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Joe Gifts Taliban with $Billions in US Weaponry

By HatetheSwamp
August 19, 2021 8:29 am
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Do any of you, apart from Donna, have the integrity to acknowledge that Joe blew it!!!!!!?


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  1. by Donna on August 19, 2021 9:43 am
    Not to minimize it, but that's been happening since at least as far back as the 70s. In recent years, that also happened in Iraq and Syria.


  2. by Donna on August 19, 2021 9:44 am
    See article below.
    amnesty.org.uk


  3. by Curt_Anderson on August 19, 2021 9:56 am
    The billions of dollars in weaponry was spent and sent to Afghanistan for the past twenty years. It's a safe a bet that the corrupt recently-deposed government sold at least some of it to unsavory characters--no questions asked.

    Biden just put a stop to that money pit. Thank you Mr. President!


  4. by HatetheSwamp on August 19, 2021 10:16 am

    Curt,

    You definitely were the kid in high school who, on Friday afternoon, would raise your hand and say, "But Mrs. Finkelstein, you forgot to give us our homework."

    You're a hoot!


  5. by islander on August 19, 2021 3:58 pm

    Biden gave away $Billions in weaponry in 7 months? Are you sure? How did he do it?

    I thought we’d been supplying the Afghan government and its military forces with weaponry for the past 20 years to fight the Taliban! When, exactly, in the past 7 months were we supposed to take it away from them and bring all that weaponry home?

    Or, do you think we should have sent in substantially more troops to fight the Taliban while we took those weapons away from the government troops?

    Honestly, Hate's, I wish you could explain your topic headings and why you post them a little better.



  6. by Donna on August 19, 2021 4:01 pm
    Almost everything he posts is meant to provoke the rest of us. It must suck to be that bored.


  7. by islander on August 19, 2021 4:39 pm
    Hate probably doesn't have a garden or any hobbies. I wonder what he does all day?


  8. by HatetheSwamp on August 19, 2021 4:48 pm


    I linked to an article.

    "Between 2003 and 2016, the United States transferred 75,898 vehicles, 599,690 weapons, 162,643 pieces of communications equipment, 208 aircraft, and 16,191 pieces of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance equipment to Afghan forces, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report.

    From 2017 to 2019, the United States also gave Afghan forces 7,035 machine guns, 4,702 Humvees, 20,040 hand grenades, 2,520 bombs and 1,394 grenade launchers, among other equipment, according to a report last year from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR)."

    The source is The Hill, not The LIMBAUGH LETTER.

    I think I understand how you Swampcult Blue MAGAs here can still be supporting Clouseau. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    The news I've been watching show Taliban videos of huge caches of weapons they've acquired.

    Please don't trust pb. My source for this is impeccable.

    And, it highlights another ugly truth about the Trump/Biden plan to abandon Afghanistan.


  9. by Donna on August 19, 2021 6:18 pm
    Of course that's tragic. Isn't that also what happened in Iraq and Syria? Btw I was opposed to the US going in militarily to all of those places.


  10. by Donna on August 19, 2021 6:58 pm
    The Soviet Union also left a lot of military equipment in Afghanistan.

    Has there ever been a war where the visiting team pulled out and brought all of their stuff back home?


  11. by HatetheSwamp on August 20, 2021 4:02 am

    Donna,

    I'm not a war historian but I think you're being conveniently naíve again.

    We weren't leaving because we were defeated. We were leaving because we gave up. We absolutely could have executed as orderly a withdrawal as we wanted to, removing our citizens first, then our weapons and, then, finally, our troops.


  12. by islander on August 20, 2021 4:33 am

    ” We weren't leaving because we were defeated. We were leaving because we gave up. We absolutely could have executed as orderly a withdrawal as we wanted to, removing our citizens first, then our weapons and, then, finally, our troops.” ---Hate

    Now who’s being naïve? LoL !!!


  13. by HatetheSwamp on August 20, 2021 4:44 am

    Apparently, you.


  14. by islander on August 20, 2021 11:32 am

    I suspect you know that it’s virtually impossible for the 2500 troops left on the ground to accomplish what you think they could do, execute an orderly withdrawal in the remaining few weeks, removing our citizens first, then our weapons and, then, finally, our troops. What about the Afghan translators and others who worked for us? How would we get our weapons back from the Taliban? Do you really think the government army that we armed and trained would be loyal to us knowing that we negotiated a deal with the Taliban to abandon them?

    Or do you think we should start all over with another surge of how many tens of thousands of troops, defeat the Taliban, take back our weapons, and then execute an orderly withdrawal?

    Have you thought this through?


  15. by HatetheSwamp on August 20, 2021 11:42 am

    isle,

    I take your point. From Inauguration Day Joe's handling of the withdrawal has been a clusterf*ck.

    From that there first moment, it was inevitable that Joe was engineering one of the most humiliating moments in American history.


  16. by islander on August 20, 2021 12:09 pm

    Just as I thought...You didn't think this all the way through...


  17. by Donna on August 20, 2021 12:33 pm
    OF COURSE 2,500 troops wouldn't have been able to accomplish that - not even close. And OF COURSE hts knows that (or should know that).


  18. by HatetheSwamp on August 20, 2021 12:58 pm

    Donna,

    In recent days Joe has sent, what?, 5,000? 6,000? or is it 7,000 troops into Afghanistan?

    I think you know that, and probably our best informed, bahahahaha, poster, isle, does, too.

    C'mon, Donna, gimme a break!


  19. by Donna on August 21, 2021 8:54 am
    And you know that that was to secure the airport so that more people could leave.

    Trump, who is relevant to what's happening in Afghanistan now because his administration negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban, not only didn't remove any military equipment or Americans and their allies when he was president, but sabotaged an orderly withdrawal by whittling the American presence there down to 2,500 people before Biden took office which isn't nearly enough personnel to execute an orderly withdrawal... which was probably the plan all along.



  20. by Donna on August 21, 2021 9:03 am
    It's coming out now through a former aid of VP Pence that Trump and his advisor Stephen Miller deliberately gummed up the process that would allow American allies in Afghanistan passage to the US.

    Link below.
    independent.co.uk


  21. by HatetheSwamp on August 21, 2021 9:09 am


    Two truths, Donna.

    1. Joe's gang was prepared to hit the ground running with those 20 Executive Orders the demented doddering old ex trucker signed before he said night, night on Immaculation Day.

    2. Trump and Pence have been gone for more than seven months!

    There's no way a rational person can suggest that the old fart bears no responsibility.


  22. by Curt_Anderson on August 21, 2021 9:17 am
    Donna,
    Interesting report. Not surprising though. If Trump really intended to leave Afghanistan, he wouldn't have waited until the fourth year of his presidency. Withdrawal is counter to Trump's psychological profile. He can't accept being called a loser. And withdrawing is losing.

    Trump’s Pledge to Exit Afghanistan Was a Ruse, His Final SecDef Says

    Former Trump Defense Sec Says He Never Intended to Go Through with Afghanistan Plan
    Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper said on Tuesday that he was concerned that Donald Trump “undermined” the United States’ 2020 agreement with the Taliban by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the conditions of the deal.
    defenseone.com
    hillreporter.com


  23. by Donna on August 21, 2021 9:23 am
    Biden could have sent additional soldiers earlier, but that would have pretty much restarted the.war because by the time Biden took office, most of that equipment was already in the hands of the Taliban and it woyld have taken a war-level effort to take it all back from them.

    All four US presidents that presided over the war share blame, IMO Bush first, then Obama, then Trump, then Biden.


  24. by Curt_Anderson on August 21, 2021 9:30 am
    All four US presidents that presided over the war share blame, IMO Bush first, then Obama, then Trump, then Biden. --Donna

    Biden certainly deserves less blame, in any blame for the war. He can be criticized for the less than orderly withdrawal, although we know how Trump sabotaged that in advance. Biden promised during his campaign to leave Afghanistan. As vice-president he advocated leaving Afghanistan.


  25. by Donna on August 21, 2021 9:47 am
    Trump and his overtly racist advisor Stephen Miller actively worked against taking in Afghans who helped the US. See link.
    thedailybeast.com


  26. by HatetheSwamp on August 21, 2021 10:08 am

    Gang!

    Joe's smoke filled room handlers hit the ground running reversing 20 Trump policies by Executive Order on Immaculation Day. They could have done that with the Afghan withdrawal. They didn't.

    And, c'mon man. Gimme a break. Even if Trump had completely sabotaged the withdrawal...if he could even to that seven months in advance...

    ...all Joe's cronies had to do was announce that the outgoing administration has made it impossible to meet our target date for withdrawal from Afghanistan and apologize for having to move back the date.

    No.

    There's no way around it. This is Joe's mess. 100%!


  27. by Donna on August 21, 2021 10:36 am
    100%? So IOW you're saying that you aren't willing to have a reasonable conversation about this, I guess because being provocative is more fun and requires less work.





  28. by HatetheSwamp on August 21, 2021 10:47 am

    Donna,

    No doubt mine is a strong opinion but Joe now has total control of the when, where and how of the withdrawal.

    Anything that Trump did that was problematic, Joe and his team could have changed.

    Tell me what, about this, you contend Joe is not in charge of, good or bad. I'm certainly willing to listen but you're going to have to be convincing.


  29. by Donna on August 21, 2021 11:22 am
    It's useless to try to reason with you. This would be a much better forum without your trolling.


  30. by HatetheSwamp on August 21, 2021 12:17 pm

    Donna,

    Respond to my assertion that, even if Trump completely sabotaged this withdrawal, Joe's gang could have started from scratch.

    As a side note, I'm watching MSNBC, CNN and Fox heavily. Incidentally, when I've been watching, CNN, especially is thrashing Joe.

    Anyway, I'm not hearing anyone suggesting that responsibility lies with anyone other than Joe. There was a chat I caught on MSNBC that suggested that Trump's refugee guy is an out and out racist and that he was doing all he could to keep them derned A Rabs out of America but, again, Joe could have started from scratch.

    Now, if you want to agree with me that we should have treated Afghanistan like Germany, Japan and South Korea,...


  31. by Curt_Anderson on August 21, 2021 12:18 pm
    I am surprised HtS and people of his ilk aren't big fans of the Taliban. The Taliban is doing for their country what Trump only promised to do for America: they know how to keep foreigners and they are tough on crime.


  32. by islander on August 21, 2021 12:18 pm

    "It's useless to try to reason with you. This would be a much better forum without your trolling."

    Donna, you are absolutely right. It is useless to try and reason with a troll like Hate. As is obvious from his posts, he's not here to reason with anyone. What I've found interesting is looking into the question of what drives trolls. What are the personality and character traits that trolls are possessed of? We have our own troll right here in the character of 'Hate The Swamp' that we can study. Do a little research on this subject and you'll be amazed at how accurately they describe him. Check out the link. It's really quite interesting.
    theconversation.com


  33. by Curt_Anderson on August 21, 2021 12:33 pm
    Islander, Donna, HtS, et al,
    Have you ever seen a warning pop up on SelectSmart.com that this is an "insecure" website? That's because currently the pages on this site start with http: rather than https:. The "s" in those prefixes means secure and that information you input is encrypted. I have always considered it non-issue since I don't collect credit card information or even any personal identifying information. Nowhere on this site are you asked for your real name or email address.

    However, I don't like seeing the warnings pop up. So in about a month, we'll have our SSL certificate which means that this site is certified "safe" (and that I paid the certifiers to not say otherwise). We are in midst of upgrading this site. I am hopeful that making the site "safer" or at least the absence of security warnings will increase the participation in his forum.


  34. by islander on August 21, 2021 12:44 pm

    Thanks Curt.

    I had seen the warning notice but was never really sure what it meant.


  35. by HatetheSwamp on August 21, 2021 12:51 pm

    Groovy, Curt. As always, thanks.


  36. by Donna on August 21, 2021 1:07 pm
    Interesting article, islander. In the old forum, pb once admitted to having no empathy, which I think sometimes he tries to overcompensate for. I think he's basically a nice person who gets off on "negative social potency" which according to the author of the article is their main motivatiom. It's a challenge to employ the suggested counter, though, especially in a forum with only a few participants.




  37. by islander on August 21, 2021 2:38 pm

    You got that right Donna ! It is difficult when there is only the troll and a few other people posting !!


  38. by oldedude on August 23, 2021 11:22 pm
    "We weren't leaving because we were defeated. We were leaving because we gave up. We absolutely could have executed as orderly a withdrawal as we wanted to, removing our citizens first, then our weapons and, then, finally, our troops."

    That was Trump's plan. It would have actually taken months to do that. As the draw down happens, our "government" pulls in the terps, drivers, etc that have helped us. These folks are already vetted. We also get out the missionaries and other various folks. Then the military leaves their FOBs. What happened is that we left classified communications equipment with these animals, which they'll use to sell to the Russians and Chinese to murder our military. An M4 is one thing. It's as good as the hands that use it. What we need to do is to recreate the EFPs that Iran used to kill and wound thousands of our coalition troops and turn it on them.
    I think it's interesting that the site is talking about the "political" ramification without touching anything close to the human suffering that is happening. It's like no one cares that a "woman" (in quotes because they could be 8 years old) is going to get raped and (slowly) beheaded for trying to be educated. Or have a job. Women cannot see a male doctor, but women are not allowed to be educated. So where does a woman go? No hospitals will take her. She usually dies a horrible (perfectly treatable) death.


  39. by islander on August 24, 2021 6:10 am

    I think you have Trump's plan wrong old dude.

    Trump amd Miller made what you are described as Trump's plan extremely difficult if not impossible.

    "Trump Administration Has Drastically Dropped Visas For Afghan And Iraqi Interpreters"
    May 1, 2019 5:10 AM ET
    npr.org




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