anderson on May 5, 2025 2:42 pm Do you mean Obama? He didn't have to provide "full criminal trials" for deportation cases because he didn't send deportees to prison. Minus imprisonment deportation is a civil case. The 5th and 14th Amendments specifically mention that no person shall be deprived of their liberty without due process. Prison is certainly depriving someone of their liberty. by oldedude on May 5, 2025 6:49 pm About 90% of the obomber deportees didn't have "due process" according to the deportation portion of the immigration laws. That which SCOTUS told trumpster he had to follow (rightfully). And when obomber or pedojoe had wires around the nuts of the Justice system, then no one will care. When you allow transparency and a legal system as it's "supposed" to work, you get corrections. Period. by HatetheSwamp on May 6, 2025 3:59 am Curt, Explain to me what you think the point of disagreement is between us. Go To Top

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