by oldedude on November 21, 2023 2:13 pm
Itís not on the Dems that we donít have single-payer healthcare. It took hard work and luck to get Obamacare signed into law. It barely passed. Here is a history lesson.
I'm going to disagree. obombercare was the biggest mistake the dims have made in my voting career. They rammed it down the throats of not only the GOP (whom they lied to) but to the American people (whom they lied to). They decided that lying about it was better than the truth.
Remember when little nancy said "you have to pass the bill to read the bill?"
Or "You can keep your doctor" or "Costs will go down."
Had they actually negotiated this deal, at least they could partially blame any issues with it on the GOP.
So after forcing this down our throat, costs skyrocketed and doctor's got switched around (which I really think is more about the insurance companies, but the average person doesn't see that).
My step-son's insurance tripled because he was single and needed all the insurances for a woman hoping or happened to get pregnant. Along with abortion costs he would refuse to do under any circumstance. He's a county employee in FL. Then he was making about a level and a half above a Walmart greeter.
Another example, State of CO employees paid ~$285/month/couple for a good health care. $0 deductible, $0 copay for even most specialists.
Enter obombercare. $350/month. $2,000 deductible. +copays, +you got less coverage. The average employee lost $3,500 from their paycheck. For a person living just above the poverty line.
I agree that now we just live with it. Okay... That said, ANYTIME the dims say "trust us," the GOP and the American Public shut their doors on them. The GOP will NEVER agree to "trust us" again.
by Curt_Anderson on November 21, 2023 4:18 pm
We are not in disagreement. Whether you characterize it as the Democratsí chicanery or I characterize it as their hard work and luck, either way getting Obamacare passed wasnít a walk in the park. I seriously doubt that single-payer would have passed.
by oldedude on November 21, 2023 6:11 pm
dims are still paying for this. And will until the little nancy and chuckie are gone and forgotten. I call it an evil ruse.