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Who said Immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country"?
By Curt_Anderson
October 7, 2023 11:56 am
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"Poisoning the blood of our country" is something you might expect to be a quote from Hitler or Goebbels.

Who is the "Good German" now? Anybody who isn't disgusted by such talk and doesn't completely reject the speaker is like the Germans who didn't speak up during Hitler's rise to power.

“Nobody has ever seen anything like we’re witnessing right now. It is a very sad thing for our country,” Donald Trump told the right-leaning news site The National Pulse in a video interview published last week. “It’s poisoning the blood of our country. It’s so bad, and people are coming in with disease. People are coming in with every possible thing that you could have.”



Everything that Trump says we can assume to be false. But I want to take special notice of his claim that immigrants "are coming in with disease". For example, Venezuelan asylum seekers at our border completed a perilous 5,000 mile long trek. Those that survive that journey are by definition physically fit. Immigrants, including our own immigrant ancestors, are generally healthier than those who never venture out.

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Comments on "Who said Immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country"?":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 12:37 pm

    I dunno, Curt. Actually, I'm more disgusted with what Joe's string pullers have enabled with immigration.

    Since The ONE was President, pb's been calling for immigration reform. And, this is what we have now!!!!!?

    You're not in favor of what's going on at the US southern border these days. Are you?

    Do you think what "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" doing with immigration is a political winner for the Dems?

    I'm not enthusiastic abou what Trump said but I'm far more offended by what Joe's DONE.


  2. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 1:05 pm
    HtS,
    I believe I've made my views on immigration clear. Namely, I would open the borders wide.

    I agree Gov. Eric Holcomb (R-IN) and Gov Spencer Cox (R-UT) and their commentary in the Washington Post, "To solve our national immigration crisis, let states sponsor immigrants".

    The governors began their op-ed with:
    "Indiana has about 220,000 open jobs right now and Utah has 107,000, according to the most recent federal data — more than 6 percent of all jobs in both states. With strong business and tax environments, we like our chances in the competition for job-seekers moving from other states. But they won’t be enough to fill all of those vacancies. We also need immigrants who are ready to work and help build strong communities."

    and concluded with:
    "Our southwestern states bear the brunt of today’s immigration catastrophe, which forces those states to house, clothe and feed an unrelenting stream of people. But in meaningful ways, every U.S. state shares a border with the rest of the world, and all of them need investment, markets and workers from abroad. That border can remain an embarrassment, or it can become a big asset to us once again."
    washingtonpost.com


  3. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 1:18 pm

    For years, I've been calling for immigration reform.

    But, if you favor this? You're crazy.

    Cartels, Human Smuggling, and Unlawful Immigration

    ...the drug war and increased border enforcement have resulted in drug cartels playing a larger role in human smuggling to increase their profits. The result has been increased violence for migrants attempting to reach the United States.

    Increased border enforcement and militarization have led human smuggling to become more sophisticated and profitable. Border policies across multiple administrations have made the kidnapping of migrants a highly lucrative business for transnational criminal organizations and cartels. Coyotes and other human smugglers have adapted by leaving the human smuggling business and/or formally agreeing to work directly under the cartels causing significant increases in rates of violence as well as smuggling fees. To weaken transnational criminal organizations’ activities at our border and beyond, it is fundamental to reform the asylum system and expand legal pathways to migrants.>/u>


    leitf.org


  4. by Ponderer on October 7, 2023 1:22 pm

    "I'm not enthusiastic about what Trump said but I'm far more offended by what Joe's DONE." -Hate

    This is excellent, Bill. Great example.

    Your Mango Messiah gives away his most disgusting, inner racist proclivities by parroting his idol Hitler's disgusting white supremacist speech. And your reaction about it is "not enthusiastic"...?

    So like what...? You're a little bit supportive of it...? But not really enough to say that you're enthusiastic about it...? Such a disgustingly racist comment isn't quite disgustingly racist enough for you to outright condemn it?


    You know you're not fooling anyone, Bill. This coded bullshit is right up there with you thinking he's "despicable". You still worship the man. Give it up already.



  5. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 1:33 pm

    Parroting Hitler? Show me.


  6. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 1:35 pm
    It is idiotic to say you care about human smugglers and then support laws that make legal entry into the US difficult to impossible. In the same way that the 18th Amendment made speakeasies and bootlegging lucrative, restrictive immigration laws make smuggling lucrative.

    Trump's fascist "poisoning the blood of our country" talk is antithetical to the spirit of America, a nation of immigrants. When Biden speaks of "the battle for the soul of America", he is talking about rejecting Trump's immigrant bashing rhetoric among other Trumpisms.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 1:55 pm

    It is idiotic to say you care about human smugglers and then support laws that make legal entry into the US difficult to impossible.

    Absolutely. Who does that?


  8. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 2:04 pm
    HtS,
    Many Americans, generally the more conservative, believe we should increase "border security". OD is one who opposes loosening our immigration laws and welcoming immigrants.


  9. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 2:11 pm

    Virtually every American supports "border security" over the chaos "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap's" string pullers have enabled. Me included.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 3:13 pm
    Why is it chaotic? For the same reason that if there is a mad rush to escape a burning building and there is only a single door to escape, people get crushed and trampled. Do you want a more orderly border scene? Increase the points of entry and speed things up.

    It reminds me of going through the TSA line at some airports. Sometimes the lines are ridiculously long.


  11. by HatetheSwamp on October 7, 2023 3:49 pm

    It was perfectly orderly when Trump had Mexico enforcing Remain in Mexico.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 3:52 pm
    Yes, I remember how orderly it was when Trump was president.



  13. by Donna on October 7, 2023 5:37 pm

    New York City and Chicago have so many asylum seekers that they don't have enough bedspace let alone enough housing for them.

    Have you done any reading on the crisis in those cities, Curt?

    As I posted earlier this year, due to global warming's increasing impact on regions of the planet that were already hot, particularly Iraq and surrounding areas, and drug lords taking over entire towns in Mexico and entire countries in Central America, which is now spilling over into Ecuador, immigrants are going to become less tolerated by Europeans as well as Americans, and democrats will suffer the consequences at election time.

    President Biden understands this, which is why he announced earlier this week that the fedgov will finish utilizing the funds that were allocated for the southern border wall expansion project under Trump, who later abandoned the project he started.

    Most liberals and even many conservatives are fine with some immigration, but it is now a worldwide crisis, and anti-immigrant politicians are becoming increasingly popular.

    Most of us want to help these people, many of whom have risked their lives to seek asylum here. We don't ever see the ones who died on the way. Many are trying desperately to escape the hell on earth their towns or nations have become since the narco businesses took over.

    OTOH, accepting large numbers of these desperate people into our country is already putting a strain on our population centers' infrastructures, and is becoming a political loser.

    Another shitshow that there seems to be no viable solution for.






  14. by Indy! on October 7, 2023 6:20 pm

    Take it from someone who lived thru the Marielito Boat Lift - when the real immigrant tides hit, everyone will be anti-immgrant. Except Curt who's safe and sound in little Ashford, Oregon. A town nobody has heard of, much less can find it on a map so they can move there for the free social services.


  15. by Curt_Anderson on October 7, 2023 7:35 pm
    "New York City and Chicago have so many asylum seekers that they don't have enough bedspace let alone enough housing for them.

    Have you done any reading on the crisis in those cities, Curt?" ---Donna

    Not only have I read about that crisis, I wrote about it and the solution that could solve it instantly: give immigrants work permits. They want to work and earn money. See first link.

    Since I posted that, the "Biden administration announced Wednesday the expansion of a form of humanitarian relief to Venezuelans already in the United States, making hundreds of thousands more people eligible for work permits and likely appeasing calls by New York City officials to provide work authorization to certain migrants."


    selectsmart.com
    cnn.com


  16. by HatetheSwamp on October 8, 2023 3:24 am

    As I recall, Curt, that pic was snapped with "that feckless dementia-ridden piece of crap" sitting in the Oval Office.


  17. by Donna on October 8, 2023 5:00 am

    They've been doing all of that, Curt, but the crisis remains. The cost of living is expensive almost everywhere, and especially in New York City. To get housing, you have to work long enough to afford first and last month's rent and a a security deposit. That doesn't happen overnight.




  18. by oldedude on October 8, 2023 5:10 am
    That was one of the issues with booting McCarthy. He was working on a bi-partisan piece regarding the border. Granted, no one really knows what was in it since neither side is talking now, but the term "bi-partisan" was sounding very positive to me.

    I also wonder about the Venezuelans per se getting help. That doesn't pass the smell test to me, other than pedojoe owed the Venezuelans a favor for getting oil from them.


  19. by Donna on October 8, 2023 6:19 am

    I mentioned Ecuador a couple of posts back and how the drug cartels are destroying that country and creating more emigrants who flee to countries like the US. Just read the following in today's New York Times:


    Six Accused of Murdering Ecuadorean Presidential Candidate Are Found Dead

    The prison killings have added to the sense that the nation is in thrall to a narco-trafficking industry with ties to the government.


    The six Colombian men accused of murdering an Ecuadorean presidential candidate were found dead in a prison in the port city of Guayaquil on Friday, Ecuador’s prison authority said in a statement.

    The assassination of the candidate, Fernando Villavicencio, as he exited a campaign event in August was a traumatic jolt for a nation that has been shaken by an increasingly powerful narco-trafficking industry in recent years.

    As foreign drug mafias have joined forces with local prison and street gangs they have transformed entire swaths of the country, extorting businesses, recruiting young people, infiltrating the government and killing those who investigate them.

    Mr. Villavicencio, who had worked as a journalist, activist and legislator, was polling near the middle of a group of eight candidates when he was killed 11 days before the first round of the presidential election on Aug. 20. He was among the most outspoken about the links between organized crime and the government.

    The deaths of the six people accused in the assassination came eight days before a runoff election on Oct. 15, pitting a center-right businessman, Daniel Noboa, against an establishment leftist, Luisa González.

    For some time, widespread speculation had suggested that the Colombians were guns for hire, and that powerful figures had ordered the assassination. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said last week that the United States was offering a reward of up to $5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of the masterminds, and up to $1 million for information leading to any gang leader responsible.

    ***

    This problem is spreading throughout Latin America. So if you think the innigrant crisis is bad now, hold onto your hats because it's probably going to get much worse with no end in sight.

    nytimes.com


  20. by Donna on October 8, 2023 6:55 am

    Also from today's New York Times:

    Adams Went South to Deter Migrants. Many Say They’ll Come Anyway.

    Mayor Eric Adams traveled to three countries to discourage migrants from coming to New York. At each stop, people said they were still determined to make the trek.


    Mayor Eric Adams of New York City flew by helicopter on Saturday to the Caribbean coast of Colombia, where hundreds of thousands of desperate migrants enter the jungle passageway called the Darién Gap. It was the final stop on a four-day trip meant to send a message: Please do not come to New York.

    It was an extraordinary tableau. Mr. Adams, wearing an olive-drab outfit and aviator sunglasses suggestive of military gear, was escorted by Colombia’s ambassador to the United States, the head of the national police and a heavy security detail. In Necoclí, as hundreds of migrants looked on, Mr. Adams stood beneath palm trees by the loading dock for a ferry into the jungle and alluded to difficult conditions “on the streets of New York.”

    He did not explicitly tell the migrants to stay away from New York — he did not address his remarks directly to them. But he called for efforts to “push back on the propaganda that is giving people false hopes and false promises.” He has said frequently during the trip that migrants are being wrongly told that they will find comfortable living conditions and easy employment in New York.

    The visit, culminating a 7,000-mile swing through Mexico, Ecuador and Colombia, was all the more remarkable given the uncertainty that the mayor’s attempt at deterrence would have any effect at all.

    In more than a dozen interviews this week in Necoclí and on the streets of Mexico City and Ecuador’s capital, Quito, most U.S.-bound migrants said that they would not be dissuaded by Mr. Adams’s statements. The city has been increasingly overwhelmed by the 120,000 migrants who have arrived since last year; sheltering them has become so costly that the mayor has called for budget cuts. On his trip, Mr. Adams has called for countries to work together to help the migrants.

    nytimes.com


  21. by Curt_Anderson on October 8, 2023 8:42 am
    Donna,
    I don’t know why you think that in New York City and elsewhere they’ve been “doing all that”. They cannot on their own issue work permits.

    See “There's a labor shortage in the U.S. Why is it so hard for migrants to legally work?”. —NPR

    The Biden administration is granting temporary legal status to hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan asylum seekers who are already in the country — quickly making them eligible to work. But that is just some of the immigrants.

    I’d house and hire some immigrants myself if I could. We have been waiting almost two years to have two houses painted. Painting contractors are that busy here.
    npr.org


  22. by Donna on October 8, 2023 8:44 am

    Mayor Adams is doing all that he can, Curt. Are you blaming the crisis on Biden?


  23. by Curt_Anderson on October 8, 2023 8:50 am
    Donna,
    No. Not Biden. There is 20 year or so old law that prohibits immigrants from working for six months after they file some paperwork and make an official application. In reality, it’s more than six months because most immigrants don’t know about the forms right away. Plus, there’s a usual bureaucratic hold ups.

    Biden was able to make an exception for asylum-seekers, but not all immigrants. I’m surprised Biden has not been challenged in court on the exception that he did make.


  24. by Donna on October 8, 2023 8:57 am

    Well there's a crisis going on NOW, and opening the borders as you've been suggesting for years would only exascerbate the situation and drive more Americans away from Democrats.


  25. by Donna on October 8, 2023 8:59 am

    Have you contacted the city council of Ashland and suggested that they bring in more immigrants?


  26. by Curt_Anderson on October 8, 2023 9:32 am
    Why would I do that, Donna? I cannot hire immigrants legally. Even if I hired them for two or three weeks to paint our houses, they couldn’t legally work elsewhere after that.


  27. by Donna on October 8, 2023 10:00 am

    So no one in Ashland, not even in your local government can do anything for those immigrants? Sounds to me like you're passing the buck.

    I have a hard time imagining a city like Ashland Oregon, which is about 98% White middle and middle-upper class accommodating a large influx of immigrants. If Ashland coukd fi d them work, where would they live? How are you all set up for affordable housing in Ashland?


  28. by Curt_Anderson on October 8, 2023 10:41 am
    Donna,
    Read my post #2 above. Two Republican governors are pleading to be allowed to hire immigrants. It's not a state-level roadblock. It's certainly not local governments that forbid immigrants from working legally. It's federal law that needs changing.

    Look that latest from our Ashland.news. There are reports on that page on affordable housing projects and the latest homeless shelter. The OHRA link is about a transitional housing project---it's a converted motel---that opened here in Ashland last year.

    The city of Ashland has an affordable housing program. Link below.

    I disagree that increased legal immigration would drive people away from the Democratic Party. High food prices are not popular. "America’s agricultural and food industry labor shortages have had a number of negative impacts – increasing food waste at the farm level, exacerbating economic losses for farmers and ranchers, and triggering food inflation to record-high levels."
    ashland.news
    ohrahelps.org
    ashland.or.us
    immigrationforum.org


  29. by Donna on October 9, 2023 8:14 am

    So if not Biden, who are you holding responsible for not resolving those problems with immigration-related laws?

    As the influx of immigrants increases, Americans predictably calling for more border security. This is going be an increasingly important issue for democrats worldwide.

    From Pew:

    There has been a 5 percentage point increase in the share of the public who say increasing security along the U.S.-Mexico border to reduce illegal crossings should be an important goal (73% today vs. 68% three years ago). This increase is largely driven by a 10-point increase in the share of Democrats who say this (59% today vs. 49% then).



  30. by Donna on October 9, 2023 8:17 am

    No doubt that shift among Democrats prompted Biden to resurrect Trump's border wall project that Trump himself abandoned.


  31. by Ponderer on October 9, 2023 8:32 am

    Yeah but Trump only abandoned it because Mexico wouldn't pay for it. And there was no more money that he could steal from the veterans' welfare budget.


  32. by Donna on October 9, 2023 8:43 am

    True that. But it looks like Biden's going to go through with it anyhow.


  33. by HatetheSwamp on October 9, 2023 9:19 am

    No doubt that shift among Democrats prompted Biden to resurrect Trump's border wall project that Trump himself abandoned.

    Oy. Talk about brainlessly passing on electric limousine lovin SwampDem progessive propaganda!

    You are the quintessential low-information voter.

    Apparently, you've fallen behind in watching them there Trump rallies.


    thehill.com


  34. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 11:29 am
    "So if not Biden, who are you holding responsible for not resolving those problems with immigration-related laws?" --Donna

    Congress. They wrote the current immigration laws and they can re-write them. Biden can only sign or veto the laws. To a limited degree he can make temporary changes with executive orders.

    "No doubt that shift among Democrats prompted Biden to resurrect Trump's border wall project that Trump himself abandoned." --Donna

    When asked about it last week, Biden said border walls don't work. Here is the official answer to why Biden is building a twenty mile wall.

    Alejandro N. Mayorkas, the Homeland Security secretary, says Mr. Biden is building up to 20 miles of border wall because he has to.

    The administration said that it was bound to build this section of new wall because Congress already appropriated the funding to do so in 2019. It had been unsuccessful in convincing Congress to rescind the funding, Mr. Mayorkas said.

    “From Day 1, this administration has made clear that a border wall is not the answer,” Mr. Mayorkas said on Thursday in Mexico City, after a member of the Mexican news media asked about the apparent reversal. “That remains our position, and our position has never wavered.”


    I don't find that answer sufficient. It might seem Biden could simply not authorize construction. I suspect--and this is just a guess--that not completing that project stops the funding for other congressionally approved projects and initiatives.
    nytimes.com


  35. by Donna on October 9, 2023 2:07 pm

    Looks to me like Biden is trying to have it both ways regarding the wall.

    Any ideas why Trump didn't finish the project?


  36. by HatetheSwamp on October 9, 2023 2:53 pm

    To be fair to Trump, he faced legal challenges and difficulty in getting congressional cooperation...the GOPs govern poorly.

    But, we know d@ng well, that Trump talks big but does little.

    It strikes me that Trump and The ONE have oodles in common. Except for thugging OCare through Congress, thanks to huuuuuuuuuge majorities in both Houses Obama accomplished almost nuthin but he could give one heck of a fancy speech.

    Both talked big but did little.


  37. by Donna on October 9, 2023 3:06 pm

    There was no "thugging" the ACA through Congress you imbecile. Congress voted and it won.


  38. by Curt_Anderson on October 9, 2023 8:47 pm
    Back to the headline topic:

    Geraldo Rivera Gives CNN An Unfiltered Response To Trump's Latest 'Vile' Comment
    “To sink to that level, it’s for me a personal embarrassment that we were friends for so long,” he continued. “This language is racist, it is really disgusting, and, you know, some things cannot abide. We cannot abide certain things and he has crossed the line. I beseech his followers to listen to what he said about poison blood.”

    “I hate to use Nazi or Hitler references, but it is impossible to miss the obvious parallels,” he said. “Poison blood, it was a direct reference. He made a direct reference that the migrants, the immigrants, mostly Latinos now, may I say, are poisoning, polluting the blood of real Americans. It is intolerable. I mean it’s absolutely beyond the pale.”

    Rivera also slammed a Trump spokesperson’s claim that the phrase is “used in everyday life” as “absolute bulls**t.”
    news.yahoo.com


  39. by Indy! on October 10, 2023 9:48 am

    Geraldo can't clean up his own mess at this stage of the game.


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