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My friend has Covid. He'll be okay. His patients may not be.

By Curt Anderson
August 13, 2021 3:14 pm
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He tested positive. He's had Covid for a week. He is 70 years old and fully vaccinated. His symptoms are rather mild, along the lines of a bad cold. But a runny nose, headaches, body aches, and chills are nothing to sneeze at!

He's a doctor so he's had to shut down his office for the past week and probably next week too. His wife also has Covid and her condition is about the same as his. When he called me today, he was in the woods above his home walking his dog.

Locally, the unvaccinated who are exercising their "right" to infect the community, are selfishly hogging the beds and health workers' time in our local hospitals and clinics. We've had more Covid cases in recent days than we had last year before the vaccine. That's because the Delta strain is more virulent.

Asante and Providence Hospitals in Medford, Ashland and Grants Pass say they’re beyond capacity in the face of a flood of new cases of the Delta variant.
Officials from the counties’ health departments and local hospitals met Thursday morning for a press conference, where they painted a dire picture of what they’re seeing on hospital floors.

“If you come to our hospital for any reason, we might not be able to help you,” says Amanda Kotler, Vice President of Nursing at Asante. “We're out of beds, our staff are stretched, and we have limited resources. We are trying, but we're running out of options.”

The region’s hospitals say their emergency waiting rooms are crowded with up to 50 people at a time, and many people are having to wait up to six hours to be seen. Hospital staff are having to treat patients in hallways because they don’t have enough space.

“And that might get to the point where we’re utilizing cots in conference rooms, if necessary," says Chief Medical Officer Jason Kuhl of Providence Medford Medical Center.



Asante says it’s had to cancel 350 surgeries.

“That's 350 people that could be in pain or need life-saving treatment that have had to wait,” Kotler says.

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  1. by HatetheSwamp on August 14, 2021 4:05 am

    Locally, the unvaccinated who are exercising their "right" to infect the community, are selfishly hogging the beds and health workers' time in our local hospitals and clinics.

    It's just a shame for you that the people of Oregon have to deal with the fact that they are US citizens. That damned Bill of Rights, eh!

    If you'd a had the foresight to secede say when one of the Bushes was President people who think independently could just be locked away!


  2. by Curt Anderson on August 14, 2021 8:05 am
    Ok, HtS, enlighten us: which of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, or a line anywhere in the Constitution gives people the right to infect others with a deadly virus?

    The concept that seems to elude you and others of a like mind are two often linked words, rights and responsibilities.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 14, 2021 8:32 am

    I agree with you on the rights and responsibilities thing. I always have. Remember, I knocked over two old ladies with walkers to get to the front of the vaccine line.

    Yet, in this nation, built on the belief that all of us have been endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights, the government can't mandate that citizens be vaccinated.

    You may have seen the video clip of the OK school board member who had to apologize for suggesting that students who attend school without wearing a mask could be guilty of murder. And, you and isle, especially, come across to me as being of that ilk. It's time to set aside the hyperbole.

    It's very likely that the best thing for our nation is that everyone who can be vaccinated be vaccinated.

    BUT, YOUR SIDE'S APPROACH OF INSULTING AND DEMEANING THE VACCINE HESITANT IS HURTING, NOT HELPING.

    WE ARE A FREE PEOPLE.

    If the former 18 wheeler driver from Delaware tries to compel vaccines on everyone, the Courts will almost certainly overturn him.

    The answer is for your side to drop its sanctimony and to set aside its anger, to depoliticize COVID and vaccines and come together with the vaccine hesitant over vaccines.

    But, some of you seem to enjoy being self-righteous more than convincing your neighbor that being vaccinated is the best thing for all of us.


  4. by Curt Anderson on August 14, 2021 9:17 am
    HtS,
    So by omission you confirmed there is no right to infect people. Thanks?

    No, the government cannot force people to be vaccinated. Nor is it. The government can however plead, cajole or even pressure.

    You have the right not to be vaccinated, not the right to infect others. You have the right to own a gun, not the right to shoot other people.

    It's about rights and responsibilities.


  5. by HatetheSwamp on August 14, 2021 9:32 am

    There is absolutely no right to infect but, then, there's no law agin it, either. Why don't you campaign for such a law!!!!!? Proving it in court'd be a hoot.

    The only issue that matters now is how to minimize the number of times that happens.

    Vaxxed people being self-righteous toward the vaccine hesitant won't ever actually help, no matter how you may enjoy it.


  6. by Curt Anderson on August 14, 2021 10:49 am
    There is absolutely no right to infect but, then, there's no law agin it, either. Why don't you campaign for such a law!!!!!? Proving it in court'd be a hoot. --HtS

    It is against the law and it's already been proven in court. It's definitely a crime to do so intentionally. If it's done recklessly it's usually a lesser crime.

    Restaurant owners have been charged with the crime of violating health ordiances including Covid violations.

    It most certainly is a crime to intentionally spread Covid or other infectious diseases. It's arguably a crime to do so carelessly, and there is ample precedent for it on the books:
    "A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally donates, sells or transfers blood, a blood component, or semen for artificial insemination that contains HIV commits a class C felony, but if it results in the transmission of HIV it is a class A felony."

    "A person who knowingly or intentionally in a rude, insolent, or angry manner places (or coerces another to place) blood or another body fluid or waste on a law enforcement or corrections officer, firefighter, or first responder (identified as such and engaged in performance of official duties) commits a class D Felony. If the person knew or recklessly failed to know that the blood, bodily fluid or waste was infected with HIV, it is a class C felony. If the person knew or recklessly failed to know that the blood, bodily fluid or waste was infected with HIV and the offense results in transmission of HIV, it is a class A felony."

    "A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally places human blood, semen, urine or fecal waste in a location with the intent that another person will involuntarily touch it commits malicious mischief, a class B misdemeanor. If the person knew or recklessly failed to know that the blood, urine, or waste was infected with HIV, it is a class D felony. If the person knew or recklessly failed to know that the waste was infected with HIV and the offense results in the transmission of HIV to the other person, it is a class B felony."

    nolo.com
    criminal-defense-dui.lawyer
    projects.propublica.org


  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 14, 2021 10:55 am

    Two comments.

    First, I want to backtrack and apologize for being insensitive about your friend's illness.

    Second, if you decide to prosecute the person who infected your friend, you have my unqualified support.


  8. by islander on August 14, 2021 12:27 pm

    ”It's just a shame for you that the people of Oregon have to deal with the fact that they are US citizens. That damned Bill of Rights, eh!”

    By working hard in an effort to convince people to get vaccinated against this covid-19 virus, what constitutional rights do you think we are taking away from people during this pandemic?

    As far as your charge of “Vaxxed people being self-righteous toward the vaccine hesitant” here’s what I told you:

    “Believe it or not pb there are some, a very small minority of people, who cannot get vaccinated for underlying health conditions, usually it’s because they are allergic to one of the ingredients in the vaccine. In that case they should consult with their doctor and we are not criticizing those people. We are critical of those who willfully refuse to get vaccinated because of their willful ignorance and those who intentionally spread disinformation and sow doubts in the minds of those who, because of such false information, really are afraid of getting vaccinated.

    Be like those who are working to dispel the false information pb.”

    Am I angry at the people I mentioned? You bet I am! And it’s called righteous anger. It’s you pb, who is being sanctimonious and self righteous with your artificial claims that we’re being self righteous and violating their rights.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on August 15, 2021 2:44 pm

    By working hard in an effort to convince people to get vaccinated against this covid-19 virus, what constitutional rights do you think we are taking away from people during this pandemic?

    I imagine that you think you're efforting to convince people. But when you batter the vaccine hesitant with accusations of "willful ignorance" and telling people with concerns about the vax they "intentionally spead disinformation" you're dispensing sanctimonious condemnation, not attempt to convince. As you do here:

    We are critical of those who willfully refuse to get vaccinated because of their willful ignorance and those who intentionally spread disinformation and sow doubts in the minds of those who, because of such false information, really are afraid of getting vaccinated.

    You need to walk, and talk, softly, there, isle.


  10. by islander on August 16, 2021 12:28 pm
    Again, my question was what constitutional rights do you think we are taking away from antivaxxers?"

    You copied and pasted my question to you as if you were going to answer it but you ignored it refusing even to acknowledge it … Why is that?

    False information can be dangerous, just as attempting to justify people’s right to hold and spread false and harmful information is dangerous. Even when such person adds disclaimers like; Of course I’m fully vaccinated and saying something like nor am I saying I personally think the antivaxxer's information is necessarily true.

    Do you know what willfully ignorant even means? It’s “A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.”

    Providing accurate information in order to counter false and harmful information and accurately describing those who choose to avoid becoming informed "willfully ignorant" is not a case of battering the antivaxxers.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on August 17, 2021 6:04 am

    Again, my question was what constitutional rights do you think we are taking away from antivaxxers?"

    Well, none, so long as, as good old fashioned sanctimonious twats, you're content merely berate and insult them.

    But, if you want to force behavior on them they choose not to engage in.


  12. by islander on August 17, 2021 6:14 am

    Well then you have nothing of substance to use in your arguments since the antivaxxers are not being forced to get vaccinated. Nor is anyone proposing that they should be.


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