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Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza
By Curt_Anderson
October 17, 2024 10:14 am
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'Gaza's Bin Laden,' Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza

Israeli security forces carrying out DNA tests, after which Sinwar's death can be confirmed • No hostages present in area of strike, IDF says


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Comments on "Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza":

  1. by oldedude on October 17, 2024 12:49 pm
    I don't see anything negative in that report. Terrorist that ordered the murder of women and children. It's kinda too bad there was enough of him to get DNA from though. Keep those coming!


  2. by Indy! on October 17, 2024 3:18 pm

    DNA is obviously another thing the GOP doesn't understand.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on October 17, 2024 3:31 pm
    Sinwar wasn't vaporized. There was enough left of him to be recognized by the IDF forces. Then they matched his fingerprints.


  4. by Indy! on October 17, 2024 3:54 pm

    https://youtu.be/gnGgrneQxNk?si=okzg7MWIQ5Y0so0u
    View Video


  5. by oldedude on October 17, 2024 4:38 pm
    curt- that was my point. With the exception of having to question his "death" linger by the IDF, being "vaporized" (meaning there isn't enough of him to find🙄) is my preferred method because then he wouldn't have the chance to be buried. That would have kept him out of heaven for the rest of eternity. This was one of the problems with obomber using drones. And the military lost a lot of intel, so there's pros and cons to each method.
    And here we go with princess taking the side of the terrorists yetagain...


  6. by Donna on October 18, 2024 7:54 am

    Too bad that all that it took to kill Sinwar et al created thousands of future Hamas members, which some future Israeli PM will have to deal with. Bibi doesn't care about that, though, as that'll be someone else's problem.






  7. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2024 8:32 am

    Donna,

    Just curious. What, IYO, should Israel do?


  8. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 9:41 am
    Gazan reaction as reported by New York Times:

    Ahmed Awad, 21, whose university studies in design were interrupted by the war, said he had “lost hope” that it would end. But he, too, said he felt “a kind of relief” when he heard Mr. Sinwar had been killed.

    “Sinwar’s death may make some supporters of his sad and angry, but the majority of other people won’t feel that way because they lost everything,” Mr. Awad said. “He is gone now, and we will see what he has left behind.”



    Sinwar was an obstacle to peace. This won’t end without the hostages being released. Netanyahu or any national leader(s) can say, “oh well, we tried, it’s time to stop trying to secure the release of the hostages”.

    It’s up to Hamas (or maybe Gazans with pitchforks) to end this war be releasing the hostages.


  9. by Donna on October 18, 2024 9:56 am

    Hts: Gazans have literally nowhere to hide from Israel's missiles. Civilians are literally being burned alive by them, and relief efforts are continuing to be blocked by Netanyahu.

    Netanyahu has accomplished nothing. He's just kicking the can down the road. Doing nothing at all would have been better than what he did.




  10. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2024 10:03 am

    So, Donna? You think Israel should "turn the other cheek?"


  11. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 10:05 am
    Oops. I meant to say above:
    “Netanyahu or any national leader(s) canNOT say…”

    “end this war BY releasing the hostages”


  12. by Donna on October 18, 2024 10:12 am

    Actually, turning the other cheek would have been better for everyone.


  13. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 10:16 am

    One country is oppressing the other. The oppressor should stop.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 10:27 am
    Donna,
    I sincerely doubt that turning the other cheek after October 7 would’ve been better. Hamas would rightly conclude that if Israel didn’t react to their barbarically murdering 2000 citizens and taking another 200 or so as hostages, we should do something worse.

    No nation’s citizenry would accept meekly what Hamas did to obvious non-combatants without trying to get the hostages back.


  15. by Donna on October 18, 2024 10:44 am

    If Israel had simply kept a strong IDF presence around all of Gaza, the Oct 7th attack, the most deadly attack Hamas has ever carried out against Israel, wouldn't have happened. I maintain my theory that Netanyahu stood down and allowed that atrack to happen.

    But even if my theory isn't correct, the only pragmatic response would have been to significantly strengthen the IDF's presence around all of Gaza so that an attack like that could never happen again.



  16. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2024 10:51 am

    "If Israel had simply kept a strong IDF presence around all of Gaza, the Oct 7th attack, the most deadly attack Hamas has ever carried out against Israel, wouldn't have happened."

    Blame the victim!!!!!? You're kidding.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 11:03 am
    Donna,
    I agree that Israel should have been better prepared and defended against the October 7th attack, but that's besides the point.

    Blaming Israel is like blaming the Capitol police for January 6th because they were weren't prepared for an angry mob.

    You have to be able to distinguish the victims from the perpetrators. 6000 Hamas took part in October 7th. Many more Gazans voted for, supported and still support Hamas. Yes, I realize it's not all. Not all Germans were Nazis, but we went to war against Germany (who declared war on us first) not just Nazi Party members.

    It's all about the hostages now. They have to returned for this war to end.


  18. by Donna on October 18, 2024 11:03 am

    The only victims were the 1,200+ Israeli citizens that were slaughtered or taken hostage by Hamas. I'm obviously not blaming them.




  19. by Donna on October 18, 2024 11:08 am

    If you have an active threat and you don't take precautions to protect yourself and your loved ones, and they become victims, then yes, you are to blame for not protecting them.


  20. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 11:19 am
    Donna, they were not the only victims.

    On October 7th 3,400 civilians and soldiers were wounded, plus 251 were taken captive, some still may be captive or they are dead. It's fair to say the families of the dead and hostages are victims too.

    I also believe the Gazans are victims, but they are victims of Hamas who could end this today if the hostages were released. Not mention their using citizens as shields and constant rocket fire into Israel. Sinwar was committed to the annihilation of Israel and believed that any amount of Gazan "martyrdom" was worth the price.


  21. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 12:04 pm
    It's all about the hostages now. They have to returned for this war to end.

    This war will not end as long as we continue to support the apartheid state.


  22. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 2:33 pm
    Indy,
    That sounds like the Hamas talking.

    Two million Palestinians are Israeli citizens and make up about 20% of the population. Palestinians have served in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court and officially have the same legal rights as any citizen.

    Israel disagrees with the Hamas position that Israelis should vacate all the land “from the river to the sea”. Israelis also insists on defending themselves.
    en.wikipedia.org
    en.wikipedia.org


  23. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 2:33 pm
    Indy,
    That sounds like the Hamas talking.

    Two million Palestinians are Israeli citizens and make up about 20% of the population. Palestinians have served in the Knesset and on the Supreme Court and officially have the same legal rights as any citizen.

    Israel disagrees with the Hamas position that Israelis should vacate all the land “from the river to the sea”. Israelis also insists on defending themselves.
    en.wikipedia.org
    en.wikipedia.org


  24. by oldedude on October 18, 2024 2:43 pm
    It's all about the hostages now. They have to returned for this war to end.

    This war will not end as long as we continue to support the terrorist organizations.

    Hamas (ergo Iran, Hezbollah, etc) continually move the goal posts and refuse to talk. There is zero good faith effort and even Qataris are getting pissed at them. Hamas is getting their terrorists back at about a 10:1 rate. So while the Israelis are putting terrorists back into the mainstream to attack Israel again, the assholes give very little.

    What people don't realise😱 is this is a core issue for both sides. Hamas demands the elimination of Israel and all Jews in the world (that's in their charter). And of course, Israel has some issues with that. So the terms of this war are more like Chechnya where both sides are devoted to the total annihilation of the other.

    To throw a wrench in this goatfk, Iran has nukes that could have been ready 8 months ago. We're also already aware their desire to have a thermal-nuclear war to fulfill the Quaran. And regardless of what we think about that, they're convinced it's their ultimate pathway to heaven.


  25. by oldedude on October 18, 2024 3:33 pm
    Curt- I sincerely doubt that turning the other cheek after October 7 would’ve been better. Hamas would rightly conclude that if Israel didn’t react to their barbarically murdering 2000 citizens and taking another 200 or so as hostages, we should do something worse.

    Curt- I absolutely agree with that. Israel simply can't do that if it wants to remain a country. And have any population at all. If these folks smell blood in the water as you give an inch, they'll demand a mile and hound you until they get it.

    donna- to a reasonable westerner, you're correct when you say killing terrorists commits other terrorists to the fight. THIS is one of the issues. I also doubt killing asshole is going to get many non-family members into the fray.

    The problem is killing the soldiers. They all have extended families, so it's a lot like the Irish, where generational revolution has taken place. "My uncle/cousin/whatever was murdered by (fill in the blank) so now I have to revenge his death" And they both can go back hundreds of years to find a reason. Islam has revenge (or antaqam (انتقام)) down to a science, since really they're a tribal people and family names, and family honor are important. So you're not wrong about that piece. so for you, read your part first, and curt's afterwards

    antaqam (انتقام)
    revenge, retaliation, reprisals, vengeance, avenge, payback


  26. by Donna on October 18, 2024 3:50 pm

    "I sincerely doubt that turning the other cheek after October 7 would’ve been better. Hamas would rightly conclude that if Israel didn’t react to their barbarically murdering 2000 citizens and taking another 200 or so as hostages, we should do something worse." - Curt

    I'm impressed how you can read the minds of Hamas leaders.

    Israel's response to Oct 7th certainly wasn't better for the 40,000+ Gazans and their survivors or the refugees that total well over a million, or the tens of thousands of Israeli and Lebanon civilians that have been displaced as a result of Hezbollah's coubter-assault to Israel's annihilation of Gaza.

    Beefing up security between Gaza and the kibbutzes in southern Israel could have prevented all of the additional destrucion and bloodshed that has ensued since the initial terrorist act by Hamas.


  27. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 4:18 pm

    by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 2:33 pm
    Indy,
    That sounds like the Hamas talking.



    Curt - that sounds like OD talking. 😂


  28. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 4:43 pm
    Israel is ostensibly targeting Hamas members, Hamas fighters and their weapon caches. We can all agree there is way too much "collateral damage" with too many civilians being killed and non-Hamas building flattened. Of course Israel is looking for the hostages.

    The IDF apparently has greatly diminished Hamas (and Hezbollah) with notable kills of their leadership.

    Gaza has about two million residents. The 40,000 killed equals about 2% of their population.

    In a February BBC article, Israel claimed to have killed 10,000 Hamas fighters. More recently in Newsweek, "Israel Says It Has Killed Half of Hamas' Initial Force Size in Gaza".

    In other words, there are a lot more non-Hamas than Hamas members, although many Gazans are still supportive of Hamas. Somewhere there is a tipping point, when Gazans who are afraid of Hamas will start thinking that this isn't working out for them and that martyrdom is overrated. Then those millions of Gazans will turn on Hamas, much like the Italian partisans who shot Mussolini to death.

    Alternatively, Hamas itself will rethink their approach, surrender and return the hostages and seek a peace accord. Incidentally, if the hostages were returned, all the international pressure would be on Israel to cease hostilities.
    bbc.com
    washingtoninstitute.org
    newsweek.com


  29. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 5:03 pm

    Nice dream. You can put down the pipe now.


  30. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 5:22 pm
    Ok, Indy, what's your pipe dream about Gaza? None of know what will happen there, I just gave you what I consider the two most likely outcomes. I don't think Israel will ever surrender and allow Hamas to keep the hostages.


  31. by oldedude on October 18, 2024 5:23 pm
    donna- I'm impressed how you can read the minds of Hamas leaders.

    I'm sorry, I spent 35 of my 40 years studying terrorism. I lived it in Europe when you didn't even know there was terrorism. I was read in on the Aum Shinrikyo attack on the Japanese train with Sarin gas. I was read in on Trichothecene attacks in Asia. I started being read in on radical Islamic terrorism in the 1980's. I started getting read in on the reports of Munich, Köln, Stuttgart, and Ramstein. My master's degree is in International Intelligence/ Terrorism. I did multiple tours in the middle east. I speak Egyptian Arabic enough to be understood in any of the OPEC/ Egyptian nations, and parts of Africa. Just like my German and Spanish (Mexican really when I slip, but my accent is Colombian). My Thai is questionable, as well as my Korean, but I can be understood. All of these are areas that I have lived in to learn the language.

    So. Yes. I actually fucking understand these cultures. That was my fucking job. I was actually trying to understand YOUR point of view and respect you for that. They are good points. You chose to shit on me. So fuck you.

    My job was to do deep dives of assholes for my teams. To do that, you absolutely MUST know the basics. I know the last 100 years of their history and culture, and what it means NOW. That's a fucking invitation to cross me. You're an out of work programmer. I described what I do.



  32. by oldedude on October 18, 2024 5:26 pm
    Ok, Indy, what's your pipe dream about Gaza? None of know what will happen there, I just gave you what I consider the two most likely outcomes. I don't think Israel will ever surrender and allow Hamas to keep the hostages.

    Yeah, and if the hostages are murdered? Gaza and southern Lebanon will cease to exist with a population. Unfortunately, Iran will be involved. On the fields of Armageddon.


  33. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 6:36 pm

    OD:

    "My job was to do deep dives of assholes for my teams."



    Boy that sounds like a really shitty job, OD. A job you could literally claim "stinks" without any hesitation or anyone disagreeing with you.


  34. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 7:18 pm
    Both Harris and Trump are currently courting the Muslim vote in Michigan. Trump saying that he would do the opposite of restraining Netanyahu won't play well with that demographic. Nice understatement about Sinwar.

    Sinwar "was not a good person," Trump said, saying that his death would make achieving peace "easier.” He praised Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu while attacking the Biden administration.

    "He's called me. I haven't spoken to him. I'm going to speak to him probably now," Trump said of the Israeli leader.

    "Biden is trying to hold him back," Trump said, without saying whether he was referring to Israel's operation in Gaza, Lebanon or both. "And he probably should be doing the opposite, actually."

    voanews.com


  35. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 7:38 pm

    Is anyone going to ask why OD's teams needed him to deep dive assholes or is that being left up to me? 🤔


  36. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2024 8:04 pm
    Indy,
    He's your boyfriend. 😎


  37. by Indy! on October 18, 2024 8:30 pm

    You spelled "stalker" wrong.


  38. by Donna on October 19, 2024 8:48 am
    "
    donna- I'm impressed how you can read the minds of Hamas leaders.

    I'm sorry, I spent 35 of my 40 years studying terrorism. I lived it in Europe when you didn't even know... " - olde dude

    I thought it was kind of obvious that I was addressing Curt.


  39. by Donna on October 19, 2024 8:57 am

    "So. Yes. I actually fucking understand these cultures. That was my fucking job. I was actually trying to understand YOUR point of view and respect you for that. They are good points. You chose to shit on me. So fuck you.

    My job was to do deep dives of assholes for my teams. To do that, you absolutely MUST know the basics. I know the last 100 years of their history and culture, and what it means NOW. That's a fucking invitation to cross me. You're an out of work programmer." - olde dud

    I wasn't even talking to you





  40. by oldedude on October 19, 2024 10:27 am
    Boy that sounds like a really shitty job, OD. A job you could literally claim "stinks" without any hesitation or anyone disagreeing with you.

    I think it's pretty funny when the extent of your "travels" consists of a two week, 37 country tour of "Europe." When you pull your head out of your butt you can talk. Until then you and your "butties" should just STFU.


  41. by oldedude on October 19, 2024 10:34 am
    And the assholes I'm talking about are your cartel cannibals and terrorists that murder infants that you're so fond of and continually support.


  42. by Indy! on October 19, 2024 10:43 am

    Holy cow - you're deeping diving terrorist and drug cartel member's assholes? I mean... props for being so open and willing to share with your troubles on the board here, OD - but I think most everyone would say that is just too much info for this board. 🤮

    And it was a 38 country tour.


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