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Palestinians Take a Brave Move. They actually take to the streets against Hamas.
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March 25, 2025 5:06 pm
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I have to think this is going to be a blood bath from a real set of Dictators. This is going to be tough on the civilians, and Hamas will have Iran's help. So I'll be thinking about them.
 
Palestinians take part in largest anti-Hamas protests in Gaza since start of war

Palestinians demonstrated against Hamas in northern Gaza on Tuesday, in what appeared to be the largest protest against the militant group since its attacks on Israel on October 7, 2023.

Video obtained by CNN showed large crowds, estimated to be thousands of people by a CNN journalist on the ground, marching through the streets of Beit Lahia in northern Gaza, chanting “For god’s sake, Hamas out,” “Hamas terrorists” and “We want an end to the war.”

A message shared on social media appeared to call for nine anti-Hamas demonstrations across Gaza on Wednesday, with the protest organizers saying, “our voices must reach all the spies who sold our blood.”

“Let them hear your voice, let them know that Gaza is not silent, and that there is a people who will not accept to be eradicated,” the message continued.

CNN has not been able to verify the original source of the message.

The protests come after the death toll in Gaza surpassed 50,000 on Sunday, according to the health ministry in the enclave, with no end in sight.



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  1. by Curt_Anderson on March 25, 2025 5:50 pm
    Good. That is the way this hostage situation must end.

    My fellow Democrats here will attest that I am not very sympathetic with the Palestinians' plight. That mainly because they voted Hamas in. Polls showed wide approval for Hamas within Gaza after October 7.

    I have said as a general rule citizens get the government they deserve and usually want. Hamas no doubt are thugs and cruel, but at some point the citizens have to throw off the yoke.
    bbc.com


  2. by Navy2711 on March 25, 2025 7:29 pm
    Curt,

    "That mainly because they voted Hamas in."

    Honest question: Did they have better options? If, beginning a century ago, America were sloooowly invaded, and its citizens pushed into a handful of non-contiguous states, blockaded and fenced in (<< Disclaimer: not all Israel's fault) might we not have also turned to extremism?

    In fact, haven't we already voted in violent thugs to address injustices against us? I mean, eight months after the illegal invasion of Iraq, we voted in Dubya for a second time. I know this isn't a perfect comparison, but neither is the 3,000 that we lost on 9/11 to the tens of thousands of Palestinian deaths in this decades-long conflict.


  3. by oldedude on March 25, 2025 8:55 pm
    As I have said many times before, and attempted to express myself in this case. I think the civilians are going to be on the losing end of this. My feel is they're going to be murdered in the streets. Welcome to a true despot dictatorship. Your "heros" will go house to known house to take people in the streets and shoot them in the back of the heads. If "dad" doesn't confess, they'll drill the first son through the temple alive. I described that before if you were watching. Another half of Palestinians will be murdered from what the Israelis have done before this is over. But none of the sheeple will recognize that. They'll only blame the Israelis.

    All the bullshit you attempt to put through for trump, you need to actually live in the real world for a second.


  4. by oldedude on March 25, 2025 11:28 pm
    I find it interesting that someone with an intelligent viewpoint won's answer in this thread. Although I don't think there are anyone here that fits that.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on March 26, 2025 12:13 am
    Navy,
    Gazans could have voted for the secular Fatah party when they had their last election. But they are mostly religious zealots. By any measure, Palestinians are right-wingers. They are a homophobic lot ok with hanging accused gay people. Even our resident Trumpers haven't advocated that. Palestinians are not big on the rights of minorities.

    There is a lot of talk about Palestinians' "right to return". What they really need is the right to leave. The Russia-Ukraine war and the Syrian civil war produced millions refugees. For reasons not known to me, the world--including the middle east--is not welcoming Palestinian refugees. On second thought, I can see why liberal democracies aren't eager to have more religious fundamentalists in their midst.

    JERUSALEM, Dec 13, 2023 (Reuters) - Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct, and the ensuing Gaza war has lifted support for the Islamist group both there and in the West Bank, a survey from a respected Palestinian polling institute found.




    reuters.com


  6. by ROB3RT on March 26, 2025 12:28 am
    Curt, I'm mostly in alignment with you, but this isn't completely cut and dried. Let's not forget that Netanyahu's hands aren't exactly clean.


    The Times of Israel
    Op-ed
    For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
    The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from
    timesofisrael.com


  7. by oldedude on March 26, 2025 6:56 am
    For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
    The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from. For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
    The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal


    Hamas is the government of their neighbor. Unfortunately, it's an extremely hostile relationship. There would be a lot more Palestinians dead if he treated them as a hostile nation. With all the issues the US has, the prime minister of Israel is a no-win proposition. When they get a more liberal PM in, they get attacked. Then they get Bibi (again), and the world blows up about it.

    It would be advantageous for Hamas to be gone. I don't see that happening. And right now the joker's wild and it's a waiting game to see who has it.


  8. by meagain on March 26, 2025 7:31 am
    Only in America! The only major country in the world that defends Israel in this. Votes at the United Nations illustrate it.

    It appears that you all seem to know little of the background in Palestine and I am not going deeply into it. 700.000 Palestinians were driven out of what is now Israel and their land turned over to Israel at its creation. A majority of Gazans and the West Bank are descendants of those dispossessed. Israel has oppressed and murdered them ever since: keeping all of Gaza as the world's largest open prisoner where the population is not able to develop.. It cannot function as a society because Israel controls what it can do.

    At the same time, Israeli settlers are, with their government's permission and encouragement, violently establishing themselves on the West Bank.

    Is Hamas any surprise?

    50.000 Gazans have been murdered, 15,000 of them children. Aid workers and medical staff have been targeted and killed. The InternationalCriminal Court has labelled it a genocide and Netanyahu a war criminal. Before this genocidal invasion, it is laughable to call it a war, Israeli troops and West Bank settlers, killed Palestinians at a rate many times larger than 'terrorists killed Israeli's.

    The exchange of hostages for prisoners should be instructive. By what tight are thousands of Gazans in Israeli jails? Arrested in their own country by a foreign power that controls every facet of its citizens'lives.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on March 26, 2025 7:42 am

    50.000 Gazans have been murdered, 15,000 of them children. Aid workers and medical staff have been targeted and killed.

    Hey, meagain. I can sell you a historic NYC bridge... if you're interested. I'll make you a great deal. Bahaha ha.


  10. by oldedude on March 26, 2025 4:38 pm
    Lead- and after "claiming" he was pro-Palestinian, and NOT pro- Hamas, he just defended the terrorists🙄.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on March 30, 2025 3:32 pm
    "Curt, I'm mostly in alignment with you, but this isn't completely cut and dried. Let's not forget that Netanyahu's hands aren't exactly clean." --ROB3RT

    Estimates for German civilian deaths during World War II range from 500,000 to 2.5 million, with the most common estimates being around 600,000 to 800,000.

    I suppose a person could lament the "innocent" German civilians who were killed. They could even point out that Josef Stalin's hands weren't exactly clean. Would that mean that the Allies were unjustified in their assault on Germany? Should more diplomatic routes have been explored?

    I cannot help but think what Americans would expect our government to do if some Mexican cartel (or any criminal gang) kidnapped or murdered about 1200 US citizens at a music concert. Would we consider a demand that we release hundreds of convicts in exchange for each hostage? Would we allow our citizens to be held for a year and half? I cannot imagine that we'd tolerate any of that.

    I hear people fervently advising what Israel shouldn't do, but very little of what they should do to resolve the situation in an expeditious manner.


  12. by meagain on March 30, 2025 7:30 pm
    Curt! Mexico is approximately 50 times the size of Gaza in population. Would you justify the killing of 2.5 million Mexicans and more to come as a response? Or the destruction of every hospital in the country. The destruction of 80% of civilian homes. All its museums and cultural institutions. Most of ts 100 million citizens living in tents. Cut off all foreign aid and food supplies. Shut off its water supply. All because Mexican drug cartels committed a terrorist act against America. Starve the civilians.

    That is not a false equivalency. It is fact and all the damages I mentioned have been done to Gaza.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on March 30, 2025 7:52 pm
    Meagain,
    In the Mexico analogy the correct course would be more strategic. The Israeli hostages are presumably in tunnels within in the 100 square mile confines of Gaza. I find it hard to believe that no Gazans can point to the tunnel entrances so a rescue can be accomplished.


  14. by HatetheSwamp on March 31, 2025 6:13 am

    Preach it, Curt.

    I can't help concluding that meagain is, simply, an anti-semite and he's merely shuckin and jivin to avoid acknowledging the truth.


  15. by meagain on March 31, 2025 8:11 am
    Why would Gazans give them away. They may not like Hamas but they have good reason to detest Israel. Gaza has been occupied territory by Israel for decades and all its citizens have been oppressed prisoners in their own country.

    Imagine German occupied France. The French resistance comprised Right Wing conservatives, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists. Groups that hated each other but hated Germany more and the people sheltered them.

    And, Hate, your posts are not worth answering.


  16. by HatetheSwamp on March 31, 2025 8:24 am

    meagain,

    "Why would Gazans give them away. They may not like Hamas but they have good reason to detest Israel."

    You can't possibly be that stoopid.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 8:43 am
    "Why would Gazans give them away." --meagain

    You mean the hostages? The locations of the hostages?

    If Gazans don't or won't then they are collaborators of Hamas and not worthy of much sympathy.


  18. by meagain on March 31, 2025 1:25 pm
    Collaborators of Hamas. I thought I had made that clear. Israel is the enemy, not Hamas. Getting rid of Israeli occupiers is far more important than ridding themselves of Hamas.

    The hostages would have been released long ago if diplomatic sources had been used. Netanyahu is as responsible as Hamas for the deaths of so many in captivity.


  19. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 2:05 pm
    I don't know what you mean by "diplomatic sources" that isn't already happening. Various countries' diplomats have been negotiating with Hamas and Israel. So far Israel has released about 40 Israeli held prisoners for each single hostage. That is a tremendous disparity.


  20. by ROB3RT on March 31, 2025 5:26 pm

    Curt:

    I noticed you quoted me then left a comment that had no visible relation to anything i said, so here's a quick question....

    Netanyahu helped prop up Hamas and weaken Palestinian moderates for his own political advantage.

    In retrospect, did that make the Hamas attack on Israel more or less likely?




  21. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 5:51 pm
    Robert,
    The connection I made was likening Netanyahu to Stalin. Stalin didn't have clean hands either with his numerous atrocities. Stalin also entered into a pact with Hitler before the war which enabled Hitler to attack Poland.

    Despite all that we were on Stalin's side in WWII. History justifies that alliance. Because Hitler, like Hamas, was worse than the alternative. The Allies bombed and killed German civilians including those who probably didn't want anything to do with the Nazis.

    Netanyahu like Stalin before him contributed and perhaps created the situations which cost innocent people their lives. So do we simply say "both sides are terrible" and let the October 7th aggressor off the hook and let the hostages rot?





  22. by ROB3RT on March 31, 2025 7:04 pm

    So I'll take that as a: "Yes, Netanyahu made the attack more likely by propping up Hamas."

    Do you think there might be a lesson here for all the Israelis who voted Netanyahu into office?




  23. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 7:21 pm
    Of course! Two of my close friends are non-American born Jews who have a similar dismal opinion of Bibi that we do of Trump. They fault Netanyahu for the Gaza hostage crisis but cast the real blame on Hamas. My friends resent the higher standard that Israel is held compared to other countries.



  24. by ROB3RT on March 31, 2025 7:56 pm

    Curt:

    I'm not making an argument about higher or lower moral standards, or about right and wrong. My comment is more a practical observation that if you're tired of getting whacked in the head, don't step on any more rakes.

    If Israelis care about their own people, maybe they should stop electing politicians who prop up terrorist groups, who then in turn attack Israeli citizens.

    Netanyahu was dealing with his own crisis on 10/6, but he has used the attack to hold onto power. Anybody who props ups a terrorist group to advance his own political ambitions is a cynical bastard. Bibi has no reason to try to free the remaining hostages. They're the only people keeping him out of jail right now.


  25. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 9:15 pm
    Robert,
    Unlike the US, the Israeli head of state can be hauled into court. Netanyahu is on trial currently for a scandal dubbed "Qatar-gate". I don't know the details, but look it up. So the hostage crisis is not a "stay our of jail" card or even the same "wag the dog" situation it might be in the US.

    There is an election coming up. Netanyahu has been polling around 30%. That sounds like a losing percent except they have a parliamentary system in which a widely unpopular candidate can win an election even though a big majority of the voters reject him.


  26. by ROB3RT on March 31, 2025 9:30 pm

    Well, Curt, didn't you recently say every country gets the government they deserve? Have you and your Jewish friends pondered why Israel deserves a crooked bastard like Bibi?


  27. by Curt_Anderson on March 31, 2025 9:42 pm
    My friends haven't heard my postulation and may be disinclined to agree with me.

    But for starters, I'd say Israel made the same mistake a lot of middle-eastern countries do and have declared themselves a state with an official religion. They also have political parties that are overtly religious and dogmatic (read prejudiced).

    One of the greatest gifts Our Founders bestowed upon us was keeping religion mostly away from the operation of the government.


  28. by oldedude on April 1, 2025 11:12 pm
    I'd say Israel made the same mistake a lot of middle-eastern countries do and have declared themselves a state with an official religion.

    Oh ye of little actual knowledge... You're "mistake" is WHY Israel actually exists as set up by the UN charter. You really need to read your bullshit before you post it. I'm sorry, but this is actually in the wiki and you can't look it up? You don't belong on the site, much less "own" it. You can't look anything up to check your own fictitious beliefs. Between you and wrong again, I don't know who's worse. Although when you have a supporting citation, you maybe use it. In this case? nottachance.


  29. by meagain on April 2, 2025 2:35 pm
    I don't think Israel does have an official state religion. It has freedom of religion and guarantees it.

    I haven't looked it up but I believe that us the way it works.


  30. by oldedude on April 2, 2025 3:03 pm
    I went ahead and checked it out. You are correct. Israel does treat the Muslims better than the Palestinian "government" does. They can drive, have jobs, shop without a male family member escorting them, and all the other things that in your country and mine are just expectations.

    Religious Freedom in Israel: Equal Rights in the Jewish State “The State of Israel … will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.”

    Israel’s Proclamation of Independence, 1948

    In 1948 Israel’s founders committed the fledgling country to be a Jewish state, but ensured the free practice of religion for all, regardless of religious affiliation. While Israel does not have a constitution, the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, over the years enacted Basic Laws that protect freedom of religious affiliation and practice.

    Israel’s 2019 population of roughly 8.4 million people is 75 percent Jewish, 18% Muslim, 2% Christian, and 1.6% Druze. The remaining four percent includes immigrants from the former USSR, some non-identifying and others who identify as Jewish, but do not meet the Orthodox Jewish definition of “Jewish.” There are also communities of Samaritans, Karaites, Ahmadi Muslims, Baha’is and various small (in Israel) Christian churches. And on the far end of the spectrum, there are even some Pagans and Witches in Israel.

    honestreporting.com


  31. by oldedude on April 3, 2025 5:30 pm
    I have a question. What do people think about Palestinians taking to the streets against Hamas? There seems to be more potential trouble brewing. In that view;

    1. Do you support the overthrow of the present government?

    2. If there is a revolution, should Israel support a side, and if so, which one?

    3. What would you like to see as an end result?


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