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So. po and Donna and Curt? You still standin by your man?

Do you have an ounce of regret over foisting that perverted and demented doddering old fart, who thinks he used to drive an 18 wheeler, on America?

It used to be so easy for me to laugh at Joe...and your support of Joe. But, now it's a matter of the blood of America's friends being shed.

You're not so funny to me now.

What can't be denied now is that Trumpaphobia kills.

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by Curt_Anderson on August 18, 2021 8:21 am Absolutely no regrets. Btw, Biden's still more approved than disapproved: 49.3 over 44.2. Anyway, if 538's aggregate of polls really meant something to you, you would have abandoned Trump long ago and hopped on the Joe Biden Express with us. Biden's worst approval number is still way better than Trump's best (as you can see if you scroll down a bit on the page I link to below). projects.fivethirtyeight.com by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 8:37 am Baffling reply, there, Curt. When the aggregate polls go south, and Joe's under water there, will YOU dump Joe? I would have gladly dumped Trump given a decent alternative. Certainly, I wasn't going to dump him for the guy whom we now know believes he used to drive an 18 wheeler. I know that, no matter what happens with the border, or crime, inflation and, now, international affairs, some people will still back Joe. At what point might you say that you can no longer go with Joe? I remember, back in the day, I knew people who still stood with Nixon after he resigned. Are you going to do that with the perverted and demented doddering old fart from Delaware? by Donna on August 18, 2021 8:58 am I have no regrets either, especially given the alternative. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 9:09 am Donna, Even as America's left-behind friends in Afghanistan face a doubtful future depending on the mercy of the Taliban!!!!!? Even Joe claims to have once driven an 18 wheeler? I'm stunned. The people on the old forum who voted for Trump were honest about their struggles over supporting such a man because of his many flaws. Your unabashed, even strident support of Joe makes no sense if, of course, you have a heart. by Donna on August 18, 2021 9:32 am The only alternative was staying there forever, which even Trump was opposed to. Btw, I'm willing to have a reasonable conversation, but if you're not willing to do that, then I'll confine my conversations to the other posters. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 10:00 am I've seen video of Trump from last night explaining how he would have done the withdrawal differently, including removing people and, according to him, $billions and billions in weaponry before troops were removed. And, including requiring the Taliban to meet our specific goals before advancing toward withdrawal. BTW, I disagree with that, as I've said. But, Donna, if Trump had been reelected and handled the withdrawal as Joe has, I can guaran dang tee you that I'd be the most vociferous person here denouncing him. I might not be saying that I wish I voted for Joe, but I absolutely would be all over Trump like a fly on poop. In the end, this is all about Joe. How Curt and you so easily seem to think that virtually everything, even now, is about Trump, boggles my mind! Your guy is in the Situation Room, when he shows up. From where I am, you're coming across as a shameless sycophant. I don't get how Joe inspires that sort of support. Donna, Joe's been declared the winner of the election. Trump's gone, probably forever, but at least until 024. All that matters now is Joe and the consequence of his decisions. And, still you stand in line. by Curt_Anderson on August 18, 2021 10:15 am HtS, Supposedly you sympathetically feel Biden is a victim of elder abuse. So I don't understand your obvious antipathy toward him. It seems more like a grudge than sympathy. Do you seriously think that we'd be influenced negatively by your recounting of Biden's purported slips of the tongue, misstatements and gaffes after four years of covfefe and Trump's breaking every record in the history of fact-checking? by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 10:31 am Do you seriously think that we'd be influenced negatively by your recounting of Biden's purported slips of the tongue, misstatements and gaffes after four years of covfefe and Trump's breaking every record in the history of fact-checking? Curt, Have I said on either forum that I despise Trump and that I think he's despicable? I think I have. While, in my opinion, some of the fact checking abuse of Trump is ideologically driven, I've watched many dozens of his speeches and pressers. When I say that I despise Trump and that I think he's despicable, it's based in evidence...more direct evidence than you'll ever accumulate. What you can explain to me is how Trump's narcissism and numerous character flaw change the reality about Joe. Joe, recently, quite seriously, claimed that he used to drive an 18 wheeler. Just a few days ago, he gave a speech about the withdrawal from Afghanistan that would have been perfectly appropriate on the day he announced the Afghan withdrawal as of 9 11, but virtually ignored the tragic current realities of the fall of Kabul. How the scores of Trump's flaws have anything to do with Joe's leadership of the nation and the many clues that suggest that Joe's mind is muddled, I can't imagine. by Ponderer on August 18, 2021 10:32 am "Even as America's left-behind friends in Afghanistan face a doubtful future depending on the mercy of the Taliban!!!!!?" -pb pb, your flaming hypocrisy literally sickens me. This is why I've come to hate conversing with you. You couldn't give any more of a flying rat's ass about the Afghan people than you did about the Kurds who Trump totally threw under the bus. Yes I care about the Afghans left behind, as I did about the Kurds (who trump NEVER tried to help or evacuate). But this was going to be a monumental cluster f*ck no matter what whenever we eventually left. Though I applaud Biden for taking the responsibility to stop the insanely pointless and wasteful occupation of Afghanistan and be the one to take the political hit for the resulting chaos, there were certainly many things that could have been done differently in a perfect world. No, I am not happy with the way things are going. It is impossible to imagine it going down in any way that everyone could be happy with. But to imagine that they would be going in any way better if Trump were still president (which he for a fact isn't, by the way) is delusion on a hopeless scale. I am not perfectly happy with Biden's presidency by any means. I never expected him to be perfect, or that I'd like all or even most of the things he did, just as I felt when Obama was elected. I would have felt the same way about a Sanders presidency, or any presidential candidate who I ever vote for. I do not demand perfection from any candidate I vote for, and I am not about to fool myself into thinking that my candidate is perfect just because I voted for them. But I, unlike you, am willing to criticize any candidate I have or will ever vote for. Something that you are completely incapable of pulling off at all. "The people on the old forum who voted for Trump were honest about their struggles over supporting such a man because of his many flaws. Your unabashed, even strident support of Joe makes no sense if, of course, you have a heart." -pb Which brings us to your shameless, flaming projection. Sure, you are willing to admit that you think Trump is a "despicable" person. But in the face of the endless cavalcade of his wanton criminal activity, vile sociopathy, self-serving greed, and blithering incompetence, you could NEVER bring yourself to criticize anything he ever did. Quite the contrary, you slavishly and reflexively supported everything he did. You defended everything that despicable, vile excuse for a human being ever did as president. You engaged in nothing short of cult worship of the man who, though "despicable", was immaculately infallible in your worshipful eyes. Whereas over the years, Donna, Curt and I have all criticized our candidates for things they did that we thought were wrong. So you can shut the f*ck up about our "unabashed" support of Biden. You are a boundlessly dishonest debater, pb. You never support your asinine contentions with any facts. You misrepresent others' positions. All you are interested in is inflaming emotions in others, since you have nothing of any substance to debate with. All because you have a fragile, terrified and bored ego to placate, and the only way you can feel good about yourself is by tearing down others who disagree with your erroneous and asinine assertions. Now here I am, already hating myself for allowing myself to get sucked back into your time-sucking bullshit, even for this one post. So just in case I come to my senses again and never respond to anything else you ever post going forward, please go and f*ck your dishonest, full-of-sh*t self. Please..... by Ponderer on August 18, 2021 10:38 am " But, Donna, if Trump had been reelected and handled the withdrawal as Joe has, I can guaran dang tee you that I'd be the most vociferous person here denouncing him." -pb In a pig's eye you would. And you f*cking know it. WE f*cking know it. THAT'S for sure. by Donna on August 18, 2021 10:42 am Trump continues to lie his ass off and his apologists and sycophants continue to swallow it whole. The Taliban started taking over provinces in May, but as recently as late June, Trump was out there criticizing Biden for not carrying his deal to withdraw by May. Btw, when Trump was president, he sidestepped the the president of Afghanistan and negotiated a deal with the Taliban and released 5,000 Taliban fighters, which the president of Afghan criticized because of the brutal record of many of those prisoners, which included the new Taliban president of Aghanistan. These are the guys who are now brutalizing all those women hts says he cares so much about. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 10:42 am po, Thanks for your long and passionate post. While you've made it clear that you don't appreciate my presence on this forum, I think that yours is an asset to the community of posters. As far as my long history of criticisms of Trump: Read my posts of today and yesterday expressing my disagreement with his decision to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan. You've, ironically, disagreed with me about it. I'm certain you can remember it. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 11:00 am when Trump was president, he sidestepped the the president of Afghanistan and negotiated a deal with the Taliban and released 5,000 Taliban fighters, which the president of Afghan criticized because of the brutal record of many of those prisoners, which included the new Taliban president of Aghanistan. These are the guys who are now brutalizing all those women hts says he cares so much about. -Donna I disagreed with Trump right down the line...to the very end. Based on what you've been saying, you agree with Trump in principle, if not on every specific. Trump's been gone for six and a half months. What's been going on since then is all about Joe and his team. Trump can be as obnoxious as he's always been. But, Joe's the man making the choices. Now, can you focus on what's happening now and not on Trump and his sycophants? by Donna on August 18, 2021 11:05 am I think that Biden could have made a more concerted effort to get people out of Afghanistan, which he's trying to make up for now by sending an additional 8,000 military personnel including 3,000 from Fort Hood to secure the airport in Kabul. by Curt_Anderson on August 18, 2021 11:08 am For the record, I never know what a person's real motivations are. I tend to believe that people aren't naturally malicious. In HtS's case, I don't believe that he's a troll just here to get a rise out of people. There must be happier hunting grounds for that sort of mischief. I think HtS is typical of many Trump supporter. He's angry and surprised that Trump wasn't re-elected. He can't understand why and is incredulous that most American are oblivious to Trump's supposed virtues. HtS's sincere. Sincerely deluded and deluding himself perhaps, but sincere nevertheless. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 11:29 am I think that Biden could have made a more concerted effort to get people out of Afghanistan, which he's trying to make up for now by sending an additional 8,000 military personnel including 3,000 from Fort Hood to secure the airport in Kabul. Not surprisingly, I disagree with your analysis... ...but I applaud for your ability to be honest. Am I reading you correctly in paraphrasing you as suggesting that he was what?, too tired?, too lazy?, too distracted with staying on vacation?, to make a focused effort to remove our friends and allies from Afghanistan?, that he should have put in more of an "effort?," but he, for one of those reasons or another just didn't try enough. I doubt that myself. But, if you're right that the President of the United States simply didn't work hard enough, should we be accepting that and forgiving it? Think Trump if he "could have made a more concerted effort?" I know that I wouldn't overlook that. If it were Trump, would you? by Ponderer on August 18, 2021 11:30 am "As far as my long history of criticisms of Trump: Read my posts of today and yesterday expressing my disagreement with his decision to withdraw our troops from Afghanistan." -pb Figures. The one thing that Trump got basically right, and Donna and I agree he did what was necessary, and you have to take the opposing position. How many more decades do you think we should have stayed there then? by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 11:43 am In HtS's case, I don't believe that he's a troll just here to get a rise out of people. There must be happier hunting grounds for that sort of mischief. I think HtS is typical of many Trump supporter. He's angry and surprised that Trump wasn't re-elected. He can't understand why and is incredulous that most American are oblivious to Trump's supposed virtues. HtS's sincere. Sincerely deluded and deluding himself perhaps, but sincere nevertheless. -Curt Believe me when I say that I'm far beyond reliving the election. I've been saying for months that I doubt that Joe won fair and square. But, Joe Biden is my President. The facts are that Joe Biden took the oath of office more than a half year ago and that nothing that was done recently as far as this issue is concerned...nothing at all...is Trump's doing. Joe overturned 20 Trump policies on Inauguration Day. He has had all of that time to alter the reality in Afghanistan. I have disagreed with everything both Trump and Biden did. I'm done with Trump. I've also been saying here that I hope Trump's influence in the GOP is in decline and that he will be a nonfactor in 022 and, certainly, that he won't be the GOP nominee in 024. I challenge you, Curt, as Donna has, to frame what happened in Afghanistan in terms of Biden's leadership. No doubt, you and I will see reality differently, as Donna and I do. But, at least, we'll be discussing current events. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 12:46 pm po, I've been there several times. We've been in Germany for nearly 80 years and in South Korea for 70 years. That's still working. Even you, as far as I know, are not calling for the removal of our troops from either place. My belief is that our presence in Afghanistan should have been ongoing and indefinite. by Ponderer on August 18, 2021 2:19 pm . "Believe me when I say that I'm far beyond reliving the election." Because... you've simply accepted as reality your belief that the election was stolen from Trump, and there's just nothing anyone can do to correct that heinous and fascist act by Biden's smoke-filled back room cabal at this point...? by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 2:30 pm po, The reality is that Joe Biden was certified as the winner of the election. He is my President. Am I among the nearly half of likely voters to think there were shenanigans? Yeah. But, there's nothing that's going to be done about it. There is a way in which I admire the Dems for the way that they handled the vote count. All that remains now is 022, then 024...and, of course, how far this Afghanistan thing falls apart for Joe. by Ponderer on August 18, 2021 2:35 pm IOW... I nailed it. by HatetheSwamp on August 18, 2021 3:50 pm You effin nailed what? by Curt_Anderson on August 18, 2021 4:09 pm There is a way in which I admire the Dems for the way that they handled the vote count. --HtS You must mean "the Dems" who counted and recounted the votes like all the Republican county clerks and Republican secretaries of state including Georgia's Brad Raffensperger and Republican led Arizona audit. It's your statements like that and your general inability to accept reality is where Ponderer nailed it. by HatetheSwamp on August 19, 2021 4:15 am You must mean "the Dems" who counted and recounted the votes like all the Republican county clerks and Republican secretaries of state including Georgia's Brad Raffensperger and Republican led Arizona audit. Bahahahaha hahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoo hehehehehehehe hahahahahaha hoohoohoohoohoohoo hahahahahaha hehehehehehehe hoohoohoohoohoohoo hehehehehehehe hoohoohoohoohoohoo hehehehehehehe hoohoohoohoohoohoo hehehehehehehe hahahahahaha, ahhhhhh! No. I mean the way the Dems adapted the Chicagoland model, VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN, using 21st century technology and methods to what might very well have been an Electoral College landslide for Donald Trump. Truly, to this day, they have GOP officials befuddled and defending their vote count. What the Dems did was truly ingenious. And, I applaud it in the way I'd admire a trick performed by the Great Houdini. As do nearly half of likely voters.

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