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Republican House votes UNANIMOUSLY to allow Trump to deport U.S. citizens
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May 1, 2025 7:53 am
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It's now official: The United States of America is a fascist state.

Aren't you glad Biden isn't president?

Donna


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  1. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 7:57 am

    Related story from the NYTimes:

    'This is what we were all scared of': DOGE is building a surveillance state

    Link below. Pay wall.


    nytimes.com


  2. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 8:18 am

    Donna,

    You're a freakin friggin EFFINliar.

    Ole pb's is not a fan of the way ICE is conducting itself... as are many libertarian-ish GOPs.

    But, the article says,

    "One amendment introduced by Representative Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, sought to make clear Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cannot DETAIN or deport U.S. citizens under any circumstances."

    I'm no Big Brother fan, but you want law enforcement not to be able to DETAIN a suspect?

    As Joe would say, "C'mon man. Gimme a break!"

    This is from NEWSWEEK, so I'm inclined to trust the reporting. But, your headline is filthy with lies! Shame on you.

    And,...

    The friggin HOUSE didn't do anything. A Committee did. And,...

    Assuming the reporting is accurate, if the Amendment had only prohibited ICE from deporting US citizens, I'd favor it...

    ...AND...

    ... my guess is that all pbGOPS would. My guess is that the Amendment was intended to be raw meat thrown to brainless TDSers... and that you just revealed yourself.

    You also proved why more and more people all the time, HatetheSwamp!


  3. by Indy! on May 1, 2025 9:02 am

    ...and you also didn't vote for Trump. 🙄


  4. by oldedude on May 1, 2025 9:06 am
    Lead- well done for clarity. Detaining someone ensures the whole story gets heard. A way to check the story and find out what's going on. It also provides a way for a person to identify themselves so they're not "arresting" innocent people. My view is "how does an ICE agent (or anyone else) find out if they are a citizen?" Without being detained, that is impossible. And considering that ICE "Agents" are sworn officers just like FBI, DEA, IRSCI, etc agents. That whole thing just doesn't make sense.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on May 1, 2025 9:06 am
    You might be a fascist if you are OK with...

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) DEPORTING U.S. citizens under some circumstances.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 9:08 am

    OD,

    Being detained is a part of that most holy reality, due process.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 9:10 am

    Herr Anderson,

    Nice... FANCY... reverse Good Germaning. Youdaman!!!!!


  8. by oldedude on May 1, 2025 9:17 am
    curt- I think we're all in agreement on the "Deporting" US citizens. That should be a given.


  9. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 9:46 am

    The sign I'm going to hold at the May Day rally tonight is ROB3RT's suggestion:

    HOW LONG BEFORE THIS SIGN GETS ME DEPORTED?


    Donna


  10. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 9:52 am

    Donna,

    From over here, it's hard not to laugh.

    A question has occurred to me about your rallies: Do spontaneous chants of "USA USA USA USA" break out?


  11. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 9:52 am

    Yes!


  12. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 9:54 am

    Lots of American flags, too.

    A very anti-Trump Democrat on our street just put up a huge American Flag a couple of weeks ago.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on May 1, 2025 9:56 am
    OD, you would think that it should be a given, but HtS is okay with it. He just said as much:
    "if the Amendment had only prohibited ICE from deporting US citizens, I'd favor it..."



  14. by meagain on May 1, 2025 10:08 am
    Detaining and deporting non-citizens in the way it is being done is illegal and Unconstitutional. It is also immoral, brutal, and unfeeling.


    "As a scholar of immigration and citizenship law, I think that it is important to help the public understand the scope and limitations of ICE’s authority.

    At the most basic level, ICE has broad, sweeping powers to question, arrest, detain and process the deportation of any noncitizen. But ICE is still bound by certain constitutional and other legal restrictions, including noncitizens’ rights to make their case in court to remain in the U.S."



    theconversation.com


  15. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 12:45 pm

    It's me now.

    Republican House members on the committee voted it down unanimously...


    Republicans Vote Against Move To Stop ICE Deporting US Citizens

    House Republicans have voted down an effort to block immigration enforcers from using federal resources to detain or deport U.S. citizens.

    During a House Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday, Democrats tabled amendments to a sweeping budget bill that President Donald Trump has dubbed "one big, beautiful bill."

    One amendment introduced by Representative Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, sought to make clear Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cannot detain or deport U.S. citizens under any circumstances. GOP lawmakers killed that amendment.

    Why It Matters:

    Trump, in April, floated the idea of sending U.S. citizens convicted of violent crimes to El Salvador.

    The new Trump administration has also been accused of flouting court orders and deporting migrants without due process following campaign promises of mass deportation. The administration has denied such accusations.

    Any such moves risk a clash with the U.S. Supreme Court, which said in a ruling last month that any deportees should first be given due process through the courts.



    As I have been saying, the phrase, "Wannabe Dictator" no longer applies to Trump. He is a fully fledged, authoritarian dictator who is just starting to test his fascist wings.
    newsweek.com


  16. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 1:08 pm

    Trump, in April, floated the idea of sending U.S. citizens convicted of violent crimes to El Salvador.

    Here's where it's tough for ole pb. This may, or may not, be inappropriate, even illegal... you, po, are the Ivy League law school professor.

    But, to do so is not deportation. IMO Trump is on shaky political ground with much of what he's doing, but you lot save him from truly serious consequences with your insane responses.


  17. by Indy! on May 1, 2025 1:14 pm

    Funny that now the Supreme Clowns have bought their positions in the Clown Car - they're finding out they're powerless. The guy who sold them those seats decided he's not going to follow their rules because he doesn't have to... he's the boss, he's the guy who raised a bunch of losers with no qualifications to the highest Clown Car in the land - now he's the boss and all they can do is sign off on whatever unconstitutional orders he demands they sign off on.

    Congress is happy following along - makes their jobs easier if they just have to play stenographer to the orange ass monkey.


  18. by oldedude on May 1, 2025 1:15 pm
    One amendment introduced by Representative Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, sought to make clear Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cannot detain or deport U.S. citizens under any circumstances. GOP lawmakers killed that amendment.

    "cannot detain or deport U.S. citizens"
    I understand they can't deport US citizens. Where are you going to send them? Their home country is the US.

    The issue that I have in the amendment is the term "detain" any US citizens. Without detaining them, how does the agent know they're a citizen? Detaining a person allows the LEA to find out their name, status, wants & warrants, etc. And what happens if you find crack or fentanyl on them? Does the ICE agent let the citizen go? That's not even borderline stupid. Or a felon with a gun? Same thing.

    Her amendment is absolutely not thought out. Basically, it's a knee-jerk reaction.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 1:23 pm

    "Her amendment is absolutely not thought out. Basically, it's a knee-jerk reaction."

    My initial take is that it is pure political hijinks, intended to be raw meat thrown to the po and Donna lot who attend those rallies that are doing the Dems waaaaaaay more harm than good.

    That's my story and I'm stickin to it.


  20. by Ponderer on May 1, 2025 1:26 pm

    But you're okay with deporting American citizens to a foreign prison, right? - Donna


  21. by meagain on May 1, 2025 3:28 pm
    In common law countries, law officers cannot detain anyone, citizen or not, unless they have reasonable grounds to think the person is connected to a crime. If they do detain, then the detainee must be informed of the reasons and told of their right to counsel.


  22. by HatetheSwamp on May 1, 2025 3:45 pm

    "But you're okay with deporting American citizens to a foreign prison, right?" - Donna

    Deport? No.


  23. by Curt_Anderson on May 1, 2025 5:25 pm
    HtS,
    You said in this thread (comment #2) that you are okay with a bill that would deport US citizens as long as it contained the word "detain" suspects.

    Both deporting and detaining are favored by fascists. What is more Nazi-like than supporting the notion of detaining citizens who cannot immediately prove their citizenship? "Show us your papers!"


  24. by oldedude on May 1, 2025 5:53 pm
    In common law countries, law officers cannot detain anyone, citizen or not, unless they have reasonable grounds to think the person is connected to a crime. If they do detain, then the detainee must be informed of the reasons and told of their right to counsel.

    We have three levels. The first is an "interview." You get stopped. You may need to show an ID, you get asked if you've seen "whatever." No big deal. You're free to leave at any time.

    Second Level: Detained. This is done prior to an arrest. Questioning goes from "hey, how are you" stuff to much more pointed questions, but still an Interview.

    Third Level: Arrested. This is when you physically detained and you lose the "right" to leave. At this time, you're read your rights and typically you get interrogated in a controlled environment.


  25. by Curt_Anderson on May 1, 2025 6:25 pm
    OD,
    You outlined it perfectly. My police son has discussed these points of law with me while he was attending college and in police academy.

    The grey area for ICE might be "reasonable grounds". Is looking "foreign" reasonable grounds to detain someone? I hope not in this melting pot land of immigrants.


  26. by HatetheSwamp on May 2, 2025 3:43 am

    "You said in this thread (comment #2) that you are okay with a bill that would deport US citizens as long as it contained the word "detain" suspects."

    I did not say that... by a looooooooong shot!


  27. by Ponderer on May 2, 2025 7:30 am

    Hate is against a lot of what Trump is doing.

    But he never lets that stop him from defending, supporting, and championing his Glorious Golden God. Never ever.


  28. by Curt_Anderson on May 2, 2025 7:32 am
    HtS,
    You cannot take back what you said in comment #2: "if the Amendment had only prohibited ICE from deporting US citizens, I'd favor it..."

    Meaning since the amendment didn't include only that, you'd oppose prohibiting ICE from deporting US citizens.

    I get it though, your comment was a knee jerk reaction like your arm shooting up in a Nazi salute when you hear Deutschland Uber Alles.


  29. by HatetheSwamp on May 2, 2025 9:57 am

    "Hate is against a lot of what Trump is doing."

    Both OD and pb are against the many of the things Trump is DOING. Both of us have, happily, been able to resist both Trumpapbobia and Trumpaphilia.

    I wish you could join us, but we understand...


  30. by oldedude on May 2, 2025 2:40 pm
    Lead- it's the libtard double standard. We accepted an extremely weak "correction" by po, donna, wrongagain, princess, etc regarding the murdering of innocents on 10/7, and extremely poor corrections of women being raped by the coyotes, and we moved on. They don't have the same ability. And I consider the rape and murder of thousands of human beings much worse than what you said. My view? they need to grow up if that's all they have.


  31. by oldedude on May 3, 2025 6:49 am
    The grey area for ICE might be "reasonable grounds". Is looking "foreign" reasonable grounds to detain someone?

    In legal terms, to detain means to hold a person in custody temporarily, often for questioning or investigation.

    Law enforcement must have reasonable suspicion of unlawful activity to detain someone, distinguishing it from an arrest, which requires probable cause.

    Detainment can occur in various contexts, such as;
    during traffic stops or
    street encounters, and is
    significant in defining the limits of police authority and the rights of individuals during interactions with law enforcement.[1]

    I really think this is purposefully being misconstrued by the media as being the same as "arrested," which raises a lot of questions and doubt those who read those articles.

    For example; the raid on the gangster club in Colorado Springs. They were after the foreign gangsters that are known to frequent the club. With that were a load of prostitutes (human slavery), lots of drugs, and the gangsters per se. There werealso a number of US citizens there. When the Task force raided the club, everyone gets "detained."
    Law Enforcement has a "reasonable suspicion" the persons were either international gang members, prostitutes both immigrants (without IDs), or they had guns or drugs in their possession. IF none of those applied and there were no other charges (warrants, etc), the people were released. AND police got their names, addresses, etc. There were several members of the military there also. Their information was taken down and given to CID for further investigation on the military side.

    So time/place also has a lot to do with it. If you're at a crackhouse that gets raided, you're going to be detained.
    definitions.uslegal.com


  32. by HatetheSwamp on May 3, 2025 7:00 am

    Being libertarian-ish, my concern is that Trump's DHS detains too quickly. I understand that the "dithering and diminished" Doddering Old Fool's string-pullers put all of us in the position that the DHS approach that it's easier to get forgiveness than permission has some justification. But still,...


  33. by oldedude on May 3, 2025 8:19 am
    I think if they follow the rules and use "detain" as a temporary "hold," I don't have a problem with it. That's my thought on "detaining" that exceeds 72 hours. In most cases, you either know or not if the arrest is planned or not within the first day. Again, I'm not sure if recent news is the "media" talking or the LEAs talking. I also recognize the agency did not do the right thing on that first group to El Salvadore. I'm sure they considered it a "W" just to see what they could get by with.'

    The other issue is semantics. Since deportation isn't a "criminal" charge, the standard is much a much lower threshold. AND "detain" may be the correct word. Since they're not criminally charging the offender and can be based on non-criminal evidence and charges. If you want to raise the bar and call it criminal, you have to change all the immigration laws to criminal law.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on May 3, 2025 9:53 am
    OD,
    You are halfway there in answering the questions about Trump's deportation of immigrants.

    You are correct that "deportation isn't a 'criminal' charge, the standard is much a much lower threshold." Deportation is a civil proceeding.

    As you know in a civil proceedings there is no possibility of the defendant being sentenced to prison. Hence, there is a lower level of due process rights in a civil case than in a criminal case.

    However, Trump isn't just deporting immigrants, he's imprisoning them in El Salvador. Therefore, there needs to be a criminal trial with all the constitutional protections which means at least a judge of the judicial branch (not just an administration employed immigration judge) overseeing the case. Btw, I am not saying that Trump is giving deportees who are not being imprisoned all their constitutional rights.

    I believe you also know that even "bad people" in America are afforded due process and all the other relevant constitutional rights. So any examples of Albrego Garcia's alleged bad behavior are irrelevant.


  35. by oldedude on May 3, 2025 2:01 pm
    curt- As you know in a civil proceedings there is no possibility of the defendant being sentenced to prison. Hence, there is a lower level of due process rights in a civil case than in a criminal case.

    However, Trump isn't just deporting immigrants, he's imprisoning them in El Salvador. Therefore, there needs to be a criminal trial with all the constitutional protections which means at least a judge of the judicial branch (not just an administration employed immigration judge) overseeing the case.


    What I've been trying to tell you is that I disagree with that. The fact they were/are shitbags in the country they came from should have no weight on our process. IF we were to do that, then "AGAIN," we would have to charge them with the criminal statute and is another country's law. That's plain stoopid. We can't do that by international law. If they're afraid of their government because they broke that country's laws, we have an obligation to send them back according to international law.

    IF they are in fear of their lives because your drug cartels, rapists, and kidnappers, or a revolution or other war is wrecking their country, and "assuming" they are not part of the side that wants us dead, that's a different story, if they come in legally. Which is not the case with most of them deported. That is illegal and you get sent back for that. It's in the law.

    So any examples of Albrego Garcia's alleged bad behavior are irrelevant.
    Albrego-Garcia is a poster child for what not to be. He's already a four striker. He broke the law in his country (he was a gangster). He came legally to the states. He got booted legally and returned illegally. Then he beat his wife. Twice. And he was a gangster here. He has four deportable charges on him. There is a hearing for him. His chargeable crime (felony) was in El Salvadore (which is a life without parole sentence). MD is really behind times with their domestic abuse cases. Even 40 years ago, CO domestic abuse cases the victim could not be threatened to drop charges, because the victim is considered "the State."


  36. by Indy! on May 3, 2025 2:08 pm

    You forgot the speeding charge, OD. Definitely a deportable offense in Foxworld.


  37. by oldedude on May 3, 2025 7:14 pm
    I also didn't put in the human trafficking, which is where your mommy "came" from.


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