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As Indy told everyone the entire time Ron Desantis has been Florida's governor - he's a paper tiger on his best day. The twitter folks were always going nuts that little old Mickey Mouse sounding Ron was somehow going to ruin the country and I would try to assuage their fears by explaining every onerous law he's passed gets overturned. Jump up to now... in the wake of the Supreme Whored's elimination of a woman's right to choose - lots of states passed abortion laws (for and against). Ron and the GOP legislature passed a pretty distasteful one that everyone with a brain hated - no abortions after 6 weeks. Women sometimes don't even know they're pregnant by week 6, so it makes the usual "sense" all GOP ideas do... none at all.

Well now things might change. The People of Florida have the option of writing their own laws - and we often do these days because of... well.. Ron and the GOP legislature. So we have a voter initiative to overturn Ron's law (don't feel bad, peebs - that's the end result for most of his "ideas"). One would think that since we're such a "red state" (🙄) the new law would have no chance at passing (it needs 60% of the vote to pass). Nope. Even DONALD TRUMP is saying it's probably going to pass because it's closer to 70% of Floridians who are in the PASS column now.

Also - I noted previously that I was probably going to vote in the general because of some new legislation on the ticket. This is the one I couldn't remember - so I'm definitely voting. Will it be Kamala or Trump (or somebody else)? That's for me to know and you to find out. 😉


Former President Donald Trump expects Florida's abortion measure to pass

TALLAHASSEE - Former President Donald Trump expects Florida voters to back a November ballot proposal that would put abortion rights in the state Constitution, but he didn't say how he will vote.

Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, said he'll hold a future news conference to announce his position on what will appear on the ballot as Amendment 4.

"Florida does have a vote coming up on that, and I think probably the vote will go in a little more liberal way than people thought," Trump said during a news conference Thursday at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overturned the decades-old Roe v. Wade decision that ensured abortion access. The proposed Florida constitutional amendment would need support of 60 percent of voters to pass.

A poll released last week by the University of North Florida's Public Opinion Research Lab found 69 percent of likely voters favored the amendment.


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by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 4:16 am As the Declaration of Independence says, "...of the people, by the people and for the people," baby! pb says that the fine folks of Florida should go for it. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 9:57 am So I had to check the FL laws out first, just to make sure. I could actually get behind this. So I'll be looking for the signatures, etc. Do you know what the limit will be? I would say the 15 weeks is what's going to get passed. Anything less isn't reasonable, anything more, there won't be enough moderates to pass it. I did think this was unreasonable when it passed. So I'm happy hearing this. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 10:28 am Here is the actual law under consideration as well as background on Florida and abortion laws in general. The part I liked? This... Since 2022, seven ballot measures addressing abortion have been on the ballot, with 2022 having the highest number of abortion ballot measures on record in a single year. Four measures-in Vermont, Michigan, California in 2022, and Ohio in 2023- were sponsored by campaigns that described themselves as pro-choice and created state constitutional rights to abortion. All four measures were approved. Three measures-in Kansas, Kentucky, and Montana- were sponsored by campaigns describing themselves as pro-life and were designed to explicitly provide that there is no right to abortion in the state constitution. All three were defeated. ballotpedia.org by Indy! on August 10, 2024 10:31 am Throw in Florida and that would be 8 ballot measures on abortion - all of them won by the pro-choice crowd. Why? Because Florida is more or less a microcosm of the U.S. - the percentage of pro-choice voters has always been in the 65-70% range. ALWAYS. If the Ds could just find a way to herd their cats - they could win every election. Indy's advice? Start by acting like progressives. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 11:47 am The referendum does not have a limit on it. Going to have to say no. Again, I think six weeks is too little, but there isn't anything in the "fix" that would keep anyone calling themselves a care provider access to a patient. They need to specify. And then, no time limit on when abortions can be performed. They need those two things. by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 1:27 pm "As the Declaration of Independence says, "...of the people, by the people and for the people," baby!" -Hate Unless those people are transgender. In which case, it is then not for them. 👍 by Curt_Anderson on August 10, 2024 1:40 pm "As the Declaration of Independence says, "...of the people, by the people and for the people," baby!" -Hate The Declaration of Independence does not say that. That is from Lincoln’s Gettysburg address. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 1:58 pm Good for you, Curt. I doubted anyone'd catch that! by Indy! on August 10, 2024 6:20 pm Peebs displaying his... ahem... "knowledge" of the Constitution again. 😂 by oldedude on August 10, 2024 11:47 am The referendum does not have a limit on it. Going to have to say no. Again, I think six weeks is too little, but there isn't anything in the "fix" that would keep anyone calling themselves a care provider access to a patient. They need to specify. And then, no time limit on when abortions can be performed. They need those two things. You'll have to start your own referendum after this one passes. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 7:41 pm No. I'll just vote to leave it as is. I don't like that either, but I don't like this one more. I'm certain that your 70% number is good, I don't think that many conservatives will vote for it once they read it and see there are few restrictions, especially on time. You should have been able to read the state better. Once you start reading it, the bill's like Pandora's box. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:03 pm You know nothing about Florida. And I didn't "read the state" in the first place. I just explained what a POS Ron Desantis is and how all his sucky legislation always gets overturned - then posted an article to support it. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 3:47 am "Peebs displaying his... ahem... "knowledge" of the Constitution again. 😂" Keehee, Indy? It was the Declaration of Independence. Boohoo, ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 5:43 am You know nothing about Florida. And I didn't "read the state" in the first place. I just explained what a POS Ron Desantis is and how all his sucky legislation always gets overturned - then posted an article to support it. So now you're backing away from what you said, and "hiding" again. I'm not fighting on this. I simply looked at the actual bill and stated I would not vote for any abortion without a time limit. I don't think that's abnormal anywhere but J'ville and Mihamie. I do know about my state. You don't get that, do you. The third time. I don't agree with 5 weeks at all. There needs to be a "rape and incest" clause. And I'm a moderate here. Most of my family doesn't believe in that. I think this is going to get shot down and (hopefully) something both sides can live with will come out. Most of those moving here (in my part) are retired military, cops and firefighters. And as much as people bitch about "newyorkers" (which generally includes any yankee or californicator), most of them are sick of the politics of their state. If they're liberal, they're not moving to the gulf coast for long (well, maybe tampon). by Indy! on August 11, 2024 10:50 am As I said, you know nothing about Florida. This law will pass... easily. I don't know which state is "your" state - but it sure aint Florida. More likely it's the state of insanity. Go To Top

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