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Georgia election workers who sued Rudy Giuliani awarded default judgment in defamation case
By Curt_Anderson
August 30, 2023 8:33 am
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Two election workers in Georgia who sued Rudy Giuliani over baseless claims that fuelled threats of violence against them have been awarded a default judgment following the long-running defamation case against him.

Donald Trump’s former attorney, who has also been criminally charged in connection with the former president’s attempts to upend the 2020 presidential election, is liable for defamation claims from Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, as well claims of intentional infliction of emotional distress, civil conspiracy, and punitive damages.


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Comments on "Georgia election workers who sued Rudy Giuliani awarded default judgment in defamation case":

  1. by HatetheSwamp on August 30, 2023 9:05 am

    Just a note of perspective. What we have here is an ambulance chaser getting two election workers to take a shot at inducing Rudy's insurance carrier to throw them...and their lawyer...a few nuisance bucks. This is America!


  2. by Curt_Anderson on August 30, 2023 9:41 am
    Plus, it was an egregious case of defamation, and a terrible abuse of power. By the way, if you read the article, you’ll see this does not bode well for Donald Trump.


  3. by HatetheSwamp on August 30, 2023 9:46 am

    I didn't read it. Won't.

    Based on past performance, I'll stick with the analysis provided by pb's Legal Advisory Council...AKA his Three Legal Goobers.


  4. by Donna on August 31, 2023 7:47 am

    The lies that Giuliani and Trump disseminated about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss upended their lives to the point that their lives were being threatened, which forced those two women to go into hiding.

    That isn't hearsay. It happened regardless of what TV lawyers are saying about it.

    I think that a just punishment would be to hang both of those poor excuses for human beings by their balls from meathooks and allow Ruby and Shaye to beat the living crap out of them with baseball bats.


  5. by Ponderer on August 31, 2023 7:56 am

    "[I don't need to read anything that might make me alter my adamantly cemented perceptions. I am perfectly content to hold whatever opinion that I want to regardless of any and all evidence supporting the wrongness of my willfully pig-ignorant delusions.]" -Hate

    Well, you're consistent if nothing else, Bill.


  6. by HatetheSwamp on August 31, 2023 8:02 am

    Donna,

    Trump is despicable.


  7. by HatetheSwamp on August 31, 2023 8:14 am

    po,

    I already have your incisive legal analysis. We've agreed that you circles around even Alan Dershowitz, my #1 Goober. What more could I want or need!!!!!?


  8. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2023 10:12 am
    The legal analysis that matters is the judge in this case. The judge ruled that Rudy Giuliani is liable for defamation.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ms. Moss and Ms. Freeman's lawyers sue the other MAGA slanderers and libelers including Trump himself. See link. It was a conspiracy led by Donald Trump to ruin the lives of these two unassuming and honest election workers.

    reuters.com


  9. by oldedude on August 31, 2023 10:22 am
    A "default judgement" is a legal ruling in favor of a plaintiff when the defendant fails to respond or appear in court.

    There was no trial, witnesses or anything else.


  10. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2023 10:29 am
    OD,
    Welcome to the US justice system! Rudy will get his day in court. Actually a lot of days and a lot of courts.

    Prima facie: In both civil and criminal law, the term is used to denote that, upon initial examination, a legal claim has sufficient evidence to proceed to trial or judgment. Some things are obvious!


  11. by oldedude on August 31, 2023 1:12 pm
    Perhaps, but the judge didn't care about that and it's nowhere stated in the order. The fact he didn't show was THE ONLY reason the judge made the order against Rudy and his businesses.

    There was no one to argue the defendant's case. Ergo, the entirety of the evidence brought against Rudy's businesses went unchallenged. Period.

    So you might want to study up on your JD a tad more. And my thought is to also read your own citations.


  12. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2023 3:08 pm
    "The fact he didn't show was THE ONLY reason the judge made the order against Rudy and his businesses." --OD

    Whose fault was that? Don't do the crime if you can't show up on time!


  13. by oldedude on August 31, 2023 8:34 pm
    "The fact he didn't show was THE ONLY reason the judge made the order against Rudy and his businesses." --OD

    Whose fault was that? Don't do the crime if you can't show up on time!


    You keep proving yourself the most incredibly naive person I've ever met. And the most legally and politically challenged.

    Had you read your own citations, you would have found out a couple of things.
    1. No one showing up was their acceptance. If they don't show up for a second time, they're not going to show several things they don't want to show about the company. They'll pay the money and be done with the issue and not have evidence compelled. Dirty trick? Of course. Legal? Well kinda, and someone will get another chickenshit fine, and they're done.

    2. As referenced above. There are several issues with the court they do not want to show. They're not going to. The way to do that is to no-show to court.

    3. You really think those two women aren't paid by the DNC? That they're doing this on their own? Are you really that stupid? If they (meaning the DNC/ pedojoe regime) can find out things about trumpster from this company, don't you think that's worth it?

    These two and the dnc/pedojoe regime got beat at their own game.
    I will say that it's BS and cheating the system, but that's what they did. And a lawsuit is a civil case. Ergo, no warrant will stand outside of the state. Period. End of Story.

    Next time you want to lecture me on law, you need to start with FACTS. Not your TDS and your "feelings." You're going to get beat every time.
    curt- Welcome to the US justice system!


  14. by Curt_Anderson on August 31, 2023 9:38 pm
    OD,
    Funny, I don't feel beat. I also doubt that the DNC or Biden feels like they've been "beat at their own game".

    Of course, I didn't think Moss and Freeman were footing their legal bills on their own. Maybe it was the DNC, or some Democratic aligned group that paid for it, and whoever it was, I am glad they did. Those two ladies deserve justice whether they can afford it personally or not. Yes, there's a good chance that through their lawsuit that Trump's prosecutors will gain insights to use in subsequent trials. US court proceedings are generally public record.

    July 26 (Reuters) - Rudy Giuliani, onetime attorney for former U.S. President Donald Trump, admitted in a court filing late Tuesday that he made defamatory statements about a pair of Georgia election workers.

    Giuliani told a federal court in Washington that he does not dispute that comments he made about Wandrea "Shaye" Moss and Ruby Freeman "carry meaning that is defamatory per se."


    Giuliani's defamation was over-the-top false and nasty. He will be paying dearly for that. Of course the best defense against a charge of defamation is to prove the defaming remarks were true. We are both are smart enough to know that Rudy cannot, because they were falsehoods. Rudy will go down for this, for defaming Smartmatic, for defaming Dominion, for election fraud in one maybe two courts.
    reuters.com


  15. by Ponderer on September 1, 2023 6:46 am

    What Giuliani did to those poor innocent women was a display of MAGA Republicanism at it's most heinous and loathsome.

    There needs to be sever punitive damages assessed against him. MAGA Republicans need to learn that they can't just go around wantonly slandering and ruining the lives of innocent people like that just to support their flaming lies.



  16. by oldedude on September 1, 2023 7:06 am
    Regardless of your all "feelings" about this, they're going to pay the asking amount. And everyone will be on their merry way. Done.

    I doubt if Rudy is "going down." Isn't that what you've been telling us for the past 6+ years with trumpster? And yet you can't seem to ever, ever get that right also. I think it's nothing more than a figment of your imagination. You "wish" it true, therefore it is. But only in the minds of those who have nothing better to do with their lives. I pity you.


  17. by Curt_Anderson on September 1, 2023 8:56 am
    I doubt if Rudy is "going down."

    Aren’t you the cock-eyed optimist! Even if he wins all of the five or so trials he faces, he is going broke with legal bills and his reputation is in tatters.


  18. by Ponderer on September 1, 2023 10:24 am

    And Dominion hasn't even gotten to claim damages in court against him yet. They better hurry before he completely runs out of other people's money.


  19. by oldedude on September 1, 2023 12:23 pm
    Aren’t you the cock-eyed optimist! Even if he wins all of the five or so trials he faces, he is going broke with legal bills and his reputation is in tatters.

    That's exactly the bullshit the left is doing. And again, you're cheering them on! Again, they did it with lawsuits to palin, you've been doing this to trumpster for six years, you've purposefully ruined people's lives (I know, I know, they're just human beings, so fuckem. leave their panties on the tree).


  20. by Curt_Anderson on September 1, 2023 12:59 pm
    “That's exactly the bullshit the left is doing. And again, you're cheering them on! Again, they did it with lawsuits to palin…”. —OD

    You keep mentioning the lawsuits that the left attacked Sarah Palin with. I have no recollection of that. I can’t find evidence of it. What lawsuits are you talking about?



  21. by Ponderer on September 1, 2023 5:48 pm

    Only lawsuits I could find involving Pain were about her suing the NYTimes for libel and losing.


  22. by oldedude on September 1, 2023 6:19 pm
    On July 3, 2009, Palin announced that she would not run for reelection in the 2010 Alaska gubernatorial election and would resign before the end of the month. Palin stated that since August 2008, both she and the state had been spending an "insane" amount of time and money ($2.5 million) responding to "opposition research", 150 FOIA requests and 15 "frivolous" legal ethics complaints filed by "political operatives" against her. She said her resignation was also influenced by her desire not to be a lame duck.

    Lieutenant Governor Sean Parnell said that Palin's decision to resign was driven by the high cost of legal fees against ethics investigations; Palin and her husband Todd personally incurred more than $500,000 in legal expenses. Parnell became governor on July 26, 2009, in an inaugural ceremony in Fairbanks, upon Palin's resignation taking effect.

    In December 2010, new rules governing Alaska executive branch ethics, stemming from Palin's tenure as governor, took effect. "These include allowing for the state to pay legal costs for officials cleared of ethics violations; (and) allowing for a family member of the governor or lieutenant governor to travel at state cost in certain circumstances ..."



    Palin criticized recent political attacks, including one from former campaign aides of Arizona Sen. John McCain, who was the top of the GOP ticket.

    “You are naive if you don’t see a full-court press from the national level picking away a good point guard,” she said, referring to criticism of her campaigning style. The most recent attack was in a magazine article in Vanity Fair magazine.




    latimes.com


  23. by oldedude on September 1, 2023 6:23 pm
    Citations for above.

    - "Legal Bills Swayed Palin, Official Says". The New York Times. July 5, 2009.
    Carlton, Jim
    - "Palin Confidante Says Governor Felt Hampered by Probes". The Wall Street Journal.
    - "Palin's Reasons for Stepping Down" (Transcript and Video). The Washington Post. July 3, 2009.
    - Video of Alaska Governor Transfer of Power Ceremony (Outgoing Governor Sarah Palin "farewell speech" at 6:00min). C-SPAN. July 26, 2009.


  24. by Ponderer on September 1, 2023 6:32 pm

    Everything that happened to Sarah Palin was her own fault. One way or the other.

    At least her getting into trouble led to some new regulations and rules being put into place so that whatever she did to attract ethics violations (Is an ethics complaint the same thing as a lawsuit...?) won't get the next Republican with the same lax ethics as her won't get in trouble.

    You should see all that as a good thing, olde dude.



  25. by oldedude on September 2, 2023 5:15 am
    At least her getting into trouble led to some new regulations and rules being put into place so that whatever she did to attract ethics violations (Is an ethics complaint the same thing as a lawsuit...?) won't get the next Republican with the same lax ethics as her won't get in trouble.

    I know that when you read things it's through your TDS lenses, like the rest of the limousine liberals here.

    What AK did, was to help protect politicians AGAINST bullshit lawsuits and help the politicians by allowing state funds to help defend them. The bipartisan congress of AK thought she was wronged that bad they wanted to insure it didn't happen again. Please correct your cranial/rectal inversion.


  26. by Ponderer on September 2, 2023 7:53 am

    As I said, you should be pleased about the results of her being so lax with ethics.


  27. by oldedude on September 2, 2023 8:41 am
    Completely a lie. Thusly, both houses of their congress across party lines built this in so bullshit lawsuits don't happen without protections.

    Are you really THAT naive, that you think lawsuits have to have merit to file? It was interesting, ALL the lawsuits got dropped within hours of her announcing she was going to step down. In the later investigations about the lawsuits, NONE of them had merit. ZERO. That's what brought around the new law to protect the governor and LT governor.

    The difference between her and rudy, is that rudy chose not to fight them and is willing to pay the assigned penalty in order to avoid the court and the evidence the court was asking for. Palin chose to fight them and prove them bullshit. She stepped down because she was spending so much time on them, she couldn't take care of her duties as governor. So you just might want to try to recreate history in your own "thoughts." It isn't working well for you.


  28. by Curt_Anderson on September 2, 2023 10:12 am
    Palin to refund most of defense fund money
    An investigator has determined former Gov. Sarah Palin's legal defense fund broke state ethics law and said Palin has agreed to settle the matter by having the trust return more than $386,000 to donors.




    I still think Rudy is going down. His obituary is getting a rewrite. The headline won't be about "America's Mayor". It will be about a disgraced Trump-aligned election fraudster.


    adn.com


  29. by oldedude on September 2, 2023 12:32 pm
    Curt- you're talking about a campaign violation. not a big deal. The bullshit lawsuits still stand as just that. bullshit.



  30. by Indy! on September 2, 2023 6:50 pm

    What never gets reported about Guliani is he's the one who pushed thru the deal on the communications system that prevented the police and firemen from talking to each other as 9/11 was happening. His security firm got a sweetheart deal from (I believe) Nokia which meant the two systems - the police and fire - were incapable of talking to each other. That led to the deaths of a lot people who didn't need to die that day... the heroes who were trying to save people stuck in the buildings.

    It's good to see that his failure as a human being is finally catching up with him.


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