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Maine Kicks Trump Off the Ballot for Role in Jan. 6 Riot
By Curt_Anderson
December 28, 2023 4:48 pm
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It is the second state to deny former President Trump a spot on its primary ballot, saying that he is barred from seeking the presidency under the 14th Amendment.


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  1. by Curt_Anderson on December 28, 2023 5:12 pm
    Notice that Bellows uses the word "engaged" which appears in the 14th. She also mentions "given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

    In case anybody was wondering about the legal definition, "insurrection n: the act or an instance of revolting esp. violently against civil or political authority or against an established government."


    “I am mindful that no secretary of state has ever deprived a presidential candidate of ballot access based on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. I am also mindful, however, that no presidential candidate has ever before engaged in insurrection.,” [Maine's Secretary of State Shenna] Bellows wrote.

    Similar arguments were successful in Colorado, where the state’s highest court ruled 4 to 3 last week that Mr. Trump should be excluded from the ballot. That court cited a section of the amendment that prohibits people who have taken an oath “to support” the U.S. Constitution from holding office if they have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” or have “given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”


  2. by oldedude on December 28, 2023 8:29 pm
    And again. LEGAL DUE PROCESS. Which hasn't been done. Just so you bumkins actually understand the concept goes between states, and is a necessity in ALL courts in the US.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on December 28, 2023 8:34 pm

    Here she is in an MSNBC interview:
    View Video


  4. by HatetheSwamp on December 28, 2023 8:45 pm

    Tulsi trashes. A "known partisan." A "banana republic."

    Preach it, babe!

    View Video


  5. by Indy! on December 30, 2023 1:01 am

    Bumpkins


  6. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2023 4:34 am

    Right, Indy!.

    Playing silly Swampgames to win silly Swampprizes. But, the SwampLovers love them Swampgames...

    ...and, pb looooooves watching them get this excited.


  7. by islander on December 30, 2023 6:34 am

    I’m in full agreement with our state’s Secretary of State Shenna Bellows and I hope she is successful and other states join her.

    Donald Trump is not fit to be president, either morally or mentally. We should not even be considering making him the most powerful man on earth.

    Anyone who recognizes this should be working full time to legally prevent that from happening.

    I think Maine’s Secretary of State Bellows has made a strong case and I hope she prevails. I would however be more than pleasantly surprised if she is able to considering the makeup of the present Supreme Court. I do think (hope) shining a light on all of this will now help people to see that it’s time to re-examine our interpretation of the Constitution and work on fixing the flaws that make it possible for someone like Trump, who is a clear and present danger to our country and is totally unfit to be President of our country to be elected to the highest office when the majority of Americans do not want such a man sitting in the Oval Office with the power that goes with it.


    maine.gov


  8. by Ponderer on December 30, 2023 6:46 am

    "Donald Trump is not fit to be president, either morally or mentally. We should not even be considering making him the most powerful man on earth." -Isle

    The fact that so many are so willing to hand this country back over to him speaks to their own lack of fitness, morally or mentally, to be citizens of this country.

    They don't care how much he destroys America. They just love the way he's gonna stick it to the Libs!. That is the sort of asinine, infantile motivations that control them.

    Our own Hate is a blatant example of that. He's only in it for the entertainment value. That's what's important to him. He couldn't giveafuck about the horrific effects it will have on America. He's already said as much.

    Some "American citizen", huh?



  9. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2023 7:10 am

    The fact that so many are so willing to hand this country back over to him speaks to their own lack of fitness, morally or mentally, to be citizens of this country.

    Agreed.

    It's "that so many are so willing to hand this country back over to"..." that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" that is the real problem. Not?

    pb supports Ron DeSantis for President... and will vote third party in November.

    You?


  10. by islander on December 30, 2023 7:45 am

    "pb supports Ron DeSantis for President... and will vote third party in November.

    You?"
    ~ Hate

    I'm glad to hear that! If Trump is running I hope more from your side will choose to do that as well.

    I'll be voting for the man who has done a remarkable job, actually beyond my wildest expectations, of straightening out the the mess that Trump and his Movement Republican followers created. Biden saved our country from being put through a devastating second Trump term, and Biden has put our country back on the right course !

    Let's all toast to the President of The United States" "Joe Biden" !!! 🍻


  11. by HatetheSwamp on December 30, 2023 5:44 pm

    Here's a zinger for you, isle. Even Jimmy Carter had a higher approval rating at this point in his presidency than does the Doddering Old Fool.
    projects.fivethirtyeight.com


  12. by oldedude on December 30, 2023 7:50 pm
    Isle-"Donald Trump is not fit to be president, either morally or mentally. We should not even be considering making him the most powerful man on earth." -Isle

    I agree with you. Although, if you dump him illegally, YOU'RE the bad guy. Simple as that. You're the asshole just like Hamas in changing a government. Simple as that.

    You want to put trumpster down? That's good for me. You want to do it illegally? I will fight you tooth and nail. against you. You're nothing but a useful idiot for every socialist/ Stalinist radical Islamist view in the world. If you want to change the US system and turn it into someone else's system? You've got a fight. It really is that easy.

    You. curt, and po are useful idiots. They keep you for a reason. You're useful for them. No other reason. Think about it. You're an "artist". She's a lesbian "married to a tranny. They're much higher on their list than you are. So maybe that's your reasoning for this. They murder them before they murder you.


  13. by Curt_Anderson on December 30, 2023 10:12 pm
    OD,
    Why are you concerned about that? Dumping Trump (to use your term) wouldn't be done illegally. If Trump is unable to run because of the 14th Amendment or is busy serving a prison sentence on one or more of his indicted crimes, it will be decided legally in a courtroom.

    Furthermore, since Trump undoubtedly would appeal anything that prevents his re-election, the decision would be approved by the Supreme Court.


  14. by islander on December 31, 2023 4:28 am

    Here's the part od left out when he quoted me;

    "Donald Trump is not fit to be president, either morally or mentally. We should not even be considering making him the most powerful man on earth.

    Anyone who recognizes this should be working full time to legally prevent that from happening."

    No body here wants to or is trying to remove Trump illegally.


  15. by oldedude on December 31, 2023 9:49 am
    "Donald Trump is not fit to be president, either morally or mentally. We should not even be considering making him the most powerful man on earth.

    Anyone who recognizes this should be working full time to legally prevent that from happening."

    No body here wants to or is trying to remove Trump illegally.


    Unfortunately, that's EXACTLY what you (all) propose to do. And doubled down in multiple threads that YOU started and claimed trumpster has NO right of due process. So for you to whine about it now is just plain stupid. It has been Lead and I that have wanted this done LEGALLY so trumpster can't whine as much as you do. I would like him to be thrown off the ballot. I don't want it wrapped up in court to be overturned by something as stupid as a due process error that you should have learned in sixth grade (had you gone to an accredited school).


  16. by Indy! on December 31, 2023 9:51 am

    But you voted for him last time and you will again if he's the GOP candidate... right, Odorous?


  17. by islander on December 31, 2023 10:39 am

    "And doubled down in multiple threads that YOU started and claimed trumpster has NO right of due process" ~ oldedude

    That, my good man is a lie.

    Naturally you won't be able to cite a single post where I ever made such a ridiculous claim because I never never claimed anything like that.


  18. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2023 11:14 am
    OD,
    Nobody here says that Donald Trump should not be afforded due process. You mistakenly believe that Donald Trump is being denied due process. In simple terms due process is normal, fair, legal treatment that is applied equally to everybody. What you really want is for Donald Trump to be given special treatment.

    I just wish Donald Trump didn’t abuse the justice system to avoid and delay due process.


  19. by oldedude on December 31, 2023 2:12 pm
    You need to read my cites. I got bitched at because "all" I did was cut and paste, but when I don't it takes me two weeks to get a single point across because no one actually reads the cites.

    So yetagain🙄... in your words. trumpster is otherwise qualified to run for office. No argument, right?

    You are saying he is guilty of "insurrection" (in your words) and you are going to deny him his "right" of running for an office inwhich he otherwise has the right to do.

    I'm going to say it again.

    It is NOT proven in court that he did. Ergo, you are illegally denying a citizen something they otherwise have the right to do. That's a due process violation.

    We couldn't call OJ a "murderer" until after the trial. And guess what! Same thing here. Would he be found guilty? dunno. Strange things happen in trials. I would hope so, but I never make bets on trials.

    The cart (being able to run for federal office) goes AFTER the horse (trial of insurrection). Saying he is guilty is an "assumption" he was found guilty in a court. That's the way the system works. Even under Common Law, where we got it. French law, kinda.


  20. by oldedude on December 31, 2023 2:24 pm
    For curt, indy, po, isle. perhaps you didn't read this either. Even my wife asked how stupid you are. Then laughed.

    With this, comes the presumption of innocence even prior to arrest.
    The presumption of innocence is a legal principle that every person accused of any crime is considered innocent until proven guilty. Under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must present compelling evidence to the trier of fact (a judge or a jury). If the prosecution does not prove the charges true, then the person is acquitted of the charges. The prosecution must in most cases prove that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused must be acquitted. The opposite system is a presumption of guilt.
    You are accusing trumpster of a crime. Period. You've said this like you vote. Early and often. You can "say" or believe in your TDS mind that he is. No one cares about your feelings. They don't matter until due process is complete. He still has the same rights as someone that murders and rapes. You have "evidence" great. The evidence against a rapist and murderer are things like DNA (inside the victim, and maybe under the victim's nails), fingerprints, blood at the scene, or on their clothing, etc. They are still presumed INNOCENT.

    A presumption of innocence means that any defendant in a criminal trial is assumed to be innocent until they have been proven guilty. As such, a prosecutor is required to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime if that person is to be convicted. To do so, proof must be shown for every single element of a crime IN THE COURT OF LAW.😱
    law.cornell.edu
    en.wikipedia.org


  21. by Ponderer on December 31, 2023 2:45 pm
    "You are saying he is guilty of "insurrection"" -olde dude

    I think what we are saying, and have been saying for quite some time now, is that he engaged in insurrection. There's no actual realistic doubt about that.

    Now if you want to find him "guilty" of insurrection in a fully legal sense in order to put him in prison or fine him or something like that, you'll need him to be found as such in a court of law in a trial by a jury of his peers.

    But as far as keeping him off the ballot is concerned, the mere fact that he undeniably, blatantly, and oh most epically engaged in insurrection is all that is necessary to disqualify him for holding the office of president.

    Glad I could help!




  22. by Curt_Anderson on December 31, 2023 4:27 pm
    "Even my wife asked how stupid you are. Then laughed." ---OD

    Am I supposed to be insulted by that? Let me guess, she thinks you are not stupid, right?

    Or did she laugh because she was being sarcastic?


  23. by Ponderer on December 31, 2023 4:49 pm

    Thanks for tidying my post there, Curt!


  24. by oldedude on January 1, 2024 1:07 am
    No, she laughed at you being soooooo fucking stupid about reality and lack of knowledge about your own constitution. So honestly, Fuck you and po. Who know and understand so little about your own laws that you would say such stupid shit.


  25. by Indy! on January 1, 2024 1:26 am

    Notice how Odorous refuses to answer any questions about voting for Trump while pretending like he’s the only one who’s ever seen an episode of Law & Order? 😂


  26. by Indy! on January 1, 2024 1:33 am

    Bumpkins


  27. by Curt_Anderson on January 1, 2024 8:35 am
    Regarding OD’s comment #24 it reminds me of what my favorite exchanges in the movie “Raising Arizona“:

    Glen:
    How many Polacks it take to screw up a lightbulb?
    H.I.:
    I don't know, Glen. One?
    Glen:
    Nope, it takes three.
    Glen:
    Wait a minute, I told it wrong. Here, I'm startin' over: How come it takes three Polacks to screw up a lightbulb?
    H.I.:
    I don't know, Glen.
    Glen:
    'Cause they're so darn stupid!


  28. by oldedude on January 1, 2024 11:05 am
    princess, when did I get asked? I've made my position extremely clear. Maybe you just don't read when you don't want to, or when you can use a second-grader humor.


  29. by islander on January 1, 2024 11:55 am

    Can oldedude or/or Hate tell us who, exactly, is depriving Trump of his rights or due process?

    We all know Trump is using his rights and due process to delay his upcoming trials but so far, other than simply saying Trump is being denied due process or that we are trying to deny Trump due process, neither has said, and an example would be nice, exactly how or where Trump is being denied due process.


  30. by Ponderer on January 2, 2024 6:49 am

    "Can oldedude or/or Hate tell us who, exactly, is depriving Trump of his rights or due process?" -Isle

    They can't because no one is.


  31. by oldedude on January 2, 2024 7:12 am
    The State of CO.


  32. by oldedude on January 2, 2024 7:14 am
    And the State of Maine, sorry.



  33. by oldedude on January 2, 2024 7:17 am
    Curt said it best. "It is the second state to deny former President Trump a spot on its primary ballot, saying that he is barred from seeking the presidency under the 14th Amendment."

    The two states are denying a citizen a right in which he is otherwise entitled to.

    Like I've said over a dozen times.


  34. by Ponderer on January 2, 2024 7:37 am

    "Like I've said over a dozen times." -olde dude

    Well it obviously wasn't enough, od. You have to say something that is wrong at least one hundred times before it suddenly becomes correct. You have a ways to go yet I am afraid.


  35. by oldedude on January 2, 2024 10:26 am
    I guess when I'm talking to a brick wall (dense and set in their own "feelings.")

    I think what we are saying, and have been saying for quite some time now, is that he engaged in insurrection. There's no actual realistic doubt about that.
    Prove it. In court. because that's what is legally required.

    Now if you want to find him "guilty" of insurrection in a fully legal sense in order to put him in prison or fine him or something like that, you'll need him to be found as such in a court of law in a trial by a jury of his peers.
    That's what is REQUIRED BY LAW

    But as far as keeping him off the ballot is concerned, the mere fact that he undeniably, blatantly, and oh most epically engaged in insurrection is all that is necessary to disqualify him for holding the office of president.
    WRONG AGAIN

    Short version. YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG, MORON.
    And I keep referencing and citing Federal law, and the Constitution. You don't give a flying fuck about any of those (as usual).
    I have given what SCOTUS has given in the wording of "Life, liberty, and property." THAT MEANS DUE PROCESS (maybe not when it comes to trumpster, but LEGALLY it does). There are at least three posts on different threads that reference that. Cornell Law agrees with me. The constitution agrees with me.


    Glad I could help!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


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