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RFK Jr. is performing as expected By Navy2711 March 19, 2025 10:05 am Category: Politics (5.0 from 1 vote) Rules of the Post & Tips. Write & edit articles How To Post Here

Which is to say that he's performing as a scientifically illiterate moron would.

I mean, what could go wrong when you choose an anti-vaxxer as your head of Health and Human Services? I'm sure Kennedy's next announcement will be to recommend cod liver oil and vitamin A for the birds.


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Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nation’s top health official, has an unorthodox idea for tackling the bird: Let the virus rip.

Instead of culling birds when the infection is discovered, farmers “should consider maybe the possibility of letting it run through the flock so that we can identify the birds, and preserve the birds, that are immune to it,” Kennedy said recently on Fox News.

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by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 10:24 am What's wrong with it? by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 11:42 am If you don't understand what's wrong with having a scientifically illiterate moron in charge of HHS, you might be a scientifically illiterate moron. by HatetheSwamp on March 19, 2025 12:06 pm I'm not a scientist. School us. by oldedude on March 19, 2025 1:15 pm Encountering pathogens is actually how your body learns to resist them. “Adults who are frequently exposed to viruses that cause upper respiratory infections can develop antibodies against them,” Dr. Watkins says. That’s why it makes sense that Kiersten S., 39, a high school teacher in Lewes, Delaware, was pretty much always sick her first few years of teaching, but got ill less often over time. Is it true that kids in day care eventually build up immunity and may even have fewer illnesses when they’re older? Yes. There is a higher illness rate among children who are placed before age 2-1/2 in day care centers compared with children who were cared for in their homes. So while children placed in day care early do tend to get sick more often, they also stay healthier than other kids later in elementary school, apparently because of a strengthened immune system. As a kid, Mumps and chicken pox were "kid diseases." This system has been around for at least 200 years in the US. Pox parties, also known as flu parties, are social activities in which children are deliberately exposed to infectious diseases such as chickenpox. Such parties originated to "get it over with" for a particular illness or because childhood infection was less severe than infection during adulthood. If your group has a history of getting the sickness, you actually had play dates for the kids to get them sick. At that age, there was no damage to the gonads that leave them sterile later in life. I got mumps, measles, and chicken pox that way. Now I don't have to worry about being around people with them. So it's a choice. Would I do that with polio? Absolutely not. Smallpox? Naddachance. Would I do it post pubescent? NO. I got jabbed once for COVID, haven't gotten it since. Friends and family have been jabbed every chance they got, and they got COVID several times. My wife got no shots, and got COVID at least twice. Lesson in that? The shots did little, as the government finally admitted. Did it lessen the COVID. maybe. I thought the Vanderbuilt study was pretty good. self.com my.vanderbilthealth.com en.wikipedia.org by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 1:31 pm OD, when you tucked your tail between your legs and ran away from my question last night, I was worried that we were done forever. If you're talking to me again, come back over to this thread and answer my very simple question. https://selectsmart.com/post/index.html?article=6089 selectsmart.com by oldedude on March 19, 2025 2:41 pm I was very clear in my last post. You're just too stupid to understand plain english. Which I pity you for. Piss off if you can't read it. by oldedude on March 19, 2025 6:46 pm Inside One Biden Admin COVID Decree That Upended Countless Careers In a brief Oct. 12, 2021, Zoom call, the Biden administration sought the counsel of four experts on their policy of mandating COVID-19 vaccines for a swath of workplaces together employing 100 million people. Three of four medical experts favored a prior infection with COVID-19 contributing to vaccine mandates, the Daily Caller News Foundation has learned. Two of these experts said a prior infection should count as one dose of the two dose mRNA vaccines. (RELATED: Check Out The Family Ties Of House Dem Championing Status Quo At NIH) Despite repeatedly telling the public to trust the science, the Biden administration ignored its handpicked experts. The administration determined that a prior infection with COVID-19 would not count toward vaccine mandates because of the bureaucratic hurdles that policy would pose, one of the outside experts has said. 11 Lessons from U.S. Schools that Stayed Open During the Pandemic In the COVID-19 Data Dispatch’s “Opening” series, we profiled five school communities that successfully reopened during the 2020-2021 school year. In each one, the majority of the district’s or school’s students returned to in-person learning by the end of the spring semester — and officials identified COVID-19 cases in under 5% of the student population. Through exploring these success stories, we found that the schools used many similar strategies to build trust with their communities and keep COVID-19 case numbers down. dailycaller.com by Navy2711 on March 19, 2025 7:07 pm OD vouches for exposure to build resistance, then tells us how much he likes the Vanderbuilt study that tells us to stay home and get the fucking vax. Incredible. How ... HOW do OD and Hate fuck it up every single time? by oldedude on March 19, 2025 8:55 pm 😎 by Curt_Anderson on March 19, 2025 10:10 pm “That’s a really terrible idea, for any one of a number of reasons,” said Dr. Gail Hansen, a former state veterinarian for Kansas. [If] H5N1 were to be allowed to run through a flock of five million birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Dr. Hansen said. Large numbers of infected birds are likely to transmit massive amounts of the virus, putting farm workers and other animals at great risk. “So now you’re setting yourself up for bad things to happen,” Dr. Hansen said. “It’s a recipe for disaster.” by oldedude on March 19, 2025 11:02 pm That sounds reasonable. I'd listen to it. Just like I do the other side. I know what I'm going to do and not do regardless. There are some shots I keep up on. Tetanus, Typhoid, Dengue (which actually happens down here) to name a few. MMR only when the government made me. We used to get smallpox, but I'm not eligible anymore. It makes you feel like crap, but it's better than getting it. by HatetheSwamp on March 20, 2025 4:13 am "That sounds reasonable. I'd listen to it. Just like I do the other side." Right, OD! I vividly remember members of the SS woke Swampcult, people who had jobs like working in grocery stores, fully believing that were authorities on the efficacy of the COVID vaxes and of, say, ivermectin. What is it about being woke that makes one a sanctimonious know-it-all? Oy freakin friggin EFFINvey! by oldedude on March 20, 2025 5:31 am So I reread both of the evaluations. [If] H5N1 were to be allowed to run through a flock of five million birds, “that’s literally five million chances for that virus to replicate or to mutate,” Dr. Hansen said. Large numbers of infected birds are likely to transmit massive amounts of the virus, putting farm workers and other animals at great risk. “So now you’re setting yourself up for bad things to happen,” Dr. Hansen said. “It’s a recipe for disaster.” I see some differences is what his scenario is, and JFKJ's. I'm still listening to him, but these distinctions may clarify the differences in thought. 1. No disease "is allowed to run through the flock." The fact is that it does that automatically as I've discussed. 2. The birds are already transferring "massive amounts of the virus." 3. blablabla So. I do agree that letting (any) disease run amok just to see who the survivors are is stupid. I'm still on track with that. The idea is coming from a different angle. If the vet wants us to take out a farmers birds, that decision is made up by the farmer. For those birds alive that were couped next to the sick bird. 1. what's the incubation for the disease? 2. Are they dead yet? If not, then can you segregate the close birds and have an agency or research University take the bird to see if they get sick. The farmer and the agency communicate with each other. If the chicken doesn't get sick, it's tested (I'm sure the chicken gets dead at some point). The difference is the Vet is assuming the farmer lets the whole flock get the disease and the farmer does nothing. I'm not sure that's correct. If 15 people are living in an apartment. One doesn't get sick and the rest do. You may want some blood samples about "why" that happened. Obviously, you need to look at other factors in both scenarios. blablabla. We didn't have anything like that for COVID. Why did friends and family get jabs as often as possible and still get COVID multiple times. I think that's worth looking at. And the answers may be worth more than big pharma wants. Anyway. Just a thought. Again, if the vet is pro vaxxing, he may not see the costs of getting rid of the entire flock immediately. by oldedude on March 20, 2025 7:58 am Or if he has TDS. My thought also, is the idea shouldn't have come from RFKJ, who should stick with "people." Brooke Rollins hasn't been confirmed yet. Agricultural is rudderless at this point. That should be her lane to say (assuming confirmation). by Navy2711 on March 20, 2025 10:14 am Hate, "I vividly remember members of the SS woke Swampcult, people who had jobs like working in grocery stores, fully believing that were authorities on the efficacy of the COVID vaxes and of, say, ivermectin." What is your profession? by HatetheSwamp on March 20, 2025 10:27 am I'm retired. BUT, I'm not claiming expertise that enables me to pass judgment on and criticize the US Secretary of Health and Human Services. Your whole thread has you doing that. by oldedude on March 20, 2025 2:56 pm Lead, Remember he's an admitted troll. So he'll lie about everything you say. I don't even answer it anymore. by Navy2711 on March 20, 2025 4:29 pm Hate, But you DO pass criticism on any number of public figures holding a variety of offices. And, just like the grocery store worker, you don't have ANY experience in the field of the people that you're criticizing. by oldedude on March 20, 2025 8:37 pm Lead- case in point. He's nothing more than a psychopathic* narcissist.** If I don't answer, he gets pissed. Which is funny, because being a sociopath, he has to control everything and everyone. It's no wonder he'll die alone. *A psychopath is defined as a mentally unstable person characterized by an egocentric and antisocial personality, marked by a lack of remorse for one's actions and an absence of empathy for others. Psychopaths often exhibit manipulative and deceitful behavior, and they may engage in criminal activities. **Symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and how severe they are can vary. People with the disorder can: Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require constant, excessive admiration. Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. Be critical of and look down on people they feel are not important. Expect special favors and expect other people to do what they want without questioning them. Take advantage of others to get what they want. Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others. Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot and come across as conceited. merriam-webster.com by Curt_Anderson on March 20, 2025 9:21 pm RFK, Jr. Wants to Let Bird Flu Spread on Poultry Farms. Why Experts Are Concerned Health secretary RFK, Jr. has repeatedly suggested that farmers should let bird flu spread through flocks. Experts explain why that’s a dangerous idea. Here's What RFK Jr. Got Wrong About H5N1 Bird Flu — "This is Hollywood science, not real science," one expert said scientificamerican.com medpagetoday.com by HatetheSwamp on March 21, 2025 3:56 am "But you DO pass criticism on any number of public figures holding a variety of offices. And, just like the grocery store worker, you don't have ANY experience in the field of the people that you're criticizing." Navy, In our Constitutional Republic, it's actually our duty to offer criticism,... or praise... of the way government is operating. However,... ... what you're doing is doing it as if you are a PhD scientist. That's all I'm saying. You lack the expertise, as far as I know. by meagain on March 21, 2025 8:38 am Lesson in that? The shots did little, as the government finally admitted. Did it lessen the COVID. maybe. You seem to fall on both sides of this, OD. In parts of your posts, you are favouring vaccination. In other parts, you deny its efficacy. As in this. The facts of Covid vaccinations are clear. There is not a single case anywhere of a person who is fully vaccinated dying from COVID-19. that is out of the millions who did die. Also, infectious disease experts and hospital doctors, say that the ICU units were filled with Covid cases but no vaccinated persons among them. You point to the reasons yourself. And Curt did, too. Some diseases mutate rapidly and vaccination will always be needed to keep up with the new strains. The Common cold is a Covid virus and it may never be preventable for that reason. Some diseases do not mutate quickly and immunity can build by exposure. However, it comes with a cost in that there are often lifetime consequences. As with Covid. The unvaccinated are highly likely to suffer from Long Covid while vaccinated people who do get Covid, usually, but not always, do not. by oldedude on March 21, 2025 8:57 am You seem to fall on both sides of this, OD. In parts of your posts, you are favouring vaccination. In other parts, you deny its efficacy. As in this. You're correct. I have talked about not being an absolute on either side. For example, polio is something I would get. And I'm kind of sad I don't get the smallpox anymore. Both of these have had a long history of being good vaccines to get. Being military and deployable at the stroke of a pen, we kept up on our shots. Even plague and a bunch of others that isn't released to most folks. I took those because the areas we worked in were usually not the best places on earth. COVID is one of those things I trusted the government with the first time. Then there's more and more information (some of it I watched as I said). It seemed useless to me. Interestingly enough, I am just getting well from septic pneumonia (RSV) that started in mid November. Apparently, RSV's had a small "bump" almost everywhere in the nation. I was one of the stats. AND I had taken the pneumococcal (pneumonia) shot. So there's that. I had to laugh a little when I got better. So, you are correct. Like most things in my life there are very few absolutes. My world has never been black and white. Nor is it gray. It's 3D and technicolor. by Navy2711 on March 21, 2025 10:39 am Hate, You implied that the grocery store worker is disqualified from holding informed opinions about vaccines because of their work. But you also hold opinions about vaccines, and your work doesn't provide you with any more expertise than a grocery store worker. (And of course, that's the case with everything that we hold opinions about that our work isn't related to.) You're being hypocritical — period. Every discussion on this board where you wind up being wrong follows a standard procedure. We're at the point in that procedure where you've realized you're wrong, you can't admit it, and so you just keep tap-dancing. You're next post will be as non-sensical and/or evasive as your claim that "... blah blah blah PhD scientist." by HatetheSwamp on March 21, 2025 10:52 am "You implied that the grocery store worker is disqualified from holding informed opinions about vaccines because of their work." No. I questioned the pontificating on the efficacy of Ivermectin which, I'm they'd never heard of. by Navy2711 on March 21, 2025 11:28 am Just call me Nostradamus2711. by oldedude on March 21, 2025 1:52 pm There is not a single case anywhere of a person who is fully vaccinated dying from COVID-19. Percentage share of COVID-19 Deaths by Vaccination Status= Fully vaxed with Booster, 30 Jurisdictions in the U.S., September 2021 to August 2022, Age 18 and Over % of people dead from COVID 19, fully Vaxed with Booster. Dec, 2021- 5% Jan, 2022- 12% Feb, 2022- 15% Mar, 2022- 20% Apr, 2022- 36% May, 2022- 38% Jun, 2022- 38% Jul, 2022- 38% Aug, 2022- 36% Also, infectious disease experts and hospital doctors, say that the ICU units were filled with Covid cases but no vaccinated persons among them. A study on COVID vaccinated vs. unvaccinated that required hospitalization. My daughter-in-law's father was among them. And he died. He was required by his company to have the most recent jab available. They got emails about what date they had to be jabbed by. Click on the URL, the results are in a flow chart with hard numbers. This isn't just some yokol that decided to say something. You hero fauchi, said it and so did the Journal of the American Medical Association. Even your lame stream media was talking about it. Well it was US, so I doubt if you got it... kff.org news-medical.net nbcnews.com jamanetwork.com by meagain on March 21, 2025 2:03 pm I don't know where your chart came from, OD, but it is pure bloody nonsense! Fake. Take a look at the graph in the link. And see the very low number of vaccinated who died. And those did not have the booster shot. Imagine the flat line at zero there would be for the fully vaccinated. ourworldindata.org by oldedude on March 21, 2025 2:43 pm Like I said, "The Journal of the American Medical Association" and a quote from your hero, Fauci. And another professional medical journal. So you can argue with the AMA as much as you want. Same story as Columbia Law School. And my bet is that (as much as I don't like or trust him) fauci knows a fuckload more than you do about the situation. Go To Top

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