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Court Denies Trumpís Presidential Immunity Appeal In E. Jean Carroll Defamation Case
By Curt_Anderson
December 13, 2023 12:11 pm
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(Forbes)A federal appeals court rejected former President Donald Trumpís claim he was protected from liability in a defamation lawsuit from writer E. Jean Carrollówho accused Trump of rapeóbecause of presidential immunity, the latest legal blow to the former president and 2024 hopeful.


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Comments on "Court Denies Trumpís Presidential Immunity Appeal In E. Jean Carroll Defamation Case":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2023 12:15 pm

    Has she figured out yet in what year the rape took place? Baha


  2. by Curt_Anderson on December 13, 2023 12:29 pm
    She has it down to within a few months, basically wintertime. She stated that Donald Trump had sexually assaulted her in late 1995 or early 1996 in the Bergdorf Goodman department store in New York City.

    Trump isn't attempting the defend his defamatory remarks with any sort of affirmative defense. He argued unsuccessfully that presidential immunity protects him from lawsuits.


    en.wikipedia.org


  3. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2023 12:41 pm

    So, Trump has no way of proving he was in another place at the time she claims she was raped.


  4. by Curt_Anderson on December 13, 2023 12:58 pm
    HtS,
    So unless every altar boy and choir member can nail down the exact time and date of their rape, you'd let every pedophile priest go free?




  5. by HatetheSwamp on December 13, 2023 1:02 pm

    Oy, no.

    I've said, from the beginning, that her case is extremely weak. And, if it had not been made in New York, ol E. Jean would have had great difficulty in getting a judgment.

    I'm right.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on December 13, 2023 1:38 pm
    HtS,
    Trump could have presented evidence that he was out of town during some or all of the period he allegedly raped her. He didnít. That she couldnít nail down the date is point in favor of the defense.

    That other women testified Trump assaulted them helped the plaintiffís case. That Trump said Carroll is ďnot his typeĒ then mistook her for his ex-wife helped the plaintiff.

    To win a civil case, a plaintiff must convince the jury by ďa preponderance of the evidence.Ē Simply said, a plaintiff must prove that there is a greater likelihood than not that the defendant did something wrong.

    Do you really think it is unlikely that the pussy grabber forced himself on her?


  7. by oldedude on December 13, 2023 6:52 pm
    HtS,
    Trump could have presented evidence that he was out of town during some or all of the period he allegedly raped her.

    How was he supposed to do that without a timeline? That doesn't make sense. If I don't have a year (even in my boring life) I could have been in Germany, Panama, Costa Rica, Guatamala, Nepal, India, Thailand, Japan, ROK, Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, Somewhere undisclosed in either the Pacific, Atlantic, or Indian Ocean, Qatar, Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iraq, Afghanistan, or Oman. and those aren't even the places I went on leave. That's another, say dozen, dozen and a half countries? And I'm not trumpster with my own jet.


  8. by Curt_Anderson on December 13, 2023 9:18 pm
    OD,
    The case wasn't a rape case; it was a defamation case. As with any case, it is the jury's job to evaluate the credibility of the witnesses. Trump did not impress them as being very credible.

    Trump denied that he had ever met Carroll, accused her of "totally lying" and that "she's not my type."

    Here is where Trump shoots himself in the foot: Trump was shown this photograph, he mistakenly identified E. Jean Carroll as his second wife, Marla Maples, despite his first wife Ivana Trump also being in the picture; upon recognizing his mistake, he protested that the photo was "very blurry" (the photo is not blurry).


  9. by HatetheSwamp on December 14, 2023 4:45 am

    Exactly, OD. And, I have noted repeatedly, Alan Dershowitz is confident that, for all practical purposes, this will be set aside.

    The TrumpHate theory was that these civil judgments would hurt Trump with moderate and independent voters. Curiously, it seems to have helped.


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