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It's clear now that Biden isn't going to step down
By Donna
July 15, 2024 8:53 am
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A couple of weeks ago, I was hopeful that Biden could be persuaded to retire after this term, but that hope has withered up.

There's a full-on media blitz going on right now, the purpose being to shame and marginalize Democratic voters who want a different nominee to represent the party, which is an opinion held by most Democratic voters.

I think this is happening because try as they have -- I know that Obama has -- Biden hasn't acquiesced to pressure to step down and hasn't given even the slightest indication that he ever will. And time is running out.

So we're stuck with Biden. God help us all.

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Comments on "It's clear now that Biden isn't going to step down":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on July 15, 2024 9:45 am

    Let me start off with two words. I support Biden. I support Biden.

    On Fox and Friends this morning, when they weren't talking about the assassination attempt, they were saying that Joe's candidacy is now safe.

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  2. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 10:02 am
    It's not clear to me. The polling, especially the Democrats' and Biden's internal polling, will matter much.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 15, 2024 10:12 am

    Dems Give Up Hope That Biden Will Drop Out After Trump Assassination Attempt
    thedailybeast.com


  4. by Donna on July 15, 2024 10:18 am

    Well you're slow, Curt. It'll become clear to everyone who doubts it by the end of next week.

    Hts: I saw that article after I wrote my OP.

    Here's a related duscussion:


    m.youtube.com


  5. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 10:23 am
    So you have no doubts that Biden will remain the nominee. Noted.


  6. by Donna on July 15, 2024 10:32 am

    Btw, the head-to-head polls are showing virtually no differences between the prospective replacements' chances against Trump. And another week of head-to-head poll results isn't likely to change any of those numbers, mainly because hardly anyone is familiar enough with those prospective candidates to form opinions on them. Biden's proponents know that, which is why they said that they'd be watching those polls before they made a decision - to fool people into believing that they were open-minded about him stepping down. IMHO.



  7. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 11:01 am
    As I said in the linked post below, I want the Democrats to have a contested convention. It's still murky if Biden or somebody else has the best chance of beating Trump.

    In 1968, Hubert Humphrey was nominated at the DNC convention even though he hadn't competed in any primaries. RFK was assassinated shortly before the convention. HHH lost to Nixon by a quarter of percentage point of the popular vote. It could have easily gone the other way.
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  8. by Donna on July 15, 2024 11:28 am

    The problems with the prospective replacement candidates are, 1) we don't even know if any of them (besides Harris) even want the job, and 2) because none of them can campaign for the Democratic Party nomination before the convention, their supporters won't be able to show any convincing polls numbers to make their cases that their candidate would do any better than Biden.

    So there would be the Biden people on one side, and the anti-Biden people on the other side with support disbursed between the challengers unless they're able to rally around one candidate.




  9. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 11:36 am

    My only question now is will the D faithful finally get it. It took me forever to get it - cheating Bernie was the final straw. We're actually seeing Bernie 2.0 here - basically the reverse version... the party has their man (Biden) and they aren't going to give the people who have supported them all these years any other options. So - again - the problem is obvious. It's not the voters, it's the party. The party is corrupt and not concerned with anything outside of making sure "their" guy is the one running. It's better for the party to LOSE than to allow their voters to get the person they desire.

    Let the party die forever in 2024.


  10. by Donna on July 15, 2024 11:54 am

    So you think that there would be any coming back after Trump 2.0?


  11. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 12:09 pm
    I think if Trump... ahem... "governs" the way he "governed" before, it is quite likely the Ds will be taking back the WH in 2028 (if the country still exists 😉). Why? Because this is the feedback loop we live in...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Ds get elected... do nothing for the People so voters abandon them the next time around...

    Rs then take over - fuck up everything to the point where Ds and Is don't care who gets elected as long as it's not the Rs...

    Rinse, recycle, repeat...


  12. by Donna on July 15, 2024 12:16 pm

    "(if the country still exists)"

    Yes, that's the billion dollar question. That's too much for me to gamble on. I only gamble what I can afford to lose, and I'm not willing to gamble on my country's continued existence. I also don't see the hellhole you describe.



  13. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 1:24 pm
    Donna,
    You don't hear the expression much anymore, but in the past politicians would "throw their hat into the ring". Which meant the person is open to being a (especially) presidential candidate. That hat throwing happened at or shortly before the convention. Sometimes a "dark horse" would emerge after the convention was deadlocked at toss their hat into the ring.

    If the delegates at the DNC convention are disgruntled with Biden, there might be a revolt (as has happened) or Biden could release his delegates. That opens the door for Newsom, Whitmer, Harris, et al.


  14. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 1:24 pm
    Donna,
    You don't hear the expression much anymore, but in the past politicians would "throw their hat into the ring". Which meant the person is open to being a (especially) presidential candidate. That hat throwing happened at or shortly before the convention. Sometimes a "dark horse" would emerge after the convention was deadlocked at toss their hat into the ring.

    If the delegates at the DNC convention are disgruntled with Biden, there might be a revolt (as has happened) or Biden could release his delegates. That opens the door for Newsom, Whitmer, Harris, et al.


  15. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 1:25 pm

    "Hellhole"? 🙂

    I'm just describing what's happening here.

    Clintom got elected - did nothing for us (actually did a lot of very damaging things like the Telecommunications Act). So people abandoned the Ds.

    Bush gets in - sleeps thru 9/11 and Katrina - then crashes the world economy... Ds and Is panic - elect Obama.

    Obama - despite having majorities in both houses and the Supreme COURT - passes the GOP healthcare plan instead of the M4A plan the Ds had written up ready to go. Obama then sits on his hands for the next 7 years accomplishing nothing except escalation of the Afghanistan war.

    Trump then gets in and - after handing the perfunctory tax cuts to the top % of earners, wrecks the place and overruns the Capital. Ds and Is panic - elect Biden despite the fact he was running 4th when Obama and Clyburn pulled his name out of their hat.

    Biden does nothing for suffering Americans... Trump gets elected again

    Oooops - sorry, got a little ahead of myself on that last one. But we all know it's coming. Do you see the pattern now? 😉


  16. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 1:27 pm

    Curt - I salute your wholly unwarranted optimism.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on July 15, 2024 2:21 pm
    Indy,
    I salute your persistent pessimism!


  18. by Donna on July 15, 2024 2:27 pm

    You're adorable, Curt.

    The president isn't a king, Indy. The president doesn't control corporate America or capitalism. I can guarantee that if your favorite presidential candidate won, they wouldn't accomplish any more for working class Americans than Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter.


  19. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 6:08 pm
    Trump did. Bush 43 did. Bush 41 did. Reagan did. Obama had everything he needed to do something - and that is the period on the sentence. If the Ds couldn't accomplish something under Obama - when will they? What - exactly - do you think is going to happen if you keep voting for the complicit party?

    Honestly Donna - I have to knock you down a peg on the IQ board everytime we get here. You've been voting for these losers your whole life - you know they don't give a shit about you or your issues. They couldn't even get LGBTQ rights passed - it was up to the GOP Whored to do that for you.


  20. by Indy! on July 15, 2024 7:21 pm

    Thanks, Curt! But I must give some of the credit to the Democrats for providing me with so much material to use. 😌


  21. by oldedude on July 15, 2024 8:10 pm
    RE: #18 Donna- well done! you actually understand the US government better than any other lib on this site. It's not about being helpless or a victim. It's about understanding the reality of the situation.

    Honestly, we adamantly disagree on the person to lead us. AND we agree on getting a person that can be elected and make the changes WE want. I respect your choices and we disagree. That's fine. Bon chance!


  22. by Donna on July 16, 2024 7:48 am

    "Trump did. Bush 43 did. Bush 41 did. Reagan did." -Indy!

    They did? LOL! If you really feel that way, then why aren't you a registered Republican?


  23. by Indy! on July 16, 2024 11:22 am

    Ummm... because I'm a progressive, Donna. I know it's really hard for you conservatives to recognize one - but here I am.


  24. by Indy! on July 16, 2024 11:25 am
    The president isn't a king, Indy. The president doesn't control corporate America or capitalism. I can guarantee that if your favorite presidential candidate won, they wouldn't accomplish any more for working class Americans than Biden, Obama, Clinton, or Carter.

    It's not just the president, Donna - the Ds had EVERYTHING - all three branches of gov't. You, Robert and Curt can never say a word about that part because you know it destroys any and every lame ass "you only have two choices" argument you can come up with. You KNOW you're not getting anything done even if (by some miracle) the Ds gain full control again. Your D votes are for yourselves and your own self satisfaction - not the country's.


  25. by Donna on July 16, 2024 12:33 pm

    The Ds weren't all on the same page. The D party isn't a monolith. For example, not every D wants Medicare For All. Many want it, but also note that we don't have the infrastructure to support it, which was worsened by the COVID pandemic. Waits to see a doc are already too long. I recently waited 2 months just to see an ENT doc. So there's that Catch-22. It's a much more complex problem than many of its proponents realize.

    Plus, ALL of the Rs are opposed to it, and the Ds, who aren't unified on M4A, only had a filibuster-proof majority for a short time.

    I've always supported M4A, but without the infrastructure in place first, it's a non-starter. That sucks, but that's the reality.

    Which politicians do you support? You talk a lot about the ones you DON"T support, which is practically all of them, but not about the ones you support. Anyhow,I'd be interested to hear from you what their plan to implement M4A is. Btw, I chose M4A as an example because we used to have a lot of discussions on it, and it was a major piece of legislation that progressives were advocating for a while back.



  26. by Indy! on July 16, 2024 1:26 pm

    Look at the big picture, Donna. If the Ds weren't ready for M4A (after having the legislation written up and ready to go for decades 🙄) - then why try to pass healthcare? That makes the Ds look even worse in my book - rather than work for a good system, they simply borrowed the GOP plan and passed that - thereby turning our votes into GOP votes. They could have done one of the other MANY things that needed to be done - like passing abortion rights on the national level.

    So far as candidates to support? I used to support Bernie - until he sold out and became Hillary's bitch. Who do I support now? Cornel West if he's still in the race.


  27. by oldedude on July 16, 2024 2:38 pm
    I agree Donna. Joe has the votes, and it's going to an "illegal" act on the party to get him out. He has the votes.


  28. by Donna on July 16, 2024 3:31 pm

    All I got from that, Indy, is that you have no idea how to go about implementing a M4A plan either. I doubt very much if you've ever thought about the problems and challenges that would need to be overcome in order to pass and implement such a massive program.

    And neither would Cornel West.

    I like Cornel West, but I lost a lot of respect for him when he became a vanity candidate. If he were serious about becoming president (which he obviously is not,) he would have run for a local elective office decades ago and worked his way up like one would do in any career.

    You're really not very serious about anything, are you?


  29. by Donna on July 16, 2024 3:35 pm

    I honestly don't follow what you said there, od.


  30. by Indy! on July 16, 2024 5:38 pm

    Donna, if implementing M4A was part of my job description - I'd learn how to do it like every other thing I've been tasked to learn on the job. That has nothing to do with the conversation which is the pointlessness of voting for only two parties every time. But since you brought it up - healthcare.guv is already up and running, it's far more complicated than an M4A system would require and we have a healthcare system in place with plenty of doctors. We would not be creating a new healthcare system - we would be creating a new way to PAY for the healthcare we already get. What problems are you imagining?

    And so far as "serious"? I think it's pretty freakin' silly to vote every four years for the same shit and continually move backwards only to return to square one and start again. But hey - you do you.


  31. by Donna on July 17, 2024 3:16 pm

    Unless you live in a decided state where your vote essemtially doesn't matter, it's ridiculous to vote for a coandidate who has no chance of winning. I'm dtill waitimg for a progressive who's serious about building a movement and doing the fundraising required to be competitive in a general election. So far, in the 50 years I've beem voting I have yet to see such a progressive.


  32. by Donna on July 17, 2024 3:19 pm

    Sorry for the typos. I'm typing from the passenger seat of a moving Fiat 500.


  33. by Indy! on July 17, 2024 6:40 pm

    Donna...
    You do realize that you don't get to make the rules about voting, right? The way I see it - being in a state where your candidate cannot lose is no different than being in a state where the candidate cannot win. And if you want other people to follow your... ahem... "sane" (🙄) advice, don't you think it might help if YOU actually voted according to the way you want everyone else to vote? I gotta say, Donna - this thing is the most hypocritical and illogical attack that has ever been aimed at me imho.


  34. by Indy! on July 17, 2024 6:41 pm

    I noticed nothing on M4A. So you're conceding that one to me. Good move - thanks. 👍



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