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By HatetheSwamp
August 16, 2021 1:12 pm
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I'm watching it now. My guess is that what Joe's saying will be shredded.


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  1. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 1:20 pm
    I think it is being well received.


  2. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 1:22 pm

    I heard three things.

    1. A defense of Trump's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.

    2. A denial of any personal responsibility because every non Taliban in Afghanistan let him down.

    3. A faux assertion that he'll continue to leave bravely.


  3. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 1:25 pm
    He literally said the "buck stops with me".


  4. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 1:29 pm

    Curt,

    He said it after the first 80% of the speech denied any personal failure because this was somebody else's plan and the Afganis left him down.

    To the moment he claimed to be where the buck stops, he proclaimed himself blameless.


  5. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 1:34 pm
    HtS,
    You must have been having an extended senior moment for most of his speech.

    Here is what Biden said:
    "The choice I had to make as your president was either to follow through on the agreement to drawdown our forces, or escalating the conflict and sending thousands more American troops back into combat and lurching into the third decade of conflict."

    "I stand squarely behind my decision."


  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 1:51 pm
    What he said is that he chose to carry out the policy dumped into his lap by Trump.

    And, did you notice the lie that the only alternative to Trump's plan was to escalate the war. Sheeeeeeeesh!

    My guess is that the already converted will be satisfied with the speech.


  7. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 1:55 pm
    HtS,
    I quick look at headlines are mostly quoting Biden in saying that he stands "by MY decision".

    Biden tells nation he stands 'squarely behind' decision to exit Afghanistan
    By Brooke Singman | Fox News
    President Biden addressed the nation Monday, saying he stands "squarely behind" his decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan after having a presence for 20 years, while admitting that the fall of the country to the Taliban "did unfold more quickly than we had anticipated."

    The president, speaking from the White House Monday, said his administration has been "closely monitoring the situation on the ground in Afghanistan," and is moving "quickly" to execute the new plans put in place.

    "I stand squarely behind my decision," the president said Monday. "After 20 years, I've learned the hard way, that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. forces."
    foxnews.com


  8. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 2:02 pm
    Nicole Wallace, MSNBC host, former GW Bush staffer and McCain advisor, said that 95% of the public will agree with Biden and 95% of the media will disagree with what Biden said.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 2:25 pm

    I heard her. And, I know you hope against hope that she's correct.

    My guess is that many Americans are going to be driven by compassion for those interpreters and translators who are going to be tortured to death and the women whose lot in life has just been destroyed...forever...

    ...and, especially, the teen age girls who are becoming Taliban sex slaves.

    Joe failed those people disastrously! Joe should be held responsible. Americans, I'm convinced, will care.

    Did you see the guy from the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans? He said that, for the most part, veterans are seriously pi$$ed.


  10. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 2:30 pm
    HtS
    I doubt Biden's speech will be shredded. I heard what he said but it's not a lie. It was either leave or commit to staying and escalating, that is
    reversing Trump's withdrawal.

    Trump's peace deal with the Taliban
    The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement aimed at ending the eighteen-year war in Afghanistan, but many factors could still disrupt the peace process.
    Signed in early 2020, the agreement addresses four issues: reducing violence, withdrawing foreign troops, starting intra-Afghan negotiations, and guaranteeing Afghanistan won’t again become a refuge for terrorists.

    Here is what you missed, HtS:
    I stand squarely behind my decision. After 20 years, I’ve learned the hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. forces.

    I know my decision will be criticized. But I would rather take all that criticism than pass this decision on to another president of the United States, yet another one, a fifth one.

    But I do not regret my decision to end America’s war-fighting in Afghanistan and maintain a laser focus on our counterterrorism mission, there and other parts of the world.

    I will not mislead the American people by claiming that just a little more time in Afghanistan will make all the difference. Nor will I shrink from my share of responsibility for where we are today and how we must move forward from here. I am president of the United States of America, and the buck stops with me.



    cfr.org


  11. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 2:41 pm
    HtS,
    It's natural that veterans never want to be on the losing side. As long as a war lags on they aren't losers. Unless there is an Appomattox Court House moment they won't be winners.


  12. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 2:42 pm

    It's stunning to me that you and I have different takes on the speech. Whoda ever think it?????

    Biden said that the buck stops with him but he's a lying politician who arrived in DC 50 years ago. Of course he said it and, of course, you're a fool if you believe it.

    The whole speech was about the debacle is the fault of Trump and the Afghan president and military.

    As of the end of the speech, Joe took responsibility for nothing. And, there will always be someone else at fault going forward.

    My guess is that veterans and the parents and spouses of fallen veterans are going to be screaming bloody murder in the days to come, and, by Nicole's 95 to 5, against Joe will be the score.


  13. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 2:51 pm

    Curt

    Did you catch Nicole's interview with Lindsay Addario about the plight of women in Afghanistan!!!!!? Joe's going to have to deliver for the women of Afghanistan. Big time!

    And, he won't.



  14. by Curt Anderson on August 16, 2021 3:04 pm
    HtS,
    It sucks for women in many countries. Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Chad, Democratic Republic of Congo, Mali, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon are some examples of countries where women have it bad.

    We have attempted to help Afghanistan's women as much or more than we have helped any of those countries' women. Is it America's role to right all the world's wrongs? Especially if the countries themselves aren't behind it.


  15. by HatetheSwamp on August 16, 2021 3:04 pm

    Curt,

    Re: It's natural that veterans never want to be on the losing side. As long as a war lags on they aren't losers. Unless there is an Appomattox Court House moment they won't be winners.


    But, that's not what they're talking about. They're talking about the interpreters/translators whom they befriended and are now in serious danger and who will probably meet a horrible end...

    ...whom Joe has not protected.

    You probably saw some of that in Nicole's interviews after the speech.


  16. by Ponderer on August 16, 2021 11:13 pm
    THE HUMAN COST:

    American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

    U.S. contractors: 3,846.

    Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

    Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

    Afghan civilians: 47,245.

    Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.

    Aid workers: 444.

    Journalists: 72.

    You seriously want to keep that going forever?


  17. by Donna on August 16, 2021 11:55 pm
    The Taliban’s recent advances in Afghanistan, capturing six provincial capitals in less than a week, have highlighted the impact of the US military withdrawal there and have thrown the future of the country into question. While several outspoken critics have objected to President Biden’s decision to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, the just-completed 2021 Chicago Council Survey, fielded July 7-26, shows that seven in ten Americans continue to back this decision.

    Bipartisan Support

    When asked whether they support or oppose the decision to withdraw US forces from Afghanistan by September 11, 2021, the 2021 Chicago Council Survey finds that 70 percent of Americans support it (29% oppose). This support spans partisan affiliations, though larger majorities of Democrats (77%) and Independents (73%) than Republicans (56%) agree.

    These results corroborate the findings of other polls conducted over the past several months. A May Quinnipiac poll found that 62 percent approved of President Biden’s decision to withdraw all US troops from Afghanistan by September 11 of this year, and an April Economist/YouGov poll found that 58 percent approved of the plan for withdrawal by September 11. The Economist/YouGov poll also found that majorities in military households (61%) and just over half of those currently serving in the military (52%) or those who served in the past (53%) supported the withdrawal.

    Bigger Picture

    American attitudes toward Afghanistan are somewhat sensitive to wording as well as policy. An April 2021 Fox News poll found that more Americans said the United States should keep some troops in the country for counterterrorism operations (50%) than said that the US should remove all troops from the country (37%). And even though a solid majority of Americans in the 2021 Chicago Council Survey support the troop withdrawal, as recently as last January a Chicago Council poll showed that Americans were equally divided on whether the United States should have (48%) or should not have (49%) long term bases there. However, at the same time, two-thirds said that the war in Afghanistan had not been worth the costs (65%, 32% worth it).



    For a longer-term look at attitudes toward US policy in Afghanistan, Karlyn Bowman offers a comprehensive summary.
    thechicagocouncil.org
    forbes.com


  18. by Donna on August 16, 2021 11:59 pm
    Conclusion: Most Americans are in favor of withdrawing from Afghanistan as long as we don't withdraw.


  19. by HatetheSwamp on August 17, 2021 4:29 am

    po,

    American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

    U.S. contractors: 3,846.

    Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

    Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

    Afghan civilians: 47,245.

    Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.

    Aid workers: 444.

    Journalists: 72.

    You seriously want to keep that going forever?


    Well said, until you blew it with the hyperbole in your last word.

    There hasn't been a US military death for 18 months.

    But, yes. I wanted to keep that going for the foreseeable future. With a force of a few thousand we kept the Taliban suppressed.

    And, more importantly, we had a presence in what's, today, the most dangerous part of the world.

    Don't you effin care about what's happening to the status of women in Afghanistan? Are you celebrating teen girls being handed over to Taliban warriors?

    Are you effin partying over the fate of the LGBTQ under the Taliban!

    Are you heartless, or are you brainless?


  20. by islander on August 17, 2021 6:18 am

    There hasn't been a US military death for 18 months

    "the disintegration of the Afghan military proved that pulling out the few remaining U.S. troops was the right decision. He inherited from former president Donald Trump the deal with the Taliban agreeing that if the Taliban stopped killing U.S. soldiers and refused to protect terrorists, the U.S. would withdraw its forces by May 1, 2021. The Taliban stopped killing soldiers after it negotiated the deal, and Trump dropped the number of soldiers in Afghanistan from about 15,500 to about 2,500.

    Biden had either to reject the deal, pour in more troops, and absorb more U.S. casualties, or honor the plan that was already underway. “I stand squarely behind my decision,” Biden said today. “American troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that Afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves. We spent over a trillion dollars. We trained and equipped an Afghan military force of some 300,000 strong—incredibly well equipped—a force larger in size than the militaries of many of our NATO allies…. We gave them every tool they could need. We paid their salaries, provided…close air support. We gave them every chance to determine their own future. What we could not provide them was the will to fight for that future.”

    * Heather Cox Richardson


  21. by Donna on August 17, 2021 7:51 am
    Right, islander. So if we didn't leave, we'd return to the situation which produced all of those stats I posted, which probably means that thousands more civilians, police, and coalition soldiers would be killed with no end in sight.

    There is no peaceful solution.




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