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The Left is Flat out LIARS About Kilmar Abrego Garcia'
By oldedude
April 2, 2025 1:31 pm
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Yes, the lefties are showing their true stripes. First, curt, princess and others support the rape trees and don't care about human trafficking (of mostly women and children). donna and po are passively supporting them by saying nothing. Then, donna, po, wrongagain, and others take a definite stand supporting terrorism. The interesting thing is the people they support would murder them in the society they want to turn the world into. donna and po would be (literally) stoned or scourged to death. To the glee of the onlookers.

Now, perfectly within expectations of their hatred (to include bob and navy) of the US, they're supporting gang members that beat and rape women. No shock there.

Here's the truth. Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is an admitted MS13 member. The filing stems from a lawsuit over the removal of Garcia, a Salvadoran national who in 2019 was granted protected status by an immigration judge, prohibiting the federal government from sending him to El Salvador.

Garcia fled El Salvador at the age of 16 in 2011 after he faced threats from gang members there attempting to extort his parents and was granted protection from deportation in 2019 by a judge who determined he could be targeted by gangs if he returned, according to court filings.

During the hearings for him trying to stay in country, his "defense" was that if he went back to El Salvador, a rival gang would kill him. He was on the standby list to go and there were no notations to keep him in country. Ergo. An MS13 gang member went back to his country. Is his wife involved? I would suspect that, but haven't heard anything.


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  1. by Donna on April 2, 2025 1:58 pm

    Trump said thar Garcia was erroneously deported.


  2. by Ponderer on April 2, 2025 2:01 pm

    And yet, he still was entitled by the United States Constitution to receive due process, which he did not get.


    This is the point that olde dude refuses to address. Trump is violating the Constitution with this horseshit banana republic dictator crap. Just wiping his fat orange ass with it. Like we knew he would once he had the chance again. We tried to tell you, but would you listen...? Noooooo...


  3. by Donna on April 2, 2025 2:05 pm

    "Here's the truth. Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is an admitted MS13 member." - od

    I didn't find such an admission in either of your sources.



  4. by Curt_Anderson on April 2, 2025 2:28 pm
    "Here's the truth. Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia is an admitted MS13 member."

    Even if that were true, being a member of street gang is not a crime in itself. Participating in the gang's criminal activities of course could be a crime. But a case has to made about a particular crime, not just some vague allegations.

    Even then, a person has to be arrested, charged, have a trial, a chance to defend themselves and get all due process rights. That goes for everybody including undocumented immigrants. Anyone on U.S. soil is protected by the constitution's stated right to due process — even a person who illegally entered or stayed in the country.


  5. by Donna on April 2, 2025 2:30 pm

    Here's what I found, and I've read essentially the same info from several sources, and they all refute what you said, od. Even the two sources you gave don't corroborate some of your claims.

    ***

    "The central justification ICE offered for Abrego Garcia’s 2025 arrest and removal was that he was a “ranking member” of the MS-13 gang. But that accusation, repeated by top officials, is not backed by a criminal conviction, hard evidence, or corroborating police reports.

    The only basis for the claim appears to be a single informant who told federal authorities in 2019 that Abrego Garcia was affiliated with MS-13.


    Meanwhile, Abrego Garcia consistently denied the allegations and continued living peacefully in Maryland for years. He complied with immigration check-ins, worked full-time, and raised his child without incident. The immigration court that granted him protection found that he was at risk from gang violence — not part of it — further undermining the government's narrative.

    The Final Answer Kilmar Abrego Garcia was not a US citizen, but he had been legally protected from deportation due to the real dangers he faced in El Salvador. The US government’s claim that he was a high-ranking MS-13 member rests on a single, unverified informant tip and was never proven in court or supported by independent investigation."


    timesofindia.indiatimes.com


  6. by Ponderer on April 2, 2025 2:37 pm

    I hesitated to just call olde dude a liar in my previous post until I saw some confirmation to the fact. And now I have.

    Olde dude is a flaming, bullshitting liar.


  7. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 2:48 pm
    po- Sorry if the facts are a nuisance to you.


  8. by Ponderer on April 2, 2025 2:54 pm

    That's okay, od. I know you're also a moron too. I forgive you.


  9. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 2:56 pm
    The only basis for the claim appears to be a single informant who told federal authorities in 2019 that Abrego Garcia was affiliated with MS-13.

    I know you really, really hate to read the whole story. Like I said. HE ADMITTED to being a gang member in his court date filing for asylum "because a rival gang would kill" him. You can't have a "rival" gang if you're not a gang member yourself.

    I also know you won't ever change on this, since you appreciate the rape and murder of women, and gang wars in the streets. I hope your middle-class suburban is right in the middle of it. Where they've outgunned the police. And the bullets go right through your walls.


  10. by Ponderer on April 2, 2025 4:31 pm

    And yet, he was still entitled by the United States Constitution to receive due process, which he did not get.

    Why do you think that he didn't deserve due process, od... even though he was guaranteed it by the United States Constitution...?


  11. by Indy! on April 2, 2025 6:31 pm

    By passively not supporting Garcia's Constitutional rights, Old Dud is taking the position that he doesn't believe in the U.S. Constitution. Therefore he is not defending the Constitution as required by all members of the U.S. military. If this were a movie, right now Ed Harris would be saying quite sternly...

    "Old Dud, you've taken an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies... foreign and domestic and failed to do so. At this time you are officially considered an enemy of the United States of America! Hand over your welfare checks, your garbage bag full of parking lot cig butts and your official U.S. military trash picker stick NOW!"


  12. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 9:20 pm
    And yet, he was still entitled by the United States Constitution to receive due process, which he did not get.
    Like I said already. I covered this and the laws that would affect him. If you agree with the law or not, I don't care. If you don't like it, change it. Otherwise STFU.

    Why do you think that he didn't deserve due process, od... even though he was guaranteed it by the United States Constitution...?

    In some cases, he isn't. AND, he wasn't charged with a crime, he was simply deported. I, for one, haven't read the information on him. And you haven't brought any "facts" (just hearsay) to the whole thing. You're using a third party that has no credence whatsoever and calling it "fact." I like to see the facts first. I fell for your bullshit enough that I don't trust anything either of you say without a reliable source. I've said that and you still refuse to bring that source in. Ergo, you have no FACTS. And then you picked up your little cheerleader girlfriend and party favor to support. That also tells me not to believe the story. I trust her less than I do you.


  13. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 9:22 pm
    ... I trust "it" less....


  14. by ROB3RT on April 2, 2025 9:48 pm

    The people who are going to decide the next election don't care about this guy's constitutional rights. They care about the cost of living, they care about the border, they want to live in a place where people aren't sleeping and shitting on sidewalks.

    You want to help this guy? Make sure Republicans are defeated in the mid-terms. You're not going to win any votes talking about due process. Nobody outside your liberal bubble cares.

    Trump just handed Democrats a sledgehammer with the word tarrifs written on it. Use the hammer, return to power, let your team nominate and confirm judges that believe in the constitution. That's the only way to help this guy. It's also the only way to save the country.


  15. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 9:51 pm
    I agree with your first sentence. If crime is going down, that is a very important part of "security and safety."

    I've brought up Maslow before, this is just more proof. But no one understands the concept of it, so there's that.


  16. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 10:05 pm
    Yesterday, 2025.04.02.
    The Trump administration is defending the arrest of a migrant who was shipped off to El Salvador’s hellhole mega prison by mistake — alleging that he is an MS-13 gang member with a history of human trafficking.

    A judge granted him protection from deportation in 2019 after he filed a petition for asylum, despite him sneaking into the country illegally in 2011.

    On Tuesday, Department of Homeland Security’s spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin hit back at critics who have painted Abrego Garcia as an innocent victim of Trump’s fast-moving deportation raids.

    “Whether he is in El Salvador or a detention facility in the U.S., he should be locked up,” McLaughlin said on X.

    Abrego Garcia is a “member of the brutal MS-13 gang,” adding that DHS has “intelligence reports that he is involved in human trafficking.”

    He was then put on a one-way deportation flight to El Salvador’s Terrorism Confinement Center as part of President Trump’s use of the 18th century Alien Enemies Act, which allows the feds to remove migrants without a trial.

    By Garcia’s own admission, he illegally entered the U.S. sometime in 2011. Eight years later, on March 29, 2019, Garcia went to a Home Depot to solicit employment illegally. He was subsequently arrested by the Prince George County Police Department, which transferred him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody. ICE then began deportation proceedings against Garcia, and when Garcia sought to be released on bond before his hearing, a judge denied his bond, finding that “the evidence show[s] that he is a verified member of MS-13.” A Department of Justice Executive Office of Immigration Review panel later upheld that finding.


    washingtonexaminer.com


  17. by HatetheSwamp on April 3, 2025 3:49 am

    Gang,

    I was traveling yesterday and am waaaaaaay behind on this but, big picture, it strikes me that our members of the woke progressive Swampcult are now viewing illegal alien mob members, rapists and murderers in the same way that they view Palestinians who collaborate with Hamas...

    ...based on a Tim Miller, who these days only ever lies, rant...

    ...that their support of these thugs is a new variation of their antisemitic hate.

    Having said that, I'm concerned that the limited due process available to illegals, will be denied them.


  18. by Indy! on April 3, 2025 7:06 am
    The people who are going to decide the next election don't care about this guy's constitutional rights. They care about the cost of living, they care about the border, they want to live in a place where people aren't sleeping and shitting on sidewalks.


    Correctamundo. Problem is Trump is handing the Ds all these election victories that have been happening lately, so they'll continue on their merry way not giving a crap about Americans who aren't in their economic class. I quit watching all the political crap around 2016 when Bernie got screwed. Lately I've tuned into a couple shows just to see if anything has changed and the only that's different with the Ds is they have more gray hairs. Same losers in office, same losers setting the media agenda... More "Trump is bad, we're not quite as bad" crapola. If it's any wonder why the country is going down the drain, it's because we're stuck in a cycle of nothing ever changes. The Acceleration Theory is happening right now so there is some hope to be had - but it's the hard way to get to change. The Ds could actually offer a couple good ideas and we wouldn't have to burn down the house before fixing it.


  19. by oldedude on April 3, 2025 7:42 am
    Lead- I'll agree with that. The difference between conservatives and sheeple is that we see the people who are forced to pay "protection" money, or have their houses/ apartments broken into. And then again, there are the "Laken Reiley" stories.

    I think we've made it clear that the folks that came in the right way commit very little crime. They come in, make jobs and the parents work their butts off to make it better for their kids. You know, the American Dream? It's those that aren't vetted, and entered illegally that are the issue.

    I'm very clear about the terrorists and gangsters coming in "other than normal" routes. What fascinates me are the Chinese. Think about it. In a country where you are continually watched, and the "credit card" that all Chinese have is tracked by the CCP.

    And these folks are coming in droves, mostly covertly. The number of Chinese nationals arriving at the U.S. border illegally has surged more than 6,300% in recent years, further fueling national security concerns that came back into focus last week when a Chinese immigrant was stopped at a Marine base. In 2023, U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported 37,000 Chinese citizens were apprehended crossing illegally from Mexico into the U.S.…that's 50 times more than two years earlier. Under the Biden administration, the majority of Chinese illegally entering the U.S. were single, military age men. They total more than 176 U.S. Army battalions.




    homeland.house.gov
    msn.com
    cbsnews.com
    msn.com


  20. by meagain on April 3, 2025 7:58 am
    "illegal alien mob members, rapists and murderers "

    I was not aware that the topic was Trump's character and qualities.


  21. by Donna on April 3, 2025 10:48 am

    olde dude - Trump said that Abrego Garcia's deportation was in error, but that he can't do anything about it.

    From Newsweek:

    Abrego Garcia was born in July 1995, in the Los Nogales neighborhood of San Salvador, El Salvador's capital, according to a court filing from 2019 seen by Newsweek. His mother ran a business selling pupusas, a traditional Salvadoran dish of griddled flatbread, with the family all helping out.

    He testified then that when the Barrio 18 gang realized the business was making money, it tried to extort his mother Cecilia with rent demands. If she couldn't pay, the gang said, Abrego Garcia's older brother Cesar could join the gang instead. The family paid the money and hid the boy, eventually sending him to the U.S.

    The gang turned their attention to Abrego Garcia, then around 12 years old, following him and continuing to make threats to the wider family. They eventually sent him to the U.S. as well in around 2011 or 2012. He allegedly crossed the border illegally.

    In 2016, he met his now wife, Jennifer Stefania Vasquez Sura in the U.S. She had two children from a previous relationship, and the pair had a child together in August 2019. All three have special needs.

    During his immigration hearing that year, the Salvadoran told the judge then that he feared returning to his home country because of the potential threat of persecution and torture. He applied for asylum, but that option is only available to those who have been in the U.S. around a year. By that point, he had been stateside for about seven years.

    The judge agreed there was a significant threat posed to Abrego Garcia if he was returned home, and despite ordering his removal, barred ICE from sending the migrant back to El Salvador. He was then released from detention and frequently checked in with ICE.

    "The judge found he was in MS-13 and then granted him protection from a rival gang," a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson told Newsweek Wednesday.

    Abrego Garcia, his wife, and attorneys all deny he has ties to the gang, with a March 24 filing from the lawyers stating that "the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation"...

    His attorneys claimed, and ICE later confirmed, that the only verification came from a form filled out by the Prince George County Police Department, which based his membership on the fact that "he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie; and that a confidential informant advised that he was an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique" – a group based out of Long Island, New York...

    "Through administrative error, Abrego-Garcia was removed from the United States to El Salvador," Robert L. Cena, acting field office director for Enforcement Removal Operations (ERO) in Harlingen, wrote in a sworn statement, in which he added: "This was an oversight, and the removal was carried out in good faith based on the existence of a final order of removal and Abrego-Garcia's purported membership in MS-13."

    Cena said that ICE was aware of the 2019 order barring Abrego Garcia from deportation to El Salvador — it was on internal paperwork. On March 15, as other illegal immigrants were struck off the flights' manifest "for various reasons", Abrego Garcia moved up the list, Cena said. That list did not include the note, which appears to be the genesis of the "administrative error."

    Attorney Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg said in a response Wednesday that this was "an outrageous set of facts," and demanded the court seek to fix the error.




    newsweek.com


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