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Another day, another dumb thing Republicans are mad about. It looks like they’re running out of things to pin against Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

After Harris named Walz as her vice presidential pick, Republicans went looking through his record to find something they could go after him for. What they settled on, apparently, was a law Walz signed that made sanitary products available to “all menstruating students” in public schools.

Now, they’ve nicknamed the vice presidential hopeful “Tampon Tim.” It’s the kind of insult that makes the entire GOP look foolish and immature. Honestly, I'm not sure they realize it's a compliment.

The language in the Minnesota law is purposefully broad so that trans students would be included. Bill author Rep. Sandra Feist said she heard from actual transgender students who asked for the language to be inclusionary.

Because the law dared to acknowledge that trans people exist, conservatives have lost their minds over it. Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt brought the law up on Fox News, calling it a “radical" policy and a “threat to (women’s) health.” [ 🤣🤣🤣 ]

On X, Libs of TikTok creator Chaya Raichik posted a photo of a tampon box with Walz’s face on it and the caption “#TamponTim.” Former Trump adviser Stephen Miller said: “There is no universe where a man who gives tampons to teenage boys is going to be next in line to be president.”

I can’t believe this is what right-wing activists are going with. Not only are they mischaracterizing a law that benefits thousands of Minnesota students, but they’re further stigmatizing menstruation by acting like it’s inappropriate for teenage boys to know what a tampon looks like.

That’s pretty ridiculous, considering it’s something that affects nearly 2 billion people worldwide each month. The level of insecurity is staggering.





NAHHHHH! She doesn't even know what she's talking about! This whole tampon thing is a freaking gold mine I tell ya! You guys really need to run with it and run with it hard.

Seriously. You may never dredge up a better thing to insult him over...

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by HatetheSwamp on August 8, 2024 10:45 am Big Brother mandating the tampons be placed in 4th grade boys' public school biffies is mainstream, eh, po? by Indy! on August 8, 2024 11:16 am The way I understand it, the Minnesota congress passed the law Walz merely signed off on the People's will. Maybe it should be "Tampon Minnesota Congress"? 🤔 by Ponderer on August 8, 2024 1:22 pm Bill, you are a flaming pig-ignorant bigot. It's a simple public health policy issue involving the recognition of equal civil rights for all students in the state's public schools. I have known your non-mainstream stance on equal protection under the law as the Constitution mandates for a great many years now, so it's totally understandable how stupid you are simply going to be about anything having to do with the subject. Especially when it also involves young trans people. Geez, this combo must make you feel like a cat that got a whole bag of catnip dumped on its head. by ROB3RT on August 8, 2024 7:58 pm I think I'd rather have people call me Tampon Tim than Finger Rape Don. by oldedude on August 8, 2024 9:22 pm It's a simple public health policy issue involving the recognition of equal civil rights for all students in the state's public schools. Sorry. Been a guy for awhile. Never used a tampon. And to call a guy a tampon is comical and degrading. That said, I am all in favor of making them accessible for all those that menstruate. 4th grade included (which puts them in elementary school). No issue at all. But this law was just stupid. And double the cost of what it should have been. But it's the sheep, so they don't care about spending and taxing the little brown people. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 4:59 am "I think I'd rather have people call me Tampon Tim than Finger Rape Don." Except the full name would be, STALIN SHOW TRIAL FINGER RAPE DON. Bahaha. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 5:05 am "Bill, you are a flaming pig-ignorant bigot. It's a simple public health policy issue involving the recognition of equal civil rights for all students in the state's public schools." How's offering tampons to EFFINfourth grade boys a fight for civil rights!!!!!? The "mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids without Big Brother intrusion" of pb's three-headed monster really get pi$$ed at stuff like this, po. They don't see civil rights. They see the foisting of Big Brother... ...whether you like it or not. Bahaha. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 9:11 am po- please 'splain why a male would need a tampon? The runs maybe? Bloody nose? I'm just curious... by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 11:02 am "po- please 'splain why a male would need a tampon? The runs maybe? Bloody nose? I'm just curious..." -olde dude Why I'd be happy to! Thanks for asking! Had you any knowledge of basic human biology, you would know that obviously, a biologic male would never have any need for any feminine hygiene products. However, a biologic female who is transitioning and identifies and presents as male, and therefore uses male restroom facilities, would still have a biologic need for such products. Hormones ain't magic. It's kind of why the request came from the trans community in his state in the first place. And God bless Walz, he was sensitive to and willing to make provisions for them simply by adding the phrase "for all menstruating students" into the law. Thereby meaning that to provide for trans male students, feminine hygiene products would of needs be placed in the boys restrooms. What he simply did was to make these hygiene products available to all students who need them. That's it! I know. How commie/socialist/demonic of him. See? Simple explanation that the right has propagandistically blown out of all rational proportion to terrify bigots with. Which is essentially at the heart of the right wing conniptions over this. Their hair-on-fire apoplexy stems from their abject disgust and hatred of the trans community, and they don't want to see a dime of tax money go to helping them in the same ways that everyone else is helped by our taxes. But I understand how it must look to those who want to ignore and deny the very existence of the trans community, let alone their qualifications to have basic Constitutional civil rights in this country. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 11:18 am * * * * * * * * * REITERATION: * * * * * * * * * I don't want you MAGA Hats to get the wrong idea that I am against you running with this "Tampon Tim" narrative. PLEASE!!! Please, don't ever stop talking about it. It's freaking golden I'm tellin ya. Okay? So yeah, Keep it up! 👍😎👌 by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:03 pm I'm amused that you actually had to explain that to them. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:10 pm I'm amused that they're all up in arms over Walz allowing tampons in the men's room but they couldn't care less that Trump allowed himself into the Miss Teen USA dressing room so he could perv on naked preteens. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 12:16 pm I'm amused that you actually had to explain that to them. pb's amused that, in your woke cocoon you imagine that is sensical to moderate and independent common sense voters. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:28 pm od actually didn't understand it, Hts. He asked "po- please 'splain why a male would need a tampon? The runs maybe? Bloody nose? I'm just curious..." I'll bet that the folks you're talking about didn't get it either. They don't seem to get anything. I've watched interviews with MAGAs who didn't know anything about Trump's trials or that he was charged with 34 felony counts. LOL! They're even low-info about their savior! by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:29 pm The independents are the most sensible and understanding - that's why they left the parties. That's why they are turning to Kamala - because she offers hope, promise and a better future (whether she can deliver or not) while Trump is a morose old fart threatening people if they don't vote for his fat ass. Which do you think indies will turn to? And not to point out the INCREDIBLY obvious peebs - but aren't these YOUR people? The "anti-swamp" crowd? You turn on them that quick when they are supporting the candidate YOU are (allegedly) supporting? 🤔 by Indy! on August 9, 2024 12:32 pm Donna - the reason they don't know about these things is because Fox does not report them. You might not have been around for it, but I related a story once about a family dinner. It's me and a bunch of GOP members of my family and we're talking politics (which is rare at dinner - mom doesn't like it). For whatever reason, I brought up Stormy Daniels and none of them knew who she was. I said "You know - the porn star Trump paid off to keep her quiet...?" Crickets. None of them - all politically "in tune" - knew who she was because Fox never talked (or talks) about it. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:44 pm Yep. One side is smiling and laughing and feeling enthusuastic about Kamaka and Tim leading America, while the other side is dark and bitter, not to mention weird and creepy... which reminds me: Have you see Jon Voigt's new video? OMG! I'll post a link to it. by Donna on August 9, 2024 12:47 pm Link to the weird and creepy Jon Voigt video. m.youtube.com by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 12:57 pm As isle'd say, now we're getting somewhere! You woke, white progressive Swampcultists ain't as all-knowing nor as enlightened as you imagine. What you "get" is sheer nincompoopery to most people. I understand what you're hoping to argue but I absolutely reject it... as do many. Many moderate and independent common sense voters know exactly woke is and consider it self-serving, narcissistic mumbo-jumbo. Not so long ago, social conservatives were considered to be pompous and sanctimonious... a source of fascination and curiosity. Today, social wokesters have displaced them. Observing social wokesters muse among themselves about what they have to be self-righteous about... what they "get"... reminds me of listening to James Dobson, Pat Robinson and Jerry Falwell in the 90s sneer at people who disagree with them. That's why this Tampon Tim thing will resonate in middle America among the anti-TQ LGB movement which is exploding in influence under the leadership of Jaimee Michell and her Gays Against Groomers gang... and those mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids without Big Brother intrusion... AKA po's pesky MAGA theocrats. by Donna on August 9, 2024 1:00 pm "Woke" is sooooo played, but that's all the MAGAs have. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 1:09 pm "pb's amused that, in your woke cocoon you imagine that is sensical to moderate and independent common sense voters." -Hate Please explain, in the greatest possible detail... you pig-ignorant, terminally bigoted sociopath... exactly how trans male students having access to feminine hygiene products in public school boys rooms, as they are for all other students who need them, affects the lives of moderate and independent common sense voters in any way whatsoever..... I'll give you plenty of space........ (More space available if you need it) by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 1:16 pm Yeah, but it ain't MAGA no more, Donna. Two thirds of pb's three-headed monster is LGB: 1. Old-school Title IX feminists. 2. Increasingly active, radical anti-TQ LGB groups and activists. What you demand be, as Jane Austen said, "truth universally acknowledged" is so far out of the mainstream that there's an increasingly influential LGB backlash against it. Truth. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 1:22 pm Wow - the Voight thing is insane. We're entering the "darkest period in history...!!!!" 🤔 Ummm... Jon? You do know there was a time we actually referred to as the "Dark Ages", right? by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 1:22 pm The thing is, Bill, that if you didn't detest the very existence of transgender people and understood the first thing about them, you could fully understand the simple and fair logic of my post explaining this whole issue. But no. You've got a pig ignorant, transphobic bigotry to feed and an orange psychopath to get reinstated into the white House. So any logic that doesn't fit with your deranged mind is to be ridiculed and blown off. I get it. Don't worry. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 2:08 pm So anyway, I hope I answered your question to your satisfaction, olde dude. You do tend to have a bit more of a grasp on basic logic than Hate ever does. So I'm sure you understand it all now. by HatetheSwamp on August 9, 2024 2:34 pm "The thing is, Bill, that if you didn't detest the very existence of transgender people and understood the first thing about them, you could fully understand the simple and fair logic of my post explaining this whole issue." I'm fine with transgender people... it's the grooming of young people by TQs by... militant TQs... such as yourself that offends me... and the anti-TQ LGB activists and movements who are taking over the conversation. As the song says, "Leave them kids alone..." Don't tell suburban soccer moms of 4th grade boys that Big Brother foisting trans friendly public school bathroom policies on 9 and 10 year old boys is a good thing. It won't work. View Video by Donna on August 9, 2024 3:14 pm I'm sure that most kids don't mind sharing the restroom with TG kids. It's their parents who are stuck in the Dark Ages. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 3:18 pm So peebs... you're okay with taking away a woman's right to choose, but you think putting free tampons in the men's room is "foisting" policy on 4th graders? by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 4:40 pm "I'm fine with transgender people... it's the grooming of young people by TQs by... militant TQs... such as yourself that offends me..." -Hate I see. So... you think that tampons in boys restrooms is "grooming"? So... This is just part of a diabolical lefty plot to groom totally straight boys who are gonna want to transition into girls... because they saw a tampon machine in the bathroom...? Yeah boy you got a tiger by the tail with this Bill I'm tellin' ya. I'm cringing in my boots just imagining the destruction of the entire Democratic party that this is going to lead to if you keep pushing this out there. Please >i>Please I beg you! DON'T KEEP USING THIS AGAINST WALZ!!! Whatever you do, stop this massively damaging attack! Oh the embarrassment! Oooooooooooooo, the AAAAH-GOOO-NEEEEEEE...! by Indy! on August 9, 2024 4:58 pm I always feel like they're grooming me when I see a tampon machine in a gas station bathroom. by oldedude on August 9, 2024 5:52 pm Had you any knowledge of basic human biology, you would know that obviously, a biologic male would never have any need for any feminine hygiene products. BINGO! I was just wondering if YOU knew! especially in the fourth grade. thankyouthankyouverymuch. Which is essentially at the heart of the right wing conniptions over this. Their hair-on-fire apoplexy stems from their abject disgust and hatred of the trans community, and they don't want to see a dime of tax money go to helping them in the same ways that everyone else is helped by our taxes. But I understand how it must look to those who want to ignore and deny the very existence of the trans community, let alone their qualifications to have basic Constitutional civil rights in this country. That is a bald faced lie. THE ISSUE AS WE'VE MADE CLEAR FOR AT LEAST A YEAR, IS ABOUT PARENTS NOT BEING ADVISED OF WHAT TEACHERS ARE HIDING FROM THEM. Parents have a legal and constitutional right to know what goes on in the schools. THEY are responsible for the child, NOT the school. Contrary to the wokester agenda. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 5:58 pm If it's a LAW on the BOOKS - how are they "hiding" anything from parents? Oh - unless you mean "parents" like yours who obviously aren't paying attention to their children and their children's maturation process. by Ponderer on August 9, 2024 7:04 pm This is about tampons in boys bathrooms, od. Please try to keep up. And Indy!'s right. If there are tampons in all boys bathrooms in all public schools, and the parents all know about it, what's being hidden from them? Do you want a school official to man the bathrooms to monitor which students use the feminine hygiene products so they can report to the parents? by oldedude on August 9, 2024 8:09 pm It's a stupid use of money first. Because the wokesters started forcing this down our throats, no reasonable person would trust the wokesters. Also, if a fourth, grade "boy/not boy, transition boy? Whatever you call them. Most parents feel this is another part of the not telling parents what is going on in the schools. So to answer you, by itself, I dunno, other than its JF stupid. And I understand the parents, who used to be able to work with the school system. They've been so screwed over by the woksters, they don't trust you at all. I think that's fair. Much like the 2A folks. Although I think there's a little wiggle room, their motto is "don't give them an inch." That's the battle. You couldn't negotiate. Neither can conservatives. You shoulda done it when you had the chance (like I said over a year ago). You might have gotten this without a peep. But by wanting to turn them in to the "Terrorist Watch List" you created half the nation that hates you. by Indy! on August 9, 2024 8:27 pm Which "nation" is that, OD? Fox Nation? 🤔 by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 4:49 am "So... you think that tampons in boys restrooms is "grooming"?" Absolutely, po. It is. Read the GAG material. Interestingly, there's a minority of the trans community involved with GAG... because they experience gender dysphoria but possess enough morality and decency not to foist gender ideology on minors... GAG ain't anti-TQ. It's about protecting children. Which, obviously, you oppose. This is why GAG is winning the battle for hearts and minds... and your side,... Tampon Tim's side... is losing... ... and why TT will be a millstone around Kammy's neck. by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 5:31 am Yeah. M'kay. We'll see. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 6:10 am "Had you any knowledge of basic human biology, you would know that obviously, a biologic male would never have any need for any feminine hygiene products." OD, Remember the progressive Big Brother SwampDem refrain during the pandemic?, "Follow the science?" Biology, po!!!!! Follow the EFFINscience! by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 6:13 am So just to take stock of the stances of you two sociopaths... • Palestinian children in Gaza do not deserve any pity, concern, or basic human rights. • It's perfectly fine for a military veteran to impugn the honor of another military veteran who served proudly and honorably for two and a half decades. • Transgender students, or the entire transgender community for that matter, do not deserve equal civil rights or equal protections under the law mandated for all citizens by the Constitution. • It is "woke" to think otherwise. I'm sure I'm missing a lot, but I haven't had my coffee yet. "It's a stupid use of money first." -olde dude Really? Providing feminine hygiene products to all menstruating students (The tremendously vast bulk of which are genetic girls) in public schools is a stupid use of money? olde dude, this is a great example of why your side is going to get it's pig-ignorant, bigoted, antediluvian ass kicked in November. Stupid use of money. JesusFuckingChrist. This from a proud member of a party that prides itself on dumping billions in tax dollars on already rich industries and billionaires the first fuckingchance it gets. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 6:40 am po, You're an EFFINliar. You have mischaracterized everything we believe about innocent victims of the war in Gaza, the Tampon Tim National Guard scandal and the foisting of the trans agenda in Minnesota. You have to be lying... ...because you ain't that STOOPID. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 6:45 am olde dude, this is a great example of why your side is going to get it's pig-ignorant, bigoted, antediluvian ass kicked in November. So what you're saying is that you disagree with my post, but have ZERO factual evidence you can cite. Got it. Thanks. Good talk. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 6:50 am po? Factual evidence? Baha! Surely you jest! by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 6:53 am M'kay................. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 6:56 am po, You are the Shakespeare of SelectSmart.com. I actually wept over your reply. Keehee ha, ahhhhhhhhhhh. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 2:57 pm This is why: Parents sue Oregon school district after student raped in gender neutral bathroom thepostmillennial.com by ROB3RT on August 10, 2024 3:35 pm Hate: Since you obviously didn't read the story, let me point out the most important sentence: The gender-neutral bathroom where the incident took place was a private space that locks from the inside. Understand? This wasn't a gender-neutral or unisex restroom. IT WAS PRIVATE. IT WAS SINGLE-OCCUPANCY! It sounds like it was a typical "family" restroom, designed for people who need to change a baby's diapers or for disabled people who need privacy and extra space to maneuver. These single-occupancy private and locking restrooms allow a different sex caregiver (for example, a female caregiver for a male disabled person) to help that person use the facilities without going into the men's room. That way you won't get the willies taking a leak in the men's room in front of a female caregiver. The rape was horrible. The girl should have been escorted and protected by a caregiver. That's the real crisis here. This has nothing to do with transgender people or gender-neutral spaces. No wonder trans stuff scares you so much. You frequently express outrage without understanding the facts. by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 3:52 pm Jimmy Failla: "Okay I’ve watched a week of rallies and Kamala consistently sounds like a day drunk substitute teacher. And I’m sorry but Walz totally has the energy of that priest who’s not allowed to be alone with the altar boys." One wonders how long Kammy can keep this up. x.com by ROB3RT on August 10, 2024 3:58 pm Hate: Are you changing the subject because you are too lazy or stupid to read the stories you linked to? by HatetheSwamp on August 10, 2024 4:09 pm #47 was on topic. And, you may be right. About the biffy. by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 5:45 pm He fuckedup, Rob3rt. He demonstrated his pig-ignorance and asinine stupidity. He'll never admit or address it. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 5:50 pm Robert, This sort of thing has happened several times in the past. First, we have to know the "handicap" of the victim. Your "strongest" response is that (my guess) is that she didn't lock the door, and there may be a reason we don't know (agree disadvantage victim). So now we have a sexual predator roaming the halls. AND something that has been true since Parkland. "the district should have been aware of the perpetrator’s “behaviors and proclivities." The school is "responsible" for the safety of (especially) the handicapped woman, but all students are the responsibility of the school, so double-disadvantage school. And that is well set in case law. Are the acts of the perp the result of the "gender neutral restroom." I think that's a hard sell. I think that would happen with the perp asshole in any restroom in school. No disadvantage. Advantage school. In Fairfax County, VA, a male student (said he "identified" as a female) raped a woman in a woman's restroom. At that point, victim has advantage. I think the district is culpable, 1. because the perp should be a known person in the school. I don't know what he already had done, but did the police know about the “behaviors and proclivities." The school is also at fault, because they didn't protect the victim. Long story short. I think the victim has a good case. The district will settle out of court, the woman needs to get out of that district and go to a charter/private school with the money. That's what I see. by Ponderer on August 10, 2024 6:01 pm If only Trump had been president, this wouldn't have happened. by oldedude on August 10, 2024 7:50 pm sarcasm doesn't work generally in the written word. Indy should teach you that. There's no body language or eye contact, so you lose 60% of your communication. by Indy! on August 10, 2024 9:00 pm You're the only one who doesn't get it, Odie. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 3:45 am If Trump is President, he can instruct the bureaucrats at the Department of Education to freeze funds to schools that have a gender neutral biffy policy. Most private schools receive some federal moolah. How bout that, po? Hmmmm? by oldedude on August 11, 2024 5:59 am Actually, this was part of the training I was part of in my Senior NCO course, and then in the Instructor Course, and then in several other advanced instructor course, and finally, my Masters' degree. So I'm really afraid that it's YOU that don't get it like I described. I know you just have to "appear" to be smart and "get one over" on me. For having a "degree" you sure didn't take any life skills courses (communications, psychology. Or ANY political science) AT ALL. You should stick to what you know. What you learned last year in the fourth grade. by Donna on August 11, 2024 8:28 am "Had you any knowledge of basic human biology, you would know that obviously, a biologic male would never have any need for any feminine hygiene products." - olde dude Just to clarify -- because it sounds to me like you still don't get it -- transboys (biological girls who identify as boys) who when using the boys restroom still need feminine hygeine products when they're menstruating. I'll bet that if one were to survey gradeshoolers on their attitudes towards sharing restrooms with transyouths, most of them would be okay with it. I'm much more concerned about thousands of children being massacred by the IDF, though - sonething that you guys don't give a flying fuck about because your priorities are completely out of whack. by Donna on August 11, 2024 9:05 am That was my wife quote - my error - but I'm still seeing ample need here to clarify the controversy. by Ponderer on August 11, 2024 9:06 am "sarcasm doesn't work generally in the written word. Indy should teach you that. There's no body language or eye contact, so you lose 60% of your communication." -olde dude And yet you knew with 100% appropriate certainty that I was being sarcastic. So... mission accomplished! by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:07 am Just to clarify -- because it sounds to me like you still don't get it -- transboys (biological girls who identify as boys) who when using the boys restroom still need feminine hygeine products when they're menstruating. For me (and you can read the reasoning if you want to answer, whatever. For elementary school, it's stupid. For middle school/Jr High? I don't understand why. High School? maybe. My question to that. In the 4th/5th grade? Elementary School? not on board. Middle school/ Jr High, I still have an issue with transitioning the child. High school, okay🤨????? I still think the "kid" needs to be an adult to actually do the transition. My view is that you're looking at transitioning like getting your tonsils out. I don't. You know the prep work is a long time coming. I'm not sure how "reversible" that is. I think if you see that at a younger age, the district should work with the kid to clear up many of the issues that come with gender dysphoria. My view as it always has been. If it's done with a lot of the prep work done and the person's happy and over 18. It's their life. AND I understand that when you transition, these options weren't available and there were A LOT of hoops to dance through. So I appreciate that you were very secure at the time, that you wanted to transition. So with a person like yourself, I put a lot of stock in what you say about this. I am also looking at the schools not telling parents. I believe (especially pre-high school) this is something that must be legally addressed. Yes, it's not a should issue, but the school districts have been found liable in most of the student suicides. That has to be addressed to find a best practice and adhering to parental notification rights. My worry. Now that it's become "the new thing" how does that affect the decision of the kids. I use that term very selectively. Once they turn 18, I'm fully on board with whatever they want to do, and I'll support that, like I support your decision. Do you just take the "kid's word" for it? Fairfax county schools showed the weaknesses in that case. And agreed this was one asshole that wanted to rape the women and the "issue" remains. And there are others since then. by Ponderer on August 11, 2024 9:33 am "If Trump is President, he can instruct the bureaucrats at the Department of Education to freeze funds to schools that have a gender neutral biffy policy. Most private schools receive some federal moolah. How bout that, po? Hmmmm?" -Hate Well yes. If Trump was president, he certainly and most assuredly could and most likely would do something like that. And, as neither he nor you believe transgender people, let alone trans youth, should be considered human beings worthy of giving a flyingfuck about or allowing the same equal rights and protections under the law granted by the Constitution to all US citizens, I can see how that would be an acceptable fix for a couple offucking bigotedtwat shitheads like you two. Yeah. I get it. You're saying punish the many to force the bigoted and repressive changes you demand. Classic Republican wet dream. I see. Hold entire school systems hostage until the Trump Party's bigoted and hate filled kidnapping demands are met. Probably high up on Trump's to-do list for his Day One Dictatorship to go for I'd warrant. WOW. You know, I bet that such governing is just the kind of democracy that our Founding Fathers could have only dreamed of in their wildest hopes and constitutional fantasies. [sarcasm] It's no wonder that youfucking MAGA Hat assholes can't see Trump for the authoritarian mob boss that he is. This kind of authoritarian bullshit is actually desirable for you in a form of government! Trump's Dictatorship is actually exactly the kind of government that you want. You'd see such a thing as normal and long overdue for this nation... Youfuckingassholes. And you call me a "good German". by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:39 am Lead- okay, what I could understand is that she's slightly angry with us. Otherwise, there'd be many more M*****F****RS. in the post. So apparently it wasn't too bad. by Ponderer on August 11, 2024 9:46 am "My question to that. In the 4th/5th grade? Elementary School?" -olde dude See, here's that problem we keep having with you not knowing a lot about basic human biology, dang it. What part of "Available for all menstruating students" is giving you the most difficulty? Pretty much all of it, I imagine? If there are students in a grade that menstruate, then feminine hygiene products are to be made available in that grade's rest rooms. What is your non-sociopathic, unbigoted problem with this forfuck sake? So you want to deny all genetic, menstruating female students from receiving access to these products because the tiniest fraction of a school's student body may be transboys who could also need and use them? Again with the Trump Party kidnapping tactics. Oh if Hitler only had you guys... by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:48 am If there are students in a grade that menstruate, then feminine hygiene products are to be made available in that grade's rest rooms. a first grader is menstruating. Thanks for the info Dr Seuss. by Donna on August 11, 2024 9:57 am "My view is that you're looking at transitioning like getting your tonsils out. I don't." Neither do I or my wife. What an absurd statement. Apparently you have no idea what an ordeal it is to transition. "You know the prep work is a long time coming. I'm not sure how "reversible" that is. I think if you see that at a younger age, the district should work with the kid to clear up many of the issues that come with gender dysphoria." I agree. What you're describing is "gender affirming care", which so many in your party oppose. It wasn't availsble at all when I was a TG child. I suspect that many kids who identify as "trans" are actually what we used to call "tomboys" and "sensitive males" and not transgender at all. Gender affirming care, if done properly, would root out those kids. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 10:13 am "If Trump was president, he certainly and most assuredly could and most likely would do something like that. And, as neither he nor you believe transgender people, let alone trans youth, should be considered human beings worthy of giving a flyingfuck about..." po, So, in the first sentence, you're agreeing with me objecting to your sanctimonious sarcasm. In the second?, I hope you don't believe your lies. If you do, you are a narcissist so damaged that you should be deemed a danger to yourself and others... ...but, I think that you're just lyin. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 10:23 am "If there are students in a grade that menstruate, then feminine hygiene products are to be made available in that grade's rest rooms." FEMININE...HYGIENE...PRODUCTS? FEMININE? po, you may have to be expelled from your local chapter of Wokesters Intl. FEMININE! Oy. How, as you'd say, EFFINbinary of you! That has to be a sin. But, if you can call them FEMININE, maybe some small part of you does follow the science! by Indy! on August 11, 2024 10:38 am Actually, this was part of the training I was part of in my Senior NCO course, and then in the Instructor Course, and then in several other advanced instructor course, and finally, my Masters' degree. So I'm really afraid that it's YOU that don't get it like I described. Again with the fake "education" crap. The 3rd grade level of your English exhibited in every one of your posts betrays your lies about your "education" just like your immorality and obsession with sick things betrays the lie you ever served. I know you just have to "appear" to be smart and "get one over" on me. For having a "degree" you sure didn't take any life skills courses (communications, psychology. Or ANY political science) AT ALL. You should stick to what you know. What you learned last year in the fourth grade. If you mean "appearing smart" by having a genius level IQ, an ACTUAL degree from an ACTUAL university and wiping the board's floor with you every day of the week since we've known each other? Yes - true. The rest of that further exposes your lack of a real education. When you go to a REAL university for a REAL education - all those courses are REQUIRED. So even if I didn't want to take them - I had to take them. Face it Odie - as always you brought a spoon to a gun fight. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 11:04 am Donna, Many on our side are not opposed to, uh, "gender affirming care"... of a sort. The most influential voices about the issue on our side are Jaimee Michell, founder of GAG (who was a featured speaker at the Moms for Liberty Conference last year), and the gay Guy Curt never heard of, i.e., Guy Benson, a rising superstar at Fox. Michell's message is powerful... and you and I have discussed it here previously. She's a very butch lesbian... very much a woman attracted to women,... but very much a woman. Growing up, she felt constantly harassed by trans people like you and well-meaning woke progressives like Tim Walz. One of her catch phrases is, SAVE THE TOMBOYS!... from people exactly like you who just need to ask her, over and over, if she was born in the wrong body. She hated it as a child and teen and she's fighting the good fight... with a vengeance... on behalf of tomboys and young effeminate males today... ... AND YOU AND THE TIM WALZES OF THE WORLD ARE HER ENEMIES! She's against Tampon Tim's law. Now, would she support counseling for children who are struggling to understand their sexuality? Yes. But, almost all of those children will either become heterosexuals, or LGBs... and virtually none will transition. pb? pb is extremely sympathetic to the story Jaimee Michell tells about her childhood struggles... against you lot... and, he's in favor of public schools offering support to children who suffered what she suffered. But, not gender-affirming care as you think of it. And, politically?, Tampon Tim's law will be problematic not only with po's MAGA theocrats but also with the increasingly influential anti-TQ LGB groups and activists. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 12:13 pm Lead- as always, being conservatives, we aren't clones like the sheep.. I actually had to look the stuff up on your post just to get a better "view" of the situation. It's very interesting. I'll re read it for the fam. I think they need a good dose of what she has to say. by Indy! on August 11, 2024 12:14 pm Oh no - somebody we never heard of from some group we never heard of is mad! by Ponderer on August 11, 2024 12:26 pm No kidding, Indy!. It's an anti-trans gay group, or somesort, that peaked ages ago with a membership that must number in the dozens of hundreds! Hate believes that they represent the majority of mammas and pappas and pee pees and poo poos in the vast American population. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 12:32 pm Here's Michelle's talk at Moms for Liberty. Catch the superbly produced Pride Month video. Oh, and up yours, po, for your paranoia about MAGA theocrats oppressing you. GAG, and other anti-TQ LGB groups and activists who are becoming increasingly influential are your nightmare of the future. Powerful! po. Did you hear her say,... FOISTED!!!!? View Video by Indy! on August 11, 2024 12:44 pm Another right wing Kock Bros beard org pushing their far right radical agenda. That's why they're banned on every social media site except Twitter because Leon Musk is an ultra-far right loon like you, PB. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 12:46 pm Donna- I've mentioned this guy's name earlier. He was one of the Command Sergeant Majors' when "tim" deserted. Thought you might want to take a look at this. Being an old CSM, he'll be plain and simple to understand. Princess might even understand it, so that makes it really easy for you. I also did an extensive cut and paste. The reason I did it this way is that CSM Behrends needs to be heard as he says it. You need to hear it from him and how he feels. I know you disregard me, but here's a guy in his unit, another Command Sergeant Major, that will give his thoughts. ‘He Did It To Himself’: Retired Command Sergeant Major Slams Tim Walz For Misleading On Military Service Walz’s claims about his military service and the timing of his 2005 retirement have come under fire since Vice President Kamala Harris announced him as her running mate Tuesday. The Harris-Walz campaign website has since corrected its original language calling Walz a “retired command sergeant major” to saying he “served as a commend sergeant major.” Behrends ripped into Walz for being an “unforgivable coward” and quitting before his unit was deployed to Iraq. “I would liken this to a coach coaching a team for 25 years, and then you’re finally in the Super Bowl. And then the Super Bowl is coming, and the coach says, ‘No, I’m out. I’m done.’ What does it say, what message does it send to a unit when a command sergeant major — I mean, command sergeant majors are a big deal. They block the sun. They’re the most important enlisted member of that unit. When a command sergeant major bails on a deployment beforehand, what kind of message does that send?” Fox News co-host Pete Hegseth asked. “The message that it sends to me is, you know, turn around and run and just keep running. I mean, go crawl under a rock. Get the Hell out of here. Nobody even wants to mention your name again. You’re soiled, basically a traitor. You’re a deserter at that point,” Behrends said. “The knowledge that you have at that point is very good because, I mentioned that with my family, this is like training for the Super Bowl. And then you’re one game away, and Tom Brady says, ‘Uh, sorry. I don’t wanna get hurt in this game, so you go play for me.’ It’s just absolutely ridiculous,” Behrends told Hegseth. dailycaller.com View Video by Indy! on August 11, 2024 1:37 pm How many times are you going to post something from this ONE GUY? We get it - Trumpers are upset. You're upset. MAGAt-boy in your story is upset. You're all upset Biden dropped and now Trump is the only old guy in the race who can't string two words together without sounding stupid. Yes - good reason to be mad... we get it. Here's what you do about it, OD - go directly to the bathroom, find a box of tissues and cry your little eyes out like you always do when your party loooooooooooooooooooooooses. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 1:51 pm This is the first time I've posted any of his stuff. I've mentioned him a couple of times, but this is the first interview he's done. So get off your mommy's crack and figure this out. And if I wouldn't get responses, questions, arguments, I wouldn't post. So just keep going little girl, whine some more. Take another hit off of mommy's pipe, and climb under daddy's skirts. Please hide for a year or two. maybe more. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 1:52 pm All you're doing is making yourself look stuupid. by Indy! on August 11, 2024 1:56 pm Says the guy who actually posted this... This is the first time I've posted any of his stuff. I've mentioned him a couple of times... 😂 by Donna on August 11, 2024 3:26 pm "She's a very butch lesbian... very much a woman attracted to women,... but very much a woman. Growing up, she felt constantly harassed by trans people like you and well-meaning woke progressives like Tim Walz. One of her catch phrases is, SAVE THE TOMBOYS!... from people exactly like you who just need to ask her, over and over, if she was born in the wrong body." - Hts Um, no. Actually, Sheri and I are somewhat pariahs to the "trans" community. In my previous post, which I guess you didn't read, I said that many youths who call themselves "trans" are probably "tomboys" (an old term for butch) or sensitive males. That idea alone would get me into a lot of trouble with the more militant people in the "trans" community. You have DDS - Donna Derangement Syndrome, which causes you to blurt out unhinged, stupid things that make no sense, kind of what happens with people who have Tourette's Syndrome. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 3:50 pm Donna - the answer is no I didn't and thanks for the heads up. And yes, I agree with you on the gender affirmation care. I've been a believer in this for awhile. It also seems that many in the schools are leaning less towards what I believe (and it sounds like what you believe) regarding taking time for that care. That's what I meant in the "tonsils remark. So regarding this. Thanks for the info. I hope this explains things a tad better. by Donna on August 11, 2024 3:58 pm od: Politically motivated bs. Like Indy said, you're all having hissy fits because Tim Walz is out there helping to put an end to America's long nightmare, and you guys have nothing substantive to attack him with, so you resort to drivel of that sort that no one would give a flying fuck about even if it were true. And when that angle of attack doesn't improve Trump's polling numbers, y'all will move onto another frivolous, mendacious line of attack that's even more unhinged, and then another, and another, until the day after election day when you'll find yourselves crying in your cornflakes that the election was stolen from your golden boy. by Donna on August 11, 2024 4:02 pm With all I just saud aside, I've always appreciated your open-mindedness regarding transgender issues. Thank you. by HatetheSwamp on August 11, 2024 5:21 pm "Actually, Sheri and I are somewhat pariahs to the "trans" community. In my previous post, which I guess you didn't read, I said that many youths who call themselves "trans" are probably "tomboys" (an old term for butch) or sensitive males. That idea alone would get me into a lot of trouble with the more militant people in the "trans" community." Noop. Donna, In the past you have lamented that you had to wait well into adulthood to transition and argued against all those anti trans laws that were propose a few years back. No, I don't buy it. And, if you support Tim's Tampon Law, you're into grooming. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 7:59 pm od: Politically motivated bs. Like Indy said, you're all having hissy fits because Tim Walz is out there helping to put an end to America's long nightmare, and you guys have nothing substantive to attack him with, so you resort to drivel of that sort that no one would give a flying fuck about even if it were true. First, TFAFKAP (the former [loser] "artist" formally known as princess) has the same morals as Dahlmer. So I'll just start with that. She's a useless piece of shit. YOU may think it drivel. Okay, then you absolutely do not understand what it means to keep your word. Or to put others before yourself. Or to put everyone to the same standard, including yourself. After this fray, I think far less of you as a human being. If the roles were reversed and JD did what walz did and visa-versa. What would you say about JD? I mean, you've already said a lot of pretty nasty stuff. So why shouldn't I believe you have the same morals as bergdahl? Why wouldn't you not worry about people getting killed for you while you just wandered off? That's why I think the ONLY reason you can come up with is "political." Because that's what you will do. Use a human being for a political ploy any way you can. Why would I use something you sheep love and support him doing? I mean all he did was desert his unit as THE senior NCO of a Battalion. I thank God every day I'm different than that. Walz in this case is as reputable as Bergdahl, maybe less. Bergdahl was a specialist, walz was a Command Sergeant Major. THAT makes a difference. That is the full measure I am judging him on his Army Career. He may have been great for 20+ years, then he just fucked the dog in one swift move. He could have been screwing the Commander's wife and that wouldn't have been this bad. This has just been a pain in my ass to try to explain to people that don't want to know. I will say there is a separate issue with his politics. I'll admit that. But I have enough information to work on that alone. We already understand that princess would turn on her entire family and let them get aids if she got a teener of crack for it, so there's that. At least you're not low person on the totem pole. by Ponderer on August 11, 2024 8:38 pm And Bill, you are a lying fuckingtwat. by oldedude on August 11, 2024 9:08 pm Donna- I said that many youths who call themselves "trans" are probably "tomboys" (an old term for butch) or sensitive males. That idea alone would get me into a lot of trouble with the more militant people in the "trans" community." Got it. The "tomboys" are what I've been worried about. Some districts/ doctors have been pushing transitioning with students, especially without their parents knowledge or consent. These are the things I worry about. I also know that telling parents may create their own issues. I am willing to take that chance instead of having the child get in to something they can't get out of. Also. When I say child, I am thinking of someone under 18. to elect for the surgery. I also understand the transition should start with counseling. That, I think can start earlier, with the parents' knowledge. My issue is hiding it from the parents, which is illegal (and the courts continually say so). Regarding the parents issue. It may be that the student needs to get the tools to make the introduction to the parents. That may take a long time in the transition counseling, and I think that would make a far better person to be able to understand the tools, and if they're still rejected, that decision is not the student's decision. And it's a rejection (I do understand that) but the student would be able to better deal with the results. Just a thought. by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 8:25 am "Some districts/ doctors have been pushing transitioning with students, especially without their parents knowledge or consent." -olde dude And we have always been against that on the rare occasion that it actually happens. They should not be doing that, and it is not any school's policy to do that. But that's the sort of rare thing that the Trump Party uses to totally besmirch the entire trans community with while they take our constitutional civil rights away. They're just desperate and haven't really got much of anything else. Poor things. by Donna on August 12, 2024 8:28 am Hts: You either have a very poor memory or you're lying. Or you're demented. Or you're an insufferable prick. I'm going with "all of the above" by oldedude on August 12, 2024 8:35 am They should not be doing that, and it is not any school's policy to do that. Check Denver public schools, et.al. Nearly 6,000 US public schools hide child’s gender status from parents More than 3.2 million US public school students are covered by guidance that blocks parents from knowing whether their child identifies as a different gender in the classroom — which could become federal policy if President Biden’s Title IX proposals are approved in May. At least 168 districts governing 5,904 schools nationwide have rules on the books that prevent faculty and staff from disclosing to parents a student’s gender status without that student’s permission, according to a list compiled by the conservative group Parents Defending Education and shared with The Post. The 3,268,752 students affected by such policies go to class in all kinds of districts — large and small, affluent and poor, urban and rural, red and blue — stretching from North Carolina to Alaska. nypost.com by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 8:52 am "Nearly 6,000 US public schools hide child’s gender status from parents" -olde dude Yes yes and of course in your mind that means that every single instance of that came with the school board trying to force every one of those students into transitioning. We know how your ridiculous excuse for logic works, od. You just make yourself out to look like a pathetictwat. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 9:12 am Donna, "Hts: You either have a very poor memory or you're lying. Or you're demented. Or you're an insufferable prick. I'm going with "all of the above"" That is as may be. So, let me see if I understand you. po and you are among the minority of trans people who'd join with Jaimee Michell and her GAG gang? Do you think that Tampon Tim's biffy law for 4th graders, is part of a campaign to groom young boys? by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 9:32 am po, That's absurd. You're the worst non sequitur-er of all time. OD nailed you. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 10:45 am Yes yes and of course in your mind that means that every single instance of that came with the school board trying to force every one of those students into transitioning. No, it means the districts have written instructions not to advise parents of their children's education, or decisions regarding any of the gender affirmation decisions made by either the school, district, or teacher. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 11:04 am OD, I'm convinced that po's convinced that the mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids without Big Brother intrusion are doing something evil... ...that Big Brother must be the answer... always... to resist is pernicious. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 11:58 am Po- I got this for you. To the tune of Cathy's clown. Don't get your love anymore The stud gets your kisses, that's for sure I die each time I hear this sound "Here he comes tall She makes me crawl But when he knows you're eating pie And he hears them passin' by He's not a man at all Don't get your love anymore The stud gets your kisses, that's for sure I die each time I hear this sound "Here he comes, that's kammy’s cuck" When you see me shed a tear And you know that it's sincere Don't you think it's kinda sad That you're treatin' me so bad Or don't you even care? Don't get your love anymore The stud gets your kisses, that's for sure I die each time I hear this sound "Here he comes, that's kammy’s cuck" That's kammy’s cuck That's kammy’s cuck View Video by Indy! on August 12, 2024 12:41 pm Good lord. Curt - please find a way to allow OD to delete that last post. He's gotta be sorry he posted it. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 1:55 pm actually, YOU'RE his "buddy" right? by Ponderer on August 12, 2024 2:17 pm Indy!, I'm certainly glad that I didn't even read it. Thanks! by Donna on August 12, 2024 2:25 pm "So, let me see if I understand you. po and you are among the minority of trans people who'd join with Jaimee Michell and her GAG gang?" I've never heard of Jaimee Mitchell. "Do you think that Tampon Tim's biffy law for 4th graders, is part of a campaign to groom young boys?" No. Only goofballs like you believe such nonsense. by oldedude on August 12, 2024 3:17 pm Donna- as I've explained several times (so I'm not sure if only Lead would be the appropriate person). What has happened in this arena is there have been overwhelming demands throughout the nation regarding hiding a large part of school to the parents. Once that dug in, and parents reading smut (the books their children were told to read in school), and were put on the terrorist watch list, parents turned to "don't give an inch" to the schools that wanted to keep information from the parents. kammys kuck also wants the availability of transition in the elementary schools. To do that, you have to teach the kids they are not happy in their own bodies. I'm against that also. So this falls into the "don't give an inch" piece. So now, you're fighting the same thing as the radical pro-choice, and pro-gun folks. Neither one of them are giving an inch. And all it's the reflection of pushback from the initial "demands." I mentioned einsteins law of political relativism and was laughed at. So here it is now, staring you in the face. by Donna on August 12, 2024 3:58 pm "kammys kuck also wants the availability of transition in the elementary schools." What a crazy thing to say! I have no idea what you mean by "the availabilty of transition". Tim just wants genetic girls who ID as boys to have feminine hygeine products available for them if they use the boys restroom, as some females begin menstruating in elementary school. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? "To do that, you have to teach the kids they are not happy in their own bodies." No, actually you don't, as TGs don't need anyone to tell them something they already feel. "I'm against that also." I also oppose anyone who tells a questioning child that. There are always going to be some misguided adults who do that sort of thing, but based on my own experience with transitioning, I think that it's extremely rare, abd it sonething that's being blown out of proportion by people who hate transgender people. Btw, as I said a while back on this forum, many kids who suspect they might be TG are scared to death to talk to their parents about it, especially kids who have conservative religious parents. They talk to their teachers about it because they're the only adults they feel comfortable talking to about it. by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 4:08 pm "I've never heard of Jaimee Mitchell." Nice, Donna. So now we have "that gay Guy Curt never heard of. And, let's see. How about, "the gay who Donna doesn't know strayed?" Yeah. That'll do. "Only goofballs like you believe such nonsense." Thing is there are tens of millions of goofballs just like pb... AND, many more now than there were a year ago. Thanks, significantly, to the gay who you don't know strayed. Baha! by HatetheSwamp on August 12, 2024 4:13 pm "What a crazy thing to say! I have no idea what you mean by "the availabilty of transition". Tim just wants genetic girls who ID as boys to have feminine hygeine products available for them if they use the boys restroom, as some females begin menstruating in elementary school. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?" Donna, I think OD understands. He also understands that that thinking is woke lunacy. As do tens of millions other goofballs. by Donna on August 12, 2024 4:47 pm Well sure. And everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter. But there are also tens of millions of Americans who support TG kids using restrooms that match their gender identity. In fact, in a Pew survey that was published in 2016, 51% of of those surveyed supported it. That was eight years ago, so I would guess that that percentage is higher today. Attitudes about LGBTQ people have become much more liberal throughout my lifetime, and like it or not, that trend will continue. Of course, though, there will always those who don't go along with any of that, but those people are literally dying off. pewresearch.org by oldedude on August 12, 2024 4:49 pm Donna- Tim just wants genetic girls who ID as boys to have feminine hygeine products available for them if they use the boys restroom, as some females begin menstruating in elementary school. First, humans don't start distinguishing differences between genders (boy parts, girl parts and they have a different function) doesn't start until five. Unless there's been hypersexuality (usually around adults), rape by an adult or something like that. Until then, "mommies" have babies in their tummies." They don't know or care how they got there. This isn't from the schools, It's because this is how the human brain functions. Before that, the brain still hasn't grown that piece. So you want to start transitioning kids at 5? or 6? I am adamantly against that. ESPECIALLY WHEN PARENTS ARE NOT INFORMED THEIR CHILD IS IN THAT PROCESS. THIS is why there is push back on this. Right there. YOU named it. by Donna on August 12, 2024 5:18 pm "Most girls start their periods when they're about 12, but they can start as early as 8, so it's important to talk to girls from an early age to make sure they're prepared." nhs.uk by oldedude on August 12, 2024 5:30 pm So why in the boys restroom? Are you transitioning elementary school? This is the important question. And the one that people are up in arms about by Donna on August 12, 2024 5:37 pm That's not "transitioning" - that's genetic girls who ID as boys using the boys restroom. What I did is transitioning. by Donna on August 12, 2024 5:42 pm Those parents must live charmed lives if that's all it takes for them to "get up in arms". by oldedude on August 12, 2024 6:08 pm Again, if you think so little about parents and how to raise kids, I can't imagine what kind of parent you were. by HatetheSwamp on August 13, 2024 2:34 am "But there are also tens of millions of Americans who support TG kids using restrooms that match their gender identity. In fact, in a Pew survey that was published in 2016, 51% of of those surveyed supported it. That was eight years ago, so I would guess that that percentage is higher today." Donna, I'm pretty sure it's a lot lower. The backlash against the trans agenda, led by "the gay who Donna doesn't know strayed," other anti-TQ LGB groups and activists and organized mommies and daddies and nannas and pappaps who merely want to raise their kids without government intrusion has turned the tide. Hence. This brouhaha over Tampon Tim's biffy bill. Go To Top

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