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By Curt_Anderson
August 23, 2021 1:09 pm
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On FOX News Sunday Chris Wallace showed a clip of Biden saying "I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world". Wallace said that Biden was "flat out wrong" and then followed up with a quote of a German who called the withdrawal a "debacle" and somebody in the House of Parliament criticizing Biden for saying the Afghanistan military offered little to no resistance to the Taliban.

ABC New drew a similar conclusion:

'I have seen no question of our credibility from our allies around the world.' [Biden said]

An easily disputable statement from Biden came in response to a question that asked for his response to American partners who have criticized the conduct of the U.S. withdrawal and questioned America's credibility on the world stage. [ABC fact checkers' response]


In both cases of fact checking follow-ups intending to refute were non sequiturs. That the withdrawal was criticized and considered a debacle isn't the same as having our credibility questioned. You can say that somebody performed poorly at something but still believe them. If my wife burns dinner I don't suddenly announce she isn't credible.

As for the British parliamentarian, I don't why he thought it "shameful" that Biden said that Afghan military offered next to no resistance to the Taliban. That Brit was apparently putout, but that's also not questioning American credibility. If Biden made the opposite point and said the Afghan military performed admirably and they were worth the billions we paid them, I'd be calling out Biden on a lie.

Credibility means believability. If anybody is going to fact check Biden on his statement about our credibility, then they need to show quotes of foreign leaders saying they don't believe us or saying we are untrustworthy or that they are skeptical of America and/or Biden. Not that they didn't like how the withdrawal has conducted. That's a non sequitur.


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  1. by Donna on August 23, 2021 1:19 pm
    I addressed that in another thread. I quoted the reporter's question about "criticisms" and questions of "credibility" from US allies along with Biden's response, to which he said something along the lines of "I haven't heard any of that".

    Actually there was plenty of criticisms from our allies, which Biden didn't acknowledge.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on August 23, 2021 1:43 pm
    I am not talking about international criticisms. I am focused on the clip and quote of Biden responding to the issue of our credibility.

    I have yet to see any credible source of foreign governments questioning our credibility.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 23, 2021 2:53 pm

    What was called shameful was Biden, who never defended the colors, criticized the fighters in the Afghan army.

    But, again, the issue that Joe claimed he had received no criticism, only support, from our European allies.


  4. by Donna on August 23, 2021 3:00 pm
    That's not what Biden said. He said that our allies didn't question his administration's credibility. Biden dodged the part of the reporter's question about some of our allies' criticisms on how the withdrawal was carried out.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on August 23, 2021 3:12 pm

    Fine, Curt. If you say so. This all started when Clouseau lied.

    And, the nature of his lie prompted Wallace's question about whether or not Joe knows what's going on. His familarity with the ex trucker, apparently, prevented Blinken from affirming that he does.


  6. by Donna on August 23, 2021 3:27 pm
    Hts - What would YOU have done if you were president instead of Biden? You said you would have rather that we kept bases there like we did in Germany and Korea. Okay, so it's January 20, 2021, your first day in office. Your predecessor left you with 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, down from the 13,000 that were stationed there prior to the signing of Trump and the Taliban's withdrawal plan on Feb 29, 2020. No one has been evacuated, and the agreement says we have to have all of our military personnel out of there by May Day 2021.

    What do you do?


  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 6:13 am

    Donna,

    I would have reversed course. I would have said that, as long as I am in charge, this courtry will be a source of stability where Islamic terrorism is a threat to the entire world as we are providing stability in Europe and Asia.

    I could not have abandoned the girls and women in that part of the world.

    If I had to abandon those innocent people, I would not have withdrawn any troops or one bullet of weaponry until all of our people and everyone of our allies were safely removed from danger. Then, I would have removed or destroyed all of our weapons.

    Then, I would have wept knowing that eventually, those merciless Taliban thugs would ruin the lives of millions.


  8. by islander on August 24, 2021 6:26 am

    "The airlift out of Afghanistan continues, with about 11,000 people flown out today. Since August 14, the U.S. has gotten about 48,000 people out of Afghanistan. While pundits have compared the evacuation from Afghanistan to that from Saigon in 1975 after North Vietnamese forces took the city, in that case the U.S. rescued about 7000 people in only two days, from April 29 to April 30." *
    * H.C.R.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on August 24, 2021 6:51 am

    Imagine all Americans and all of its allies being taken to safety BEFORE our military presence was needlessly removed!!!!!

    Politico says that less than 5,000 Americans have been taken to safety.


  10. by islander on August 24, 2021 7:21 am

    ”Imagine all Americans and all of its allies being taken to safety BEFORE our military presence was needlessly removed!!!!!”

    That seems to make perfect sense. Do you know why Trump didn’t do that or why, in your words, he “needlessly removed our troops” bringing our presence down to a meager 2500?

    ” Politico says that less than 5,000 Americans have been taken to safety.”

    You’re saying Politico claims less that 5,000 “,Americans”. what is the date and can you provide the link.

    On the 17th, this is what Politico said:

    “We predict that our best effort could look like 5,000 to 9,000 passengers departing per day,” he said. “But we are mindful that a number of factors influence this effort, and circumstances could change.”


    politico.com


  11. by Donna on August 24, 2021 7:44 am
    Hts: You would have had to drastically increase the troop level to accomplish those things. You would have had to break Trump's agreement with the Taliban. You would have risked reigniting the war.




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