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While millions of Americans are whining about prices, Oregonians turn down free money.
By Curt_Anderson
November 7, 2024 10:48 am
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This would have meant $6400 for a family of four coming at the expense of large corporations. Very blue Oregon, not to mention two denizens of these pages, Rob3rt and I, voted against this tax/rebate. Some people are just more self-reliant and others.

(Newsweek)Measure 118 will be on the ballot for Oregonians this election. The law would call for a $1,600 direct payment to all Oregon residents.

(Statesman Journal)Oregon voters overwhelmingly rejected Measure 118 in the Tuesday general election.

Measure 118, known as the "Oregon Rebate," would have increased the minimum tax by 3% on businesses that have sales in the state above $25 million and distributed the proceeds to every resident who lives in the state for more than 200 days a year, including minors, starting in 2025.

NO 78.5% 1,382,862
YES 21.5% 377,649


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  1. by Indy! on November 7, 2024 11:52 am

    In a perfect world that would have been the correct vote. In 2024 America? Get everything we can from the billionaires. They are unnecessary and have been at war with the middle class and poor for 40 years. Meanwhile the middle class and poor keep voting like you and Robert... as if we need to be fair to a class of people who want to see us dead. You're the chickens and the billionaires are Colonel Sanders.


  2. by oldedude on November 8, 2024 4:37 am
    Not being wealthy, I also would have voted against it. If you're going to tax businesses, that makes their goods and services more expensive and increases consumer costs. All you're doing is re-distributing the money. Of course, the state has to have their cut also.



  3. by meagain on November 8, 2024 9:20 am

    It is difficult to comment without knowing whether the level of business taxes is adequate and whether the level of personal taxes is too high. In Canada and the USA, as well as much of Europe, the burden of taxation began ti shift from business to personal taxation 40 years or so ago.

    On the face of it, I would approve an increase in business taxes but not as a rebate in that manner. It should be applied to healthcare and social benefits, maybe educationwhile personal taxes might be reduced a bit.

    I don't have the information to be categorical about it.


  4. by Indy! on November 8, 2024 2:31 pm

    We need to go back to 90% income tax on everything over $1 million in earnings.


  5. by oldedude on November 8, 2024 6:22 pm
    Curt- your "assumption" there is free money is a pretty typical sheeple ploy. There isn't anything like that. The government must get the money from somewhere. That would be us. You and I. The more you tax businesses, the more things cost. And in order to keep them in business, it goes up by percentage. If the tax goes up 8%, the goods go up 8%.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on November 8, 2024 8:35 pm
    OD,
    The measure would have placed a 3% tax on businesses like Intel and Nike who have gigantic global sales. Those businesses would obviously pass the extra tax onto their customers, and probably not exclusively Oregonians. If you are not a customer of Nike, Intel or other Oregon-located companies you wouldn't even be paying that tax indirectly.

    The bottom line, for most Oregonians it would be free money with other people around the world paying for that tax indirectly.


  7. by oldedude on November 9, 2024 5:25 am
    curt- I need to restate this. I do recognize that OR did not pass the law. Good for them/you. I am a little surprised, but I think it's a good thing.

    This reminded me of the "repay college costs." You get the working class of blue-collar workers to pay back "entitled" "students" who the wasted time on "art" degrees and how horrible our government is.

    So I don't agree with the amendment and am happy OR didn't pass it. As you said.



  8. by meagain on November 10, 2024 7:55 am

    Wated time on art degrees, OD. It will be a sorry world when "art" degrees are looked at your way. Art degrees are what make us human.

    As a matter of interest, the Chairman of the Bank of Montreal in Canada years ago said that he prefers Arts degree graduates to business degree graduates because they have learned to think laterally.


  9. by oldedude on November 10, 2024 9:32 am
    In my referencing "art" "degree" is that many times it's wasted. Actually making a living with it like having an anthropology degree. You need something else to do unless you one percent that can make it. In my case, I routinely use that with princess because it's one of the 99% that had to find something different to actually make money.

    And, there's a lot of difference between princess and me. First, mommy and daddy couldn't pay for my degree. They were teachers, I have two siblings, and I didn't want to burden them. I paid my own way so I didn't have the luxury of wasting my time on anything.

    So I'm not anti- art or music.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on November 10, 2024 10:42 am
    OD,
    I was an art major, journalism minor in college. Professionally I worked as a graphic artist, copy writer (print ads, radio/tv commercials, brochures, etc.), art director, creative director, radio/tv commercial director. My last job working for an employer was as a marketing director.

    I never intended to wear a beret and paint portraits on a bridge over the Seine. My dad was an ad manager for a Milwaukee electronics firm, so I more or less followed in his footsteps.

    50+ years ago when I was in high school, our school counselors were pushing computer key punch programming as a career of the "future".


  11. by Indy! on November 10, 2024 11:03 am

    There are only two kinds of people in the world...

    1. Artists - who make the world what it is... the people who CREATE things.

    2. Plumbers - those who fix things they could not create if their lives depended on it.

    If there were a third - even lower level category - it would be government employees... the military, the parks and rec people, cops, etc... The people who can't do anything for themselves - they need structure and instruction to make a living - someone to tell them what to do. But as a token of board harmony, I will allow OD to declare himself a plumber. Better than being in the third row.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on November 10, 2024 11:59 am
    Indy,
    My son is a cop in Las Vegas. Yes, there is a lot regimentation, policy and procedure to follow. But most of the time he is on his own with no supervisor looking over his shoulder. He often is required to make split second consequential decisions, sometimes life and death decisions. He likes the autonomy of his job and the fact that everyday brings different challenges.

    Like you, my big decisions at work included what type font to use or the wording of a headline.





  13. by Curt_Anderson on November 10, 2024 1:07 pm
    Speaking of plumbers...

    In his memoir, “Talk of Champions,” former NBA point guard Kenny Smith shares that he was roommates with future billionaire David Kohler during college. That’s Kohler, as in the person who would go on to be the fourth generation of his family to own and operate the giant plumbing manufacturer of the same name.

    According to Forbes, the Kohler family is worth an estimated $16.2 billion. Smith was surprised to see his roommate sleeping on his couch instead of working for the family business.

    “‘Why didn’t your father just make you an executive?’” Smith, now an analyst on “Inside the NBA,” recalled asking Kohler at the time, in a 2023 conversation with radio personality Big Boy.

    “He said, ‘No, I’ve got to be a plumber first,’” Smith continued. “‘He's going to make me be a plumber and then I go through the steps so if I get an invoice as an executive for $7 for screws I know that they're really $3. So I know everything about the company.’”
    finance.yahoo.com


  14. by oldedude on November 10, 2024 6:21 pm
    Dad had his "stuff" together. My rule was that all my kids had to work in labour or services (restaurant, hotel, that sort of thing). They all did in their own way. Much of what they learned is that while some folks are great, others are just a**holes. They'll lie, cheat and steal from you while they were making less than $5/hour. They didn't like me too much then, but now they are telling their kids they have to do the same thing.


  15. by Indy! on November 11, 2024 12:22 pm
    Indy,
    My son is a cop in Las Vegas. Yes, there is a lot regimentation, policy and procedure to follow. But most of the time he is on his own with no supervisor looking over his shoulder. He often is required to make split second consequential decisions, sometimes life and death decisions. He likes the autonomy of his job and the fact that everyday brings different challenges.

    Like you, my big decisions at work included what type font to use or the wording of a headline.



    He's not creating and adding to the world. He's plumbing. Everyone has to make decisions on their own on every job - that's why they are employed in the first place. And - no offense, but my big decisions on the job go a lot farther than what font I'm using on any given headline.

    So far as queenie's nonsense about having to FORCE his kids to take jobs they didn't want? It tells us everything that he things bussing tables or doing dishes is hard work where you learn about life. That's how limited one's view is when they go career military and all they have to do is slack off until someone with more stars on their uniform tells them what to do. Absolutely NO concept of the real work environment.


  16. by Indy! on November 11, 2024 12:22 pm

    *thinks*


  17. by oldedude on November 12, 2024 8:50 pm
    My son is a cop in Las Vegas. Yes, there is a lot regimentation, policy and procedure to follow. But most of the time he is on his own with no supervisor looking over his shoulder. He often is required to make split second consequential decisions, sometimes life and death decisions. He likes the autonomy of his job and the fact that everyday brings different challenges.
    Curt- I think about your son and his safety a lot. If he's in north vegas, it's a shithole. Lots of death there. Drive-bys, etc. straight up gang issues. That oozes to downtown. So just know that. Obviously you're not reading or remembering what I did for 40 years. I actually did his job except it was on steroids. We were actually targeted at $25K for each time they could bring us out of the field (wounded or dead). A couple of us were gunned down on a main base. No one could rest, or sleep for seven months because people got a lifetime of money (literally in the shitholes we were in) just for killing us.

    My autonomy. When on a mission, it was complete. There were things you knew. Advising you were starting a line into a vein, and not so common, like opening up a trach tube, or advising on a tourniquet, deciding who dies and who lives, people The standard things: 9 line reports, requests for ammo, fixed wing, rotary wing, just someone to fucking cover from whomever could respond as we were being chewed to pieces because of some asshole in the COC chose their unit QRF over yours, even though the QRF was dedicated to you. which I'm sure your son has the same issues. The biggest issue on both ends are "shoot-don't shoot- situations. That's a lot different other than the obomber years. Once I received my "master" badge, I could make those calls in the field. And of course I was pulled back to making decisions for those at the LZ.I was also used for identifying HVTs killed by the seal, or other teams carrying out missions.

    So my life wasn't "what font to choose." We had a standard font. and we all filled in the form as prescribed, when we got back from a sketchy gunfight against small arms (AKs, PKs, AKMsm, RPKs) and dodging RPGs and simplex clusters, the vests loaded with 16kg of Semtex, or the vehicles loaded with a combo of semtex, and RDX/ C4. We had to know all their attributes. Obviously, our folks didn't give a shit what "font" we used. What they cared about was the impact on global terrorism, and to save lives in the real world.



    Like you, my big decisions at work included what type font to use or the wording of a headline.Bold


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