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The Ten Commandments Foisted On Schools and the 1st Amendment
By Ponderer
July 11, 2024 11:51 am
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Hmmm.


On second thought...

You know, I was going to go into a long thing about what the Constitution appears to obviously say about the government establishing religion anywhere, and how what they are doing in some states by mandating that an excerpt from only one particular religious text be posted in public schools can't be viewed as anything other than those states governments' brazenly and unconstitutionally establishing religion in all classrooms...

But I just realized that it's kind of a moot point. At least in perspective.

With Trump and the MAGA Republican party so hot about doing away with the whole department of education altogether once they're back in power and allowing states to teach kids whatever the religiousfuck they want to... an anti-constitutional, stupid ass religious poster mandate in public classrooms is going to be the least of this country's problems regarding the things they have planned for our nation's children. Talk about a camel's nose under the tent.

So... never mind.


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  1. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2024 11:56 am

    po,

    Splain three reasons you think the Department of Education has been a success.

    Is there EFFIN anything Big Brother wants to micromanage that you oppose... because, if there is, pb's not aware of it.


  2. by Indy! on July 11, 2024 12:04 pm
    I would say Americans are smarter, but we still have the GOP so that would be the counter argument.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2024 12:11 pm

    ... and, elected "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap," with the help of some ballot harvesting and ballot curing and some diddling with the chain of custody of mail-in ballots, but still...


  4. by oldedude on July 11, 2024 12:13 pm
    Po- Like I've said, I'm not in favor of a mandatory posting of the 10 Commandments. I think constitutionally, they're going to have a problem with that to say the least. Obviously, private schools can do what they want. I don't care. Public schools are a different matter.

    That said, I'm with Lead. What has the Dept of Education done for students (especially) since it was formed? They have no enforcement powers, they can't "tell" any district what they can or cannot do. Although under obomber, they're the ones that set the standards Parkland followed regarding their mass murder.


  5. by Ponderer on July 11, 2024 12:26 pm

    I agree with you, od. Mandating the posting of the ten Commandments in school is absolutely a government establishing religion in public schools.

    But I guess that you and Hate believe that there should be no federal standards whatsoever on the minimum of what should be required in public schools? It should be totally up to the states to teach whatever the hell they want to? And if those states want to establish religion in public schools, they should be free to? The First Amendment won't apply to them?


  6. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2024 12:38 pm

    But I guess that you and Hate believe that there should be no federal standards whatsoever on the minimum of what should be required in public schools?

    That's a non sequitur.

    The Department of Education has been a disaster.

    In the past 40ish years, it's become evident that bureaucrats in DC are ineffective educators.



  7. by Ponderer on July 11, 2024 1:00 pm

    "Splain three reasons you think the Department of Education has been a success." -Hate

    The department being constantly denuded of funds by the Republican party for decades doesn't have a thing to do with the state of that department I suppose. And where did I ever say that I thought it was a success?


    "Is there EFFIN anything Big Brother wants to micromanage that you oppose... because, if there is, pb's not aware of it." -Hate

    a Woman's life and reproductive rights... Transgender children and their parents rights to help their child's health however they and medical professionals decide... What books a child can find in their school library... What history is taught to students... Same sex couples ability to marry... LGBTQ people's Constitutional civil rights in general...

    Forgive me for ever having been so obtuse about any of that to where it escaped your cognizance.


    "But I guess that you and Hate believe that there should be no federal standards whatsoever on the minimum of what should be required in public schools?" -Hate

    "That's a non sequitur." -Hate

    Perhaps. But you haven't denied it.

    So you do believe that there should be some or any federal standards whatsoever on the minimum of what should be required in public schools...? States can mandate two hours of daily Bible classes in all public schools in the state if they want to...?


  8. by Indy! on July 11, 2024 1:24 pm
    The fact no one outside MAGA wants the DoE eliminated tells us it doesnít need to be eliminated.


  9. by Ponderer on July 11, 2024 1:32 pm

    It's been a key part to conservatives' goals for this country for decades, Indy!.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2024 1:58 pm

    I don't think it's conservatives.

    Since all you woke whitesters lined up with Big Brother Biden during COVID, libertarianism has increased in influence.


  11. by Donna on July 11, 2024 2:02 pm

    Remember -

    As that lunatic from the Heritage Foundation recently said, it'll be a non-violent revolution
    unless the left stands on their way.


  12. by oldedude on July 11, 2024 2:15 pm
    I agree with the libertarian view of DOE and many other agencies.

    This is from the DOE. I couldn't have said it better. "We don't have a real job and don't give any significant assistance to the states and school districts."

    Education is primarily a State and local responsibility in the United States. It is States and communities, as well as public and private organizations of all kinds, that establish schools and colleges, develop curricula, and determine requirements for enrollment and graduation. The structure of education finance in America reflects this predominant State and local role. Of an estimated $1.15 trillion being spent nationwide on education at all levels for school year 2012-2013, a substantial majority will come from State, local, and private sources. This is especially true at the elementary and secondary level, where about 92 percent of the funds will come from non-Federal sources.

    That means the Federal contribution to elementary and secondary education is about 8 percent, which includes funds not only from the Department of Education (ED) but also from other Federal agencies, such as the Department of Health and Human Services' Head Start program and the Department of Agriculture's School Lunch program.

    www2.ed.gov


  13. by HatetheSwamp on July 11, 2024 2:53 pm

    Donna,

    The Heritage Foundation. Baha.

    The GOP is the home of openness and inclusion, acceptance, diversity, tolerance and freethinking.

    The Heritage Foundation is absolutely, certainly, going to be a part of the conversation if Trump should happen to win but, as you Lutherans know, Jesus said, "Let not your hearts be troubled."

    It'll be fine.


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