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Republican National Committee fears RFK Jr.'s independent run for president
By Curt_Anderson
October 9, 2023 2:13 pm
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I said RFK Jr. appeals more to Republicans than Democrats. See my predictions/comments in the thread below, especially comments #7 and #9. The RNC apparently thinks so too. RFK Jr. is the favored option for conspiracy nuts who don't feel comfortable voting for oft-indicted Trump again.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Republicans attacked Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Monday as the longtime environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist launched an independent bid for the White House, reflecting growing concerns on the right that the former Democrat now threatens to take votes from former President Donald Trump in 2024.

The Republican National Committee and Trump’s campaign both took aim at Kennedy’s liberal background while national Democrats stayed silent as Kennedy insisted in a speech in Philadelphia that he was leaving both political parties behind.

“Voters should not be deceived by anyone who pretends to have conservative values,” said Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung in a statement. He labeled Kennedy’s campaign “nothing more than a vanity project for a liberal Kennedy looking to cash in on his family’s name.”



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Comments on "Republican National Committee fears RFK Jr.'s independent run for president":

  1. by Donna on October 9, 2023 2:41 pm

    Interesting take. Not sure I buy it, but we'll see.

    I wonder if anyone is actually going to represent the "No Labels" party in the 2024 election.




  2. by HatetheSwamp on October 9, 2023 3:02 pm

    Gang,

    GOPs are going bonkers over Kennedy. (See link)

    He's bad news for the GOPs. Not as bad as Cornel West as a Green Party candidate is for "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap," nor the very likely No Labels ticket.

    It's lookin bad for the Swamp in 024.
    thehill.com


  3. by Ponderer on October 9, 2023 3:10 pm

    Mark my words. West isn't going to do well with anybody.


  4. by Donna on October 9, 2023 3:13 pm

    Cornywell won't even pass the Howie Hawkins line (0.2%).


  5. by HatetheSwamp on October 9, 2023 3:57 pm

    My guess is that you're hoping that West fails. Still, the funding and the organization that threatens Dems is No Labels.


  6. by Donna on October 9, 2023 4:06 pm

    LOL! There's no need to "hope' for that.


  7. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 4:45 pm
    "Still, the funding and the organization that threatens Dems is No Labels." --HtS

    I don't think so. First let's see if they actually run a candidate. They've been around since 2010 and there hasn't been a No Labels presidential candidate yet.

    Second the possible candidates who are being mentioned are a couple of Republican ex-governors and Joe Manchin. Joe Manchin might as be a Republican. I doubt that many Democrats outside of WV would be attracted to him. The potential No Label candidates are more attractive to old school (non-MAGA) Republicans.

    Finally, read No Labels' "Commonsense Agenda". It's pure pablum designed to offend nobody and avoids taking a stand on any issue. It reminds me of Thomas Dewey's 1948 presidential campaign.

    With victory looking like a foregone conclusion for Dewey, the New York governor ran an uninspiring, risk-averse campaign. One newspaper contended his four major speeches could be reduced to four sentences: “Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. The future lies ahead.”

    newsnationnow.com
    history.com


  8. by HatetheSwamp on October 9, 2023 5:02 pm

    Keep wishing.

    It seems very likely that No Labels will put a ticket together. 70%+ Dems would like to vote for someone other than the Doddering Old Fool. Manchin is, ideologically what "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" presented himself to be in 020. In purple states?...

    And, then, there's the PILF...for Veep?

    But, indeed. Keep a good thought.


  9. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 5:07 pm
    "70%+ Dems would like to vote for someone other than Biden" ---HtS

    I call bullshit. Show me one poll that says that. Maybe some online poll where anybody can click in their opinion.


  10. by Donna on October 9, 2023 5:15 pm

    A recent poll I cited here found that 69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024. I think you even contributed to that discussion.


  11. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 5:19 pm
    I don't think so, Donna. Show me a link that that poll.


  12. by Donna on October 9, 2023 5:23 pm

    I know what I posted. Even Hts remembers it. Are you calling me a liar?

    I'm away from home now. I'll dig it up for you when I get home.


  13. by Donna on October 9, 2023 5:27 pm

    Here ya go

    apnews.com


  14. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 5:46 pm
    Donna,
    Nowhere does it say that 69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024. It does say that 69% of Democrats answered that Biden is too old to be effective for four more years. But that's a different question. You didn't lie. You misread or misinterpreted the poll question.

    Hey, I wish my wife was younger, but I have no plans of dumping her.

    Btw, this is the latest from the AP-NORC pollsters you cited:



  15. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:00 pm

    Here's the discussion where I introduced that AP poll, and I was correct in my recollection that you, Curt, took part in that discussion. And as you did here, in that discussion you tried to change the subject. In the old discussion, you changed the subject to Trump's age, and in this discussion, you're trying to make it about another issue.

    But there's no getting away from it. A clear majority of Democrats think that Biden's to old to run again. Yass, yass that doesn't mean that they still wouldn't vote for him, but his age certainly doesn't encourage them.

    selectsmart.com


  16. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:02 pm

    Oops, wrong link.


  17. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:10 pm

    Here's the discussion where we discussed that AP poll.


    selectsmart.com


  18. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:23 pm

    "Nowhere does it say that 69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024. It does say that 69% of Democrats answered that Biden is too old to be effective for four more years. But that's a different question. You didn't lie. You misread or misinterpreted the poll question." - Curt

    I neither read nor misinterpreted that poll; I misremembered the exact question. But come on, if you say that Biden is too old to be effective for four more years, you're also saying that you would prefer a younger candidate.

    But to your point about electability, yes, some of the other data from the poll is encouraging.

    In the first discussion about this poll, you pointed out that the poll also found that most people think Trump's too old to run again, too, but your comparison isn't even close. From that poll:

    AP NORC
    08/10-14/2023 Yes, too old No, not too old
    Joe Biden 77 22
    Donald Trump 51 49





  19. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:26 pm

    Which is a joke, because Biden's only 3 years older than Trump. IMO the problem is that Biden seems more than 3 years older than Trump.





  20. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 6:28 pm
    Donna,
    Yes, I know that I've been correct from the get-go. Wishing that Biden wasn't so old isn't the same as saying "69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024". It would especially be true if particular name of a candidate were given as option in the poll. As Biden has often said, "compare me to the alternative, not to the Almighty".

    If there was poll taken when he was running for president, people would probably tell pollsters that FDR is too crippled to be an effective president. If asked, people might have told pollsters that Lincoln was too homely. People might have said they wished the likely nominee was more ambulatory and better looking.

    As the graphic above shows, the vast majority of Democrats will "support" Biden. Btw, "support" is a rather ambiguous term. Does "support" mean volunteering and/or a financial donation to the Biden campaign? It seems to me that I might vote for somebody without supporting them.


  21. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:41 pm

    Wishing that Biden wasn't so old isn't the same as saying "69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024". - Curt

    Duh, but who said that? I didn't.

    And btw, the poll question reads "[Joe Biden/Donald Trump] Do you think each of the following is too old to effectively serve another 4-year term as president, or not?"

    So I DID remember the poll question right. In contrast, you actually looked up the poll question and still got it wrong.




  22. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:48 pm

    Scratch that last post. I'm trying to do more than one thing here and I got confused.

    The important takeaways from that poll is that over two-thirds of Democrats think that Biden is too old to effectively serve another 4-year term as president, and that age is a bigger reelection problem for Biden than Trump.

    See attached pic.





  23. by Donna on October 9, 2023 6:52 pm

    Back to the original topic:

    Shortly after the announcement, Kennedy Jr. was met with immediate pushback from four of his 10 siblings, who in a joint statement on X blasted the impetus for his candidacy. The signatories included his brother, former Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II of Massachusetts, and three of his sisters — former Maryland Lt. Gov. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Kerry Kennedy, and Rory Kennedy.

    "The decision of our brother Bobby to run as a third party candidate against Joe Biden is dangerous to our country," the statement read. "Bobby might share the same name as our father, but he does not share the same values, vision or judgment."

    "Today's announcement is deeply saddening for us," it continued. "We denounce his candidacy and believe it to be perilous for our country."



  24. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 6:52 pm
    "70%+ Dems would like to vote for someone other than Biden" ---HtS

    "A recent poll I cited here found that 69% of Democrats would prefer that someone other than Biden represent the Dems in 2024." ---Donna

    "It does say that 69% of Democrats answered that Biden is too old to be effective for four more years." ---Curt

    "In the poll, fully 77% said Biden is too old to be effective for four more years. Not only do 89% of Republicans say that, so do 69% of Democrats." ---AP News report cited by Donna.

    I will leave it that.


    apnews.com


  25. by Donna on October 9, 2023 7:01 pm

    Overall 77% think Biden's too old to be effective as prez for another 4 years and overall 51% think Trump's too old to be effective as prez for another 4 years. That's a 26% perception gap, which is significant.


  26. by Indy! on October 10, 2023 9:18 am

    A lie is something like when Curt and the D media continually refer to RFK as an "anti-vaccine activist" because he correctly questioned the safety of the multitude of covid vaccines the majority of the country (except Curt, apparently) are now afraid to get because even the CDC says they can be dangerous.


  27. by Curt_Anderson on October 17, 2023 6:24 pm
    This is interesting but not surprising to me. According to the NPR/PBS/Marist poll, RFK Jr. shaves four points of Biden's poll numbers, but nine off of Trump's.

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden
    Biden 49 Trump 46
    Biden +3

    General Election: Trump vs. Biden vs. Kennedy
    Biden 44 Trump 37 Kennedy 16
    Biden +7

    Indy,
    RFK Jr. is and has been long before Covid an anti-vaccine "activist" which is a polite word for it. He is convinced that vaccines cause autism among other vaccine misapprehensions.
    realclearpolitics.com
    cnn.com


  28. by Indy! on October 18, 2023 11:03 am

    Curt, if you are attempting to support your accusation that RFK is an "anti-vaccine activist" - you need some quotes or white papers or speeches that actually came from RFK himself. Wild accusations with no support from Jake Tapper (of all people - LOL!) who says in the first paragraph he's only writing his "analysis" because he's mad RFK called him out on another one of his plethora of lies...

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a Democratic candidate for the presidency, went on the Jordan B. Peterson podcast on June 5 and told a wild and false story about me from 2005 that I want to tell you about.

    Call me when you have the actual RFK quotes, contributed directly to RFK (and verified) - by a reputable media organization - not some disingenuous TV host with an agenda or a third party family member who's mad that RFK is not supporting Biden.


  29. by Indy! on October 18, 2023 11:07 am

    Something like this, Curt...
    cdc.gov


  30. by Indy! on October 18, 2023 11:13 am

    BTW, I think it's charming that peebs thinks anyone on the Ds will vote for Manchin - much less anyone on the true left. He's the controlled opposition of the party - the modern day Joe Lieberman. Nobody likes him outside of his state and the upper echelon of the D party that needs him to kill any progressive policy that somehow manages to make it thru the Democrat gauntlet of limousine liberals and fake "progressives" like AOC and her Squat who stand in the way the rest of the time.


  31. by Curt_Anderson on October 18, 2023 11:23 am
    Indy,
    Do you accept Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as a credible source for Robert F. Kennedy Jr's quotes.



  32. by HatetheSwamp on October 18, 2023 11:30 am

    I think it's charming that peebs thinks anyone on the Ds will vote for Manchin - much less anyone on the true left. He's the controlled opposition of the party - the modern day Joe Lieberman.

    What peebs thinks is that many millions of Americans will be disgusted if the two major parties give them the choice between OrangeMan and "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" and that they'll vote for the No Labels Party candidate in protest...especially if Curt's PILF is on their ticket.


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