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Does anyone here follow the betting markets?
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April 21, 2025 7:14 pm
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I'm just wondering what the odds might be out there on the possibility that Trump has been an actual agent working directly for Putin, and will prove himself so within his term in office?

It is literally feeling like even odds to me.

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  1. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2025 7:32 pm
    I don't follow betting markets. Trump may not officially be a Putin agent, but he sure does a lot things that benefit Putin, and I am not just talking about Trump's dealings with Zelenskyy and Ukraine.

    Trump administration halts funding for two cybersecurity efforts, including one for elections
    ATLANTA (AP) — The Trump administration has cut millions of dollars in federal funding from two cybersecurity initiatives, including one dedicated to helping state and local election officials.

    It’s the latest move by Trump administration officials to rein in the federal government’s role in election security, which has prompted concerns about an erosion of guardrails to prevent foreign meddling in U.S. elections.
    apnews.com


  2. by oldedude on April 21, 2025 7:51 pm
    But pedojoe had MANY MORE identifiers.

    The "diamond" that just happened to "disappear" after pedojr went into a chinese owned "jewelry" store. And the money laundering for Russians that couldn't use USD in the US. And who threw an illegal gun into the trash and had secret service go fetch it like a couple of dogs digging through trash. The guy who's family made BILLIONS of USD from kickbacks, schemes and illegal contractor bids. So far, pedojoe (I will continue to use this "title" until it's proven wrong) has "pardoned" all of his family from prosecution when he was in someone's orifice. Because of the "pardons" we can call out those who had knowledge and were co-conspirators in his crimes, which pretty much include his entire family.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2025 8:15 pm
    I love how HtS and OD "defend" Trump by complaining about Hunter Biden.

    The measure of corruption is quid pro quo. Quid pro quo literally translates to "this for that" in Latin. To make a corruption case you need to be able cite what "that" was done for the "this". In Trump's case there are a lot of "thats" that he does for Putin. The "this" that Putin gives Trump is Russian interference in our elections.

    For those who cannot believe that Putin would interfere with other countries' elections read this:

    Russian Interference: Coming Soon to an Election Near You
    Russia pursues a systematic strategy of undermining elections and influencing public opinion in the West. EU and NATO countries must recognize that Moscow often acts through agents within their own borders, and build resilience to such interference. Continued at link.
    carnegieendowment.org


  4. by oldedude on April 21, 2025 9:30 pm
    The measure of corruption is quid pro quo. Quid pro quo literally translates to "this for that" in Latin. To make a corruption case you need to be able cite what "that" was done for the "this".

    Unfortunately, I actually understood "quid pro quo" in the 1980's. So lets start with that.

    You've shown NOTHING that is quid pro quo that is "usable" in court. You've got "Innuendo and hearsay."

    We have legally admissible documents (please read the fine print) that say that exact thing. So if you can produce that "evidence" according to "federal precedence" let me know. Because what you have right now is bullshit. Prove me wrong and we'll talk. You only have your "feelings" against trumpster. Never any legal evidence. So you know what? FUCK YOU. YOU HAVE NOTHING.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on April 21, 2025 10:00 pm
    "We have legally admissible documents" ---OD

    I say you don't have legally admissible documents. If there is any evidence of Joe Biden doing "quid" for "quo", in which court was it introduced?

    As for Trump, in his first impeachment trial evidence of a quid pro quo was introduced.

    Trump blocked but later released payment of a congressionally mandated $400 million military aid package to obtain quid pro quo cooperation from Volodymyr Zelenskyy to announce an investigation into Joe Biden, and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine–⁠not Russia–⁠was behind interference in the 2016 presidential election.

    United States ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testified that he worked with Giuliani at Trump's "express direction" to arrange a quid pro quo with the Ukraine government.

    In Trump's defense, Alan Dershowitz argued that while a president can be impeached for committing a criminal act, irrespective of motive, the idea of a quid pro quo being a basis for removal from office requires that Trump's "quo" be illegal, which he argued it was not.
    cnn.com


  6. by oldedude on April 22, 2025 12:00 am
    The measure of corruption is quid pro quo. Quid pro quo literally translates to "this for that" in Latin. To make a corruption case you need to be able cite what "that" was done for the "this".

    First, I EFFing know what "quid pro quo" is.

    The diamond for their intel communications balloons being able to fly over all our nuclear sites and handed complete access to our communications. Times 3.


  7. by oldedude on April 22, 2025 12:12 am
    And don't forget the loose money release to Iran (x2). These were in unmarked bills and given straight to the Iranian government. If there is any "government" YOU should feel violated about (like some boy getting into your mommies' knickers) it should be Iran or China. China is a dispensatory to Iran. I know you don't give a shit about Iranian missiles in terrorists or Russians hands, and it's happening. Especially in Ukraine and Yemen.


  8. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2025 4:10 am

    "I love how HtS and OD "defend" Trump by complaining about Hunter Biden."

    For example?


  9. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2025 4:14 am

    BTW, I check Polymarket from time to time. It nailed the 024 election. And, it's user-friendly.

    It's featuring odds on the new Pope and NBA match-ups.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2025 6:39 am

    Polymarket:

    polymarket.com


  11. by Ponderer on April 22, 2025 6:59 am

    "Trump may not officially be a Putin agent, but he sure does a lot things that benefit Putin, and I am not just talking about Trump's dealings with Zelenskyy and Ukraine." -Curt

    The idea has been making a lot of sense to me, Curt. It's seeming eminently possible and even quite likely to me that he has been getting groomed by Putin ever since the two met in the previous century. Nothing was ever guaranteed of course. But I could see Putin thinking even way back then that he couldn't have found a better candidate to turn into a sleeper agent who could get into American politics and the government.

    Whether Trump knew that's what he was or not.

    Putin is a master manipulator. Trump is a master at manipulation also, but Putin makes him look like a piker. And with all of Putin's KGB skills and having anything that might be needed to turn and tempt Trump to his will, I don't see how it could be an idea not worth at least seriously considering.

    I can imagine all the talks they've had and all the things that Putin drove into him about how America was holding Trump back. How "American democracy" was an impediment to him and his goals. Putin surely picked up on how much Trump admires him and the whole Dictator lifestyle. He probably even gave him tips on ways that he could take over the government if he ever got into the White House. Perhaps he even floated the idea to Trump of the two of them ruling the world together or some such, playing on all of Trump's tells and blatant desires and psychological vulnerabilities.

    His ties to Russia started back in the mid 80's and what do you know, Trump's first considerations of getting into presidential politics were in the late 80's. He actually entered the race in 2000 and got a few thousand votes in a primary. We all recall how he went back and forth throughout the aughts for so long about whether he was going to run or not. All the while, he's getting deeper and deeper into his "real estate" deals with Russian oligarchs and mafioso, happily saving his financially incompetent ass every time it became necessary.

    I mean, think about it. What in the world has Trump got to feel devoted or indebted to America for? Yeah, it's been a splendid source for gullible rubes and scamming opportunities for him.

    But allegiance???

    Trump has no allegiance to anyone or anything but himself. His loyalties are placed wherever, on whatever, and on whoever he thinks will benefit him the most. And those loyalties will evaporate as if they never existed the instant that they no longer can do him any good. We've seen it and seen it over and over and over again.

    And if he sees Putin offering him the deal of the millennium, it seems to me that it isn't at all difficult to imagine that it was a deal he simply couldn't refuse. For a myriad of reasons. Some of which we may never even know.

    So here we are, with everything finally in place for him to pull the trigger on the Big Plan. His first term was just a dry run. January 6th was just practice. All the blocks and hinderances have been identified and taken into account this time. For an enemy of this country who would love nothing more than to bring the United States to is financial and global knees in any and every way possible, Trump appears to me to be the Golden Boy they such an enemy could have only dreamed about.

    It explains every destructive, seemingly idiotic thing Trump has ever done as president that has brought about nothing but chaos and turmoil. I can imagine Putin having tutored him, during on all those phone calls he won't talk about, as to what he could do to create the most destruction to help him and the most lucrative payouts for Trump. And I can hear Putin telling him, "Just do what you want to do! What are the courts going to do about it if you already control all the branches of government that could do anything about it?". I can see Putin using Trump to tenderize America up for a real shindig of a bar-b-que. Why wouldn't Putin want such a situation? And why would he have not done what he could over a long period of time to bring such a project about? He has had everything he needed to pull it off. And Trump's BFF status with him makes him the goose that lays the golden eggs.

    Try this: From here on, any time he does something gargantuanly stupid and pointlessly destructive to this country, think to yourself, "Would this help Putin if he had plans to destroy this country?". I've been doing that for quite a while now and lemme tell you, I haven't said no a single time.

    To me, Occam's Razor is at play here. It really is the simplest answer.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on April 22, 2025 8:14 am

    "Trump may not officially be a Putin agent, but he sure does a lot things that benefit Putin, and I am not just talking about Trump's dealings with Zelenskyy and Ukraine." -Curt

    "The idea has been making a lot of sense to me, Curt. It's seeming eminently possible and even quite likely to me that he has been getting groomed by Putin ever since the two met in the previous century. Nothing was ever guaranteed of course. But I could see Putin thinking even way back then that he couldn't have found a better candidate to turn into a sleeper agent who could get into American politics and the government." -po


    This from supporters of "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" who all but invited Putin to invade Ukraine. Bahaha.

    Can you say, "Deranged?" See, I knew you could.


  13. by oldedude on April 22, 2025 8:31 am
    I say you don't have legally admissible documents. If there is any evidence of Joe Biden doing "quid" for "quo", in which court was it introduced?

    I've mentioned all of these numerous times. You need to put the crack pipe down and start remembering things.

    It's banking records, which were getting ready to be introduced in the pedojr trial when pedojoe cleared his entire family of any wrongdoing by presidential "pardons."

    And then there was the $20 BIL contract pedojoe gave to his brother to build crappy housing when pedojoe was VP, drawing the notice of obomber.

    pedojoe didn't sanction the billionaire linked to Hunter — despite actions against prominent Russians. pedojoe himself touted in a press release that it adopted “more than 2,500 sanctions” so far to cripple Russia’s economy and halt the war, but Baturina again skated by as about 200 more people and entities were sanctioned Friday. She sent pedojr $3.5 billion to an investment firm that pedojr owned when pedojoe was VP. The money went through junior's accounts. Banking records are routinely used in corruption cases.

    Since January 2017, the Committee on Oversight and Accountability has accelerated its investigation of the Biden family’s domestic and international business practices to determine whether the Biden family has been targeted by foreign actors, President Biden is compromised, and our national security is threatened. Records obtained through the Committee’s subpoenas to date reveal that the Bidens and their associates have received over $20 million in payments from foreign entities.

    Emails from the laptop show Hunter Biden passed along funding requests to then-Vice President Biden from the crown prince of Yugoslavia and the crown princess of Serbia, as well as peddled access to his influential father to cash in on construction contracts in Colombia.
    nypost.com
    nypost.com
    oversight.house.gov


  14. by Indy! on April 22, 2025 8:44 am

    "Whataboutism" - the ploy OD and Brown Shorts always use to defend their orange ass monkey master - is basically saying "two wrongs make a right"...

    "Your guys did wrong, so we can do wrong too"

    Which tells us they weren't raised right. But - OTOH - if "both" parties can always find a finger to point at the other party anytime their party is accused of doing wrong... what does that tell us?

    That both parties are always wrong. When you vote for the "lesser of two evils" - you're still voting for evil.


  15. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2025 8:55 am
    Gosh OD, I thought you had some sort of legal training or at least some familiarity. You claim there are legally admissible documents that prove Joe Biden is corrupt. You sure went to lot of effort to post a swing and miss. So I will ask you again.

    I say you don't have legally admissible documents. If there is any evidence of Joe Biden doing "quid" for "quo", in which court was it introduced?

    It is inconceivable that if any existed that Trump, MAGA, congressional Republicans wouldn't have used it by now in a courtroom trial with Joe Biden as the defendant.


  16. by Indy! on April 22, 2025 9:04 am

    Oh yeah... Indy was WAY ahead of the curve on this one. 😉



  17. by oldedude on April 22, 2025 1:37 pm
    I say you don't have legally admissible documents. If there is any evidence of Joe Biden doing "quid" for "quo", in which court was it introduced?
    Hey dumbass. The report from the oversight committee IS a lawful document. Court documents were prepared for pedojr that link that money with pedojoe. pedojr pleaded out on that, which got overturned because the judge felt the deal showed favoritism from the pedojoe's DOJ. They were waiting for another court date (same information, bank records, etc for $1.5MIL in unpaid taxes, falsifying income information to the tune of several million, and illegally purchasing a pistol. The information on the chinese diamond, kickbacks from Russia, Romania, Ukraine, and China from 2014-2016 alone. Also included in that kickback scheme was all the information on Baturina, (known in the Russian Oligarchy as being close to Putin) who got pedojr to launder $3.5MIL for her. We know that was part of the deal because of what pedojr made from that deal that eventually was dispersed throughout the family.

    The Chinese got a free balloon ride over our strategic nuclear military bases, a wonderful deal on tariffs, and us standing down in the South China Sea. They also got a pass on illegal inadmissible aliens coming in through Mexico and Canada. Many of the illegals and getaways have been arrested photographing US bases.

    The Russians got a pass on Ukraine. vlad the Impaler was able to trade in USD instead of Rubles.

    Same citations you didn't read.


  18. by Curt_Anderson on April 22, 2025 3:26 pm
    OD,
    You are still wrong about "legally admissible evidence". You got nothin'. If there was any, Biden would have been hauled into court. Don't think Trump wouldn't do it if he could.

    No a congressional committee hearing is not a courtroom. For example, hearsay, testimony quoting what someone else said, is generally inadmissible in court due to the lack of ability to cross-examine the original speaker. However, congressional committees are not bound by court rules of evidence, including hearsay rules. Consequently, they are free to allow hearsay testimony, and they typically do so.

    You may remember how MAGA-world howled and whined about Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony before a Democratic led committee complaining it was hearsay.

    In case you wondered, the rules of an impeachment trial are stricter than a congressional hearing. In his impeachment hearing, important evidence against Trump wasn't hearsay, or would be admissible in an ordinary court of law under some exception anyway.
    justsecurity.org


  19. by meagain on April 23, 2025 11:34 am
    The Congressional Committee's Report is not evidence at all. Admissible or not. It is a speculative compilation of accusations and rebuttals. Each item in its makeup would have to be presented in Court with supporting evidence for each to be heard separately.


  20. by Indy! on April 23, 2025 12:47 pm

    Love when OD pretends he knows law and then gets shut down like every other time he pretends he knows law.


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