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Speaker Johnson moves forward with foreign aid package, even if it risks his job
By Curt_Anderson
April 18, 2024 5:29 pm
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I don't share his political views, but I admire Johnson's exemplifying a profile in courage.

House Republicans are still at odds about moving forward with Speaker Mike Johnson's plan to vote on separate foreign aid packages, putting his leadership under threat.

I really don't understand Republicans like Marjory Taylor Greene and their vociferous resistance to sending military aid to Ukraine. Is it punishment for Zelenskyy's not kowtowing to Donald Trump and his "perfect phone call"?

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  1. by Indy! on April 18, 2024 6:44 pm

    I'd like to think it's because she understands Ukraine is just another endless money hole for the MIC to pick our pockets - but I doubt she's that enlightened.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on April 18, 2024 7:02 pm

    GOPs who oppose Ukraine aid, generally, note that "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" has no Ukraine strategy beyond spending money... with no end in sight.


  3. by Curt_Anderson on April 18, 2024 8:23 pm
    HtS
    When FDR created the Lend-Lease program we were still officially neutral but it was deemed in America's best interest. Roosevelt didn't have a particular strategy as to how England and the other democratic nations should defend themselves. Lend-Lease provided weaponry and military supplies that our soon-to-be allies used against Hitler and Germany. The situation is much the same now. Putin's bellicose belligerence seems very familiar to anybody who has read about WWII.

    I don't think anybody would be better at or more motivated in strategizing against the Russian incursions into Ukraine, than Ukraine.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 3:51 am

    Curt,

    Joe's job is to conduct US foreign policy in our interest, not Zelensky's. Not Ukraine's.

    Zelensky has imprisoned church leaders who don't rubber stamp his actions. He's has eliminated free speech. He ain't to Biden what Churchill was to Roosevelt.

    Joe's a "dithering and diminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap." He proves that moment by moment.


  5. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2024 7:22 am
    Those “church leaders” of which you speak are Russian orthodox priests who collaborated with Putin and the Russian military Against Ukraine. They should consider themselves lucky. Our allies during World War II executed collaborators within their midst.

    But I get it, you don’t like Zelenskyy, so you are rooting for Vladimir Putin.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 8:15 am

    I understand that. AND, I know that, bottom line, you have no respect for the radical liberties guaranteed to American citizens. So, if Zelensky screws religious freedom in his own country, you don't give freakin friggin EFFIN d@ng.

    But, it's American's dollars that that "dithering and diminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" wants to send to Zelensky... lots of em... with every expectation that it'll be the same next year, and the next, and the next... if the Oval Office Oaf is still President.

    And, many Americans do care about liberty.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 8:24 am

    As far as Zelensky and Putin are concerned...

    ...pb's been the superhawk here on Ukraine since before Russia crossed the border. From the beginning, pb's said that Joe's been weak and feckless on Ukraine. From the beginning, pb's trashed President Clouseau for not supporting Ukraine strongly enuff.

    To the degree pb has reservations about the Biden Ukraine aid package it's because it's too weak and will continue to be ineffective.


  8. by Ponderer on April 19, 2024 9:17 am

    "Is it punishment for Zelenskyy's not kowtowing to Donald Trump and his "perfect phone call"?"
    I think you nailed it. MAGA Hats are absolutely just that petty and sociopathically vindictive.


    "Those “church leaders” of which you speak are Russian orthodox priests who collaborated with Putin and the Russian military Against Ukraine." -Curt

    Curt, you have to remember that MAGA Hats like Hate actually think that the violent insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol on January 6th were merely disgruntled rally-goers who were refusing to kowtow to the legitimate, legal, and fair election results. And a lot of them are being put in prison for it! The very idea!

    So Ukrainian priests who treasonously conspire with Putin to overthrow their country are patriots in the the eyes of Trump Party members and should be given parades, not prison terms. If a priest in Ukraine pulled out a Kalashnikov and blew away a couple military leaders in the front pew, Hate would argue for their complete immunity just because they are priests.


    Please excuse Hate for being the pathetically deranged, asinine, stupid, idiotic moron that he is. He literally doesn't know any better. Reality and truth are like water off a duck's back to him.



  9. by Indy! on April 19, 2024 9:24 am

    We know just from the way this entire Ukraine thing has been handled that it's just more theft. A Zelensky tribute at the Oscars? Come on, people - it doesn't get anymore blatant than that.


  10. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 9:51 am

    Please excuse Hate for being the pathetically deranged...

    Thanks, po. Got it... because if anyone here on SS knows what it's like to be deranged, it's you. I'm certain that I do deranged imperfectly. You? You dabomb!



  11. by oldedude on April 19, 2024 10:49 am
    So first. I don't see what the problem is with voting on foreign assistance separately. At all. I wish they would do that with all the bills (meaning the military package is ONLY military package, no extra pork used for pay backs for votes).

    I agree with the fact that every president is sworn to make decisions based on what is good for the country. Period. NOT his/hers special interests (or paybacks from bribery).

    I am split on Zelenski. We've supported worse, and some better. He's in the middle of a war on his turf with an enemy for the past 80+ years.

    Putin is an ultra-Nationalist that makes the Klan and even the most organized radical right wing American group look like a playground bully. Putin is also one of the big Five that are sworn to take the US over, hopefully by violent means. Of course, the others are China and the CCP, Iran, DPRK, and Islamic Jihaadists.

    Ukraine an eastern bloc nation. They're going to act like they were taught. He isn't "silencing" them like the Russians, Romanians, Haitians, etc would. And the US is placing parents that "disagree" with the government stance on schools on the international terrorist watch list. So be careful in a glass house.

    This is a proxy war from China. The sole purpose for the war is to recover a port for the Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol. Therefore he MUST have Crimea. I think he may keep going until he gets it or loses power (which China will help him keep). What it does for China, Iran, the intifada, and DPRK is to split our resources (already depleted forces, oil, and money). So take your pick. You give Russia back it's Black Sea Fleet and make their footprint much larger in the area, or you use up resources you'll need for fighting the Chinese, DPRK, Iran, and Jihaadists.

    FDR. Making that comparison is questionable. First, that was when wars were as most people would "describe" them. Two or more countries with flags, and military uniforms with a set of "rules" that were agreed upon (with exceptions). War has changed since Korea. Medics are not required to identify themselves because the cross is now used as a target. The armies of the Jihaad and Intifada do not fall into the Geneva Conference "definition" of any sort of military. This is a big issue for those who can't get out of the "WWII definition and mindset" of "War" and who want jihaadists treated under the WWII "rules of engagement."




  12. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 11:13 am

    I am split on Zelenski. We've supported worse, and some better. He's in the middle of a war on his turf with an enemy for the past 80+ years.

    Bang on. On your whole post.

    In this thread, I've been attempting to splain some of what I'm hearing on the right.

    I, personally, have been very hawkish on Ukraine from the very beginning. But, people like po and Donna... and isle... and Curt, and many woke whitesters have projected Zelensky as a heroic fighter for democracy. He ain't. They're fools.

    He has canceled elections, silenced speech and persecuted dissenting religions. He ain't no democrat.

    I criticize our "dithering and diminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" Oval Office Oaf not because Zelensky is Gandhi 2.0, as po does,... but because I think that a Domino Theory thing is possible in that part of the world. And, the Flatulent Fool is weak and brainless.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2024 11:31 am
    So HtS's view is that Biden is mentally incompetent, brainless even, however he believes that it's essential that Biden develop, implement and make pubic a Ukraine strategy before any funds are spent on military assistance for Ukraine.

    Suppose my neighbor's home catches fire, and I have a length of garden hose four or five hundred feet away. If he can take my garden hose and connect it up with his hydrant, I may help him to put out his fire...I don't say to him before that operation, "Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it".... I don't want $15--I want my garden hose back after the fire is over. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    That's how FDR justified his Lend-Lease program. HtS in that situation wouldn't just worry about his $15 hose, he'd have strong opinions about his neighbor's fire-fighting techniques.



  14. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 11:54 am

    Curt,

    You're not describing my view accurately. My opinion is that WWIII is more possible than ever because a brainless, "dithering and diminished" Doddering Old Fool is America's President.

    The best way to move forward is to assure that he won't be President starting in early 025.


  15. by Indy! on April 19, 2024 12:28 pm

    Everytime we've done that RECENTLY (no anarchic WWI anecdotes) - it's backfired...

    Kuwait? Still an oppressive monarchy

    Iraq? Now an ally to our enemy Iran instead of just a toothless dictator ranting like Trump on Twitter reinstatement day. And if you want to go further? ISIS and Syria were part of the blowback from that dumb mistake.

    Afghanistan? We handed it back over to the same regime we were trying to "regime change". Oh - that's after also leaving them billions of dollars worth of high tech military equipment they never would have been able to acquire thru their own means.

    Ukraine? We're purposely not hopping in to end this thing because corporate America knows Americans would never fall for THAT one and if we did it would force the gravy train to end it's run about 18 stops (read: years) before it would if we just keep handing them weapons to sell to terrorists worldwide.


  16. by Curt_Anderson on April 19, 2024 12:32 pm
    "Is it punishment for Zelenskyy's not kowtowing to Donald Trump and his "perfect phone call"?" --Me

    I think you nailed it. MAGA Hats are absolutely just that petty and sociopathically vindictive. --Ponderer


    Trump's motivations aren't difficult to understand or predict. He is driven by personal self-interest (as opposed to America's best interests) and revenge. Here is a new article from Politico:
    Why Donald Trump ‘hates Ukraine’
    “Trump hates Ukraine,” said Lev Parnas, a Ukrainian-American businessman who once served as a fixer in Ukraine for Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and later turned against the former president. “He and people around him believe that Ukraine was the cause of all Trump’s problems.”
    politico.eu


  17. by HatetheSwamp on April 19, 2024 12:46 pm

    One thing about deranged bigotry is that it is entirely incapable of discerning objective truth.

    The GOP is the home of openness and inclusion, acceptance, diversity, tolerance and freedom. In reality, many GOPs support Ukraine. Among those who don't, the most vehement ain't Trump supporters. In fact,... and, understand,... I don't claim omniscience as po does,... many MAGAs support Ukraine. Some don't. po... Please break that down for us...

    ...but,...

    ...the GOP faction that is strenuously opposed to our "dithering and diminished" "feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" Ukraine policy is not MAGA. It's the libertarian-ish group who are small government isolationists.

    po, by all means, splain. And, Curt, you're our most devoted Fox viewer. Chip in your knowledge, too.

    What I know is that this ain't a MAGA thing.


  18. by oldedude on April 19, 2024 2:03 pm
    Lead- I agree that WWIII is much more predictable than WWII. And that was pretty predictable. I don't believe it will be climate change that will murder the earth. The globe won't last that long and no one cares. The idea that we are sucking the arse of both Russia and China doesn't bother most people. And they both have us pretty much where they want us.

    1. pedojoe just sold off the reserve heating oil. Again a stupid move (every time he does it). He just made it horribly expensive to drill in the US. Regardless of what you think about internal combustion engines, we can't dump them in the next 18 months. It just can't happen.

    2. like obomber, pedojoe just gave back money that was seized in illegal money laundering by the Iranians. They are now using that money to fund the global jihaadist world-wide for what they feel is the final battle of Armageddon lead by the 12th Imam. So they'll (literally) blow the world up to prove a religious point.

    2. Again, sanctions were put on China and Russia. They didn't come close to the targets we need to get rid of.


  19. by oldedude on April 19, 2024 6:03 pm
    One additional point. Radical Islam, be they ISIS, ISIL, Hamas, PLO, and Intifada, and the other hundred or so major groups that slit children's throats and take girls as sex slaves, etc. You have all one common denominator. You wish, above all things, in the genocide of Israel and the United States (along with UK, CA, AU, NZ, GE, etc). So if you believe in "from the river to the sea," you are a piece that believes in your heart that races, religions, and ideals must be eliminated from the face of the earth. And honestly, don't bullshit me into "I don't believe in this or that." You support genocide. You are on the outer fringe of global terrorism just for saying "from the river to the sea." If you say you don't, then you're too stoopid to understand they're using you as an idiot. And you deserve to be treated as they treat their enemies.


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