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Military Times: Breaking hearts and minds: The strategy of surrender
By HatetheSwamp
August 27, 2021 6:29 am
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“The US have left us behind for these kinds of humans to kill one by one.”

That was a text I received last week from my friend Mo, an Afghan interpreter currently trapped in Kabul. One does not have to be a rocket scientist, or Secretary of State for that matter, to know that he is referring to the Taliban in his message...

The president and his White House National Security Advisor may want people to believe that the traumatic scenes unfolding outside of that airfield are just part of the “inevitable chaos” of war, a talking point they continue to push in televised briefings. However, anyone with friends or family texting them from that hellscape outside of HKIA can tell you that it is, in fact, the inevitable chaos of ineptitude: the inability of, or worse, the lack of desire on the part of the administration to coordinate effectively between their own State Department and Department of Defense to successfully in-process and save these vulnerable Afghans...

When all of these abandoned people, along with their friends and families, see the American flag in the future, will they feel a fullness in their hearts…or a sickness in their stomachs? Our leaders will make that decision in the coming hours. As citizens, we must do all that we can to convince them to make the right one.

Joe is demented and frail. He is superintendenting the most embarrassing failure in American history.

Thanks to all you Trumpaphobes for putting this bozo in the Oval Office!

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  1. by Donna on August 27, 2021 8:07 am
    Oh my yes. How tragic for Afghan interpreters and allies that such flaming racists asshole fucks aren't still in charge...

    A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' blocked it from happening

    A former national security official blamed the Trump administration and former Trump adviser Stephen Miller's "racist hysteria" for impeding the visa application process for Afghans who worked with the US.

    Olivia Troye worked as the homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to Vice President Mike Pence. In a Twitter thread Friday, she blasted the Trump administration for its handling of the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) programs that provide a path to US residency for locals who worked with the US government in Afghanistan.

    "There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He & his enablers across gov't would undermine anyone who worked on solving the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State," Troye wrote.

    Since the Taliban swiftly seized control of Afghanistan Sunday, the US has been struggling to evacuate Americans as well as tens of thousands of Afghan allies who have worked with the US over the past two decades.

    The Biden administration has come under sharp criticism from both sides of the aisle for its handling of the US troop withdrawal and subsequent evacuations. But criticism has also been aimed at the Trump administration, including Miller in particular.

    Troye said she worked on the SIV issue but got "nowhere" because allies of President Donald Trump and Miller at the Justice Department, Department of Homeland Security, and other security agencies "made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging."

    She said many people within the administration believed the matter was urgent but that many were afraid to oppose the president's allies, adding that there were "many closed door meetings" strategizing how to address the issue.

    "Trump had FOUR years-while putting this plan in place-to evacuate these Afghan allies who were the lifelines for many of us who spent time in Afghanistan," she said. "The process slowed to a trickle for reviews/other "priorities"-then came to a halt."

    An Afghanistan War veteran told CNN this week that Miller "should be held accountable for war crimes" for opposing the resettlement of endangered Afghans, and that he was "complicit" in their deaths.

    Miller is an advocate for strict immigration limits. In an appearance on Fox News Tuesday night, Miller said "those advocating for mass Afghan resettlement are doing so for political and not humanitarian reasons," adding that it would also be too expensive.

    "The United States of America never, ever, made a promise, written or unwritten, to the people of Afghanistan that if after 20 years, they were unable to secure their own country, that we would take them to ours. That is nonsense. That has never been US government policy," Miller said.

  2. by Ponderer on August 27, 2021 8:09 am
    That last post was me.

    Curt, it said I was logged in before I posted that and it came up as Donna's post.

  3. by Ponderer on August 27, 2021 8:11 am
    AND I CLOSED THE BOLD HTML CODE at the end of that post I made! I made sure of it!

  4. by Curt_Anderson on August 27, 2021 9:05 am
    I uncovered the bold culprit. Somebody tried to close with b/ instead of /b inside the angle brackets.

  5. by Ponderer on August 27, 2021 9:09 am

    So Curt, do you have any lines on a new forum system yet.........?

  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 27, 2021 10:42 am

    Everyone in the Trump administration is saying that the plan was:

    1. To have all of our people and allies out by May 1, before fighting season,
    2. Under the protection of the US military.

    None of what's happening now would have happened if those goals had been achieved.

    Joe is demented and incompetent.

  7. by Ponderer on August 27, 2021 10:47 am
    Yeah, Trump was really good at setting requirements for others to have to follow.

    Why was his administration making it so difficult and even impossible to bring our Afghan allies here then, pb? Why did Miller make it his life's work to keep Afghans from being able to be brought here?

  8. by Donna on August 27, 2021 11:23 am
    If Trump had won the election, I wonder how he would have gone about the evacuation. He could probably have evacuated American and non-Afghan allied personnel with no problem by May 1st being that the Taliban wanted those people gone by that date anyhow, but it certainly wouldn't have included Afghans, which Trump and Miller didn't want to bring back to America anyhow and probably had no interest in rescuing them.

    With that said, I think that Biden should have started evacuating US and non-Afghan personnel much earlier than he did. He would probably at least been able to get US and non-Afghan people out of there.

    However, he wouldn't have been able to evacuate Afghans with a measly 2,500 troop military presence without doing what he's doing right now. There's no way that the Taliban would have stood by and allowed the US to remove tens of thousands of Afghan citizens from their country.

  9. by HatetheSwamp on August 27, 2021 11:28 am


    I'm not going to defend Trump. I never do when dialog stays within the realm of sanity.

    I despise Trump. I think he's despicable, yet I maintain objectivity.

    I can only offer the suggestion that Trump had many effin months to organize the handling of Afghanistan refugees.

    What I do know is that, if Trump's plan was executed, none of this chaos would have taken place.

    I'm not hesitant to criticize Trump. I'm wholeheartedly opposed to Trump's plan to withdraw from Afghanistan.

    What I don't get is your unwillingness to be honest with YOURSELF about Joe's incompetence. Because he has totally screwed this up. We'll be paying a steep price for Joe's mistakes...with many lives.

  10. by Donna on August 27, 2021 12:24 pm
    There would certainly have been chaos evacuating Afghans regardless of who was the US president, but you're right - there probably wouldn't have been as much chaos if Trump were otesident now because he wouldn't have bothered with trying to evacuate the Afghans who you're so worried about.

  11. by HatetheSwamp on August 27, 2021 1:37 pm

    The indisputable reality is that, from the moment Joe claimed victory in the election, what Trump did, or might have done, is irrelevant.

    Joe made this mess. Period. Trump has nothing to do with this in any way

  12. by Donna on August 27, 2021 3:13 pm
    I'm making a different point which apparently was lost on you.

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