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New estimates indicate that Elon Musk's DOGE might not achieve any savings
By Curt_Anderson
April 28, 2025 9:20 am
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Elon Musk’s DOGE claimed to have saved $160 billion, but it may have cost Americans atleast $135 billion -- Financial Times

As The New York Times reports, DOGE hasn’t been cheap for the federal government:

The Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit organization that studies the federal work force, has used budget figures to produce a rough estimate that firings, re-hirings, lost productivity, and paid leave of thousands of workers will cost upward of $135 billion this fiscal year. At the Internal Revenue Service, a DOGE-driven exodus of 22,000 employees would cost about $8.5 billion in revenue in 2026 alone, according to figures from the Budget Lab at Yale University.

Put those two figures together and you’re approaching $145 billion in costs. And that’s not counting, as the Times notes, the legal fees the federal government is incurring to defend against dozens of lawsuits contesting DOGE’s authority.A White House spokesman defended the cuts in a statement to the Times, saying, “It’s important to realize that doing nothing has a cost, too, and these so-called experts and groups are conveniently absent when looking at the costs of doing nothing.” It should be noted that DOGE’s costs up front might be more expensive than in subsequent years.


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Comments on "New estimates indicate that Elon Musk's DOGE might not achieve any savings":

  1. by Indy! on April 28, 2025 9:23 am
    We're talking about Leon... the man who paid $44B for twitter and turned it into a $4B company virtually overnight. It was also one of the most popular apps on the internet and now it's basically invisible outside of the Fox crowd.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 9:29 am

    $37,000,000,000,000+


    I don't trust your sources, but...

    What stuns pb is what you progressive Swampcultists celebrate.

    So, DOGE crashes and burns and you're high firing each other?

    Go for it!!!!!


  3. by Curt_Anderson on April 28, 2025 9:37 am
    DOGE says it’s saved the federal government $115 billion. However, the team’s claims have consistently included inaccuracies and inflated numbers, stoking criticism for its chaotic approach and lack of government expertise.



    DOGE Claimed It Saved $8 Billion in One Contract. It Was Actually $8 Million.
    The biggest single line item on the website of Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team included a big error.


    DOGE team's "wall of receipts" shows errors in tallying billions in savings
    fortune.com
    nytimes.com
    cbsnews.com


  4. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 9:49 am

    "DOGE says it’s saved the federal government $115 billion. However, the team’s claims have consistently included inaccuracies and inflated numbers, stoking criticism for its chaotic approach and lack of government expertise."

    Yay! Eh?

    Let's get that national debt up to $45,000,000,000,000 before 028! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeha!


  5. by oldedude on April 28, 2025 9:50 am
    hearsay and speculation. The same thing as you believing the polls that said cackle mc kneepads would win the presidency. Wait until things are done before you embarrass yourself.


  6. by meagain on April 28, 2025 10:03 am
    The administrative chaos it is causing will cost far more than it could possibly save.


  7. by Indy! on April 28, 2025 12:05 pm

    The two Brown Shorts on this board tell us why we're this far in debt and never getting out. They have no clue what the problem is - much less how to solve it. For you two, it's very simple - even simple enough for you to understand it...

    We have 2 areas we can cut that will make a difference...

    Medicare and the military.

    The ONLY way we can do that is...

    1) Switch to a true universal healthcare program (to cut medicare and give the middle class the largest tax cut in the history of tax cuts)
    2) Cut the military (and the "security" apparatus) by a minimum of 50%.

    But even after we do that (which will never happen) - we would also need to raise the tax rate on the top bracket exponentially. Put it back in the 60-70% tax rate area would be a good START.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 12:11 pm

    Indy,

    Even if you're right, Dems... your best bet... won't do it.


  9. by meagain on April 28, 2025 12:17 pm
    Interesting that you mention Medicare, indy. I read this morning that American healthcare costs are 34% administrative. In Canada it is 17% but only 3% for what is covered by the Unuversal, single payer system.


  10. by Ponderer on April 28, 2025 12:18 pm

    Plus -

    Scientists fear Trump administration cuts to NIH could impact the health of Americans for generations

    “Deaths from heart disease are down by 75% in the last 40 years. That's NIH. Deaths from stroke are down about 75%. That's NIH,” says Dr. Francis Collins, who spent 32 years at the National Institutes of Health. Since January, 1,300 NIH employees have been laid off, and more than $2 billion in research grants have been canceled [by DOGE]."


    Brought to us by the, ehem, "Pro Life" Party.



    Donna
    cbsnews.com


  11. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 12:30 pm

    Donna,

    $37,000,000,000,000+

    What's your plan?


  12. by Curt_Anderson on April 28, 2025 12:47 pm
    $37,000,000,000,000+

    What's your plan? ---HtS


    See my post at link below where I allude to a solution. When it comes to public debt you and your fellow xenophobes are part of the problem.
    selectsmart.com


  13. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 1:12 pm

    Do I understand?...

    Allow people to enter/remain in the country without legal documentation so they're forced to live under the radar and be paid less than minimum wage and denied benefits legitimate employees are required to be given?

    And, I'm a xenophobe?


  14. by Indy! on April 28, 2025 1:19 pm
    by meagain on April 28, 2025 12:17 pm
    Interesting that you mention Medicare, indy. I read this morning that American healthcare costs are 34% administrative. In Canada it is 17% but only 3% for what is covered by the Unuversal, single payer system.



    Not only that, meagain - the reason healthcare costs are exploding is because of administration costs. The actual health "care" costs are rising at a very reasonable clip - approximately the same as the cost of living (like everything). But administration costs are ballooning pushing up cost. IOW - the paper pushers are way overpaid and they keep adding them to the problem making it worse. This is one of the issues a universal healthcare system would solve immediately upon the programs start.

    I always use a very simple formula to explain why we pay more than any other country for healthcare...

    Our cost for healthcare is twice as much as countries with viable universal systems (X2)

    And what we get for that money is HALF as effective (again - X2)

    That means we're paying approximately 4 times the rate (2X2=4) we should be paying for what we get when it comes to healthcare. The reason we can't get anyone to believe this or work to change is because our system is rigged to keep the failing capitalism system alive.


  15. by Curt_Anderson on April 28, 2025 1:34 pm
    HtS,
    Who says they should remain undocumented? We need mass importation with immigrant workers paying into Social Security, paying income and other taxes. There should not be ridiculously long waits to legally enter America. It is especially counter-productive to eject foreign college students.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on April 28, 2025 2:48 pm

    "There should not be ridiculously long waits to legally enter America. It is especially counter-productive to eject foreign college students."

    Ole pb's been saying that since The ONE was practicing Chicagoland politics in the Oval Office.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on April 28, 2025 3:31 pm
    I have an idea on how to save government money: Invest in tie-down straps.

    US Navy loses $60 million jet at sea after it fell overboard from aircraft carrier
    cnn.com


  18. by Indy! on April 28, 2025 3:50 pm

    Good lord...

    A US official said that initial reports from the scene indicated that the Truman made a hard turn to evade Houthi fire, which contributed to the fighter jet falling overboard.

    So we're supposed to believe an AIRCRAFT CARRIER made a "turn" that was "hard" enough to cause a jet fighter to fall overboard? 🙄


    Now THIS part I can believe...

    “Sailors towing the aircraft took immediate action to move clear of the aircraft before it fell overboard."


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