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Phillips apologizes to Sanders for dismissing claims of ‘rigged’ Democratic primary system
By Curt_Anderson
November 9, 2023 11:52 am
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(The Hill)Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) apologized to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for dismissing his past criticism of the primary system, as the lawmaker makes a long-shot bid for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“I have an apology to make to @BernieSanders,” Phillips wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “I had long dismissed his complaints about the rigged Democratic Party primary system.”

“But you know what? He was right. And I apologize, Bernie,” he added.

Sanders, who most recently ran for the White House in 2020, had previously scrutinized the system in states with closed primaries — or those where only registered Republicans or Democrats could participate in their respective primary. He also made comments suggesting that the Democratic Party was using a limited 2016 primary debate schedule to rig the nomination process.




rigged: manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.

Phillips and Sanders (if he's being quoted correctly) have a different definition of "rigged" than I am familiar with. What they are calling rigged in this article, I call them rules of the contest. As long as the rules are known in advance and applied evenly to all participants the contest is not rigged.

That five states have closed primaries doesn't seem unfair to me. Most primaries are open meaning the voters who are not registered in the party can vote in the other party's primaries. Open primaries seem to be open to the possibility of mischief with non-party members crossing over to boost the chances of a weak candidate in the other party. The primaries have always been run at the state level: Some are open, some closed, some are caucuses, some states don't have any primaries at all.

I also never heard anybody I know complain that there were not enough Democratic primary debates in 2016. There were ten Democratic debates in 2016 and eleven in 2020. I doubt that very many people watched all the debates as it is.

Every contest has its rules. Is basketball rigged because a field goal the length of the court is only worth three points? Should an out-of-the-ballpark homerun be worth extra points? Should ballet-like touchdown catches be awarded additional style points?





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Comments on "Phillips apologizes to Sanders for dismissing claims of ‘rigged’ Democratic primary system":

  1. by Ponderer on November 10, 2023 5:58 am

    All good points, Curt. 👍


  2. by HatetheSwamp on November 10, 2023 7:11 am

    Baha. The party of Tammany Hall and "Vote early, vote often," is always on the up and up.

    Ain't?


  3. by Indy! on November 11, 2023 3:51 pm

    We know from the principals the primaries were rigged against Bernie. But even if we didn't have those facts to guide us - we also know from Curt's discomfort and perpetual contrarian stance that it is true.


  4. by HatetheSwamp on November 12, 2023 5:46 am

    The Dems have been the party of backroom deals for nearly 200 years. You'd have to be a Dem Good German not to know the fix was in for Hillary. And, Curt is.


  5. by Indy! on November 12, 2023 12:40 pm

    Hillary literally bought the DNC in 2016, but some people still believe they weren't in the tank for her. 😂



  6. by Curt_Anderson on November 12, 2023 2:53 pm
    Indy,
    What does “in the tank” mean? The party workers changed the Sanders votes to Hillary votes?


  7. by Indy! on November 12, 2023 3:04 pm

    Is that a question or a confession? 🤔


  8. by Curt_Anderson on November 12, 2023 3:25 pm
    A question. You must think something nefarious happened in 2016 and maybe 2020 to Bernie in the primaries. But what and how?


  9. by oldedude on November 12, 2023 6:24 pm
    curt- What does “in the tank” mean? The party workers changed the Sanders votes to Hillary votes?

    Which means they crossed him. Really?


  10. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2023 3:23 am

    A question. You must think something nefarious happened in 2016 and maybe 2020 to Bernie in the primaries. But what and how?

    Curt, Curt, Curt.


  11. by oldedude on November 13, 2023 4:34 am
    In this case, I agree with indy. Cliton bought her way into the primaries. I also don't think this is anything abnormal in the conventions. After the first vote and everyone sees where they are, the bribery, graft, and corruption starts buying votes on all sides. And the most powerful one starts buying the other candidates (to stop and throw their support for another candidate. This goes on until there's a clear winner.

    I think the dims thought cliton had a bigger swath of the voters than burnie. I also think cliton had more money to spend on the graft and corruption. And I'm not sure burn has the stomach to go as low as hill.


  12. by Ponderer on November 13, 2023 5:59 am

    "After the first vote and everyone sees where they are, the bribery, graft, and corruption starts buying votes on all sides." -olde dude

    So what you're saying is that you despise politics. Because making deals and forming coalitions (which is what I expect you were referring to as "bribery, graft, and corruption" that was "buying votes") is how politics works and always has. If you're going to be such a big baby about the game, perhaps you shouldn't play?

    Can you explain how Bernie was supposedly cheated by "bribery, graft, and corruption"...?



  13. by HatetheSwamp on November 13, 2023 8:10 am

    So what you're saying is that you despise politics. Because making deals and forming coalitions (which is what I expect you were referring to as "bribery, graft, and corruption" that was "buying votes") is how politics works and always has.

    Oy, po.

    Conflating the expected functionality of a constitutional republic and Swamp dysfunction. You've never posted anything more intellectually corrupt in all your years here.

    But, I'm certain that you are being honest. Swampcult honest.


  14. by oldedude on November 13, 2023 8:15 am
    So what you're saying is that you despise politics. Because making deals and forming coalitions (which is what I expect you were referring to as "bribery, graft, and corruption" that was "buying votes") is how politics works and always has. If you're going to be such a big baby about the game, perhaps you shouldn't play?

    Can you explain how Bernie was supposedly cheated by "bribery, graft, and corruption"...?


    First, I believe burnie was a victim of cliton. burny's "bribery, graft, and 'corruption'" is comparing a jaywalker (burnie) to a driveby shooting of a wedding killing 50 people (cliton).

    The game? First, I understand it much better than you, and have played it with the best in Afghanistan and Iraq (among many other places). It's been played since the formation of tribes.

    I know your TDS can't understand this but here it goes. I have zero in common with burnie's ideas. Period.

    I also think of all the people in congress burnie is the cleanest politician. He's really hard to bribe and he has morals. I appreciate the morals, but the ideas is where we disagree. So I don't hate burnie, I DISAGREE with him. Would I bother to change him? Not a chance. You take him at his word.


  15. by Indy! on November 13, 2023 8:51 am

    You really don't know what happened in 2016 and 2020, Pondy? That's (somewhat) surprising. 🤔

    By 2020 the DNC was rigging things right out in the open...


    View Video


  16. by Curt_Anderson on November 13, 2023 9:22 am
    Indy,
    Here is a link to at least a dozen articles which refute your notion that the DNC rigged the Iowa caucuses in favor of Hillary Clinton.

    Anyway, the Democrats award delegates proportionately. Hillary and Bernie each had 49+ percent of the vote, but it is complicated by their caucus system. She was awarded 23 delegates, and he earned 21 delegates. That’s unlike the Republicans, which is winner takes all.

    Whatever happened in Iowa made a minuscule difference to the eventual outcome of the 2016 primary season.

    Incidentally, since the Iowa caucuses are less than democratic, I am happy to see that the DNC will no longer be participating.
    google.com


  17. by Indy! on November 13, 2023 9:29 am

    Where did I say Hillary rigged the Iowa primaries, Curt? The DNC rigged the entire process from start to finish for Hillary - otherwise she would have lost when she was supposed to lose - in the primaries instead of the general. Why are you folks still defending the person who cost your precious party the White House and gave you the guy you can't stand... Trump? Indy is not your problem - Hillary is.



  18. by Curt_Anderson on November 13, 2023 10:09 am
    “Where did I say Hillary rigged the Iowa primaries, Curt?” —Indy

    You just presented a video clip of a coin flip at one of the Iowa caucuses.

    That is warped logic to blame Hillary for Trump. If there was no quixotic Bernie campaign, there would be no Bernie Bros dissuading progressives from voting on Election Day. You and others who constantly make unsubstantiated claims that voting is rigged are carrying water for Trump. He thanks you for your service.



  19. by Indy! on November 18, 2023 7:33 pm

    Really? We're going thru this AGAIN?

    That is warped logic to blame Hillary Bernie for Trump. If there was no quixotic Bernie Hillary campaign, there would be no Bernie Bros Hillary Hos (or "PUMAs") dissuading progressives shitlibs from voting on Election Day. You and others who constantly make unsubstantiated claims that voting is was not rigged are carrying water for Trump. He thanks you for your service.


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