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Do you remember how sympathetic and concerned Trump supporters were for Afghan women?

By Curt_Anderson
August 24, 2021 8:43 am
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Neither do I. They were all for Trump's Muslim ban, even though it stopped women who wanted to immigrate to the US from countries with a history of abuse and ill-treatment of women.

NYT: Afghans Who Worked for U.S. Are Told Not to Apply for Visas, Advocates Say
(NY Times March 10, 2017)KABUL, Afghanistan — Afghans who worked for the American military and government are being told that they cannot apply for special visas to the United States, even though Afghanistan is not among the countries listed in President Trump’s new travel ban, according to advocates for Afghan refugees.

As of Thursday, Afghans seeking to apply for what are known as Special Immigrant Visas were being told by the American Embassy in Kabul, the capital, that applications would no longer be accepted, according to Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire.

Officials at the embassy did not immediately respond to requests for comment. It was unclear if the visa suspension was related to the president’s new ban, which, in addition to denying visas to citizens of six predominantly Muslim countries, also orders that the number of refugees allowed into America be cut by more than half, to 50,000 this year, from 110,000 in 2016.

Ms. Shaheen, along with Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, has been a strong advocate of the Special Immigrant Visa program, meant for Afghans who face the threat of reprisal for their work with Americans. Its apparent suspension could affect as many as 10,000 applicants. “Allowing this program to lapse sends the message to our allies in Afghanistan that the United States has abandoned them,” Ms. Shaheen said in a statement.




Trump would have allowed fewer refugees in to America per year than the military under Biden's direction have evacuated in about ten days.

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Comments:

  1. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 8:54 am

    They were all for Trump's Muslim ban, even though it stopped women who wanted to immigrate to the US from countries with a history of abuse and ill-treatment of women.

    Really?

    When you allow yourself to speak in broad terms, Curt, you skid straight into the language of bigotry.

    You do it all the time.

    You can be a thoughtful, rational person, but when you allow the hate in, you say the ugliest things.

    Your characterization of ALL effin Trump supporters, is bigoted and false.


  2. by Donna on August 24, 2021 8:57 am
    People like hts didn't complain about that because it wasn't something he could pin on Biden.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on August 24, 2021 9:05 am
    HtS,
    My apologies to the 9% of Republicans who would have any cause to complain that I tarred them with the same brush

    "Republicans overwhelmingly back the [Muslim ban] restrictions, the poll shows. Eighty-four percent of GOP respondents support the ban, while 9 percent oppose it."
    politico.com


  4. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 10:06 am

    Just curious, Curt, without looking it up, what was the content of the so called Muslim Ban?

    I notice that you still won't say that you favor a policy that would uphold the rights of women and girls in Afghanistan. You'll only go so far as accusing GOPs of agreeing with you.

    Odd.


  5. by Donna on August 24, 2021 10:43 am
    Re-igniting the war in Afghanistan, which is what would happen if a US president scrapped Trump's pullout agreement with the Taliban and is the policy that you, hts, said you would have implemented if you were president, would have been a return to those Afghanistan war death statistics I posted last week. It's also an unpopular stance, with over 60% of Americans supporting pulling out.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 11:57 am

    I disagree with your opinion.


  7. by Donna on August 24, 2021 12:06 pm
    It's not an opinion. Defying Trump's agreement with the Taliban would have brought the situation right back to what it was before that agreement. More night raids, kidnappings, bombings, and indiscriminate slaughter as is evidenced by the pre-pullout agreement casualty statistics. I think you have a rosier picture in your mind of the occupation than what the situation was.


  8. by Donna on August 24, 2021 12:08 pm
    Are you aware that it was the US that put the Talban in power there?


  9. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 5:05 pm

    Donna,

    Before Joe pulled the troops out and the Afghan army, unsupported by American air support, the Taliban was a mob of illiterate rubes...I just love appropriating your progressives sanctimony for one sentence,...carrying sticks and clubs, with a few rifles.

    Even now, if Joe had stones, with our missiles and bombs and artillery and a well planned mission or two carried out by our special forces, the Taliban could be sent back to their caves and order could easily be preserved by a force a fraction of the size of what we have in Germany and ISIS and Al Qaeda would evaporate into oblivion.

    But, Joe's brain, and stones, no longer function.


  10. by Donna on August 24, 2021 11:15 pm
    They tried that with "The Surge". It didn't work.

    It didn't work in Vietnam or Iraq either.

    Our F-18s and laser guided missiles are no match for Taliban's guerilla warfare techniques and their will to win.

    We replaced a theocracy with a kleptocracy. Not many Afghans wanted to risk their lives to support a foreign-supported kleptocracy.

    We could send everything we have at the Taliban, and tens of thousands of people would die, including innocent men, women, and children, but the Taliban or some group like it would eventually come back and the kleptocratic US-sponsored puppet government we replaced them with would fold overnight like we just saw.

    I heard from one source that the provincial leaders that were part of the US-backed government were kleptocratic figureheads and that the Taliban never really lost control of most of the provinces, which is why the Taliban was able to take over at lightning speed.

    Btw, when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, women went to school and had jobs and rights. The US responded by training and arming the most fanatical elements of Islam, the Mujahideen, of which OBL was a member, to drive them out. And after they drove the Soviets out, elements of that group became the Taliban.

    So the US government was much more interested in winning the Cold War than protecting the rights of girls, women, and LGBTQs in Afghanistan.

    Yeah, I suppose the US could have just kept on doing what it's been doing there for 20 years and at least give the girls, women, and LGBTQs some freedom.

    And if that were the policy instead of pulling out, I wouldn't oppose it. But it comes at a price.

    Our own country is in turmoil now. If we don't save ourselves, we won't have a country to save girls and women in other parts of the world.




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